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Sorry I misread. It is a Stone, not Fannin.
Wow. That is Chadwick territory. What a ram.
That is a hell of a ram....
Extreme lmpressive do doubt about that one!!!
What makes it a Fannin sheep and not a Dall? The part of the world that it resides?
What a Ram!
Good luck, Robb
Huntcell, lots of conjecture on what makes a Fannin. Traditionally a true Fannin is found in the northern Yukon (Blackstone/Renoylds/Koser (Tombstone)) concessions. These areas are 300 miles north of the normal Stone's range and are separated buy a couple gigantic rivers sheep would not normally cross.
Yukon Stone concession is South and in traditional Stone territory.
I wonder if he has been hunting that same ram on all 3 trips?
Beautiful ram, congrats to Allen!
Huntcell, for record-keeping purposes, if there's any gray color on the body of a white sheep it is considered a Fannin, and can be entered into P&Y under the Stone's Sheep category.
Man, it's been a helluva year for archery sheep hunters!! Way to go Allen!
WOW!! The sheep of many lifetimes! Congrats Allen!
Congratulations to Allen !!! that is one awesome ram!
Congratulations! At 14 yrs old that was close to the end of his life. Quite a trophy. That is awesome.
So which is it a Fannin/Dall or a Stone? Fannins are color variations of Dalls and the record keeping organizations really have screwed this one up. Attached is a Fannin colored Dall in Alaska that I took 150 miles form the Yukon border. BTW, 176" is far more impressive as a Dall than as a Stone and wouldn't that actually make it a WR (not sure I don't keep track)?
Here's the wide view photo with about 15+ other typically white Dalls and the gray Dall (Fannin).
WOW, what a ram!!! Congrats to the lucky hunter.
Pope and Young says any thin horned sheep that show any black hairs on the body, unless they appear only on the tail, is a Stone's Sheep. If only the tail has black hairs, it's classified as a Dall's Sheep. Therefore, a Fannin is a Stone Sheep in the eyes of the record books.
What a TOAD!!!!! Congrats to him!
See, lots of conjecture on what a Fannin is...I have one from the Jack O'Connor style traditional area (and taken with a rifle) so I'm happy with my theory ;-)
I happen to think a California Bighorn is separate from a Rocky, and if I come into a HUGE sum of money I will get a Mexicali and a Nelsoni Desert Bighorn for the seven subspecies ***I*** count.
That is just as awesome of a ram as a Stone or Dall. Thanks for the additional pics.
His horns look to be in amazing condition for an old ram...what an incredible bowkill !
"Steve H.- Pope and Young says any thin horned sheep that show any black hairs on the body, unless they appear only on the tail, is a Stone's Sheep. If only the tail has black hairs, it's classified as a Dall's Sheep. Therefore, a Fannin is a Stone Sheep in the eyes of the record books."
I understand that but they are wrong and propagating something that has been demonstrated to be incorrect. DNA studies have demonstrated around a decade ago that Fannins are a color variety of Dalls and are not Stones. The implications of the recording groups fixing their errors is they would have to tell a LOT of hunters that the "Grand Slam" that they think they have, isn't. Would be a lead balloon to a few of them, lol.
"Fannins are a color variety of Dalls and are not Stones"
Aren't Stones a color variety of Dalls, genetically speaking?
Wow what a beautiful ram!! Congrats to him!!
""Fannins are a color variety of Dalls and are not Stones" Aren't Stones a color variety of Dalls, genetically speaking?" Both are the same species Ovis Dalli, They Dalls vs Stones genetically (mDNA) form their own population clusters unlike Fannins vs Dalls that can and are in the same populations.
I don't care if it's called a Dall's, Stone's or Fannin, that's a hell of a sheep!
Gorgeous ram, outstanding dedication to a higher standard.
I'm with Scott - who cares what its called - its an incredible ram!
Dream come true right there. Someday I'll save up the 40k and get a Dall myself
Just got a link to the story of the #2 B&C Dall...the good old days. Hope Allen shares his story publicly some day.
Truly awesome ram, congrats.
Steve H, if Fannins are a color variety of Dall's, why has there been Fannin colored sheep shot in the heart of Stone Sheep country in B.C.?
Beautiful sheep congrats to the Hunter. Man is that nice.
Tremendous ram. Congrats to Allen.
A huge ram and a huge congrats Allen!!!!
Allen hunted the same area I did, just a few days earlier. Same guide even. I had a shot at a really nice ram and if it weren't for my scope getting knocked out of alignment somehow, I'd be taking him to the taxidermist in the morning.
That, My Man, is an absolute Monster Ram! Congratulations!!!
It took them 9 1/2 hours to hike from the trail to where they set up a camp. It took them 12 1/2 hours to pack it out!
This has got to be the nastiest country ever! It's massively overgrown with small willows and other brush. Getting through it on a horse is tough enough. Doing it on foot is nearing the impossible. Allen deserves all the credit you can give him.
About 85% of the sheep we saw would be called Fannins. Only 15% would be called Stones.
Incredible ram! Heard about it in the NWT a few days ago! This is not quite the Chadwick at >50" but maybe the longest archery ram ever? Congratulations to Allen!