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So I was relaxing Sunday mid afternoon in the shade next to a drainage and I hear an odd sound. Odd because I am 2.5 miles back into a roadless area closed to motor vehicles.....yet I hear a motor vehicle. I jump up in time to see a self absorbed jack wad on his 4 wheeler coming down the drainage then turning up an old homesteader road to access another drainage. I take off after him.
Now I am hot, tired, and not in the mood. I chase after the POS and finally he turns back and I intercept him. He has a bow on the front rack and a rifle box or whatever you call them on the side. He is friendly enough. I inform him that I would not want to see him get in trouble as this is a roadless area closed to motor vehicles and that the old roads he used were gated and signed.
His response......."really.....interesting" and off he rode. Now the way he came he had to cross multiple private property parcels. So he is breaking FS rules plus likely trespassing on private property.
What a fork wad waste of human life. I later saw where his tracks went into areas with no road beds at all....up into the forest.....through prime elk habitat.....even past where I shot and missed a 6x6 that morning.
I don't get it. How do folks justify this kind of crappy behavior. I want to slash his tires but I'm not that kind of person.
Don't you know, there are certain people that the rules don't apply to.
"How do folks justify this kind of crappy behavior. I want to slash his tires but I'm not that kind of person."
It is called "me first" and screw everyone else.
Pull out your phone and take a picture of douche on 4 wheeler with license plate. Make sure you have location services turned on for photos.
Lat/Long are embedded in image.
Yep, what Z said. Then turn his sorry a$$ in! Only way any of these idiots learn, and plenty of them still don't learn...
hit them where it hurts... their wallet.
I took some pictures of a pickup in my home state of MT (pickup was a non-resident) after I watched them pull a road closure sign out of ground and tossed it aside only to drive right past me! I had already hiked a half mile down the closed road, and promptly informed them of their violation only to watch them go right on in front of me and hunt the closure area I was headed to.
I turned photos with plate #s into forest officer with all my contact info. About 3 months later I got a call from same officer stating that they were ticked on several infractions and that judge imposed largest penalties he legally could!
Not sure if will stop the lazy bums from repeating, but at least it caused them to feel a little pain for being idiots!
Did you get a plate number, vehicle description, snap a photo, etc? I'm assuming you've already notified the local warden so they can keep an eye out, right?
You have to help protect the area! I had to miss almost 3/4 of a day hunting a few years ago when I had to report a cow (moo cow) and a cow moose both had been shot by a rifle. The cattle had guts coming out its side and the moose could barely put weight on her front leg. My son and I had heard the shots and had a vehicle description. We couldn't see the occupants though driving away.
He'll keep doing it until he decides it's not worth the fine - he must be turned it!
Zbarebow x2 and what others have said.
What a sorry sack of chit. He probably didn't have a registration sticker either.
You're a better man than me. I don't handle situations like that well. Hopefully karma gets him
I was ready to take a pic with my phone but he had no tags....not even the required OHV permit for being able to use FS roads legally that are actually open. I really expected an altercation and remembered my 10mm was back with my gear 1/2 mile away. He knew there was nothing good to come and he bailed. If I see the forkstick again.......not sure but I may not be so kind this time. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for being a dumbass once.....but not twice. I will get pics......I am just curious how he managed to get past all the private property.....or if he trespassed......or if he is one of the land owners and privileged to this spot in his walnut sized mind.
I was at the trailhead at a road closed to motorized per National Forest travel management plan for the area in NM. ATV pulls up with a gal on it, decked in camo with bow. I say "just heads up this is closed to motor vehicles per NF travel management plan" She says thanks, drives right over the berm as if I'm an idiot. No plates on the rig, nothing I could do. Pi$$es me off that I'm riding my mountain bike down the trail to try and get away from lazy dumba$$es like that.
I later call NF station and tell them lots of illegal offroad activity at particular coordinates. "Yep, we have lots of problems everywhere" was the answer. Didn't even want to take down information. With no repurcussion what's the deterrant?
10mm holes in a gas tank might be a deterrent.....if I was that sort of person. Sometimes I regret that I am not.........
You can pick up your spark plug cable from Ranger Smith at the local Forest Service office where I left it along with GPS coordinates of where I found it.
Makes us that use a ATV legally look bad.
I like the spark plug idea, heck take a tire :)
I'm thinking hotwire and let that mothertrucker drive itself off a cliff...........
I have a 70 something year old friend that doesn't take any crap. About 10 years ago USO was blocking a forest service road in the Gila with their pickup, my friend pulled his valve core wrench out of his pack and cracked two valves open. They only had one spare. I said "you carry a valve wrench", he said " yep, for jack wagons like that". It's best to play by the rules, you never know who you are going to piss off.
I was thinking the same thing about him being a landowner in the near. Taking his plug wire is a great idea, if he actually gets off and hikes.
Whatever you do to his ride, don't tell anyone about it :)
OK.......steam vented......refocus and go get yourself a bull and let the knothead be.
I know a guy that took a leak in the fuel tank of a powestroke that was parked about 4 miles past where the road ended one time not sure it had the desired effect because it was gone when we came back out but we got a good laugh out of it.
And taking the plug wire is vandalism, too. You can't destroy somebody's property because they're breaking the law,...especially not and turn that piece of property over to law enforcement.
Yeah......that is the wall I hit....I'm not a vandal. Even if a mothertrucker deserves it. Pics, gps, and report will be my mode of operation.
Roadless in unit 20? You in Indian Peaks?
If your hiking up Lions Gulch into Homestead, thats not roadless. Several property owners have easement access on that road. In fact after the floods of 2013 the FS rebuilt into a darn superhighway, it is better than a county improved road. An outfitter uses that road, and so do several landowners. George Detloff and Kearney both have keys to the gate. Also heard every cop in Estes has keys too. Not sure where your at, but be careful about flying off the handle when you might not be completely accurate. Real property easements can date back to the homestead act and often apply to successors.
No need to vandalize if you have a lock and chain , then a phone call to the Law.
There are roads, old roads, they are closed and have been prior to 2013. Not lions gulch. If he had rights, he could have said so...instead he said....really....interesting.....and road off. I called the district office and confirmed where I was is NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES......period. So I'll fly off the handle all I want.
Should of snapped a pic and told him you were sending it to F&G, he probably would have hauled ass out of thier.
I have found taking a picture makes them really uncomfortable. Plus makes them think twice about coming back.
Ok, hope you talked to someone at the FS who knows what they are talking about. If it was a temp at the front desk that looked at a map I wouldn't be overly confident. If you talked to a real estate specialist for Roosevelt forest who referenced a historical file, I'd have more peace of mind.
If there is private property in the area, odds are someone has more access rights than the public at large. Good Luck, if you see a giant bull moose, I have a tag and season starts Sept 9th. Appreciate any intelligence you can offer.
aw soooo.....grasshopper.....I have seen a smaller bull winkle but will gladly share information if I see a shooter worth your while.. It would be a great pleasure to help you fill that tag!!!!
Jordan, water under the bridge, crap happens & sometimes it sucks, move forward! Focus your energies on your hunt, it will all come out in the wash! Good luck, hunt hard, hunt smart!
p.s. get away from those roads! (grin)
Should of snapped a pic and told him you were sending it to F&G, he probably would have hauled ass out of thier.
Here's the way I would deal with it. Some will like it and, others won't. I'm ok with that too.
Rules are rules and I'm not one to break them. But, I'm not one to allow someone else to break them and ruin my experience. Carry a couple pounds of roofing nails in there and spike the access road he was using. Do it good and do it right and, you will never see him again. Or, anyone else breaking the rules the way they were. Cover his access for a long ways with them. Then enjoy knowing his smart butt is going to suffer and people following the rules will have a great experience. Quit be so passive about things you can fix. Take the bull by the horns and fix them.
Just take his pic with a cell phone
For you guys recommending vandalism, why stop at that? Maybe Jordan should just set up shop on the nearest high point with a sniper rifle?
There are always rulebreakers. Call forest service and just hunt.
A lot if these posts sound like the same guys who chase grizzly bears off elk kills.
Just call Forrest service and let them take care of him. Problem with damaging or disabling his quad is when you return to your truck it might be trashed too. Taking his picture or confronting him you may find out he has his own 10mm. No animal or hunt is worth getting killed over.
I had a similar situation in WY. A guy killed an elk 3 miles back in a non motorized area. They came back with a 4 wheeler to butcher and haul it out. I then heard them chasing elk with it and watched one of them shoot at an elk after he hopped off the wheeler. They saw me walking up and actually ditched their bows and told me that they were going up to butcher the bull. I played dumb and waited until they got out of view and found their bows and wrote all the info down and took pictures. Also got all the information off their ATV. I called the game warden and FS and told them. They asked if I was willing to come back and testify and I said yes. Even though I live hundreds of miles away. I did not have to testify the guys admitted to it and were fined. They have not been back in that area hunting since.
It's been many years ago, but a 4-wheeler was on private property and the keys were left in the ignition. I spotted the guy sneaking around with a gun. I simply took the keys out of the ignition for him and locked them up in his tool box for him. Then I sat back and watched. Still Laughing!!!!!!!!!!!
Roofing nails or any similar booby trap will also disable vehicles that are legit, like FS, law enforcement, ambulance, etc...
I work for a large public agency. Posted signs always mean everybody BUT ME! I'm pretty sure that is taught the first day in Ahole 101! I always tell people to get a picture, license plate, registration number on a boat, etc. with those I can deal with the situation. Without it it is all considered heresay! Unfortunately most of the calls I get from upset people start off with what the person did and then a really sketchy account of what the person looked like, etc. I can't do much with that and for sure the person is already gone. With good Intel it is a different story! I love those kinds of reports. Good luck, Lee
LINK, in a pinch a section of matchstick or a twig under the valve stem cap can substitutute for the valve stem wrench
Years ago, we had a jackwad, in far part of NW Wis, come in on private land, and closed FS land, with their 4 wheelers and radios..... Went to Fed LE, but she did nothing, so we simply found their trailer, and left a note, asking to stay out of the area that is closed.....
Their mistake was they continued to do so, and some loggers, owned the private land, and were there to relax, and did like this at all.....
I heard one day, they came back to their trailer, and it was cut in half, guess someone sent them a message,,,,,,,,,
I know this, because I hike in 1 mile to the logging camp, to ask permission to cut thru the property, to access a stand site. I was given permission, and heard about this thru the campfire talk
I can not believe their are so many jackwads, involved in hunting, and such too bad
Move on and enjoy your hunt. If you see him again, snap a pic, otherwise get back to the reason you are there, don't dwell on the negative.
I agree it sucks but those talking about vandalism your no better than he is. Turn him in that's all. I know I have permission from FS to use atv for certain work if a hunter happens by it while I'm off and I caught them vandalizing it they are in the wrong I'm there legally so just know all the facts. I agree I hate illegal use as much as anyone and in the op situation it sounds like it is the case
About 5 years ago in CO unit 55 my buddy and I had just lost a herd of elk we could not keep up with. In the distance I could hear the drone of an ATV, and sure enough, he's headed our way.
My buddy was new to hunting and was surprised to see me running toward a point where I might intercept him, yelling like a lunatic. To both our surprise, the guy actually stopped (I wouldn't have). I cursed and threw my hat on the ground and proceeded to talk to him like a he was 5 years old, showing him on the map where the motorized trails were located (more than 2 miles from our location) and where the non-motorized trails were. "See? Non-motorized, that means on foot, that's what we are doing. Now point that thing back down the mountain and don't come back with it!"
He says, "I've been coming up here for years like this." I said, "And breaking the law every time!"
My buddy doesn't elk hunt anymore, but loves to tell that story to anybody who will listen. Throwing the hat down left quite an impression on him.
I don't like the roofing nails idea since I often use horses now, wouldn't want them to pick one up, not to mention the wild critters.
Can't imagine hauling a bunch of nails or lock and chain up the mountain. Guess i'd just have to empty my bladder. :)
To be clear, I admit to bad impulses but I would never use this situation as an excuse to do the wrong thing myself. I'm just not wired that way. My moral code does not allow it. But it really pisses me off that others seem to have no morals and their code is ME FIRST. I trust in karma to serve them what they deserve. I will not hesitate to get the proof to report to authorities if the opportunity arises. I've done it before and been shunned by other hunters for it. I didn't give a flip what they thought. In this case he simply didn't give me time, which tells a lot about his thought process. In the end, I have my goals in place, I can sleep well at night, and I hope he doesn't.
"I will give him the benefit of the doubt for being a dumbass once.....but not twice."
Come on, you know he's probably been a dumbass his whole life already...
For the people that talk about disabling their vehicles. By some chance if the guy happened to get injured while out there or had some serious health issues to come about and wasn't able to get off the mountain due to you disabling his vehicle, you may have to live the consequences to that outcome. Not to mention that you would be legally held accountable if someone died because he couldn't get back.
I agree that what these guys are doing is wrong but like the old saying goes two wrongs don't make a right.
You beat me to it- Velvet Muley. My momma always told me that! (2 wrongs don't make a right ;-)
Jordan put it behind you and just get after it...it's happened to me too. I just laugh to myself at the FACT that the atv dude won't kill anything or even have the experience you're getting by going on foot. Keep pressing and don't let it get under your skin brother
It happens. Unfortunately, you can't do much about it. Just keep plugging away and you will do well. Who knows, that jackass might send a bunch of elk your way or get their attention pulled away so you can kill a nice bull. Might even help you pack it out if you work it right:)
Sometimes it hard to remember that many people take hunting way differently than most folks on here do.
If I use the foot wedge or an extra Mulligan while golfing to keep from holding folks up, I never give it a second thought. Other guys could be put off seeing that because golf is important to them.
I try and be careful not to judge people by their worst moments. I've had some of my own.
Fuzzy I've heard of Rocks. I guess the thought with scalbe wrench was that if they had something to air them up they are still up a creek. Deflating tires or unhooking a battery, spark plug is not vandalism. Nothing is broke or stollen just rendered temporarily ineffective. Nothing wrong with helping karma along :).
Question......if I have a valid tag and use it to kill and elk then use my ATV to illegally access the closed area to retrieve my elk....is that a game violation as well as a FS rules violation? How would it be different then using any other illegal method to take game such as lighted pins, etc.? I would think the potential penalty would include loss of the animal, your atv, your bow, your license, etc. Yes or No? Anyone really know?
So what did he do wrong. He may be a land owner and be a friend of every land owner around. You can make a guess . What are the facts .
So, what is the right thing? Letting him continue to do this and ruin everyone's experience? I'm confused by comments that say let someone else worry about it. It isn't as if they don't have enough to worry about as is. Why the heck not just throw on another situation of them having to chase their tail around. Without First hand witness by the LEO, I've seen these sceneries not even go to court.
Why didn't you just tell him he didn't belong and, that you were going to report him. It may have led to some exchange but, you wouldn't be on bowsite complaining about it if you had confronted him.
Now, to people like Pete and a few others that seem to imply any person holding Someone accountable is bravo talk only proves you've never confronted anyone. Had Jordan told him this, there would be no need for vandalism. But, hey it's easier to complain about it on biwsite after halfway insinuating something versus doing the truly right thing. So, let the mope fest continue. It's entertaining watching it.
what happened on the 6x6?
Any law against letting the air out of all tires including spares? Engines and drive trains fail all the time for no apparent reason. The vehicle in question need not fail that instant to prove a point. Just saying. Any law against locking up or rendering a vehicle parked in an area unusable in a non damaging way that is illegally in said area? Trust me if I were to come across such a vehicle it wouldn't be leaving that area under it's own power. I spend far to many years waiting saving and hoping to get a scant few opportunities to go on a dream hunt to allow some hooray for me and screw you jack wagon to screw it up and get away with it smiling the entire time. You don't have to ruin anything just make getting it out a immense PITA that ruins there hunt not their vehicle. Airless tires, lock out the steering or drive train, remove a good spark plug and wire and replace with a bad ones, etc etc. Truth don't matter only what can be proven.
The consequences amount to the victim bitching on the Internet. Not much of a deterrent.
Darton there probably is a law against tresspass to a vehicle or property damage. You dont get a get out of jail free card just because you are peed off. Happens every day on public land. Its ok to go kick ass but you need to be prepared for possible cosequenses. Lucky you dont hunt first shotgun season in illinois. They shoot off the back of pickup trucks driving through your field and access by driving through your driveway.
Slash his tires and punch a hole in his battery. I almost got in a fist fight a 5 am in the morning when two assholes on four wheelers went through a gate on a closed road. I would not back down and chewed his ass. I ended up knowing the guy when he took his helmet off and he New exactly what he was doing. Turn them in or beat the shit out of them. They are lawless punks
Some thing very similar happened to me. I was parked at a trailhead in the dark, getting my pack ready to go. This guy pulled up on his quad, looked at me standing next to mine, drove around me and went down the foot trail.
I badly wanted to follow him and kick his ass, but I just turned right early when I could still hear him in the distance.
Not worth getting worked up about.
Some of you guys are amazing....
Like I said in an earlier post "A holes everywhere" I have had my encounters with trespassers and thieves and in my younger days I would really get hot about it. I am a little more mellow now. My way of handling jackwads now is to turn them in and let them face a judge. I know of one clown that trespasses on private land that I hunt and I believe he is responsible for the theft of 2 treestands. One day we will catch him redhanded and it will be sweet to see him fined and lose hunting privileges.
I had to edit.
Originally posted by BC:
"Roofing nails or any similar booby trap will also disable vehicles that are legit, like FS, law enforcement, ambulance, etc..."
Call it intuition if you must but, I was under the impression that this guy was riding around, off road in a roadless area. Since Jordan has talked about this area being so hard to get into, I doubt there is a gated road or, anything that resembles it, for the "Legit" personal to ride on, where he saw this guy. When I said access road please understand that in no way would I do that on a road. ATV's don't need roads to get into areas they don't belong.
Hard for old fat guys. There are old road beds in the area. It had homesteaders back in the day from what I can tell. He was on an old road bed when I saw him......I also saw where he road off into completely roadless areas in the woods, etc. By roadless I mean all the old roads are closed......this happened extensively years ago under Clinton's Administration I think......so many areas that were previously open to motor vehicles that had roads were declared closed and now roadless. Sorry if the term was cornfusing......I spend a lot of time cornfused. LOL
Anyway I'm over it and ya'll have fun debating how to handle folks breaking the law in the woods.
"For the people that talk about disabling their vehicles". "Two wrongs don't make a right." Well in this case I think the guy should have thought about that himself. I mean sneaking on to private land to poach. I'm sure he didn't tell someone where he was in case of an emergency. I don't think the right thing to do is to give someone the benefit of the doubt who is obviously poaching. I took the keys out of his ignition and used them to unlock his tool box and then locked the pad lock back. I didn't want anyone stealing his 4-wheeler now? That just wouldn't be right.
Oh boy...this is a HUGE!! pet peeve of mine...First off I hate ATV's, well let me re-phrase that...I don't hate ATV's...I hate people that are to freaking lazy to WALK! .. Disgust me.
now if your old....or handicapped, or have a broken leg ect....Heck ride on in, no problem by me, glad your able to get in there and hunt and enjoy yourself. But if your just to dang lazy and tired to walk? no sympathy here. Ever sit in a Wal mart parking lot waiting on your wife and notice how many people are obviously out of shape? hmmm could it be lack of genuine physical activity?
enough of a rant...excuse me for being blunt. but you know, truth kinda hurts sometimes don't it.
On your own property? nobody has a say, ride around do what you want. but public land closed to vehicles? get off your sorry butt and walk.
Well, if you are concerned about a person stranded in a remote area with a disabled vehicle, calling emergency services/sherriff's office is the only moral thing to do. :)
I would not put nails out - people step on them , horses, elk, animals ....
I wouldn't destroy the guys engine with sand or slash tires, that's a criminal offense on you
I very much like the above idea of letting all the air out of his tires or something like that .... nothing permanently damaged but costs the guy a whole lot of trouble and headache and might get the point across.
carry a steel cable and heavy lock and lock the axle to a tree maybe :)
Naw...I'm over it. I have too much fun to enjoy to waste anymore time worrying about someone else's stupidity and self entitlement over others.
I hunted Idaho in a OHV restricted area opening day and yesterday. Just like clockwork the illegal quad hunters camE in 1/2 hour before daylight on trails they shouldn't. I rode mine in the day before the opener and camped 1/3 mile from the trail. I had ascended a ridge before they even turned the keys off each day.
why don't wildlife officers crack down ?its not hard to find them if we as hunters are seeing them is it ?
"why don't wildlife officers crack down ?its not hard to find them if we as hunters are seeing them is it ?"
Some units have 1000 hunters with 2 C.O.s. Typically the C.O.s have bigger fish to fry. More than likely, they are dealing with a landowner/trespassing complaint. If you want more enforcement, and to set the record straight, I agree with you, be willing to pay more for taxes and or licenses.
Knowingly break the law and you risk bad behavior from those that value the law. Vigilante justice still happens. For those who say turn the other cheek or you are no better than the criminal, I am okay with that result. If LEO are not willing or able to address a situation then you can give the bully your lunch money. I prefer to not give up mine without a fight. If that makes me a bad person to fight or even fight dirty then I suppose I am that guy that makes crappy people pause as they ponder if this is the right place and time to be crappy.
The local CPW guy where I'm hunting this year could cruise the main roads and write tickets all day for stuff like no ATV stickers, riding on the county rd, not wearing orange during muzzleloader or rifle, too many trout, fishing without a license, etc.. His area is pretty big and he's one guy working 40-50 hours a week. He also deals with "There's a raccoon on my porch" and "A bear ate my chickens" calls along with whatever studies, projects and big poaching cases are going on. They have to choose what the best use of time is. Trying to track down one guy riding illegally might take a backseat to making contact with 10X that amount of users or a bigger case.
The Forest Ranger there would like nothing more than to fill up her ticket book with every violation she can but she sometimes gets too busy locking the seasonal roads a week early and unlocking them a month late :^)
Forest rangers are way understaffed in the Roosevelt Forest. CPW game wardens are chasing problem bears all summer long. It is a problem with no good solution.
Hunt on, good luck to all.
Treewalker got it. Crappy people will only quit being crappy people to those that hold them accountable.
I am getting old and I may have posted this before but I am gonna post it again. Last year in archery season in CO I have never seen such blatant illegal ATV use. I saw where ATVs were cutting across switch backs on the main road, they were riding on foot traffic only trails, and off the trails. I saw mountain hillsides with no trail to them that looked like there had been a motor cross race there. I saw beaver ponds where there were no trails that led to them that were rutted up and muddy. I saw where some one had been using a stream that trickled across the road as a trail and had slung mud all over the road. I walked in on a non motorized trail for about 45 minutes before daylight one morning only to have someone drive by me in a pickup truck just at daylight. I went to the National forest office twice to complain. The lady there asked me what I meant by a non motorized trail. I told her where I had seen some of the misuse and her response was "that is a good example". When I asked what she was going to do about it she said little except that the officer had many miles to cover and could not be every where. Later that week I was fishing and a Game Warden stopped to check my license. I let loose on him. His reply was he would write tickets for everyone he caught but that the fine was only $200. Well below is directly from the CPW website. It would not take many $5000 fines to pay for an addition officer or two. Sorry for the long post but every time i think about last years experience I need to vent. Colorado Parks and Wildlife (303) 791-1920 or online at: www.parks.state.co.us Fines Fines related to illegal motorized travel vary by offense and jurisdiction. Forest Service fines can be up to $5000.00 and 6 months in jail. If resource damage occurs, you may be required to pay for repairs. State penalties for offenses incurred while hunting can include losing preference points as well as monetary fines or jail time.
There have been a number of "vigilante" type responses with just as many cautioning against such action. The facts are that when people can no longer rely on the government to maintain order, they will take order into their own hands. It's not a new concept, but it is one that is being revised more and more.
"The facts are that when people can no longer rely on the government to maintain order, they will take order into their own hands. It's not a new concept, but it is one that is being revised more and more."
Let me share another concept that is not new. It comes from the Apostle Paul, book of Phillipians 3:13-14 "Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."
I'd suggest the goal is love thy neighbor, and taken a hold of of antlers in your hand. Anything else misses the mark.
Very good, Grasshopper. Good luck to all.
Another Couple verses to go with Grasshopper's :-) ...... Just some food for thought for those who believe.
Matthew 5:38-48 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Love for Enemies 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Proverbs 25: 21-22 21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. 22 In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you.
Maybe a couple of lug nuts fell off where it was parked and somehow 3 of them were taken by squirrels, and 1 was left up on his seat? Squirrels do some nasty but righteous things.
Up here we have road hunters. I love them. Keeps them out of the woods.
Four flats. No damage done to vehicle and leaves "hunter" with a tough choice. Drive out and ruin your tires or take a hike and bring back a pump. Curious, was this the ATV you saw?
That is one pimped out ATV. I would not be caught dead on that thing.
What would the Lone Ranger do?
The parable at the end of this comment applies pretty well to your issue Jordan. I had a situation that isn't totally off what you experienced and may have contributed to me killing my biggest bull to date.
I was hunting OTC public land in CO in a wilderness area and we were about six miles in and in the middle of horrendous dead fall. We didn't plan on seeing anyone. First thing in the morning my buddy and I located what sounded like a good bull. We ambushed him and I shot him. We waited 45 minutes then went to find him. Within about a minute of wrapping my hands on a nice set of antlers I saw something out of the corner of my eye. This man jumps off his horse and yells," Holy hell, that's one big bull!" I nearly fell over backwards I was so startled. We hunted this area because guides had told us there is no way to get a horse through there. This man was no doubt a remarkable horseman with a remarkable horse. After talking to him for a couple minutes we learned that he was up on the ridge trying to drive the elk down to his son. If he was a few minutes earlier, there is a good chance he would have blown my hunt. But he wasn't earlier, on that day he may have been right on time, for me. The bull had a big harem and they were acting totally natural. For all I know he had no effect on their movement, but maybe he did. It is entirely possible had he not been up high those elk would have moved somewhere else and I would have never seen them. If he had blown my hunt, I would have been pissed, but standing there smiling and chatting over a big dead bull, I would have bought him a beer, if only there was a bar nearby.
I (like everyone else who uses the internet) have seen your bull pictures ;) It may take some unorthodox methods to kill one. That guy on the four wheeler probably isn't going to kill one, but there is always the chance that his selfish behavior could lead to you killing one.
Just a thought-Take it or leave it.
A Chinese farmer gets a horse, which soon runs away. A neighbor says, "That's bad news." The farmer replies, "Good news, bad news, who can say?"
The horse comes back and brings another horse with him. Good news, you might say. The farmer gives the second horse to his son, who rides it, then is thrown and badly breaks his leg.
"So sorry for your bad news," says the concerned neighbor. "Good news, bad news, who can say?" the farmer replies.
In a week or so, the emperor's men come and take every able-bodied young man to fight in a war. The farmer's son is spared.
Good news, of course.
everyone agree's illegal ATV needs to be stopped, and no one agree's with it how to deal with it seems to be differing views, but I can almost for sure say this .... every time they use them illegally with no consequences, they'll use them again and again
Oh the joy of hunting on public land !
From: shade mt
Oh boy...this is a HUGE!! pet peeve of mine...First off I hate ATV's, well let me re-phrase that...I don't hate ATV's...I hate people that are to freaking lazy to WALK! .. Disgust me. now if your old....or handicapped, or have a broken leg ect....Heck ride on in, no problem by me, glad your able to get in there and hunt and enjoy yourself. But if your just to dang lazy and tired to walk? no sympathy here. Ever sit in a Wal mart parking lot waiting on your wife and notice how many people are obviously out of shape? hmmm could it be lack of genuine physical activity?
enough of a rant...excuse me for being blunt. but you know, truth kinda hurts sometimes don't it.
On your own property? nobody has a say, ride around do what you want. but public land closed to vehicles? get off your sorry butt and walk.
Why aren't you in Wal-Mart helping your wife shop?? Hmmmm don't like physical activity? Get off your sorry butt and shop.
ever think that I got what I needed and was waiting on her to finish ? As far as physical activity. ? LoL well lets just say if you knew me......you wouldn't be saying that. enjoy your day.
LOL...but I did have to laugh at "get off your lazy butt and shop"...LOL
Try living in a state where two of the major ATV mfgs are based. Even our former hunting gov. rides one(but crashed it-now that was funny).
When out of state in MT a few years back we were using a public walk-in area, walking back 2-4 miles each day. End of week 1 while heading back to the lodge this guy pulls up right in front of us to block our way out packing a side arm and accuses us of hunting his place illegally. One of my buddies wasn't gonna take his crap, "You think we traveled 15 hours to get here and not know where we are?/ Been hunting ____ creek all week. Now get lost!!"
Grant we were aware of communication son walkie talkies of someone else sneaking in and out, saw vehicles parked on the private side but why tell this jerk the info?? Stupid acts by others doesn't put an honest non-resident bowhunter who has done their research in the same basket.
On the 9th day we spent 7 1/2 hours getting a 5 X 5 out, by foot, with hand carts and backpacks.
Here is a pick of all the elk on the private side from the road, very tempting but no. Take pics and move on.
Peter on the contrary I deer and turkey hunted every year in IL from 1984 until 1999 and on and off sense then and I had some horrible experiences with trespassers. I won't go into great detail but more than a few didn't get away unscathed. I made many very good friends while hunting in IL, most of which I still stay in touch with.
Shade mt........by all means I wasn't trying to offend you, I just found your post funny