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Another Grizzly Attack
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Contributors to this thread:
Griz34 05-Sep-17
Dyjack 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
IslandSnapShooter 06-Sep-17
houndy65 06-Sep-17
Fuzzy 06-Sep-17
ELKMAN 06-Sep-17
Franzen 06-Sep-17
ground hunter 06-Sep-17
BK 06-Sep-17
olebuck 06-Sep-17
MF 06-Sep-17
stealthycat 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
ohiohunter 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
jeck66 06-Sep-17
Rut Nut 06-Sep-17
Sage Buffalo 06-Sep-17
akbow 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
Shawn 06-Sep-17
Ironbow 06-Sep-17
akbow 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
akbow 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
Blacktail Bob 06-Sep-17
Zbone 06-Sep-17
LBshooter 06-Sep-17
TD 07-Sep-17
Rut Nut 07-Sep-17
Zbone 07-Sep-17
writer 07-Sep-17
APauls 07-Sep-17
Rut Nut 07-Sep-17
LBshooter 07-Sep-17
DL 07-Sep-17
TD 07-Sep-17
drycreek 07-Sep-17
Tracker 07-Sep-17
Tracker 07-Sep-17
SBH 07-Sep-17
Rut Nut 08-Sep-17
Thornton 09-Sep-17
md5252 09-Sep-17
Pyrannah 09-Sep-17
md5252 09-Sep-17
Scrappy 09-Sep-17
bullelk 10-Sep-17
Bow9 10-Sep-17
LBshooter 10-Sep-17
Barty1970 11-Sep-17
arky 11-Sep-17
antlerman 11-Sep-17
Zbone 13-Sep-17
From: Griz34
05-Sep-17

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It seems to me this is around the same area that Todd Orr was attacked or am I mistaken? I think I remember him being treated at the Ennis hospital also.

From: Dyjack
06-Sep-17
That's so brutal.. I can't even imagine. Gave me chills when I read "I could hear bones crunching". I'm glad he's doing okay.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
Ouch!! Glad he's alive and recovering. A new weapon just on the market for you griz country hunters, check out the Mossberg 590 shock wave. a legal sawed off shotgun that comes in at 26 in overall, yes a sawed off. The barrel is 14 inches and it's legal. 5 rounds of 12 ga that's actually a carrier able weapon.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
Ouch!! Glad he's alive and recovering. A new weapon just on the market for you griz country hunters, check out the Mossberg 590 shock wave. a legal sawed off shotgun that comes in at 26 in overall, yes a sawed off. The barrel is 14 inches and it's legal. 5 rounds of 12 ga that's actually a carrier able weapon.

06-Sep-17
So with a shotgun what's the best defense load for griz? 000 buck shot? Or solid slug?

From: houndy65
06-Sep-17
12 gauge slug, all 000buck shot would is psss them off even worth. A 41 mag, 44 mag or now I carry a glock 20, 10mm along with bear spray. If a grizzly is going to charge you more than likely your only going to have time get in a defensive position to shoot (pistol is your best option in the mountains or bear spray) or use the bear spray.

From: Fuzzy
06-Sep-17
I disagree on the 000 buck. At close range (10 feet) with a head or chest shot buck would act almost as a solid.

From: ELKMAN
06-Sep-17
The shotgun is ALWAYS the way to go in close quarters with a bear. They have hard time chewing with half their face missing...

From: Franzen
06-Sep-17
Todd Orr was on the Madison Range side of the valley as I recall. Gravelly Range is on the west side of the Madison Valley and the Madison Range is on the east side. I hunted the Gravelly/Snowcrest/Greenhorn complex a couple years ago, and there was talk of lots of griz active in the area. When you are an NR, you never know if someone is trying to blow smoke or not, but we did believe there were at least some griz in the area. Attacks on hunters seem to be getting all too frequent. Hopefully some common sense will come to the judges that end up deciding whether a season is imposed or not, but I doubt it. Glad the guy is most likely going to be fine other than some nasty scars.

06-Sep-17
I am no expert, but I have a neighbor who survived a brown bear attack on Sitka Island in Alaska, a long time ago,,,,, when it comes to hand guns, he said the only way to go is a revolver or single action, because in all reality, your getting one or two shots, so a semi auto who not be his choice,,,,,, also he agrees on the shotgun, at close point and shoot situation....

I was lucky, two younger hunters, shot over and near the bear, that was on him, and he got off, and left,,,,,, quite a story, and his scars, tell about one terrifying day.....

If I was going to carry a handgun I would carry a 454 Casulll, for my one shot,,,,,,, that is something that we can talk abut, but nothing is guaranteed,,,,,,hope I am never there

From: BK
06-Sep-17
Whats really sad is go read some of the "viewer reactions" comments listed at the bottom of the story of Griz34's Link to see what the world is dealing with. A bunch of snowflake morons.

From: olebuck
06-Sep-17
i bought the Glock 20 10mm as well for bear protection.

its fast, heavy, and packs a punch. no hammer, no safety, just draw and start pinching the trigger until it goes click.

sometimes - most of the time the bear has the advantage, if the bears is close, he can get you if he wants too.

Glad the guy is okay, it would be a brutal way to go......

From: MF
06-Sep-17
I talked to a biologist in Alaska some years back. He preferred a shotgun with alternating rounds of buckshot and slugs, said he like Brenneke slugs.

From: stealthycat
06-Sep-17
I was just commenting the other day that grizzly attacks on more than 1 hunters is so rare ... and this one did.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17

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The new bear medicine,

From: ohiohunter
06-Sep-17
For what those shotguns are I was amazed by how high their price point was. You're better off sawing off an 870 and buy the grip. I think I've seen these on sale for 350-400.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
You can't saw off a shotgun to less than 18.5 inches, it's ilegal. This gun is classified as "other" on a 4473. It's not a handgun nor a shotgun in the eyes of the ATF, it's an other lol. 26 in overall.

From: jeck66
06-Sep-17
We archery hunted the Gravelly's 7 yrs ago. It was my first archery elk hunt. During my research of the area, some people said that grizzlies were a problem in the area, others said there are so few of them around. The bear biologist told me there was maybe one or two roaming the mountainside. Just be smart and we shouldn't have any problems. I was nervous as hell hunting out there. Staying in a tent at the top of the mountain made for interesting nights of sleep. It wasn't that much fun... but it was still enjoyable. Two hunters were attacked in separate maulings by different grizzlies during our 12 day hunt. This happened within a 10-mile radius of where we were hunting. Some guys hunting in our area saw a sow grizzly with two cubs about a mile from our tent. It was amazing... for only 1 or 2 grizzlies on the mountain, there were a lot of sightings and maulings during our hunt.

We did see some elk and almost called in a very nice 6x6. The wind swirled and he busted us. It was beautiful country, but I would not go back archery hunting. I do not like bears!

From: Rut Nut
06-Sep-17

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After seeing that head wound, I was surprised he didn't bleed out on the mountain! Then I read this: "His partner had some blood coagulating powder and they made a turbin, stopping the bleeding in about 15 min"

This is one of the reasons I started carrying Quckclot in my small first aid kit while hunting. Could also come in handy in case of an accidental "stick" with a broadhead.

From: Sage Buffalo
06-Sep-17
I knew a guide who hunted those areas and he said, "If you shot something it was like a CrossFit challenge as you had to move so fast before the grizz's were on your kill."

No thanks. I'm too chunky now and look like a jelly donut.

I'll stick to less manly areas...

From: akbow
06-Sep-17

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Cleaning the wounds
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Cleaning the wounds
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The next day
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The next day
I had a run in with a sow/cub back in 2004 here in AK. I had a shotgun loaded with slugs and she took one in the chest, proceeded to knock me down, tried coming at my head but I was able to keep her away with my feet until I got another shell in the chamber and put another into her chest at point blank range. I put a third in her as she was wheeling around biting at the burnt hair on her chest. She made it another 15 yards after that. And this was a smallish ~7.5' sow and she took three slugs before she went down. I don't believe in bear spray. Hopefully these pics work.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
I would think the first round of #4 buck shot and then followed by slugs figure the buck would more than likely blind her.

From: Shawn
06-Sep-17
akbow, if she took one in the head do you think it would of helped? Never been in your situation but I would think you would try for the first one in the noggin. In my book you would be the only expert that has posted on here. Glad you are here to tell the story!! Shawn

From: Ironbow
06-Sep-17
akbow,, That is a real life example. Thanks for sharing.

From: akbow
06-Sep-17
Shawn, I didn't even have time to aim. She came out of the brush at 40 yards and I had the shotgun slung over my back with my bow in hand. By the time I dropped the bow, jacked in a shell, she was right there. I didn't even get it to my shoulder. But, yes, I think a head shot would have stopped her unless it glanced off somehow. Luckily (or unluckily, depending on how you look at it) the first shot hit breastbone - bounced off and busticated her shoulder. Probably the only reason I was able to keep her away from my head was because she was a tripod. Even luckier would have been a kill shot to the head, but I could have also missed completely--so, I am sticking with lucky.

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
What slugs did you have in the gun?

From: akbow
06-Sep-17
LB--I don't recall them being anything special. I have Brenneke's now that I know there is a difference. I had never researched it before that incident. I think the Brenneke's would have done more damage and maybe that first shot wouldn't have glanced off?

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
Good choice!!

06-Sep-17
My buddy and I had to kill one that was wounded and charging many years ago. He had a 375 Mag and I had a 12 gauge with slugs. I was in front, so it was my first shot that knocked it off its feet. I think I hit it in the chest. It was still wiggling so my buddy emptied the 375 into it. It stopped wiggling pretty quickly. Like akbow, I prefer I shotgun. I don’t think it matters too much at close range whether its slugs or buck shot, either will work.

From: Zbone
06-Sep-17
LBshooter - "You can't saw off a shotgun to less than 18.5 inches, it's illegal. You can't saw off a shotgun to less than 18.5 inches, it's illegal"

You sure about that? I know long guns have to be longer 26" overall, but are you sure it's 18-1/2" shotgun barrel length rather than 18"... Have seen factory manufactured shotguns barrels at 18"... I was told 18" and longer for shotguns and 16" or longer for rifle barrels... Anybody know for sure... Also I questioned how do they actually measure a barrel length and was told by measuring a rod down the barrel with chamber closed is the actual considered length...

From: LBshooter
06-Sep-17
Your right it's 18 anything g shorter you need class 3.

From: TD
07-Sep-17
Thing about a shotgun is they are designed and built to point n' shoot. Fast. Natural motion. Very few folks practice shooting clay birds at a trap or skeet range with a .375..... although in the heat of the moment I'd imagine you'd swing it and point it as much like a shotgun as you could. Seen some videos of rifle guys shooting big bears at very close range. But shotguns are made for it. Hard cast buckshot or hard cast slugs.... I've heard proponents of both.... even those who alternate in the magazine.

I still like Steve H's solution with the .458 socom..... =D

And after reading that story.... I just did some serious research on adding a blood clotting powder or gauze to my first aid kit. They are really pretty light and pack well it seems. A good many uses for it in everything from this to falling on a broadhead to slipping with a knife. A long ways from any help in these cases. As they stated.... might have saved his life.

Seems the spray from his buddy may not have stopped the initial charge??? Might have driven it off in the end though....

From: Rut Nut
07-Sep-17
TD- after reading this story, I am going to get a SECOND QuickClot sponge for my first aid kit! ;-)

From: Zbone
07-Sep-17
LBshooter - "check out the Mossberg 590 shock wave. a legal sawed off shotgun that comes in at 26 in overall, yes a sawed off. The barrel is 14 inches and it's legal."

Now I'm confused, how are those 14" shotgun barrels legal?

From: writer
07-Sep-17
The #4 buck would blind the bear? That's assuming you not only hit the bear, but hit it square int he face with a pattern that's likely to be the size of a saucer in the split-second you have to shoot.. Anybody else wonder how accurate most would be, in that situation, with one of those Mossbergs, shooting with two hands and no stock against your shoulder? Most of us shoot where we're looking with a stock on a shotgun, even without really trying. Those I know who've tried with just the pistol-style grip have been inaccurate, even in practice.

From: APauls
07-Sep-17
Seeing as this bear came directly off an elk carcass, I am trying my darndest to remember who the guys were on another thread that would run a grizzly off an elk carcass with nothing but their bow and some spray? MMmmmmmmm no thanks. Glad the fella is OK

From: Rut Nut
07-Sep-17

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Zbone- this guy explains it very well. It's all in the semantics.

From: LBshooter
07-Sep-17
Zbone, I was too. When you fill out a 4473 there are three catagories, handgun, rifle and other. The shockwave is considered "other" and there for does not fall under the rule of 18 inch bbl. don't ask me how or why they categorize it as other but that's the deal. ATF has written a letter explaining the particulars on the weapon.

From: DL
07-Sep-17
Wanna get pissed? Read the comments. There is a shotgun round that has 00 in it followed by one round lead ball the size of the barrel above the wad. That's a .73 lead ball. That would ruin his day. Back in the 1800s they had a #2 Bore muzzle loader that shot a half pound lead ball. Or a sawed off double with two 500 H&H rounds.

From: TD
07-Sep-17
You're right DL. The comments section is sick. There seem a great number of self delusional people out there. Urban dwellers with zero sense of reality. Never asking themselves how or why that hamburger they are wolfing down got to their hands.....

From: drycreek
07-Sep-17
I had an 870 with an 18" barrel and a pistol grip. All I can say is you better make the first shot count, because recovery from a pistol-gripped 12 ga. is SLOW ! I still have the 870, but it now wears an adjustable stock like an AR. I guarantee I can dump 5/6 rounds out of my G20 while I'm shooting twice with a pistol-gripped shotgun. Not to mention, a gun slung on your shoulder or back is gonna add to your problem.

From: Tracker
07-Sep-17
I sure would not trust a 10mm to stop a changing bear.

From: Tracker
07-Sep-17
I sure would not trust a 10mm to stop a changing bear.

From: SBH
07-Sep-17
The gravellys have really changed in the last 10 years. Loaded with Grizzly now. It's crazy. This is early in the season too. Doesn't bode well. 3 more lawsuits filed today from the antis trying to stop the Grizz hunt. We need it bad.

From: Rut Nut
08-Sep-17
Just read some of the comments. All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't know there were THAT many morons on the planet! : (

But I loved this response:

Mark

2 days ago

Typical liberal thinking #$%$! You don't hunt, so you think nobody else should either. Most of the morons who wrote comments here wouldn't know what a grizzly bear looks like if one actually did bite him on the #$%$. This hunter did nothing wrong idiots! He walked up on a dangerous animal while the animal was feeding. Some run, some charge, it's the way it works. He wasn't hunting bear, he was hunting elk during a legal open season.The one thing that I SMH in knowing is that if a similar situation happened to 90% of you anti-hunter idiots, you would most likely be dead due to lack of skills in handling such an attack. Now, run along and finish reading Hillary's new book.

From: Thornton
09-Sep-17

From: md5252
09-Sep-17
I'd like to see the comments from those people if the bear had attacked them or their family. Idiots..

From: Pyrannah
09-Sep-17
i doubt most of them go out in to nature at all..

From: md5252
09-Sep-17
I'd like to see the comments from those people if the bear had attacked them or their family. Idiots..

From: Scrappy
09-Sep-17

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Is this from a bear, it's where I slept last night?

From: bullelk
10-Sep-17
When I got nailed by a bear 2 years ago the story got picked up by the AP and made the national circuits. My family and I got to read comments such as "too bad he didn't die", and "that's what you deserve". It was disgusting.

From: Bow9
10-Sep-17
I would have to agree that there are more than one or two grizzlies in that area. I have hunted it several times. I have seen enough sign to tell me that there is more than a couple. We just delisted them for a reason. There are too damn many. I also would rather hunt where grizzlies aren't an issue and that's why I hunt the breaks. I do love the mountains though so it's a trade off

From: LBshooter
10-Sep-17
Isn't it funny that people who claim to value animal life would gladly see a human die and make such comments. The animal rights people are the same ones who are pro choice for abortion generally speaking but animals are the holy grail lol. The way thier minds work are ridiculous. Animals, especially big bears are not helpless as they claim but yet a fetus is totally , 100 percent helpless and yet the animal rights scumbags don't care.

From: Barty1970
11-Sep-17
Firstly, thank God that the guy will be OK [with THE best bar story EVER]... Secondly, as we all know, and they confirm themselves, hunting-haters are NOT pro-animal, they are anti-people; listen to Bart Lancaster on the latest Gritty Bowmen podcast about the forthcoming grizzly hunt ban in BC...where he invites the libtards who think there are no grizz to come walk in his part of BC for a few days and see how they get on 'Walk softly and carry a Big Stick*' * replace with firearm and/or bear spray at own discretion

From: arky
11-Sep-17
one thing I think is funny is how they don't get mad t the bear for killing an elk. So people can't kill animals but animals can and that's fine. An arrow to the heart will kill an animal a lot more ethically then a bear attacking it lol.

From: antlerman
11-Sep-17
Wish there was a way we could turn a Sow grizzly with 2 cubs loose at all these protest and see what the idiots think then. The cops wouldnt even have to set up. The grizzly would put them all back in there cars headed some where safe. They don't have a clue to the way nature handles things.

Respect to our country and wildlife would take on a whole new meaning.

From: Zbone
13-Sep-17
Rut Nut - Thanks for video linky... I want one...8^)

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