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Elk/Venison in general; All Natural!
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Contributors to this thread:
Lark Bunting 14-Sep-17
0hndycp 14-Sep-17
kota-man 14-Sep-17
Lark Bunting 14-Sep-17
LINK 15-Sep-17
APauls 15-Sep-17
Kdog 15-Sep-17
Bake 15-Sep-17
Pi 15-Sep-17
Lark Bunting 15-Sep-17
WV Mountaineer 15-Sep-17
archer 16-Sep-17
Pig Doc 16-Sep-17
Ucsdryder 16-Sep-17
Missouribreaks 16-Sep-17
Tonybear61 16-Sep-17
Pig Doc 16-Sep-17
Ucsdryder 16-Sep-17
lineman21 16-Sep-17
Pig Doc 17-Sep-17
lineman21 17-Sep-17
jordanathome 17-Sep-17
Missouribreaks 18-Sep-17
Fuzzy 18-Sep-17
Fuzzy 18-Sep-17
Lark Bunting 18-Sep-17
Pig Doc 18-Sep-17
Lark Bunting 18-Sep-17
Pig Doc 18-Sep-17
From: Lark Bunting
14-Sep-17
I put enough pressure on myself in general but now I have even more pressure being applied by my 11 year old daughter.

I got my elk this season on Sept. 2. I packed that $*(#ing out for 13 1/2 hours straight on into the 3rd, kept it in the cooler with ice and frozen jugs of water until morning of the 4th and began the butchering. I've made a few meals with it now and had a great talk with my daughter as she was helping me wrap the meat. My enthusiasm of being a hunter and a *ahem* successful one at that ;) came out during the conversation and I might have mentioned all the processed crap that gets added to grocery store beef. I told her about the hormones, the steroids the anti-biotics...how Mad Cow disease began (being fed ill animal remains) and that it didn't stop with beef...OH NO! (I now know I should have just quickly placed both my feet into my mouth and STFU) I continued with the poultry and fish...and that we should watch Food Inc on Netflix together!!!

I might have mentioned that all these hormones and additives were speculated to be the culprit behind early puberty in girls... (I really should have stopped but kept going)

I now have an 11 year old daughter that doesn't want to eat anything but the elk I shot...and the deer if I get one before season ends, the fish that I always catch & release.....because she's afraid she'll go through early puberty...in 6th grade.... (I really should have asked my son to help me process that dang elk!)

So, I am three days into a fever, have a cough and a sore throat that is literally making me not want to swallow anything...and I am supposed to go deer hunting tomorrow-weekend. I am now expected to bring home a deer so she can help me package the final cuts..oh, and if I get some time to swing by the S. Platte and catch some fresh trout she'd be happy with that too.

Me and my big mouth! *cough*

From: 0hndycp
14-Sep-17
Sounds like a great excuse to hunt and fish with your kids even more!

From: kota-man
14-Sep-17
Pressure is on!

From: Lark Bunting
14-Sep-17

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Madi LOVES to fish! (I can't get her to come hunting with me though)

From: LINK
15-Sep-17
Sounds like you are going to have to get really good at hunting or grow your own beef. I think a few meat rabbits can produce something like 200#s of meat a year. ;)

From: APauls
15-Sep-17
Ha ha, the great/not so great part about kids believing everything we say.

From: Kdog
15-Sep-17
That's funny, kids are so black and white with things. Now go bring home some meat!

From: Bake
15-Sep-17
My 4 year old daughter makes better life choices than I do. We've lectured her about sugar before bed, so she weaned herself off all sugar. Won't drink anything but water because she doesn't want to go to the dentist.

Asks us if her snacks have protein in them.

Kids these days. :)

From: Pi
15-Sep-17
Lark, Great story ,well told...

I once had to hunt with a lingering cold / cough. You know the kind that sneaks up and tickles your thought like feathers and sand . No stopping the cough. So I would bury my head under the coat and try to muffle , best I could. Figuring it is loud enough I may as well work with it , so each time I coughed , I would finish with a call . Some snort-wheezing and some grunts.

Brought in two bucks and a doe . Get that venison friend . Cold or no cold.

From: Lark Bunting
15-Sep-17
Day 4 with the fever so I am not going tonight. I will see how it plays out but I have most of next week off to fill the deer tag. I made some elk jerky tonight so she'll be happy about that. How the hell do you explain that 6th grade is about average for puberty?! She's convinced about half her class has eaten too much grocery store meat!

15-Sep-17
Sounds like you got a good problem man. You are raising them right.

Just to add a bit, my wife has been struggling with her health for the last 5 years. Joint swelling, Muscle pain, Thyroid, IBS, etc... We've been to every doctor we can get an appointment with but, No luck, just more pills for whatever they determined her issues. Well, 4 weeks ago we got in with a specialized D.O. out of NY state. He took some blood samples, a hair sample, and urine samples. After the results, he made her a diet free from processed food, gluten, any meat, fish, or poultry containing MSG's, cut out several veggies she loved but did so based on the test results, and all soy based products. Took her off all the pills except a stomach pill. We've been on it for 3 weeks and WOW. He based his recommendations on her test results but, was very quick to say the problem we Americans face as a whole is the stuff in our food.

My wife is almost 50, wears a size 4, has her six pack abs back, and is really enjoying life again. I literally can't make anyone understand how quickly this has transformed her back to her old self. All because of what she chooses to eat. So, it sounds like your daughter is heading for a long healthy life based on your talk. Didn't mean to derail the thread but, sounds to me like you did a great job. Look at the bright side, its an excuse to apply for more tags. :^) God Bless

From: archer
16-Sep-17
It's usually the case that non-hunters are turned off to venison for no good reason. Good for your Daughter. In NJ we have unlimited antlerless harvest so keeping enough deer meat in the freezer is no problem if you have some good land. Good luck. Looks like you have a good kid there.

From: Pig Doc
16-Sep-17
It would be much better if you told your daughter the truth about meat - that it's really not full of antibiotics, steroids and hormones. Do your homework. We have enough of those fabrications being told by the PETAs and Chipotles of the world. No sense perpetuating the myths and driving more and more kids to veganism. I'm all for eating venison and other wild game but our farm raised meat here in the US is healthy and wholesome as well.

From: Ucsdryder
16-Sep-17
Pig doc...which would you say is healthier? Beef or elk? Which has less hormones and steroids?

16-Sep-17
Lots of beef is synthetic hormone free, as well as both types of steroids. I might also add that hormones and steroids are naturally produced in deer, elk and humans. I am not suggesting that adding more is good, just pointing out that hormones and steroids naturally occur in everyone's body, including elk and deer..

From: Tonybear61
16-Sep-17
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"It would be much better if you told your daughter the truth about meat - that it's really not full of antibiotics, steroids and hormones. Do your homework. We have enough of those fabrications being told by the PETAs and Chipotles of the world. No sense perpetuating the myths and driving more and more kids to veganism. I'm all for eating venison and other wild game but our farm raised meat here in the US is healthy and wholesome as well."

This is a very true statement, any trace of antibiotics, pesticides ( most legal in this country just break down to CO2 and water) are taken care of in the curing ( vinegars, spices and sauces) and cooking processes. US has probably the safest food industry in the world due to the lack of various microbial and fungal contamination.

Be aware of the "its all natural" claims of those organic folks. All natural means no protection for salmonella, campflobacter, listeria, and all the other stuff. As far as the super foods, look to see what the FDA says about them. Texas superfoods still haven't replied to FDAs 2015 warnings about their health claims. Linda McCarthey had run ins with them too with her "all natural" animal friendly nutrition line. Wouldn't expect any less for a huge HSUS , PeTA supporter like her and her husband Paul. Been tellin gmy kids the true since they were 4 or 5 , love the deer sticks, steaks and we all fought over the trout fillets for breakfast this morning..fried in real butter.

From: Pig Doc
16-Sep-17
"Pig doc...which would you say is healthier? Beef or elk? Which has less hormones and steroids?"

They are both healthy foods. My point is, saying beef is unhealthy is not supported by facts. Again, I'm all for eating wild game. I had elk for dinner tonight and it was off the charts good and good for me. I'm against spreading falsehoods about farm raised meat, especially to youngsters that are impressionable.

From: Ucsdryder
16-Sep-17
I think we can all agree with that doc!

From: lineman21
16-Sep-17
I typed out a long response and deleted it. If you think you're an expert on how safe our food is by watching a biased documentary then there's no helping you.

From: Pig Doc
17-Sep-17
Was that aimed at me lineman? I'm an expert in how safe our food is because I have a PhD in that discipline and have worked in that industry for over 30 years. I would be interested in reading your long response.

From: lineman21
17-Sep-17
Not directed at you at all pig doc. It was directed at the first post. Agree with you 100% as a beef producer.

From: jordanathome
17-Sep-17
Amen......good to hear some balance to this discussion.

Lark.....my daughter is 10.......we should hook the girls up sometime....catch come brookies... ;)

18-Sep-17
Lots of fake news in play here. I agree with Pig Doc.

From: Fuzzy
18-Sep-17
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From: Fuzzy
18-Sep-17
I'm glad you have fostered an interest in hunting and the healthy aspects of consuming game meats. As Pig Doc says, the rhetoric regarding chronic hazards of eating domestic meats is very overblown.

From: Lark Bunting
18-Sep-17
All right, all right, point absolutely taken and I mean that. I had a chat with the kiddo yesterday about the changes in the way beef, chicken, fish, etc is handled and put her straight. I turned it into a little homework/research assignment since the Broncos were in a weather delay. We both learned a LOT!

I apologize for poisoning my child with bad information but we also read up on the ways things once were and the amount of crap that was in meat was scary.

I want to sincerely thank you for making me do more research, I enjoyed the research and my daughter and I came out of it smarter people.

From: Pig Doc
18-Sep-17
You are a good dad Lark. It will mean more to her now that she has done her own research and found the truth on her own initiative.

From: Lark Bunting
18-Sep-17
I meant well initially but learned that I didn't give her all the facts, which wasn't completely fair.

I still say that there was a period where all the additives were not doing the industry any favors and that there were many reports of adolescent puberty happening with ties back to the meat, dairy, etc.

Food, Inc is a very disturbing (and may be unfair..it's been years since I watched it) video that stuck with me. Perhaps I should revisit it with a more open mind?

From: Pig Doc
18-Sep-17
Food Inc. was largely science fiction. Even the liberal organization NPR called it out as fiction. There is zero scientific evidence that hormones in meat or dairy cause early puberty. Good idea to revisit with open mind. Believe the science not the fake news. Know that many writing this BS have agendas of animal rights and ultimately legislated veganism.

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