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Hacking CO Left over system???
So I have been wondering about this issue...
It seems that the manner in which the leftover system is working could leave the opportunity for tech savvy people to create an app or other system to monitor and alert when when the tags are posted. It seems it could go one step further and create a system where when the lic. shows up on your preferred license list the computer (ROBOT) could then go through and make the purchase using your pre-loaded information and ban you get a tag.
I do not like the idea of this nor do I hope it can happen.
What do you think? You know someone is already working an app and trying to capitalize on this system as well.
My first thought was using the PDF might be the barrier. But I am unsure how data on a PDF is coded and if a programmer could sort out the actual code.
What do you think? Will we see a company come out and charge for an app? Will they sit and watch the system for your tag for a fee? Or do we need to push the CPW to add a level of security to the list? For example one of the Captiva deals everytime the list refreshes.
I will admit I spent a few hours looking for the exact program you speak of. I check the leftover list about 4 times a day M-F. The PDF barrier is spot on. No current program that I could find could search a pdf for specific changes. If it was just a webpage, it would have been no problem. If someone is smart enough to beat the system now, more power to them, worst case they get a single tag or two for their buddies. Assuming it even becomes available.
In any case, the way it is now is 1000x better than it was last year when they started and we were hearing about crooked license agents and long lines of false hope.
The guys that could do it and would do it don't get far enough away from their parents basement to go hunting!
Kevin @ Wisconsin's Link
You don't need to be a hunter/hacker, you just need the money to pay a hacker. There is no shortage of guys with money willing to spend a lot for a premium tag. Seems silly, but some tags are worth thousands and like anything rare or valuable, someone eventually tries to find a short cut to obtaining it.
Kevin @ Wisconsin's Link
They already have them. They are called bots.
"Essentially, the bot enters the front-end of the store, runs an automated add-to-cart scenario and then checks out. This is done to make sure there will be no technical problems with the site once the product is actually released. One of the most common tools for writing codes meant to evaluative a script in this way is Selenium, which isn’t positioned as a bot tool for buying sneakers, but can easily be used to automate such a task."
I don't know why people would need sneakers so badly,but I don't see why they couldn't easily apply it to your application.
I don't understand why they don't just create a list of alternates for the more in-demand hunts and call them in order to see if they want the tag and use their PPs to help with CO's mess of a PP situation.
They do for the higher point units. I believe anything over 5 points goes to next in line
As I understand they only do that with sheep, goat, and moose. I know several guys that picked up 5+ pt elk tags only 2 weeks prior to the season this year. They just happened to be lucky enough to check the leftover list at the right minute. Really doesn't make sense to me?
Is there really that many returns (less than 5 pps) that show up after the initial leftover draw day? Is there a way to find out how many and what units were returned that showed up after the initial leftover draw list?
Elk, bear antelope and deer 5+ tags started going to the next in line this year. If they don't get any takers after 5 alternates, it goes on the list. There have been some on there this year.
I think it's great that they are willing to offer returned tags to the next in line. I don't like the idea of first come-first serve....seems like there is room for shadey stuff going on. A message was actually left on my phone machine this year for a returned antelope tag. Unfortunately I had a conflict so couldn't take advantage of it.
Last year I picked up a 61 rifle tag and this year a 66 muzzy tag. As a non resident that's 30+ preference points between those two tags. No shady stuff just persistence. I will say that I like the way they do it this year however I wish they would go back to updating the list once a day or week instead of every 5 minutes. I get absolutely no work done....lol.
Yes, new rules on reissue of tags to alternates, and using PP points on hunts taking 5+ PP. Maybe all tags should use up PP to clear them out...
Do you think someone has hacked the main draw in (any state) to get the tag in the initial the drawing? Maybe a system to alternate states/species yearly for a great hunt?
What you brought up is not considered hacking. In the same way that Google is not hacking when they continuously scan the entire web and index the contents of every site for your searching convenience. Hacking would be gaining unauthorized access to secure files, data and information by defeating security measures. What you're describing would simply be a web application. My guess would be that there are people doing this already.