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2018 Hoyt drops Today!
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ELKMAN 24-Oct-17
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HDE 24-Oct-17
Bowfreak 24-Oct-17
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Lark Bunting 24-Oct-17
ELKMAN 24-Oct-17
ELKMAN 24-Oct-17
midwest 24-Oct-17
Brotsky 24-Oct-17
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Brotsky 24-Oct-17
Killbuck 24-Oct-17
WV Mountaineer 24-Oct-17
HerdManager 24-Oct-17
Brotsky 24-Oct-17
Rut Nut 24-Oct-17
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From: ELKMAN
24-Oct-17
Totally new technology this year from top to bottom. All new. And ALL better!

24-Oct-17
If your current bow shoots straight and you've harvested animals with it, I never understood the drive to buy a new bow.

From: HDE
24-Oct-17
...same reason you occasionally buy a new car...

From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-17
Or maybe because you want one.

From: tobinsghost
24-Oct-17
Or maybe just cuz!

From: GhostBird
24-Oct-17
... the new phone books are here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Lark Bunting
24-Oct-17
Is there a specific time scheduled for the release?

From: ELKMAN
24-Oct-17
2 - 4 PM MST

From: ELKMAN
24-Oct-17
New limbs, new cams, new grip, new cable system, new awesome camo patterns, back to 35" ata. IT IS AWESOME!

From: midwest
24-Oct-17
6 pm Eastern on FB. Looking forward to checking out the new models.

From: Brotsky
24-Oct-17
Looking forward to trying out a new 35" carbon in Kuiu Vias!

From: smarba
24-Oct-17
I'm still shooting a 2011 Carbon Matrix that I bought used, but it's still fun to see what's new. But if they have new cams, limbs, grip, cable system and color...is it even still a Hoyt? LOL

BTW how is it that folks like ELKMAN seem to have advance info? I prefer longer ATA so 35" sounds pretty good.

From: Brotsky
24-Oct-17
Bows drop at 11 am CST now. ELKMAN may already have one in his hand if he owns or is at a shop. UPS started dropping them today.

From: Killbuck
24-Oct-17
Same with guns, knives, fishing rods.... If you know how many you have you don't have enough!

24-Oct-17
Wowza!!!!! I can’t wait to get my hands on one!!!! Only thing is, that it will no doubt pale in comparison to real bows. Like Matthews!!!

Just kidding of course. I bet it’s a really nice bow. God Bless

From: HerdManager
24-Oct-17
I don't get it. If this year's bow is SO much better than last year's bow, then why did last year's bow suck?? And why did they build a bow that sucked last year?? And why is it that next year they will tell us everything is new and better and that this year's bow is really the one that sucked????

And why do we believe it???????

From: Brotsky
24-Oct-17
Last year it was the Pro Defiant, that made your old Defiant the amateur version. Do you want to be a pro or an amateur? :)

They are so awesome the website crashed! LOL!

From: Rut Nut
24-Oct-17
I have a 2004 Darton Vapor...........................................................I don't know how I ever killed ANYTHING with it! ;-)

From: Rut Nut
24-Oct-17

Rut Nut's Link

From: Mark Watkins
24-Oct-17
Marketing...got to love it!

The old saying..."Perception is reality" has never been more true!

I've owned a bunch of Hoyts...all great bows...some maybe just a bit better than others...personal preference! Great bows all the way around!

Mark

From: Brotsky
24-Oct-17

Wow! Some really cool innovation on these new Hoyt's. Definitely has my interest! I was hoping for Vias but I guess Verde 2.0 will do:)

From: 12yards
24-Oct-17
I wonder how a company judges success of a new launch. If it's 50:50 happy to disappointed is that good? LOL. Anyways, I think it looks like a pretty incredible new launch. Lots of new ideas in these bows.

From: ohiohunter
24-Oct-17
Just great! A bow that I just might give up my z7 for. I'll take that UA ridge reaper camo all day!

24-Oct-17
Sign me up;)

From: midwest
24-Oct-17
Anxious to hear how they shoot. Have you shot one yet, Casey?

From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-17
I can give you Elkman's answer.

Just get one, it is awesome! It is the best bow to date. :)

From: kota-man
24-Oct-17
And Mark Watkins will probably buy a new one, but continue to shoot the old, decrepid Faktor. :)

24-Oct-17
So what is the price for the new carbon 32 or 35? Think the carbon defiants were 1449 and 1499 at my dealer. I will probably just look for a carbon defiant 34 used or maybe a left over.

From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-17
...and Kota will buy 4 new ones and figure out which one he likes best. He will then sell 3 of them and buy another just like the one he kept. :)

Nothing wrong with toys and plenty of them! LOL!

From: Bou'bound
24-Oct-17
Cory will buy different camo patterns of the same bow just to be sure. Lol

From: YZF-88
24-Oct-17
Carbon Defiants were $1,500? Woah...I haven't been bow shopping for a while.

From: Bloodtrail
24-Oct-17
That video will make you want the new one for sure. Amazing marketing piece.

24-Oct-17
Looks nice. Still really like me PD 34.

May keep this one for a few years, see if I can get 10 animals w/it before selling. New bow does look awesome however.

From: Trial153
24-Oct-17
Yawn...4 pound carbon bows.

From: kota-man
24-Oct-17
You guys are hilarious...I thought we were picking on Mark! I PROBABLY won't buy a new bow this year. ;)

From: GotBowAz
24-Oct-17
The Cams are a near exact copy of Bowtech cams. If I didnt know better...and I dont I would say Bowtech engineers had a hand in it.

From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-17
I for one appreciate your community service kota. You have saved a lot of guys some cash and kept them from buying something that might not work for them. Of course....you have also caused guys to spend a lot of money on something they "need."

I say keep up the good work.

Now lets pick on Mark again.

From: kota-man
24-Oct-17
There we go, back on topic! I think I will probably have to at least shoot the new bows.

24-Oct-17
They all pale when in comparison to a Matthews. Seriously, this thing is junk in the shadows of the Halon. A mere speck in the dust of excellence.

From: Mark Watkins
24-Oct-17
Kota, Yes, you sound just like my wife...Should have never introduced you guys at P&Y!...."He buys a new Hoyt ever year as a backup bow and puts new strings and cables on the 2014 primary bow" Sounds logical to me!

Lots of changes to the new Hoyts...The elimination of torqe via the new "cable guard" sounds very interesting.

Looking forward to shooting them!

Mark

From: 12yards
24-Oct-17
You mean that boat anchor called the Halon? Of course it shoots nice. Anything that heavy shouldn't move while being shot.

From: iceman
24-Oct-17
Mark - good to know I'm not the only one that shoots a Faktor : ) Still works well..

From: sticksender
24-Oct-17
Look forward to shooting these. But my local dealer says no turbo's until mid-Nov.

24-Oct-17
Pfftttt... training wheels.

:)

From: 3dirtdevils
24-Oct-17
This thread reminds me of one of my trips to the bow shop one year new bows were released. He swore my 8 year old Mathews was junk and the new ones were easily 60 to 80 fps faster. I said ok, let me go get it out of the truck and we would chronograph them both if the new one was actually that much faster I would purchase it but if my old one was within 30 fps then he had to give me the new one.......he got real quiet. :)

From: smarba
24-Oct-17
I'm sure there are many good brands of bow. But does any company come close to 1500 dry fire testing?! I hear stories of guys dry firing their bow 1x and having cracking risers, limbs, breaking cams or strings. Seriously does any other company subject their bows to similar torture tests?

24-Oct-17
All jokes aside, after finally getting to a computer to watch the promo video linked above, it looks like one REALLY nice bow. I'd love to shoot one but, $1500 is not in the budget right now. And, I'm afraid if I shot it, I might make it happen anyways. God Bless

From: oldgoat
24-Oct-17

oldgoat's embedded Photo
oldgoat's embedded Photo
Just had to post it! Great bows!

From: ohiohunter
24-Oct-17
Trial..."Yawn...4 pound carbon bows." I agree. I know hoyt carbon bows have a unique feel but for the price and the materials could they at least make it as light or lighter than aluminum bows??? My turd of a z7 weighs a hair over 4lbs but the helium checks in at 3.5lbs!

My gripe aside this new hoyt does have some intriguing features.. As well as a smoking fast cam option which would compliment my t-rex sized draw length.

From: Bou'bound
24-Oct-17
That bow will be More than 1499 maroon to be sure

From: Bou'bound
24-Oct-17
My only dilemma is whether to get the one with Cameron Hanes name on it or Michael Waddell’s ...........decisions decisions

From: ohiohunter
24-Oct-17
I read somewhere that the signature series hoyts come w/ a free helmet and drool cup.

Joking aside I bet those will be among the first of these bows to be sold as used.

From: Bowfreak
24-Oct-17
Carbon construction is not all about weight. It is weigbt/strength ratio.

They could build a lighter bow. They could build faster bows. They build bows which have the best combination of durability, function and performance on the market. It doesn't come cheap either.

24-Oct-17
What is the MSRP?

From: sticksender
24-Oct-17
No one knows yet, until the dealers get their price sheets. Probly somewhere north of 1.5 kD, based on the standard prices of their carbon bow line for the last 8 years.

From: bighorn
24-Oct-17
Was going to look at a 2017 but 2018 looks pretty dam nice.

From: Zackman
24-Oct-17
This was the first time in a decade that I didn't get a new bow and it was quite nice.

I was shocked that my "old" bow was able to bring down a bison and a sheep. With any luck, maybe this old technology can help me with a couple other critters before year's end...

From: kota-man
24-Oct-17
No way that old bow can kill TWO sheep Zack. You'll just have to win another one.

From: drycreek
24-Oct-17
Never owned or even shot a Hoyt. Lots of folks do though, gotta be something there.....

From: Zackman
24-Oct-17
Cory, I'm not as easily manipulated as Mark!

From: Fulldraw1972
24-Oct-17
For sale 2017 Buckskin Hoyt Pro Defiant Turbo

From: Matt
24-Oct-17
One thing I will say about Hoyt, they impress with how quickly they are willing to set aside new innovations when they come up with something better. Some of it is no doubt marketing, but some of it is real innovation.

From: Tilzbow
24-Oct-17
The new bows look like they’ve got some great new features and I’ll likely buy one assuming the reviews come back positive after guys begin shooting them. That said I personally don’t think there’s a whole lot of innovation in bow design compared to many other industries such as technology and software. I can’t imagine Hoyt has much of an R&D budget in comparison to revenue, at least they shouldn’t given the small fundamental design changes year over year.

25-Oct-17
I still drive my 2005 Ram Truck and my CRX 35 shoots just fine. For those buying the new Hoyt, good luck this season!

From: WapitiBob
25-Oct-17
I'd like to see something I haven't seen before.

From: DConcrete
25-Oct-17
Hoyt has a business to run. That business is selling bows.

They are going to market their bows, they’re going to push their bows. They’re going to sell their bows. If they don’t, they go bankrupt.

I don’t buy a new bow every year. But it isn’t my business on who does.

I don’t understand all the comments about why are you doing this, or this is how I do it, this is what I use.

The beauty of the free market is, you’re free to buy or not to buy.

From: SBH
25-Oct-17
Wish I hadn't seen this........

From: 12yards
25-Oct-17
So as far as brace height goes, is 6" the new 7"? IMVHO, they kind of went backwards in the performance department. Lots of new innovations to get there though. Maybe the cam is ultra smooth, which would be fantastic. But my 2010 Elite GT500 has equal or better performance than the 35" Hoyt (which is the one I'd want), weighs the same, and has 1 1/8" more brace. And I only paid $225 for it.

From: LINK
25-Oct-17
Wish I had the money to buy the 35 ata, maybe in a year or two I can pick a used one up that's tricked out for 600$.

From: SaddleReaper
25-Oct-17

From: SaddleReaper
25-Oct-17

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SaddleReaper's embedded Photo
A very nice lineup so far. This is sorta funny if you think about it.... Will be interested to see their response!

From: SaddleReaper
25-Oct-17

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SaddleReaper's embedded Photo

From: Wapitidung
25-Oct-17
Guess I'll have to have the 35 ATA Gore Optifade.

Wapitidung

From: ELKMAN
25-Oct-17
And yes they shoot and tune just as good as they look!

From: ELKMAN
25-Oct-17
The Bi-Ax limb pocket and the balance point part of it is that the lower pocket sits at a different angle to raise the center point of the string at full draw so the bow doesn't feel top heavy at draw. The part with the width is just that.

From: Brotsky
25-Oct-17
I'm still trying to figure out why I should buy one of these? My current bow weighs the same, is faster, and has a 7" brace height at 32.25" ATA with adjustable limb stops. Oh, and it was $1k cheaper.

25-Oct-17
I will keep my pro defiant, close enough in speed with an extra inch of brace height. 7" is about perfect for me. A shooter with better form than I can benefit from the new bows no doubt.

From: Bou'bound
25-Oct-17
If you love the 2018 line buy one new in box on Ebay next Sept/Oct. They will be about 900.00...not more than $1,000 just like the 2017s are today. You won't even miss a fall hunting season with the 2018 since you won't get one this year in time for the 2017 season anyway.

A brand new in box 2017 carbon defiant went for 811.00 this weekend....just one of many examples

25-Oct-17
"If you love the 2018 line buy one new in box on Ebay next Sept/Oct. They will be about 900.00...not more than $1,000 just like the 2017s are today. You won't even miss a fall hunting season with the 2018 since you won't get one this year in time for the 2017 season anyway. A brand new in box 2017 carbon defiant went for 811.00 this weekend....just one of many examples"

SHHHHHHH! This is what i do about every other year but if you tell anyone i wont be able to find what i want!

From: midwest
25-Oct-17
Really surprised to see them all at 6" brace.

From: SaddleReaper
25-Oct-17
"The Bi-Ax limb pocket and the balance point part of it is that the lower pocket sits at a different angle to raise the center point of the string at full draw so the bow doesn't feel top heavy at draw"

This statement is confusing. So the bottom limb set/ pocket has a different take off angle than the top? Raising the center point of the string at full draw.... comparative to what, at-brace?? That would mean vertical nock travel is occurring during the draw cycle....

From: bigswivle
25-Oct-17
Had to sell a kid for my pro defiant turbo and I've only got one kid left. I'll have to wait. They look awesome though.

From: butcherboy
25-Oct-17
I’m thinking about getting one this year and keeping my Element as backup. I wonder how much a good kidney is worth?

From: Trial153
25-Oct-17
all the suckers, sorry I mean customers who ran out and bought 200$ bow press adapter fingers for last year's bows will get a credit for their 2018 bow purchase.

From: HDE
25-Oct-17
"They will be about 900.00...not more than $1,000 just like the 2017s are today."

RH yes, LH no. Lefties are right at $1200 8^(

From: Trial153
25-Oct-17
false alarm!! keep buying the press fingers....your going to need them.

From: No Mercy
25-Oct-17

No Mercy's embedded Photo
No Mercy's embedded Photo
Got one today-all I can say is wow! You have to shoot this one!!

25-Oct-17
No Mercy that Sitka looks badass.

My PD34 hasn't even had a hunting scratch put on it yet, but may be looking for a Carbon Defiant 34 nice and cheap online!

From: ELKMAN
26-Oct-17
I absolutely love the Sitka SA finish on these!

From: kota-man
26-Oct-17
I don't know that I can do a 6 inch brace up here late season. We are usually wearing a ton of clothes that time of year and I've always noticed a big difference late season with a 6 inch brace. I actually don't mind a 6 inch brace for early season or 3d, but for late season hunting, it is not best case scenario for me. I think that will be a huge deterrent for me with this line up.

From: loopmtz
26-Oct-17
Have to wait 3 to 4 months for the left handed bows to be produced. Damn!

From: HDE
26-Oct-17
^^^ Well, look on the bright side, at least it will give us time to decide if we really want one...

From: Z Barebow
26-Oct-17
Where is my finger bow?

From: ELKMAN
26-Oct-17
Kota it won't be an issue. I sit tree stands in MT when it's sub zero so I know all about the "Ralphie" syndrome. Tell me if you get that... ;-) (hint: red rider BB gun with a compass in the stock)

From: HDE
26-Oct-17
Don't you mean the "Randy syndrome"? 8^)

From: COHOYTHUNTER
26-Oct-17
Getting mine in two weeks!

From: kota-man
26-Oct-17
Elkman...Yeah, I got it. Why won't this bow be an issue? I could never use my Turbo's when the Ralphie clothes came out for the year. In the past, the difference between 6 or 7 was big with bulky clothes.

From: ohiohunter
26-Oct-17
"Don't you mean the "Randy syndrome"? 8^)".... classic to be aired very soon!

I had a hoyt smoke w/ a 5.5" bh and no string stops. It would literally slap my wrist, almost my hand.

From: DartonJager
26-Oct-17
I recommend to beginners in our beloved sport to do what I do. Search till you find a 3-4 year old LNIB flag ship bow and buy it for less than 1/2 price of new. Been killing deer with last, last, last, last years technology for about 18 years now and my latest acquisition a NIB never used 50-60# 2014 Darton DS 3714 I bought last year for $370 TMD. Set at 56#'s DW I'm getting 266fps and can shoot this bow like nothing I have ever owned. I not good enough to make my living as a pro archer or pro hunter, but I have managed in the last 33 years of bow hunting to kill 27 deer 16 were bucks, so I have some level of know how. I don't understand the cost of new bows nor the need to buy a new one every year or every other year, but we are all free to spend our $$$ as we so wish. Come to think of it I am blown away at the prices of about all archery equipment save for arrows.

From: PECO
26-Oct-17
I could not read all of this as I am throwing up in my mouth. I will continue to shoot my 2007 Black Ice, my Mathews Drenalin and trad bows. You guys can continue to cream your panties like the Mathews boys did when the no-cam was released. But if anyone does not like their left hand "newest latest and greatest" and want to off it for a few hundred let me know.

From: No Mercy
26-Oct-17
What the hell is wrong with people who want to spend THEIR money on items THEY want? My god some of you need to get off your self righteous pulpits and get over it. Wow

From: Matt
26-Oct-17
No Mercy, some folks are fine tuning their sensitivity, trying to lower the threshold they need to achieved to get thoroughly butt hurt over things that don't even affect them.

From: Whocares
26-Oct-17
My archery shop has open house in December with factory reps there. I'll go for the food and visiting and shoot the new Hoyt, but my will power will win. Yah right just like when I went and shot the Carbon Spider 34 at the open house for the fun of it. Shot 5 bulls with it! Surely don't need a new bow!!

26-Oct-17
I'm not in the market and, I'm not knocking Hoyt. They make great bows. But, why in the heck did they make a hunting bow with such a small brace?

From: WapitiBob
26-Oct-17
The low brace is a non issue for most with a parallel limb bow. The roller guards also limit the side kick we get from a cable guard bow so the string doesn't move into the bow arm. The accuracy chatter that has gone on for 30 years has been disproven for that same 30 years. And the consumer looks at bow speed first.

From: LINK
27-Oct-17

LINK's Link
John Dudley review.

From: Glunt@work
27-Oct-17
Is truly amazing how sweet new bows shoot. My approach to bowhunting is under 200fps and under 30 yards so they don't trip my trigger. I pull out all the stops when rifle hunting so I get it.

From: Bake
27-Oct-17
You guys that buy them, let us know how they tune up with fixed blades and whether they stay in tune. I'm sick and tired of tuning and resighting in the middle of a season.

My old Trykon was a terrible tuner. Finicky.

My Mathews Heli-M tunes easier, but still won't stay in over more than a month or two.

I want a new bow, just want an easy tuner, that I can beat the hell out of and it will STAY in tune.

From: ELKMAN
27-Oct-17
Played with them again yesterday and WOW. These are just a different animal. They nailed the grip too. I've always shot side plates, but for the first time ever I will be shooting a factory installed grip.(Since side plates were factory) Amazingly narrow and just the right amount of flat back.

From: Fulldraw1972
27-Oct-17
Bake I know what you mean. Although I have never had one get out of whack in the middle of the season. My defiant Turbo has been a pain to tune. The nitrum Turbo I used to have was a breeze. After talking with Elkman I think my tuning issues are lower cam lean related.

I do like some of the new technology hoyt has came out with this year. I don’t need a new bow however I want an easy tuner.

From: Ermine
27-Oct-17
If your having to retune mid season I don't think it's the bow but I would guess it's the strings. I've never been a fan of factory strings. I always put after market strings on my bows and it takes away the having to re tune

From: Bake
27-Oct-17
Not strings. I use custom strings

From: WapitiBob
27-Oct-17
Lots of custom strings, most are crap.

What exactly do you think is moving if not the strings?

From: sticksender
27-Oct-17
Usually for me, the solution is wait a couple days and shoot again. If not that (form), I make sure it's not flyer arrows. They can be good one day and become flyers the next, IME caused by certain kinds of severe impacts. String issues are usually apparent because your peep will have rotated a bit. I've had this issue with Vapor Trail strings throughout their life, even though they are considered one of the best. But there are other potential issues. My CST developed bottom cam lean. There is no sure solution for removing bottom cam lean on a late-model Hoyt. Neither swapping limbs left to right, nor shimming were able to fix it. I can no longer get satisfactory flight out of that bow with FBBH. I will continue buying Hoyt bows (for many reasons) but IMO there are two areas Hoyt needs to catch up in....1) fixed-yoke cabling on the lower cam, and 2) a fine-tuning device built into the cams like Bowtech has, for cam syncing. The average archer is becoming much more sophisticated in their knowledge of, and participation in, bow tuning. I hope Hope Hoyt will begin to recognize that and reflect it in their designs, like Bowtech already has.

From: Bou'bound
28-Oct-17
what does bowtech do in that regard that is not available in hoyt systems,

From: sticksender
28-Oct-17
For cam sync, Bowtech has what they call a "Micro-sync dial" built into the cam. See link below. By contrast, in Hoyt systems to set the draw stop timing, you need to press the bow and then change the length of cabling (add/subtract twist). A somewhat awkward system. As new bow-strings settle in, you may need to check and set it again, and possibly repeat later with the passage of time. I wouldn't buy a bowtech for only that feature of course. But it does show they believe archers now want tuning features that, in the past, were not well understood by the average archer.

https://bowtecharchery.com/bowtech-technologies/micro-sync-dial/

From: JW
28-Oct-17
^^^^ Dual yokes for starters...

From: Bou'bound
28-Oct-17
Thanks

From: butcherboy
28-Oct-17
Just shot an RX1 today. WOW! Of course, it blew my Carbon element completely out of the water. I’m getting one probably in the spring in Kuiu, or the Optifade. I like the darker green of the Kuiu more. Draw was really smooth, let down was easy and didn’t jump away from me and it was spitting those arrows pretty fast! Very nice and price is comparable to last years pro defiant from the custom shop

From: Bou'bound
28-Oct-17
How much faster was it than the element.

From: bighorn
28-Oct-17
What's the price?

From: JL
28-Oct-17

JL's Link
Here's the fine print on Hoyt's warranty. It would be wise to read it fully.

From: Bou'bound
28-Oct-17
The suggested retail is only $1,699. With accessories you can be into one for under $2,000 but not if you get a decent drop away rest, quiver, sight,and stabilizer. Probably closer to $2,150 fully accessorized with the accessories at the same quality level as the bow itself.

From: dmann
28-Oct-17
I checked one out today, very nice, but not $1549 nice. I did really like the verde on the bow. I just don't see where they justify that price when other companies have more features/are more tunable, and usually around $500 cheaper. They're great bows but not for me.

From: Matt
28-Oct-17
"What exactly do you think is moving if not the strings?"

Maybe the shooter.

But it is probably the cabling. It is pretty easy to mark cams with pencil so you can easily see if anything has moved.

As an aside, the last 2 Hoyts I have owned still have the stock cabling (still have the aftermarket strings for the first of the 2 hanging in their original packaging on a peg in my gear box) and the stock stuff has been absolutely nails.

From: HDE
28-Oct-17
"Here's the fine print on Hoyt's warranty. It would be wise to read it fully."

So, unless you replace factory strings and cables with factory strings and cables, Winners Choice, Vaportrail, and 60X Custom Strings will void your warrenty?

From: Bowboy
28-Oct-17
There $1599 in WY and UT.

From: HDE
28-Oct-17
The Carbon Spyder 34 ZT I bought in 2015 was with custom colors and came in at $1500. The new VX-1 standard colors at my local dealer is $1550.

Price wise, no different than what I've done before.

From: JL
29-Oct-17
""So, unless you replace factory strings and cables with factory strings and cables, Winners Choice, Vaportrail, and 60X Custom Strings will void your warrenty? ""

HDE, that is exactly how I read that warranty requirement too. That is one reason why I threw that link out there.....if we're reading the warranty requirements correctly, the fine print might come back to bite someone that buys a Hoyt bow.

From: butcherboy
29-Oct-17
The one I shot was listed at $1550. I have tested other bows in the past and always buy a Hoyt. Owned a single cam Matthews for a few months and hated the single cam and the draw cycle. That’s when I sold it and bought my Element. I’ve tested other Matthews bows, PSE, Elite, etc. I prefer the smoothness of a Hoyt and how easily they tune for me.

As for warranty’s go, I’ve never had to use one, ever. I don’t worry about them much.

From: carcus
29-Oct-17
I might look at a hoyt if they come out with dual static yokes, I need them, I torque bad! I've owned so many bows including hoyts, I will stick with bowtech

From: HDE
29-Oct-17
So I guess for every 1,000 Hoyts sold, 999 have no warranty because most people I know put aftermarket strings on them when they buy them. Hoyt needs to go ahead and change that part of their warranty rules (hint, hint Hoyt guys) because there are aftermarket string manufacturers that produce them that, quite frankly, exceed or equal the factory strings...

As far as Hoyt's shoot-ability and tune-ability, I keep going back to them after all the other bows on the market I've tried. Never have not had a Hoyt for the past few years, the other manufacturers I've owned are just trying them out because as a lefty, I don't get to shoot before I buy.

From: Matt
29-Oct-17
Do any of you know of anyone who has had Hoyt deny a warrant claim due to the use of aftermarket strings?

From: HDE
29-Oct-17
I used the warranty this past summer for a splintered limb and that wasn't even a concern...

So it makes me wonder why they even have it there.

29-Oct-17
I think the company Hoyt is, its just a disclaimer to cover their bases. I'd be willing to bet that this requirement would never be implemented on a bow that truly fails at no fault of the user's. God Bless men

From: Ambush
29-Oct-17
I'm sure happy I don't shoot good enough to take advantage of this newest technology. I'll plod along with the couple of old Mathews I'm in sync with and save the money for bait.

From: ELKMAN
29-Oct-17
Hoyt is ROCK solid when it comes to backing their product on workmanship or defects. No need to worry there. Price wise it seems high, but when you figure your average Yokel is walking around wearing $2,000+ in gear on any given day hunting, and most guys generally keep bows for years and use them year round, it's really not that insane for the best bows on the planet...

From: Bou'bound
29-Oct-17
It is insane. You can buy three rifles For that that will last a few generations not a few years

I have shot nothing buy hoyt since 1985 and don't plan to change

From: HDE
29-Oct-17
1 million draw cycles, 1500 dry fires. Bow will last more than a few years...

From: JL
29-Oct-17
IMO....I would not want to test that warranty clause....but that's me. If I was in the market for a new Hoyt, I'd clarify with customer service what the exact deal is with that clause so I do not get any surprises down the road.

For what BB is saying....3 rifles to one bow.....I'd go with the rifles as they should hold their value better.

I have an APA Black Mamba MX2. If I get another bow, I'll likely go with APA again as their bows have more practical features that I use in the field/stand than most bow's out there. The bow hanger built into the riser is a great idea. I use that every time I'm in the tree.

From: PECO
29-Oct-17
Physically it will last, but mentally it will be an obsolete POS next year and need to be replaced.

From: PECO
29-Oct-17
Physically it will last, but mentally it will be an obsolete POS next year and need to be replaced.

From: WapitiBob
29-Oct-17
A $500 Remington is a long way from a Hoyt.

From: HDE
29-Oct-17
You can misuse a rifle and watch it degrade quickly. Normally you don't shoot them as often...

From: Tilzbow
30-Oct-17
I can’t believe some still pay attention to bou after all these years......

From: ELKMAN
30-Oct-17
Yeah, you must be buying some really $h!tty guns. The Hoyt will last longer than those guns... LOL

From: ELKMAN
30-Oct-17
Man these bows are amazingly dead in the hand and smooth through the entire draw cycle. I am thinking I need to get the lower let off mods though. I have never liked low holding weights for accuracy. Or I could do an 80 pounder... Hmmm?

From: loopmtz
30-Oct-17
Hoyt's strings have come a long way. When I replace strings on my Hoyt's I always buy them from Hoyt. They seem to shoot better and last longer than most after market strings I've shot in the past!

From: ELKMAN
30-Oct-17
Yes they have. I NEVER shot factory until around 2010 when Hoyt really stepped up their game, but I still prefer JBK when I replace...

From: sticksender
30-Oct-17
I shot the RX-1 last week. The draw cycle feels similar to other late model Hoyts, except the valley seems longer. Need to try the Turbo, but they're not available for a few more weeks. I'll be curious to hear from guys who've tuned one of the new models, as to whether anything different needs to be done as a departure from normal Hoyt tuning.

From: bigswivle
30-Oct-17
Shot the redwrx carbon today, gonna sell my other kid and make it happen. What a great bow

From: ELKMAN
31-Oct-17
They tune like the Nitrums and Spyders

From: WapitiBob
31-Oct-17
The only part of Hoyt's warranty to be concerned with is the "mail order" exclusion that was put in place back in the 80's to protect dealers. They catalog serial numbers and the associated dealer the bows are sold to.

From: HDE
31-Oct-17
^^^ that way they can match up to make sure the bow was sold by a dealer as you have to put that in as well when you register the bow.

Had a Hoyt dealer selling a bow on ebay tell me it was ok because they were an authorized dealer and could use their location address to register the bow...

From: WapitiBob
31-Oct-17
that would work.

Back in the day at Golden Eagle we and Hoyt did it to catch the guys selling under the table to BowHunters Discount Warehouse. It didn't take long..

From: HDE
31-Oct-17
Bowhunters Discount Warehouse - used to buy American Eagle arrows from them.

From: Tilzbow
31-Oct-17
Wasn’t Golden Eagle the company that made a speed bow by adding spacers between the limbs and riser to increase power stroke length?

From: WapitiBob
31-Oct-17
Yep, I forget exactly why it was done. I left just before that exercise.

From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-17
I remember that bow! LOL! Those spacers were plastic too! Wow haw far we've come.

From: Brotsky
01-Nov-17
ELKMAN, set center shot and tune via yokes?

Can you give me any real world speed numbers? 450gr arrow out of 70# RX-1 at 28-29" draw length?

From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-17
Yes on the tune. They are super straight and level, and as always easy as pie with the yokes. On the speeds I can't on the RX-1, but I can tell you this: They are faster than the Nitrum line and Spyder line, which were significantly faster than the Defiant line. They gained a lot of efficiency with this limb, cam, and riser geometry combo. They don't say where, but so far my guess is the limb length/angle combination and some cam. I really prefer the draw cycle on these new cams to the DFX and even the Z5. And with the new lower let off option being achieved by putting on larger draw stops means I can get the let off I prefer (75%) and shorten the valley at the same time. Also very desirable for good holding and accuracy. All these companies are going over board with the let off, and the valley. We can thank the dopes over at Elite for that mess. LOL

From: Brotsky
01-Nov-17
Thanks ELKMAN, I really need to shoot one of these rigs. State law here only allows up to 80% let-off so the high let-off option will be out. I prefer 75% myself so that is a great option to have. Based upon straight specs I'm not impressed by these Hoyts but I'll still give them a fair chance by shooting them. We have Hoyt's in our house now and they are super easy to tune.

From: 12yards
01-Nov-17
ELKMAN, the bowhunting public is getting old. We need more user friendly (read Elite-like) bows. LOL. Ironically, Elites are getting more Hoyt-like in their draw cycle I think (less valley, stiffer draw).

From: bighorn
01-Nov-17
Elk man do you see any negatives to this bow? Which one for a 25-26" draw ? 60-65 lbs what let off for 64 yrs old?

From: Bustalung
02-Nov-17
Brotsky, I shot the rx-1 yesterday evening against my reign 6. I had it set to 60# @ 30” to match the specs of my bow. Both shot my 470 grain FMJ’s at 268 FPS.

From: JL
02-Nov-17
Obviously there are factors that come into play but 268' seems a little slow for a high end bow???

From: kota-man
02-Nov-17
I don't think that is slow for a 470 grain arrow...

From: GotBowAz
02-Nov-17
That's actually really fast for a 270 grain arrow! I like it!

From: Brotsky
02-Nov-17
That's actually not too bad. My Xpedition shoots a 490gr arrow at 285 fps at 70# and 29". 20 fps slower at 60# is about right.

From: ELKMAN
06-Nov-17
Bighorn- Sorry for delay, we were out east hunting. I do not. I would say that every single change they made were upgrades, and some of them are massive upgrades, at least on the carbon line. In my opinion their aluminum line is a little to heavy now for real hunting. At your specs. I would recommend either the RX-1 or the RX-1 Turbo if your a speed guy.

From: YZF-88
11-Nov-17
I stopped a a dealer yesterday to shoot one. Unfortunately they didn't have any to try. Dumb.

From: kota-man
11-Nov-17
I stopped and shot one on Wednesday. After ONE arrow, I told the guy to order me one. This will probably be my last bow...this year.

From: ELKMAN
12-Nov-17
Yeah they are amazing. If you don't want to buy a bow this year DO NOT shoot one of these!

From: Bowboy
12-Nov-17
It sucks I'm a lefty and they won't be shipping them to dealers until January.

From: HDE
12-Nov-17
^^^ and then most of the time we have to order without trying it first...

From: bighorn
12-Nov-17
Thanks Elkman!

From: trkyslr
12-Nov-17
I shot one over the weekend and did not like it at all... didn’t care for the draw cycle and shock at shot. Bows are a personal thing and everyone has their own comfort requirements.

From: kota-man
12-Nov-17
WTH Chris? ;)

From: smarba
13-Nov-17
Yeah, but 1/3 of the time kota-man says "order me one" without even shooting ONE arrow...LOL

From: kota-man
13-Nov-17
smarba...that's not true...I always shoot a bow before I order it. I just shoot ALOT of bows. ;)

From: smarba
13-Nov-17
I'm just razzing you Kota. I'm looking forward to trying one myself.

From: ELKMAN
14-Nov-17
They are incredible.

From: buckfevered
14-Nov-17
Are they leaps and bounds above last years Carbon Defiant. Local dealer doesn't have any yet to try but has some Carbon Defiants left. Can get a CD now, so is it worth the wait?

From: APauls
14-Nov-17
Hey, ELKMAN are you affiliated with Hoyt in any way? Just curious. A guy can obviously still love the product he is affiliated with.

From: kota-man
14-Nov-17
Leaps and bounds? No. But they made some nice changes/tweaks.

From: GotBowAz
14-Nov-17
Like I said above, the cams and system are near exact copy of Bowtech cams they have had for years. Its a binary system with the ONLY difference being the split cables riding on both sides of the cam and cam shape is slightly different. That appears to be their only innovative significant design change. However Bowtechs adjust both drawn lengths and string wall stops/letoffs the same and without a bow press came out a few years ago. Good to see Hoyts catch up. LOL

No Mercy, did your bow come with Cameron Hanes Keep Hammering decals on the limbs. Saw a video with him at Hoyt labs actually installing the decals himself. pretty cool.

From: PECO
14-Nov-17
Anyone shoot one side by side against the Mathews Triax?

From: Ucsdryder
14-Nov-17
Elkman, we need to get you some knee pads and a helmet so you don’t hurt your noggin when it’s bouncing off on the bottom of the desk!

From: ohiohunter
14-Nov-17
Blahahaha, we're gonna have to start a chapstick fund!

From: Matt
14-Nov-17
"Like I said above, the cams and system are near exact copy of Bowtech cams they have had for years. Its a binary system with the ONLY difference being the split cables riding on both sides of the cam and cam shape is slightly different. "

It isn't a binary system and hence not a near exact copy of Bowtech cams. Two wrongs don't make a right - although three rights make a left.

From: Tilzbow
15-Nov-17
I shot the both the standard and Ultra RX-1 today and wasn’t able to leave the shop without ordering an Ultra. The Ultra seemed to draw smoother than the 32” model with less of a hump before breaking into the valley and the bow tech at the shop said he’d observed the same. I noticed very little hand shock and the bow seemed quieter than my 2014 Carbon Spyder but I’ll need to shoot side by side to better compare.

The bow is nearly 15 FPS faster than my Spyder and seems to shoot and balance better with a limited sample size. Set at 30” draw and limb bolts bottomed out on a 70# model the bow was pushing a 440 grain arrow 305 FPS. Some of the speed gain is surely driven by the lower brace height and the balance of the FPS gain could be because this bow has a heavier draw weight than my Spyder but I won’t know that until I get mine in and can put it on a scale and draw board. I didn’t notice the shorter brace height and even though I was in a dress shirt I didn’t have any interference or slap issues.

From: ELKMAN
15-Nov-17
GotbowAZ: You are COMPLETELY WRONG. You could not be more wrong. It is not a Binary at all. In fact it is no different than any other Hoyt Hybrid cam, other than it being load leveled on the bottom cam with a split module.

From: ELKMAN
17-Nov-17
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5314287

From: YZF-88
19-Nov-17
What's everyone seeing for prices on these? Frustrating the dealer here doesn't have any with the cam size I'm shopping for to try. Heck, they didn't have any carbon bows to try.

19-Nov-17
$1549 here in Cheyenne.

From: ELKMAN
20-Nov-17
Around $1,500 depending on location. My guess is that they will settle out somewhere from $1,450 to $1,500

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