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Contributors to this thread:
dg72a 14-Nov-17
PECO 14-Nov-17
ELKMAN 14-Nov-17
APauls 14-Nov-17
Stekewood 14-Nov-17
HDE 14-Nov-17
Ucsdryder 14-Nov-17
ohiohunter 14-Nov-17
kentuckbowhnter 14-Nov-17
Brotsky 14-Nov-17
HDE 14-Nov-17
Ambush 14-Nov-17
bowwild 14-Nov-17
No Mercy 14-Nov-17
Pat Lefemine 14-Nov-17
Franklin 14-Nov-17
Buffalo1 14-Nov-17
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Kodiak 14-Nov-17
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Matt 14-Nov-17
Bowdog 15-Nov-17
Dan Mallia 18-Nov-17
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The last savage 18-Nov-17
ELKMAN 19-Nov-17
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DConcrete 19-Nov-17
Pat Lefemine 19-Nov-17
PECO 19-Nov-17
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From: dg72a
14-Nov-17
28 inch ATA with a 6 inch brace height. Yay or Nay?

From: PECO
14-Nov-17
I would have to shoot it. For a blind or treestand, if it shot well, heck yeah.

From: ELKMAN
14-Nov-17
Another short junk "toy" bow, from the KING of short junk toy bows. (I'll bet it still weighs more than 4.5 pounds) LMAO

From: APauls
14-Nov-17
Any diehard Hoyt fans on this thread?

From: Stekewood
14-Nov-17
Nay from this guy whose draw length isn't accommodated by it.

From: HDE
14-Nov-17
Webpage reads wt. of 4.4 lbs.

From: Ucsdryder
14-Nov-17
I won’t buy it because of the cost of new bows. Last 3 bows have been bowtechs but if it shoots good then why not? Would love the versatility of a compact bow and weight isn’t bad.

Or I could be like certain fan boys already on this thread and crap all over it because the manufacturer starts with an M. The internet experts really get old, especially the ones bad mouthing a bow that they have only seen on a computer screen. Why don’t you go shoot it then tell everyone what a gimmick it is. Unbelievable

From: ohiohunter
14-Nov-17
The king of arrogance rears his head up from the crotch of rage and hoyt to bless us with his precious garble.

14-Nov-17
Mathews will sell he hell out of them and laugh at the critics all the way to the bank.

From: Brotsky
14-Nov-17
If you hbut in a blind or out of a stand where your shots are all under 30 yards this could be a great bow. If you’re looking for something to lug around the mountains and make long shots maybe not. Have to try it out.

From: HDE
14-Nov-17
I will have to stick to what I know works for me (and I like) as I can't shoot the new bows each year.

From: Ambush
14-Nov-17
Sounds like a great bow to tuck in a suitcase Even my wife won’t have to know till we arrive.

From: bowwild
14-Nov-17
Very sweet looking bow. It will be a quality build from top to bottom like all Mathews. I hope to be shooting it by the beginning of next week.

From: No Mercy
14-Nov-17
It shoots incredible! I’m impressed and I wear Hoyt underwear. Hahahaha. Kudos to Mathews.

From: Pat Lefemine
14-Nov-17
I am currently reviewing it. I've had one for two weeks. All I can say at this point is you need to shoot it before you pass judgement due to its size.

From: Franklin
14-Nov-17
That`s what I keep telling her... New bows are like new Drivers in Golf....there are some that "have to have it" and others that don`t. I usually wait a year and get it for half off.

From: Buffalo1
14-Nov-17
Interesting to see the bows that Mathews has produced in the past with 28-29" ATA that were successful shooters, and now people are "anti 28" and have not even eyed the bow, much less shot it and have already reached a verdict.

I don't see how Baskin and Robbins has managed to stay in business as long as they have by selling more flavors than just chocolate and vanilla.

From: thwack-n-em
14-Nov-17
Means I can now get a heli m for cheap. ;)

From: Kodiak
14-Nov-17

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Looks a little wacky, but I'll bet it shoots fine.

14-Nov-17
If I could afford the price tag of a new bow and it shot well, absolutely. I shoot a Z7 xtreme now and love my 28" ata. I just wish it was still a solocam. If someone buys it and doesn't like it sell it to me for a good used price haha

From: Matt
14-Nov-17
"All I can say at this point is you need to shoot it before you pass judgement due to its size. "

I hope for Mathews' sake that line of reasoning works better in bowhunting than dating.

From: Bowdog
15-Nov-17
I shot this bow last night at my local bow shop it's the smoothest most dead in the hand bow I ever shot

From: Dan Mallia
18-Nov-17
I went down to my shop and shot the Triax. It was pumped up at 70 lbs and the DL was a little long for me but it shot well, quiet as heck and dead in the hand. We lowered the poundage on it and it had a nice draw cycle for me. I am a 27.5” DL and normally shoot around 62lbs. I hunt in blinds/tree stands a lot and can see this being a nice bow for that. Would like to mess around with it using my arrow/broadhead combo to see what kind of performance I could expect.

From: Bou'bound
18-Nov-17
Should be a good bow

18-Nov-17
"Short junk toy bow,",,damn you must be of some higher power???....or just someone that spews idiotic statements,,naa... I'm sure you must have shot one..sooo, based on your assumed genius....I'm gonna take my z7 extreme,,,and throw that piece of shit in the trash....even though I've killed 69 game animals with er......Man I'm glad your opinion was out there......lmfao......the crap that folks say........?? Wow...I'm not a huge brand person..this bow,that bow,,better,faster stronger,,,who f**king cares...we're ALL bowhunters ..but I'm sure your right...wink....

From: ELKMAN
19-Nov-17
I am. And I've killed one or two myself. Another note on these: They are running around 5/8" to 3/4" long on draw length. Not that it's abnormal for Mathews, but something to note. And that mass weight spec. is done with no dampeners or rubber on the bow. They've been doing that for years. If you like it buy it, but just know in today's bow market you will be selling your self "short" in more ways than one.

From: mike/ky
19-Nov-17
A website sponsored by Mathews is going to "review" a bow from Mathews.....

From: DConcrete
19-Nov-17
Mike/ky....

This website is a business. Mathews is a business. For profit. Just like any other bow manufacturer. Guess what buddy? Every aspect of archery manufacturing is done for profit. Rage, magnus, VPA, any arrow manufacturer, Scott archery, etc....

Within those business structures, they have people just like pat who they send product to to test. It’s a pretty solid business model.

I can only assume that in your world, and your line of thinking, perhaps they should send the product to elkman, I and certainly positive he’d give that bow an honest review ....ha ha ha.....

The point is, it’s all for profit and quite frankly, none of your entertainment.

All the marketing in the world for archery, isn’t for your approval nor your entertainment. It’s to make a profit.

And the site you mentioned that is sponsored, well let’s iust say that sponsorship keeps the site free for all to enjoy.

From: Pat Lefemine
19-Nov-17
It's a valid question. Our reviews detail the characteristics of the bow, specs, and demonstrate my experience shooting, and hunting with it. I try to be as objective as possible. There was one aspect of this bow I found lacked previous models. I also found aspects of this bow that were superior.

If you are looking for a review that says, 'this bow sux don't buy it' - then you'll need to look elsewhere. Virtually all of the bows made today are solid bows. So when I read some of the immature and small minded comments regarding a bow or any archery product, I don't pay any attention to them. They have no validity.

Mathews expects me to deliver a fair, honest review. They do not expect me to trash their bow, nor would I do that. Our reviews are extremely popular because we blend three elements together, detailed descriptions, an honest review from someone who doesn't shoot like Levi Morgan, and actual field experience including a recent kill. I have offered to review Hoyt, PSE and other bows as well and I would approach the same way.

The Bowsite community knows that I have a record for being a straight shooter and telling things like it is. Of course, you can choose to believe or not.

From: PECO
19-Nov-17
I bet if the Hoyt/Rage fanboy shot a Mathews and VPA broadheads, he would kill just as many animals, maybe more. There are many great options for your bow, arrow, broad head, and accessories. No one company is above the others. Except Darton.

From: Ucsdryder
19-Nov-17
Elkman, I think pat was talking to you...

From: Buglmin
19-Nov-17
It's not a bad lil bow. Not dead in the hand, has some jump and vibrations in it. If you're looking for a fast bow, this isn't it. Heavy bow to start that gets heavier as you add accessories. Does feel good in the hand, balances good, decent speed. It is a very accurate lil bow.

From: caribou77
19-Nov-17
I'm sure it is a great bow. I still wish more companies would offer 36"-38" bows. But I prefer long axle to axle and 7" brace heights.

19-Nov-17
mathews offers bows in the 36 to 38 inch range.

From: Ambush
19-Nov-17
Does someone have the total length and width including the cams? For suitcase fitment.

From: caribou77
19-Nov-17
Yes Kentuckbowhnter, you are correct. They do in their competition line. and they cost 1300-1700$ Holy crap!

I will say that for flying one of these short little guys would be great! Not having a big bow case to lug around would be nice.

From: ELKMAN
20-Nov-17
Ucsdryder: I have not doubt, but like mike/ky said... Look I think bows below 32" are a joke regardless of manufacturer. You are just handicapping yourself for absolutely no reason/gain the minute you make the choice to buy one. But let's face it everything else I say is true. The lying about the draw length to that degree is an absolute joke.(And should be regulated in some way) And then you have the mass weight on these bows and the method used to obtain said weight for specifications, it's ridiculous, not to mention the actual weight of the bow itself may be okay for 100 yard walk to sit in a stand, but hardly functional for the average 15 mile several thousand feet of vertical day in the west. This is of course my opinion on the weight, but the others are real measurables. (That I have measured dozens of times) I make money tuning bows for people all over the west, I think I might have pretty decent handle on what bows are what, and for what. Take it for what it's worth, what you buy won't effect my hunt next year, but it will yours... JS

From: t-roy
20-Nov-17

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20-Nov-17

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From: ELKMAN
20-Nov-17
Both very good! LMAO

From: Buck Watcher
20-Nov-17
I hunt mostly from a blind or treestand. It looks like it's perfect for me. I wasn't looking for a new bow am may try one. 3 things I look for in a bow. 1-How it fits me, not everyone on a bowhunting/archery website. 2-Quiet. 3-Smooth draw. Now that I think about it, I wasn't looking for a new bow when I shot the one I have now.

From: ELKMAN
20-Nov-17
There is benefit in that ATA if you hunt primarily from a Pop up ground blind and the shorter ATA would allow a standing shot vs. a kneeling or sitting shot. Other wise irrelevant. Absolutely zero benefit in a Tree. In fact if I was primarily a tree jockey I would shoot a 37"ATA minimum and my bows would all be ridiculously heavy.

From: 12yards
20-Nov-17
So do the large cams make the string angle feel like a longer ATA bow? My initial thought is they took a bow that was too short and made it shorter. But I honestly haven't shot any of the Halons so I'm talking out of my butt cuz my mouth knows better. I'm sure they are a good shooter.

From: Bowfreak
20-Nov-17
I will say that I saw one at the pro shop the other day and the cams are so large that it reminded me of that bow that Michael Waddell was shooting on a commercial with gigantic cams. I've never seen cams this big. The bottom of the riser is ugly but I understand it is functional and used to keep the bow from being top heavy. I am sure it is a great bow and Mathews will sell tons of them. Its just too short for my liking.

From: 12yards
20-Nov-17
I agree Bowfreak, and Hoyt kind of lost my interest with their switch to 6" brace.

From: WapitiBob
20-Nov-17
Most of the mfg are going to a bigger cam on their parallel limb bows as it does change the string angle to closer emulate a longer a to a bow. Based on what I've seen in the last month, the Mathews TRX 38 is probably the best shooting bow they've made since the C4.

From: ELKMAN
21-Nov-17
I would agree with that^^^

From: APauls
21-Nov-17
I had to make a tough shot out of a tree one time and had to put my bow between two big branches and shoot down. Had I had a bow any longer than what I had it prob couldn't have worked. Shooting a Matthews Switchback XT at the time, and scored on a really nice buck. Shooting in limbs and stuff a short bow has advantages.

We are so spoiled with all the options we have today to talk about a bow like it is "unhuntable" out west because it weighs 9oz more than other bows is absolutely laughable. Leave a candy bar at home to save the weight if carrying an extra pound bothers you so much. Some guys climb mountains in Lacrosse rubber boots and kill elk for Pete's sake. Sure, a bow a little heavier isn't the #1 ideal scenario, but guys can, and will hunt with a lot worse. Heck, I had a MBG sliding sight that weighed like 2 lbs. But when you got what you got, go hunt and giver hell. If you buy a bow cause most of the hunting you do is in a blind or a tree, optimize for that. Wanna take a trip out West? Bring your bow and go have fun. If you need a light bow, pack a recurve ;)

From: kellyharris
21-Nov-17
Elk man just curious, what bow manufacturer do you feel is the best?

From: BIG BEAR
21-Nov-17
Always Hoyt for him I'm guessing.....

From: pav
21-Nov-17
In case you missed it....best response on this entire thread goes to Matt! LOL!

From: BIG BEAR
21-Nov-17
My Mathews Legacy and Browning Mirage will last me the rest of my life..... I'm the guy who drives a truck until the wheels fall off.....

From: drycreek
21-Nov-17
I’m not a mountain hunter, but I’m wondering something. If a 4.5 lb bow is too heavy, how come gun hunters lug around an 8 lb. rifle ? Just wondering is all........

From: ohiohunter
21-Nov-17
While I'll agree I don't care for a heavy bow on the mountain, but at the same time one of the competitor's carbon bows are only a few ounces lighter. And I wished my guns weighed in at 8lbs! You'd be surprised by the number of 10-12lb guns being used. Don't get me wrong, there are far lighter but like everything there is a trade off.

From: Ucsdryder
21-Nov-17
Dry creek, my gun is 8 pounds but I carry it in a kifaru gun bearer so it might as well weigh 8oz. The weight distribution is amazing and I can have it mounted and ready to shoot in half a second. My bow is a pain to carry around. 4.5 pounds feels like 20 as it’s hanging from my hand as I haul it around miles upon miles. No easy way to carry it except by the string.

From: HDE
21-Nov-17
Usually the rifle hunter doesn't put in the miles a bowhunter will. Rifle hunters have way less blown stalks and missed opportunities so it's easier to pack a little more weight around.

As far as oz. go, a few doesn't matter early in the day, but it does toward the end, or if you're hauling a load out.

From: kellyharris
21-Nov-17
Elkman- what bow manufacturer do you recommend?

From: Nick Muche
21-Nov-17
Kelly, why Poke the bear?

Oddly enough, ol elkman does actually kill stuff with his preferred bow. Lol

From: DRR324
21-Nov-17
Kelly, I'm guessing NOT a Matthews....lol.

From: HDE
21-Nov-17
"...tuning bows for people all over the west, I think I might have pretty decent handle on what bows are what, and for what."

I think this is what the question stems from...

From: Kurt
21-Nov-17
Ucsdryder, all my compounds carry well in my Gunbearer.....try it, beats in the hand carry for pack trips. And ready to shoot in short order, just like it was in your hand after you release the upper strap.

From: Ucsdryder
21-Nov-17
Ok you got my attention. Can you attach a pic? Where do you lock the upper strap?

From: ELKMAN
22-Nov-17
Kelly: Right now I think it's Hoyt and PSE hands down. (Prime is on the come up)

From: spike78
22-Nov-17
Elkman, what about the little guys like Xpedition, APA, and Obsession? Mathews, Hoyt, and PSE are not the only bow companies out there. I like my Elite Hunter and have yet to draw a bow that is smoother.

From: ELKMAN
22-Nov-17
There is nothing really "wrong" with almost any bow being made these days. If it feels good to you, and gives you confidence in the moment of truth then that is the bow I would recommend. If you are a guy that is little more fact based and want to compare real aspects and tendencies of certain bows and their makers then I would recommend just looking at over all systems and their real world track record for accuracy/forgiveness. Because in the end it is ALL about "where" we hit, whether it be on a line in Vegas, or on a cliff in Montana. If you have a bow that gives that "mind set" of I can not miss, then don't let go of it regardless of brand, because about 90% of this voodoo called archery is between our ears. Those brands you mention above are fine, but you have to realize that a lot of what they are doing is five years old. They do not have the same R&D as the majors, therefore a lot of what they are doing has already been done. In some cases they have made little tweaks to improve the system, but still kind of is what it is. They are just a little bit cookie cutter. But again if you feel deadly with one, then that is the "best" bow period...

From: Ambush
22-Nov-17
I find most people are only truly honest about there gear after they have replaced it. While they have it “.....it’s awesome, you should buy one to...”

I like to buy stuff that has had a one or two year run, so I can research it’s track record rather than its claims.

I don’t mind cooks cutter either. It usually means it works well enough to be repeating. If you are always on the cutting edge, your going to be bleeding (money) sometimes. It excites some people and frustrates others.

I only have and have had one bow that I will never sell. And that is a ten year old, unexciting, Mathews Drenalin. I don’t like the xtremes in anything.

From: Brotsky
22-Nov-17
"Those brands you mention above are fine, but you have to realize that a lot of what they are doing is five years old."

This is a load of crap. I have a lot of experience with Xpedition and Obsession bows. Come on ELKMAN.

From: CP
22-Nov-17
Bought a Triax Saturday. It’s a dandy shooter. Quiet, short, accurate-perfect treestand whitetail bow and a great compliment to my Hoyt Carbon Defiant elk bow.

From: HDE
22-Nov-17
Side by side and with an open mind, Xpedition is a tie with Hoyt. That's it and that's all - it is irrefutable.

I know this because I have both and have shot both...

Flame on!

From: WapitiBob
22-Nov-17
What's on an Expedition or Obsession that wasn't on a bow 5 years ago? Actually, what's on "x" bow that wasn't on a bow 5 years ago...

Pse limb shift and Mathews Tophat system comes to mind but the list will be short.

From: Brotsky
22-Nov-17
That's about it Bob, they are all riser, limbs, cams, and strings. There's certain little bells and whistles to each one but at the end of the day a bow is a bow. Shoot the one you like!

From: PECO
22-Nov-17
I am with Ambush, and will not sell my Drenalin. I will also not sell my Daimond Black Ice. I do not plan to buy a new compound anytime soon. When I do, I will check out all of the brands, and I will not purchase the top of the line latest and greatest. Nothing wrong with buying a proven design. This bullshit of having to buy a new bow every year because last years latest and greatest is now an obsolete piece of "junk," is stupid. IMO

From: HDE
22-Nov-17
Xpedition is a company formed that was/is owned by an aerospace engineering firm that has multi-million dollar contracts. During off times, they also would make parts for other bow companies and decided to make their own bows. Interesting story.

Although I'd like to get a new one next year - it will take a lot to sell me one without shooting it first because there is no proof it shoots better than what I have now.

From: Bentstick81
23-Nov-17
All i can do is read about all new bows, because i know, that i can't afford any of them. LOL

From: ELKMAN
23-Nov-17
Bob there is the ZTR cable guard, the reverse assist cable system, PSEs limb shift, and now the first ever Hybrid cam system with a load leveled buss cable on the bottom, and Darlington has of course just kept pumping out innovation as always. (greatest single archery mind ever) Those are significant. Any company still running a two track binary, or a single cam is just running an inferior antiquated system. There's nothing wrong with obsession if you get a good one. But just like every two track system if you don't, you better hope you can shim your way out of it. Just no equalizing forces on that system. It was an "okay" idea/system when Kevin Strother designed it 15 years ago. But the system Darton just sold to PSE is faaaar superior. The Mathews system is superior, and the Bowreck system is by far the most tunable. But for what ever reason the Hybrids just seem to be the most accurate and forgiving to shoot.

From: Ambush
23-Nov-17
I would have no problem buying a 28” bow if it shot good. But a seven inch brace height is a low as I can practically use. Most of my hunting is done in cold conditions and short brace and puffy sleeves just don’t mix. I have a 29” draw length, so that little bit of extra FPS isn’t worth the potential problem.

Both my Mathews Drenalin and Heli’m single cams stay in tune. Simple and reliable are my first requirements.

From: Dan Mallia
25-Nov-17
So I shot it again today with it set for my DL (27.5”) and had draw weight down to 62lbs. I have a Halon and Halon 32, both are 6’s. There’s something odd about the draw cycle on the Triax in regards to what I felt, a sort of resistance that I don’t really notice on the Halons. It was quiet and dead at the shot, no doubt about it but there was something about getting it to the wall....... Not giving upon giving this bow a try because I like the short ATA for blinds and stands.

From: kota-man
25-Nov-17
The string angle is a deal breaker for me on this one. Dead at the shot, held nice but I felt like I was “leaning in” on the shot. I’m really sensitive to string angle and this one is just too much. Nice bow though!

25-Nov-17
^^^^ For me too Kota.

Being 6’4” it was steep. It shot well, I just shoot longer ATA much better.

For those about to buy... we salute you.

RIP Malcom Young- AC/DC

From: Pat Lefemine
25-Nov-17
I wondered about string angle for tall guys and I mentioned it in our review. My draw is 27 so no problem for me whatsoever.

From: spike78
25-Nov-17
I’m 5’4 and 26.5” length so I shouldn’t have a problem. Hmm maybe they will mark them down in a year when they make too many due to string angle and no takers.

From: muzzy
26-Nov-17
Treestandwolf, at 6'4" curious what your draw length is? I'm 6'4" also and there's no way I could shoot that even with the max draw length.

Drawing a bow back farther than it is in length doesn't seem to make sense.

From: ELKMAN
26-Nov-17
Dan: Sounds like the one you were trying out may need a little tweaking on the timing. I found the draw to be VERY similar to the Halon. Completely agree on the string angle guys. Even on shorter 28" draws like mine I think it is just to extreme to enjoy shooting very much.

From: spike78
26-Nov-17
Pat, never have owning a Mathews bow and currently shooting an Elite would make me the perfect candidate for a second non biased review of the Triax, just saying. Just PM me if you need my ship to address. I will even send the bow back after next bow season.

26-Nov-17
Muzzy, my draw is 30".

From: Pope125
26-Nov-17
Why do some people have a problem with the string angle , but you have Levi , and Lee both are big guys . So why are they not having any problems?

From: Hawkeye
26-Nov-17
Dan: Try a 27" as the Mathews usually run 3/8" long. I shoot 26.5" on Mathews and 27" on Hoyt and Bowtech. If your drawlength is long...even a little....it can feel awful as you engage different muscles. Unless you've shot 27" Mathews comfortably before then doesn't matter. As Elkman said, if the synchronization (both cams hitting at same time) is off....your draw will feel "choppy." I bet it shoots nice although I have yet to shoot one. Lots of cool options out there :)

From: kota-man
26-Nov-17
If I got paid to shoot them, I may not have as big a problem with string angle either. ;). There’s some serious string angle on this bow with a 29” draw, I can tell you that. It will bother some more than others. Given the choice, I chose to not shoot bows with that sharp of string angle. Others maybe don’t care. That’s why we have choices.

From: spike78
26-Nov-17
So if I shoot 26.5” I’d have to get one in 26”?

From: Hawkeye
26-Nov-17
Hard to say without a draw board but they do run a tad long. Saying that I shot Mathews in 2015 (No Cam) and 2016 (Halon). Loved them both. I'd try both and see which feels better which is most important.

From: md5252
27-Nov-17
String angle is a non factor when shooting with a release imo.

Shooting with fingers is where you’d see a problem with string angle

From: Brotsky
27-Nov-17
I disagree. String angle creates a much larger window between your eye and your peep. This is a non-issue for some guys but for others it's a big problem. You also start to get concerns with nock pinch, etc when string angles get really steep. It is what it is. For guys with short draws it's no big deal, but when you get out to 29 and longer it's a real problem for some that is easily solved by a longer ATA bow. It's great we have so many choices!

From: kota-man
27-Nov-17
Thank you Brotsky...I was trying to think of a good explanation, and you nailed it.

From: Fulldraw1972
27-Nov-17
To add to what Brotsky said. The steeper the string angle for a long draw the smaller the peep also.

I prefer a longer ATA bow as well as a 2” pin Gaurd. That way a 1/4 to 5/16” peep fits perfect for that pin Gaurd.

Heck I remember in the late 80’s drilling peeps out to let more light in. Lol

From: ELKMAN
27-Nov-17
Brotsky has it right.

From: Dan Mallia
28-Nov-17
Hawkeye and Elkman, thanks for the tips, I’ll give it a go!

From: bigswivle
28-Nov-17
Hoyt guy here and I'm gonna try it out.

From: ELKMAN
28-Nov-17
You should shoot them all, and see where you land.

From: Creed
28-Nov-17
Shot it for the first time yesterday and absolutely loved it, but I'm a fan of small bows to begin with. Absolutely dead in the hand. Love this bow!!!

From: ELKMAN
28-Nov-17
What is it exactly that makes you such a "fan" of small bows?

From: spike78
28-Nov-17
Elkman is relentless trying to steer people away from this bow kinda comical. I’m about the most anti Mathews person out here and I’d like to draw that sucker back. They really need to do something about the weight though. You would figure with the waffle design it would be the lightest bow out there.

From: carcus
28-Nov-17
If its doesn't have dual static yokes its not worth looking at, yoke tuning is the bomb, why would you ever move your rest out of center???! I've had floating yokes Chillr and a few darton ds3800s, lots with no yoke, bunch of elites and many others, never could get them tuned perfectly

From: HDE
28-Nov-17
How did we ever survive 30 yrs ago when yoke tuning wasn't an option?

Oh yeah - shots were kept under 40 yds (30 in all reality) and Punchcutter broadheads hit the market. Sorry, I digress...

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17

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I'm way late on this thread but Matthews .....?????????????????

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17

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When you obtain a MAN CARD here is a real bow...

From: PECO
28-Nov-17
So anyone not shooting one of those 2018 Hoyts isn't a man?

From: PECO
28-Nov-17
double

From: ohiohunter
28-Nov-17
100% of all hoyt shooters claim their sister kisses better than their cousin.

From: Fulldraw1972
28-Nov-17
How does a person get the name of monster bull? He must be a paid hoyt shooter.

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17
?????????? sorry dudes HOYT OR NADA!!! If I had to part ways with hoyt it would definitely be bowtech. The pse rep just brought in New line up to the shop and the new higher end ($1000) bow just can't compete. For people who can't spend a ton of money the mid range bows are good bang for the buck. I love messing with peeps about bows and trucks both lol. You Matthews guys probably drive a power stroke also hahaha ..

From: ohiohunter
28-Nov-17
Power stroke? is that what you hoyt boys do when you're alone together?

From: spike78
28-Nov-17
I like the short ATA on that new Hoyt bow shown above. In fact, I was at a shop today and a guy happened to buy it. The shop gave him a free Hoyt bumper sticker and he proudly slapped it on his Prius on the way out.

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17
No powerstroking here,all cummin....s... All seriousness and Prius jokes aside . High end bows are through the roof now adays.. It's no secret. The Hoyt,and Bowtech race is pretty tight.. the reason Hoyt is coming out on top of the bowtech is the sheer toughness of the Hoyt . Both shoot wicked good and are really the only bows truly evolving in technology. The expedition is basically a high bred of the two and is a nice bow as well. The expedition is a pain in the ass to tune compared to the others . Matthews has never really made a lasting impression on me and the one size fits all cam really limits the speeds on the short draw guys like me. Elite is basically an old bowtech binary cam system with less cam lean and a better let off. Same with obsession ,but elite is not as over priced as obsession. Prime!! Science project !!

From: Kurt
28-Nov-17
Splitlimb13, Read the Pro-staff hero thread. It's at the top just for you.

From: Fulldraw1972
28-Nov-17
Kurt, he might want to take a peak at the ol rules as well. That is unless he is really lucky and had parents name him monster bull.

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17
Kurt thank you for you're concern . Fortunately I'm not a "pro-staff" hero . So that thread is not "just for me" Just shoot a lot of bows as they hit the lines. 1972 OL rules ? Really dude ? Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Just talking bows!! I'm as entitled to an opinion just as much as poor guys shooting Matthews.. please take you're panties and un-bunch them now please .

From: HDE
28-Nov-17
"100% of all hoyt shooters claim their sister kisses better than their cousin."

Hey - don't go dragging us NMicans into this!

From: midwest
28-Nov-17
Is AT down again?

From: Ambush
28-Nov-17
Remember Hoyt guys. It’s not sex if you’re by yourself.

That’s all I ever hear from the Hoyt’ists:

“..ooow, it’s so warm in my hand..”

From: Ambush
28-Nov-17
Hoyt for Frills

Mathews for Kills!

28-Nov-17
Ohio, yes, your sister kisses better thsn your cousin. Get serious....

From: splitlimb13
28-Nov-17
Ambush , Matthews or prime for you?? Hahahaha nasty !! Thank you stick n string!!! Finally someone SERIOUS.....

28-Nov-17
This is getting funny. Keep it up guys

From: Ambush
28-Nov-17
All kidding aside, I did have a Hoyt once.

But then I got a job and bought a real bow. Gave the Hoyt back to my buddy’s little sister.

28-Nov-17
Lol ambush

From: ohiohunter
28-Nov-17
Stick n string, must be the home court advantage.

From: ohiohunter
28-Nov-17
Kurt, split embraces bowsite unlike the person that other thread is directed towards.

From: Ambush
29-Nov-17
Ok, true story from my neighborhood.

Early this fall, the ten year boy that lives three houses down, comes down the street after school and he's kind'a mumbling and stifling back quiet sobs. I called to him, " Luke, what's wrong buddy, someone beat on you?" "No", he says real low, like he doesn't want anybody to hear. Then even quieter he says "The guys at school found out my Dad shoots a Hoyt." I'd known this for a while but never brought it up around Luke. I did my best to console him and suggested he just keep his chin up and pretend it wasn't important.

Well after supper little Luke comes cruising past on his bike, whistling, happy and waving! I says, " Luke, looks like you got things sorted out."

Luke says, all grinning and happy, "Yup it's all good, Mom explained that I'm from an affair with the milkman and he shoots a Mathews!!" .

From: Matt
29-Nov-17
"“..ooow, it’s so warm in my hand..” "

Is that worse than Triax shooters holding it in their hand and reveling in how short it is?

Riddle me this: What is the hardest thing about shooting a Mathews bow?

Explaining to your dad that you are gay (not that there is anything wrong with that). ;-)

From: dg72a
29-Nov-17
Boys, boys, don`t be getting this thread locked.... In all honesty, Hoyt bows are the ugliest looking things out there on the market.

From: splitlimb13
29-Nov-17
Matt ^^^^^^ hahahahahaha !!!!! That is flipping hilarious. Nuff said on that ! Just can not come back from that fellas hahahaha !!!! Dg72a you bite you're tongue!!! They're absolutely beautiful!!

From: Ambush
29-Nov-17
There might be more Hoyt owners here than the SAN Francisco LBGTQT Pride Parade.

Mathews comes in Lost Camo

Hoyt comes in Already Lost, Get Lost and Loser camo and the all new for this year Rainbow.

From: Rut Nut
29-Nov-17
Some good stuff here! At least everyone still has a sense of humor! ;-)

But seriously, it always makes me chuckle a little when I see folks get all worked up about their precious $1000+ bows! And which one is "best".

Many, Many years ago when I was still new to Archery I was still shooting the entry level Browning compound bow that I started with. I got it on clearance from Gander or Cabelas. The entire package cost well <$150 bucks(bow, sight, rest, release, quiver etc.............) I attended a 2 day bowhunter education class. First day and second morning was classwork but then the afternoon of day 2 we went out on the 3D course to shoot and go over safety and shot scenarios. One of the guys had a top-of-the-line Hoyt or Mathews(can't remember all these years later) with all high-end accessories. I remember asking him how much he paid for the bow and arrows. His arrows ALONE cost more than my whole set-up! But the thing that REALLY stuck in my mind was how POORLY he shot that bow! Believe me, I am no target archer- I would say I am a little better than average shot with a compound bow at best, and let's just say he was making me look like Howard Hill in comparison! ;-) Just always reminds me that just because you shoot a VERY expensive, high end bow does NOT automatically make you a good shooter/hunter! ;-)

29-Nov-17
As far as shooting in the yard, a great shooter can shoot ANY bow well. A bad shooter cant shoot any bow well. But little differences in technology can make a difference to the good, though each guy needs that something to be a little different. I started woth a Hoyt recurve as a lad, its never changed and never will, because Hoyt will always be a top tier manufacturer.

The ribbing is fun tho....

From: Brotsky
29-Nov-17
Life's too short to get serious, I'm too old to catch anyone, and I got over things blowing up in my hand when I was a kid on the 4th of July. I don't like beating my arrow to the target and I'm well past my Prime so that left me with Xpedition:)

From: splitlimb13
29-Nov-17
Brotsky , very creative .. I like it!! Stick n string !! That's what's up ,good form!!

From: ELKMAN
29-Nov-17
LMAO! Wow. I just wanted to know what made Creed such a "fan of small bows"... (Ambush you need to get a job) ___ ;-)

From: 12yards
29-Nov-17
ELKMAN, I think it is a misguided Ninja/Jedi Knight thing with small weapons. The only reason I'd want a shorter bow is if I hunted almost exclusively out of a ground blind. That said, I hunted out of one in the past with my Maxxis 35 and had no trouble shooting. I've honestly never had an issue shooting any length bow out of a treestand. If you put a treestand in a tree and you stand up in it, there should be no branches in your way to begin with.

29-Nov-17

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Found a picture of Mathews 2018 ProStaff. :-D

29-Nov-17
Haha

From: Ambush
29-Nov-17
Elkman. I worked for the past 45+ years so I wouldn’t need a job now.

Today my job is to keep the snow off this tree stand seat. A Heli’m hanging beside me, eager for more blood.

From: Creed
29-Nov-17
Elkman, I'm no expert nor do I claim to me. I do however spend a lot of hours in the tree stand and I shoot a fair amount of deer. I like a small bow for it's ease of carry and use in the tree stand. I have found very little reason to use a longer bow for the hunting I do. Infact I was entirely put off by the Matthews trend for many years of long bows. For many many years my favorite hunting bow was the Mathews FX. Tiny little sucker but a killing machine. When I shot the Triax all I could see was how easy the bow would handle in the tree and through the woods and still have absolutely NO hand shock, smooth draw and nice, solid back wall. For my hunting I can't imagine a better fit.

But hey I'm no Pro

From: HDE
29-Nov-17
Only reason I have a longer ATA is the bow design. With changes today in cam design that allows the string angle to be effectively the result of a longer ATA, I would most definately get a shorter version. 34" is 34"...

From: splitlimb13
29-Nov-17
^^^^hahaha the dwarf staff..

From: Pat Lefemine
29-Nov-17
My review is done. It won't go live until I kill something with the bow. That may be tonight, or a month from now.

I was skeptical at first. I'm not a fan of small, fast bows because my form is far from perfect. But I like the Triax. I'm actually hunting a stand where I'm wedged up into pine limbs this afternoon. A longer bow won't work here. This little Triax is PERFECT for this spot! I shot it exceptionally well too. The comment about hand shock and quiet was my experience too. It's a terrific bow for stand and blind hunters.

BTW, I shot Bowtech prior to Mathews. Bought my wife a Hoyt, and always found the Elite's to be outstanding bows too. No Fanboy nonsense here. If Hoyt asked me to review their bow I'd be happy to - and it doesn't bother me one bit that Caitlyn Jenner is on Hoyts pro staff.

From: kota-man
29-Nov-17
Ouch...It hurts when Pat busts on my beloved Hoyt...I shot coffee through my nose on Matt's post though.

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17

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Lots of room in there for them short ATA bows.

Better yet I wonder how many Mathews ProStaff members could fit in that thing. I am going to go out on a limb and say half.

From: Brotsky
29-Nov-17
I like a short ATA bow because they are lighter, easier to pack, and....oohhh...aaahhh...nevermind :)

From: spike78
29-Nov-17
Lol Pat for the win.

From: HDE
29-Nov-17
"...Caitlyn Jenner is on Hoyts pro staff."

Well crap - now I have to boycott Hoyt and switch to something else!

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17
The only reason Caitlyn Jenner switched teams is well women like bigger things.

Short ATA short.....

From: 12yards
29-Nov-17
Are we actually making fun of Caitlyn Jenner? I thought we were a culture of respect here.

From: Brotsky
29-Nov-17
I'm waiting for Hoyt to come out with the Caitlyn Jenner model. Will they split the riser and turn it inside out?

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17
It’s all good 12yards. We are not laughing at her. We are laughing with her.

Brotsky, I heard it was a short ATA version since they didn’t have a lot to work with.

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17

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From: splitlimb13
29-Nov-17
Dirk I'm becoming a fan.... Brotsky that's the funniest thing I've ever heard

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17

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We better not forget about these guys.

29-Nov-17
Good one Brotsky, ha. If there was to be a mathews jenner, Not sure how well it would work out changing from the one stabilizer down low to two stabilizers up top

From: PECO
29-Nov-17

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You know you want one.

From: PECO
29-Nov-17

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You know you want one.

From: jordanathome
29-Nov-17
LOL....rock on PECO!!!

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Nov-17
Dude that’s a dude! I shouldn’t be surprised coming from the Mathews crowd though.

From: ELKMAN
30-Nov-17
Still not reading any "real tangible" advantages/reasons for shooting a short bow, but to each their own. And for those that are taking shots: Hoyt has made em too.

From: splitlimb13
30-Nov-17

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From: PECO
30-Nov-17
Keep your sister out of this

From: Ambush
30-Nov-17
I have to admit that Hoyt is very popular. At one 3D shoot I went to the bathrooms we’re labeled:

MEN

WOMEN

HOYTIST’s

From: Dirk Diggler
30-Nov-17

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From: Matt
30-Nov-17
"I have to admit that Hoyt is very popular. At one 3D shoot I went to the bathrooms we’re labeled: MEN

WOMEN

HOYTIST’s"

The probably had to label them because the prior year the Mathews shooters went into the bathrooms with urinals and were confused as to what they're for. ;-)

From: Pope125
30-Nov-17
I thought Archery Talk was bad with the stupid ass post .

From: Dirk Diggler
30-Nov-17

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From: splitlimb13
30-Nov-17
^^^^ hahahaha

From: Ambush
30-Nov-17
How is it you Hoyt guys know where to find all these pics?!?

From: Ucsdryder
30-Nov-17
Ambush that’s easy...that’s elkman and dirk in the picture!

From: Dirk Diggler
30-Nov-17

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From: Dirk Diggler
30-Nov-17

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From: Matt
01-Dec-17
"How is it you Hoyt guys know where to find all these pics?!? "

Do they follow you on FB? ;-)

From: ELKMAN
01-Dec-17
LMAO! You guys know how to find some crazy stuff! I've seen that Mathews trade show one a lot. (Pretty sure that one is actually real) ... ;-)

From: Dirk Diggler
01-Dec-17

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From: Ambush
01-Dec-17
Diggler, little wonder that little boy is crying about getting a Mathews. Notice that he is wearing a "Vancouver" T-shirt. Vancouver is Canada's San Francisco, if you know what I mean. Mathews is too "deplorable" to fit his crowd.

Matt, I don't have Facebook. I get all the news and facts need from Bowsite!!

From: PECO
01-Dec-17
If I see the trade show meme one more time, I'm going to start to question my sexuality.

From: Dirk Diggler
01-Dec-17

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From: Jack Harris
01-Dec-17
this was good for a laugh... I tried several new bows last summer (hoyt, elite, Matthews, bowtech) but none felt good enough for me to justify retiring the 2010 venerable old Z7.... I lot of deer have fallen to her, she's a bit on the heavy side and just like a heavier barrel on a rifle, she offers great stability with every shot. For those of you that feel Matthews bows are too heavy, might I suggest a better workout regimen and diet? Perhaps have your T-level checked?

From: splitlimb13
01-Dec-17
Jack I suggest anyone owning a Matthews get their T-Level checked !!! Hahahaha

From: spike78
01-Dec-17
Shot the Triax today and it was a sweet shooting bow. The weight was well balanced and the draw was very smooth. At 70 pounds I expected it to draw harsh but it did not. It has a small hump at the end but rolls easily into it. This is coming from an Elite shooter that was never keen on Mathews.

From: 3dirtdevils
01-Dec-17
Hang Onto Your Toy

From: bb
01-Dec-17
"Riddle me this: What is the hardest thing about shooting a Mathews bow?"

"Explaining to your dad that you are gay"

No explanation necessary...just show him the bow.

They do make good jack handles though

From: dg72a
05-Dec-17

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Just saw this and had to put it here... lmfao

From: PECO
05-Dec-17
^^^ That's the best one yet!

From: 12yards
07-Dec-17
Nice review Pat. Honestly I'm sure it's a nice bow and a great shooter but I don't know if I'd even be tempted to shoot it. If I shot any it would be the Halon 32, but that one is just a bit heavier than I like. I've noticed with a bad bow shoulder, it's just nicer to shoot a lighter bow. All that said, you shot it great! And I gotta ask, how many arrows did you lose in the snow?

From: Bowfreak
07-Dec-17

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I'm not a fan of these little bows by any manufacturer but I think if you have a DL at 29" or less it might be a good option. I do think that Mathews has really put out some nice bows in the last few years and for the first time since their existence I actually considered buying one when the Halon 32 came out. All of this banter back and forth made me think of this....LOL!

From: spike78
07-Dec-17
Great review Pat. I’ve never been interested in Mathews before due to cult following but honestly this is the first bow I’ve seen from Mathews that I think I really want. Now the only question is get it now or wait a year for Ebay? Decisions decisions

From: HDE
07-Dec-17
Does this one have a 1/2" valley like some of the others I've had (wanting to take off)?

From: spike78
07-Dec-17
HDE I’m kind of disappointed in myself because when I shot this bow at the shop I never tried to let it down and only fired it so now I wish I knew. I love the back wall on my Elite but hate letting it down. It’s damn scary up in the stand lol.

From: JTV
07-Dec-17
$1100 for a 28" bow ??? ... your kidding ?? ... there is NOTHING this bow can do, that my venerable '06 Ally cant do .....

From: Pat Lefemine
07-Dec-17
I’ve drawn and let it down dozens of times. It’s not bad at all! Not quite as easy as the NoCam but that bow was incredible to let down off the wall.

From: HDE
07-Dec-17
I'm still searching for the "Shangri-La" of bows...

From: spike78
07-Dec-17
JTV $999 at my local shop which is on par to all the rest.

07-Dec-17

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If short axel to axel is a positive I think a mainstream manufacturer should do something like this.

From: spike78
07-Dec-17
Liberty Archery makes those bows.

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