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Hadley Creek BUSTED !!
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JTV 22-Nov-17
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From: JTV
22-Nov-17

JTV's Link
Well now ... the famous or infamous outfitters and owners of Hadley Creek in Illinois along with hunters have been hit with multiple citations...most are for ILLEGAL BAITING .... Illinois did have 17 counties with CWD I believe or threats from it .... just how will these TV hunters and others be able to kill deer with out bait ?? ...see link

From: JTV
22-Nov-17
Hadley Creek charged with baiting WED, NOVEMBER 15, 2017 BARRY, IL – Illinois Department of Natural Resources Conservation Police have issued more than 50 citations and warnings for illegal deer hunting and related offenses this month. The illegal activity was discovered during enforcement details in Pike and Adams counties on Nov. 8-9.

Conservation Police officers focused on activities on deer hunting properties managed by Hadley Creek Outfitters, based in Barry, IL, including the unlawful feeding of white-tailed deer, and allowing clients to hunt deer over a baited area.

During the enforcement detail, Conservation Police officers confirmed approximately 6,400 acres were baited and unlawful to hunt in Pike and Adams counties. Bait is defined as any material, whether liquid or solid, including food, salt, mineral, and other products that can be ingested, placed, or scattered in such a manner as to attract or lure white-tailed deer. The illegal areas were baited with trophy rocks, mineral licks, piled corn, and corn scattered among food plots.

Hadley Creek managers, guides, and clients were cited for multiple violations of feeding deer and hunting over baited areas. Officers working the detail also came across additional violations in the area which were committed by hunters who were not involved with hunting on Hadley Creek properties.

Violations discovered during the detail included: Unlawful Feeding of White-tailed Deer, Unlawfully Hunting White-tailed Deer over a Baited Area, Transportation of an Uncased Bow and Firearm, Unlawful Possession of Untagged Deer, Unlawful Possession of Another Individual’s Deer Permit, Failure to Report Deer Harvest Same Day as Kill, and Falsification of Residency to Obtain Permits. Illinois Conservation Police officers issued 46 citations and 7 written warnings during the detail.

Illinois has taken a proactive approach to prevent the further spread of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD). It is unlawful to make available food, salt, mineral blocks or other products for ingestion by wild deer or other wildlife in areas where wild deer are present at any time. CWD is a fatal neurological disease of deer, elk, and moose. The disease is always fatal in deer and there is no treatment or cure. CWD is transmitted directly from one animal to another, and there is evidence that it also can be transmitted from contaminated places in the environment (for instance, a feeding area where saliva and excrement from an infected deer is present). CWD was first found in Illinois during the fall of 2002. The disease has been confirmed to be present in 17 northern Illinois counties.

From: midwest
22-Nov-17
Old news...

From: JTV
22-Nov-17
how is it old news... this came out on the 15th, one week back .... first Ive heard of it ... first many I know have heard of it ...

From: Destroyer350
22-Nov-17

Destroyer350's Link
Didn't get many responses but there was a thread on it last week.

From: JTV
22-Nov-17
I was busy sitting in a tree on vacation.... when I hunt, I dont play around on here ...

From: Don K
22-Nov-17
Best part is they busted them right before gun season and the clients could not gun hunt. Anytime one is busted for baiting the sites have to be cleaned up and cant be hunted for many days so the gun hunters could not hunt.

50 citations if these go through they should loose their license IMO

From: midwest
22-Nov-17
"Best part is they busted them right before gun season and the clients could not gun hunt."

I would feel bad for those clients who are completely innocent of any wrong doing.

From: midwest
22-Nov-17
Hope you killed a good one, JTV.

From: JL
22-Nov-17
If the IL DNR is worried about CWD transmission and unnatural things that congregate deer, they should also ban bait plots and water tanks. Banning baiting but not bait plots or tanks appears to be a conflicted rationale....at least to me.

22-Nov-17
Did you fellas catch what the artical said.............. 6,400 acres. I would assume are no longer huntable this year due to the baiting. I wonder if they had enough ground to fit all of the gun hunters?

From: Kodiak
22-Nov-17

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From: JTV
22-Nov-17
Midwest... not this time around... I killed a big doe on my first vacation ... this last one I passed on several smaller 1.5 yr olds and had chances at some nice does again, but passed on them... never did see what I wanted the 2nd vacation... came close to a nice one on the first vacation, but he turned on me while I was at full draw and walked off .. ..... my vacations are 9 days/including days off, 1st starts right before Halloween, runs 9 days, then the second, 1 week later for 9 days... the company wont let me take 'em back to back, so I split them .... I 'prolly did more all days sits this season than anytime in the last 5 .... I usually need a vacation to recoup from my vacations I'm so worn out ...lol ..

From: 1boonr
22-Nov-17
That’s right Jl lets ban all agriculture in Illinois

From: Matt
22-Nov-17
This put a bit of a smile on my face. There is a place here in CA that needs this treatment. I can't speak to Hadley Creek, but lots of guys who book with the local outfit know about the baiting and look the other way - anything to get a species for the magical 29. I am sure some of the gun hunters referenced above got burned by this, but you wonder how many are return hunters who rolled the dice and lost...

23-Nov-17
CWD is going to spread no matter what, we proved that coming out of Saskatchewan and into Southern Alberta, spread across the prairies of Alberta with no small food plots or baiting, they even spent over a million dollars killing the deer with helicopters, still it heads east and North.

From: Don K
23-Nov-17
"I would feel bad for those clients who are completely innocent of any wrong doing."

Yes that would not be good. I was looking at the Outfitter loosing all that income.

From: midwest
23-Nov-17
LOL @ Kodiak!

From: linehunter
23-Nov-17
Transportation of an uncased bow? Ru kidding me? Wth danger is there in an uncased bow? Sorry for the rant a little too much Sangiovese ??

23-Nov-17
linehunter - same law here in MI. Kind of silly to me, but all bows must be in a case.

From: JL
24-Nov-17
Hunt, IMO the Michigan hunting regs need to be overhauled by a citizen's group to get rid of the "gotcha" rules and ones like the bow case rule.

From: BTM
24-Nov-17
Nice reference, Kodiak! (Great movie.) Wonder how many whippersnappers will get it.

From: XMan
24-Nov-17
Not defending the outfitter here but the older combines don't work well when cutting corn that didn't grow to maturity, those cobs and kernels end up scattered all over a cut field. This year with the drought, lots of cut corn still laying in the fields. Not sure why the outfitter would need to pour corn on the ground, makes little sense with all the ag left around this year. Possibly overzealous Epo write-ups here with an axe to grind with this outfitter?

24-Nov-17
Bob, LE being over-zealous? Not a chance! The NFL protests put an end to that, right?

Valid point you make. My farmer has a 20 year old combine, which after seeing how much waste there was, I am happy.

From: XMan
24-Nov-17
Ha! Yup, same here Frank, its the most I have ever seen.

From: Topgun 30-06
24-Nov-17
linehunter - same law here in MI. Kind of silly to me, but all bows must be in a case.

Here in MI you can't even lean an unloaded gun against a vehicle the way the law is written. A friend of a friend did that while he and his buddies were getting their cases out of their truck after a hunt to put them away and a dick GW came up and wrote the guy a ticket for it. Guns must be unloaded and in a case here during transport while out in Wyoming where I go every year you can have one loaded with one in the chamber while you're driving! What a difference between the two states!

From: Don K
24-Nov-17
Overzealous? Doubt it, probably like any other bust they write up everything possible because something will get tossed when they plea or go to court.

My guess is they are more concerned with the Unlawful Possession of Untagged Deer, Unlawful Possession of Another Individual’s Deer Permit, Failure to Report Deer Harvest Same Day as Kill, and Falsification of Residency to Obtain Permits.

Those are pretty serious

From: Medicinemann
24-Nov-17
Yikes....I have never heard of a citation for an uncased bow......just so I am up to speed, are there any other states that have this requirement? While traveling across country to a hunt, my bow is always cased, but during the hunt, I frequently have it on the back seat of my pickup truck. If anyone knows of other states where this applies, please post them on here.....

From: Buglmin
24-Nov-17
Colorado has that law as well for ATV's, and they strictly enforce it!! Recurves or longbows have to be unstrung if on an ATV or UTV.

From: Shawn
24-Nov-17
Totally different hunting cut fields with left over or scattered corn. Baiting concentrates the deer in a very specific area and it always makes for an easy bow shot distance. Sorry but I am someone who does not agree with baiting in most parts of the country and not because of the risk of spreading disease. Shawn

From: wackmaster2
24-Nov-17
must be cased in MN after shooting hours.

24-Nov-17
Let me tell ya, when i hunted there in the early 2000's the owner of Hadley creek had all new farming equipment and i would bet he still has top if the line machinery today.

As for having your bow cased, we had to have ours cased or fixed in a way that prevented they from being shot. Most guys placed their release strap around the string and cables. We also had to keep them in the back of the truck bed during travel.

25-Nov-17
Medicine man,,Illinois has the uncased bow law,,2 of my hunting buddy's found out the hard way,,,

From: kota-man
25-Nov-17
#2

From: JTV
25-Nov-17
ttt

From: LBshooter
25-Nov-17
Well, they state that their secrect to quality animals Is they let 2&3 years old walk and have a 140 min, and if you shoot below 140 it's an additional 1,000 dollars. Just what I want should be an enjoyable hunt, pay 5k and then the stress of figuring out if a deer is 140, or it's a fine. Now, I guess their motto can be our secret is "We Bait'em" or " We Poach'em". So the true secret is out, all the tv celebs and anyone else who has shot a deer there in the past did so illegally, they just didn't get caught. Maybe some of the farmers down there will be discussed by this news and end their relationship. Hope the fines add up to a healthy sum, scumbags.

25-Nov-17
Thats a strong statement there LB. I killed 2 there and my buddy killed 1 back in the early 2000's before their rapid expansion and popularity. You still think we did something illegal? Got proof?

25-Nov-17
In IL, a bow sling will meet case requirements. I think the law is silly, but you don't have to have a hard sided case that you shuffle around with you.

From: LBshooter
26-Nov-17
Grunt-N-Gobble, strong statement and maybe should have qualified it with recently. However, your a victim of the association with an outfitter who is now known as a poaching outfitter, unfortunately for you and every other honest Hunter. Even though you may not have seen the bait how do you know there wasn't any?

From: lou sckaunt
26-Nov-17
poaches gonna poach.

26-Nov-17
Seems unfair to be guilty by association for recent events. The outfitter could have been excellent in years past with plenty of people who would vouch for them.

That doesn't mean their operation today will have the same experience as it provided for hunters in the past. IMHO that is why outfitter reports are critical, especially updated so fellow hunters have the latest information when making an expensive decision.

26-Nov-17
LB - Im not a victim of anyone. Can you 100% guaranty that you have never associated with anyone that at the time was always on the up & up but then turned to illegal activites after your association ended?

But you are right. I cannot 100% say there wasnt any bait around. But then who can with any outfitter anyone has ever hunted with? What i can say is that in my travels to and from stands and while tracking the bucks i shot and the one my friend shot, we saw nothing that would make us think the area was baited.

From: LBshooter
26-Nov-17
Grunt, as I stated, I should have said recently, my error. Sorry if you took offense, not my intent. However, the stigma that is now attached to that outfitter and deer killed out of that. Outfitt will always be suspect of being baited. Unfortunately for the honest hunters who may have been duped, it's a shame. I hope that if any of the true hunters out there sees this outfitter at the shows they will let it be known what scum they are. Just think of the fine a paying client who was unaware of bait is going to have to pay?

From: Arrowone
26-Nov-17
I’m sure of the hunters were innocent victims here. But I’m sure some knew of the baiting as well. This outfitter has had various problems for years. Look at the outfitter reports and you find a lot of one star reviews. It doesn’t take much research to figure out this is an outfitter to stay away from.

26-Nov-17
Time will tell if HC survives this. These offenses will show up for years on internet searches. If you go back far enough, you can find other offenses on a couple of HC individuals, but those were before the outfitting days if i remember correctly. I didnt learn of them until a few years after hunting there. I doubt the Durys knew of them, but it makes me wonder why we dont see DOD and HC together on the tube anymore.

Its ashame that possibly several hundred hunters were unknowingly hunting illegally. Im sure some knew but most probably didnt and if they are just learning this news, i can only imagine whats going through their heads.

From: Hunting5555
27-Nov-17
Ok, Illinois case law in short.....

Can be in a soft case or hard case. Heck, it can be a laundry bag tied shut.

You can put an actual lock around your string and cables, or a zip tie.

Somebody mentioned a release..... We have been told that a release strap with an actual buckle is OK but a release strap with just Velcro is not.... Personally, the whole release thing will be up to the LEO you are dealing with. I would not risk it.

This is for transport in a vehicle. Have been told it applies to ATV's as well.

You are allowed an uncased bow after shooting hours while traveling from your hunting spot to your vehicle. Just don't have an arrow nocked.

And I'll throw this in cause people from out of state get busted every year for it..... Poisoned arrow use is not allowed in Illinois. Every year they bust guys who have their broadheads covered by condoms because of having poison applied.

From: stackem up
05-Dec-17
if you want to hunt over bait , hunt in the states that allow it. Like Kansas that's where I kill them at. I hope they pull the rug from under them.

From: MT in MO
05-Dec-17
Is there anyplace that allows poison arrows? I thought that was illegal everywhere in the USA.

From: Bowriter
06-Dec-17
LOL re the cased bow law. many years ago, I was hunting in IL with the then, head of the DNR. I was walking out of the woods one evening and a game warden was waiting at the truck. He quickly said I was in violation as my bow was not rendered inoperable. I handed it to him and said, "Let' see you shoot it." He aid, "Where are your arrows? I had left my quiver in the tree as I planned to hunt there there next morning. I said, "I don't believe you can shoot a bow without an arrow, so, it is inoperable. But if you like, come back to camp with me and we can ask my host..." I named the director and that was the end of the discussion.

From: NYBOB
06-Dec-17
The last time I hunted NB with Chase I think they had a casing law

From: milnrick
06-Dec-17
NB does have a "cased bow" requirement.

From: Thornton
07-Dec-17
Only way most guys can shoot anything is over bait. Its getting downright pathetic.

From: t-roy
07-Dec-17
Or....use a rifle.

From: JTV
07-Dec-17
I have no problem with one using a firearm... I do have issues with the dump it and they will come crowd and that mind set ....

From: Thornton
08-Dec-17
T-roy. I stalk deer with a rifle in open country when I use one. At least I don't have to trail them across my corn pile in the hopes I made a good hit

From: t-roy
08-Dec-17
Corn piles illegal in Iowa.

From: Ned
08-Dec-17
You can't bait bear in most states any more, I don't know why some states allow baiting and some don't. Bottom line is, you're not a very good outfitter/guide if you have to bait deer. It's just becoming too competitive and there's so much money involved any more, that people are willing to jeopardize their integrity and reputation to make money. Here in Ohio, you can bait on private land but not on public (thankfully cause all I hunt is public) ? Just make it illegal everywhere IMO.

From: stackem up
14-Dec-17
Hunting over bait is perfect. If its not broke don't fix it. Come and live in Michigan and see how far you get without it. Let me some up it up for you. Going home with nothing

14-Dec-17
What do the deer eat in Michigan besides bait?

From: Genesis
14-Dec-17
" Come and live in Michigan and see how far you get without it." Done been to too many states and Mexico blind to get deer to walk under me,bet Michigan is the same.Pull cards much?I would suggest stop and scout

From: JTV
14-Dec-17
Michigan ?? .... hell, I Bow hunted the UP for several years, killed deer, no bait needed ....

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