Summit Treestands
Colorado scouting service
Mule Deer
Contributors to this thread:
LKH 05-Dec-17
LKH 05-Dec-17
cnelk 05-Dec-17
Jaquomo 05-Dec-17
brettpsu 05-Dec-17
longspeak74 05-Dec-17
LKH 05-Dec-17
South Farm 06-Dec-17
LKH 06-Dec-17
cnelk 06-Dec-17
APauls 06-Dec-17
Branden 06-Dec-17
LKH 06-Dec-17
OFFHNTN 07-Dec-17
Branden 07-Dec-17
LKH 07-Dec-17
South Farm 07-Dec-17
Jahvada 08-Dec-17
mathewshooter 08-Dec-17
wkochevar 08-Dec-17
Quinn @work 08-Dec-17
LUNG$HOT 08-Dec-17
OFFHNTN 08-Dec-17
Quinn @work 08-Dec-17
Buglmin 08-Dec-17
Ucsdryder 08-Dec-17
LKH 08-Dec-17
Buglmin 08-Dec-17
txhunter58 09-Dec-17
Manager 09-Dec-17
Buglmin 09-Dec-17
Brun 09-Dec-17
Jaquomo 09-Dec-17
IdyllwildArcher 09-Dec-17
Brun 09-Dec-17
txhunter58 09-Dec-17
Jahvada 12-Dec-17
APauls 12-Dec-17
Grasshopper 12-Dec-17
Ollie 12-Dec-17
IdyllwildArcher 12-Dec-17
Grasshopper 12-Dec-17
00rowe 12-Dec-17
Branden 13-Dec-17
Mule Power 13-Dec-17
wkochevar 13-Dec-17
Mule Power 13-Dec-17
Jahvada 13-Dec-17
00rowe 13-Dec-17
Inshart 13-Dec-17
txhunter58 13-Dec-17
Branden 13-Dec-17
Mule Power 14-Dec-17
Jahvada 14-Dec-17
Orion 14-Dec-17
txhunter58 14-Dec-17
From: LKH
05-Dec-17
I have lost my contact information for the fellow who does hunt scouting for pay. Anyone know who does this???

From: LKH
05-Dec-17

From: cnelk
05-Dec-17
Hey Lou Jaquomo....

Sounds like a retirement opportunity... :)

From: Jaquomo
05-Dec-17
Last time I scouted for big muleys I ended up killing a big whitetail... So Larry would probably want his money back!

From: brettpsu
05-Dec-17
Does Robby Denning do Colorado? What about Brian Latturner?

From: longspeak74
05-Dec-17
There's a couple guys on Wapititalk.com that you might be thinking of.

From: LKH
05-Dec-17
I've got the right people. Thanks

From: South Farm
06-Dec-17
That would be me. I charge a nominal $500/day plus expenses, 50% down deposit up front or I won't even lace up my boots.

In all seriousness, if you don't find the guy you're really looking for my offer stands!

From: LKH
06-Dec-17
Why would I want a guy from Minniesnowtah to guide me.

From: cnelk
06-Dec-17
Im from Colorado but my prices are higher than South Farm's

From: APauls
06-Dec-17
I'm in the wrong business...

From: Branden
06-Dec-17
There was a guy on here last year that used a Colorado scouting service. He killed a nice buck with the velvet torn up if I remember right. I would look back through the posts from last year and ask him who he used.

From: LKH
06-Dec-17
Thanks to all, but I found the contact info.

From: OFFHNTN
07-Dec-17

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Branden, that was me.

LKH - Let me know if you still need another contact for this.

From: Branden
07-Dec-17
Yep that’s the pic I was thinking of. Great looking buck.

LKH who are you looking at using?

From: LKH
07-Dec-17

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Antler Quest. I want a good hunt with a chance of killing an old buck. I'll be just short of 71 when I go. I've killed a couple of very good muleys with rifle and a few decent ones with my longbow. I have 18 NR points which means my choices are almost unlimited. I don't have the time or inclination to make the trip to CO to scout a bunch of units.

Jeff Caldwell comes highly recommend, I don't want to leave the kids any money, so his fees aren't an issue for me.

There are a lot of you guys who would help me make choices and I appreciate it, but I've given my word to Jeff and I'll honor that.

Mostly I just want to have a good trip. If I kill an old buck, size optional, I'll consider that a bonus.

Larry

From: South Farm
07-Dec-17
LKH, I thought you were looking for someone to simply scout...You didn't say you wanted me to guide you...that's extra! ;)

From: Jahvada
08-Dec-17
I will just leave this here... Kinda amazing how antler size will make folks support a convicted poacher. Hey what every it takes right boys??! Below is the press release about it from the CPW. Good luck on your hunt...

Jeff Coldwell 43, of Firestone Colorado, of Antler Quest, has pleaded guilty to poaching charges as well as leaving the poached deer to rot.

Jeff Coldwell pleaded guilty to illegal possession of 3 or more in Weld county. In addition to the foritfiture of the illigally taken wildlife he forfeited his muzzleloader and the court fined him $7,500 with 36 months probation. Coldwell also pled guilty to abuse of public records in Adams County and received a 2 year deferred sentence for false statements made regarding a bear license. The courts donated a portion of his fine to Operation Game Thief.

The abuses also led the Colorado Wildlife Commission to suspend Coldwell’s privilege of applying for, purchasing, or exercising the benefits conferred by all DOW licenses for 20 years. His license privileges are also suspended in 22 Wildlife Violator Compact states.

It all began with a hunch. Wildlife Officer Windi Padia contacted Jeff Coldwell while on ATV patrol in Game Management Unit 20 during the 2005 muzzleloader season. Coldwell had a muzzleloader, but no hunting license in his possession. Noticing a clump of deer hair near his truck, Padia inquired further, but Coldwell denied taking a deer. Coldwell was visibly nervous throughout the contact and told Padia he had been hunting with a family member who had a deer license for GMU 18, about seven miles to the west and over the Continental Divide. After checking the records for Coldwell’s license, Officer Padia found that it was valid for GMU 20 only.

Additional Wildlife Officers, Aimee Ryel and John Koehler, were engaged to conduct interviews in Coldwell’s hometown, whereupon he admitted he had taken a large mule deer buck illegally in GMU 18 and had already transported the cape out of the unit by backpack. Another deer was shot by the licensed family member and both animals were left to rot. Officers hiked to the kill site and located the trophy-quality skinned buck, as well as a quartered buck. The meat was only salvageable on one of the animals.

Now, the full arm of the law reached in--a search warrant was obtained for Coldwell’s residence yielding evidence that Coldwell used another family member's license to tag a buck in 2000. Padia seized Coldwell’s computer and found further evidence of a wildlife violation--emails from Coldwell showed that he had gone bear hunting in 2005 and finding that people were camped near his hunting spot, promptly told a representative from the DOW that he was not able to go on his bear hunt due to medical issues. Six bear preference points were reinstated to Coldwell based on his statements. This fraudulent activity led Officer Padia to charge him with abuse of public records. After disposition of the case in Adams County, his bear preference points were revoked.

In connection with the case, two members of Jeff Coldwell’s family have received citations for wildlife violations and have chosen to pay their fines.

One poaching leads to proof of another

Evidence also seized from Coldwell’s computer revealed information from a 2003 Trophy Hunter magazine article depicting Coldwell in Fox Park, also in GMU 18, with a harvested buck. This evidence prompted Officer Padia to obtain another search warrant for his residence. The buck in question was seized and it was determined that Coldwell poached it in 2003 in GMU 18 during muzzleloader season. He did not have a license for GMU 18 that year.

“Transferring licenses, a form of ‘party hunting’, has severely negative impacts on our wildlife,” said Officer Windi Padia. “Hunting opportunities are regulated for a reason—any additional opportunity created by a poacher is one less opportunity for an ethical hunter. Everyone who values our wildlife should know that poaching doesn’t pay.”

You can help stop poaching. If you see a poaching incident, report it. Poaching is a crime against you, your neighbor, and everyone else in the state of Colorado. Call 1-877-COLO-OGT toll-free or Verizon cell phone users can just dial #OGT. If you'd like, you can e-mail us at game.thief@state.co.us .

08-Dec-17
What a scumbag!! He should not be allowed to step in the woods!!!

From: wkochevar
08-Dec-17
I thought that name sounded familiar....buyer be ware and good luck!

From: Quinn @work
08-Dec-17
Jeff can’t step in the woods with his hunters. Probably part of his sentence? He specifically states he is not a guide and won’t be with his clients

Was surprised to see at least 1 pope and young member , self proclaimed DIY public land, bowsite hero on Jeff’s “bragging board” a couple times.

From: LUNG$HOT
08-Dec-17
Yeah that’s no good! He’d be the last guy I ever used for anything hunting related.

From: OFFHNTN
08-Dec-17
This was 12 years ago. I hope people don't hang me out to dry for some of the things I did 12 years ago. I talked to Jeff about this years ago, he fully admits to wrong doing, feels extremely bad and embarrassed by it, and says he got in over his head with the thrill of big antlers. He lost his hunting license for 20 years in CO, and was suspended from hunting in 22 others through the Wildlife Violator Compact States. He all but dropped off the map except for his love of photography and wanting to help others out through his scouting service. No, he does not go afield with hunters. He sends you maps, pictures, info, etc. and sends you on your way.

From: Quinn @work
08-Dec-17
OFFHNTN- Of course he feels that way. He was one of the ones who got caught. Doesn't matter how long ago he was a poacher. He's still a convicted poacher. At least he didn't come out after the charges saying he found Jesus so everything is good now. I wouldn't give him a dime.

From: Buglmin
08-Dec-17
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but if the guy is providing you with a service and collecting money, he needs to be a registered outfitter in the state of Colorado....

From: Ucsdryder
08-Dec-17
I hope after seeing this nobody would go close to this guy.

From: LKH
08-Dec-17
You all can quit flogging this. I'll do what I do. Glad to see there is still forgiveness and understanding that once a person pays their debt, they get a second chance.

Just in case you miss it, that's sarcasm.

From: Buglmin
08-Dec-17
I'm not flogging nothing, just stated that if someone is providing a service and getting paid for it, then according to Fish and Game, he has to be a registered outfitter in Colorado. And if he was convicted, then he can't be a registered outfitter.

From: txhunter58
09-Dec-17
You don't have to be a licensed/registered outfitter to provide scouting services in Colorado. If he were doing anything illegal with his scouting business, he would have been stopped years ago

From: Manager
09-Dec-17
I agree with Buglmin. If providing any hunting; fishing; float trips; scouting; etc services (that are not on your own private land) for compensation in Colorado. You must be registered; insured; bonded as an outfitter with the State of Colorado.

From: Buglmin
09-Dec-17
You need to read the status of an outfitter in the state of Colorado and new Mexico. Because he is providing services and getting paid, he must be a licensed outfitter. And, because he is on the national forest, he must a permit area or use day permits. Basically, anyone that uses his services are considered clients. As for being stopped for offering his services, the Colorado State Board of Outfitters didn't know what he was doing. Because of his prior convictions, he can never be a licensed outfitter in Colorado again.

From: Brun
09-Dec-17
This is an interesting topic, but I'm not sure if the answer is as clear cut as it seems. It seems to me that he is selling information, which is not necessarily a service, and that may be legal without an outfitting license. The point that has been made about operating on National Forest or BLM is however, in my opinion a different matter. As I understand it, any activity done for profit on these lands requires a special use permit. That might include taking pictures and selling them to clients. Having said that however, it does seem like a lot of photographers take pictures on public lands and sell them individually, or in books, calendars, etc. I wonder if they all have special use permits? It's also possible for someone to get a use permit if they are not a licensed outfitter. In order to get a use permit you have to show proof of insurance that indemnifies the federal government. You may also need to be bonded, which could be a problem for this guy with his convictions, but I'm not sure it's a requirement. It's also possible that another person could be a partner and they could be the one who is bonded. So even if this guy might be considered an undesirable character it's possible that what he is doing is legal. I'd be interested to hear other interpretations of this.

From: Jaquomo
09-Dec-17
What Buglemin said. My game warden friend just told me if Coldwell is contracting with hunters and scouting for animals on National Forest and accepting money for the service he needs to have an outfitter license. He said with his prior record he likely won't be licensed, so he is probably "circumventing the law" (his words)..

So if you use him, be careful and check everything out. You could end up being charged with hiring an illegal outfitter.

09-Dec-17
If someone who has a tag and asks him to go to this drainage and that drainage and take pictures of all the wildlife he sees, then I think that you could make a case for saying he’s a payed scout/photographer and he’d just need the Ntl Forest permit. But if he’s just seeking out big bucks and selling the coordinates, I mean, that’s exactly what guides do...

As far as his past sins, I have to say, at 39 years old, if I could travel back in time 15-20 yrs, I would whoop my own ass for some of the crap I knowingly did that I deeply regret and would never repeat. But I don’t blame anyone for steering clear of him for what he did.

From: Brun
09-Dec-17
Sounds like that's a pretty definitive answer. I just checked his website and he is certainly offering to make contracts with hunters to scout for animals. I can't believe he would be able to get an outfitting license when he has lost hunting privileges for 20 years. Unless he's found some kind of loophole[someone else holds the license and he is working for them?] then it should be really easy for CPW to check on this. Jacquomo, I hope your friend will look into this, I'm really curious how a convicted game law offender has been able to openly get away with this so long.

From: txhunter58
09-Dec-17
You may not like it or agree with it, but I guarantee you that the people at the CPW are aware of his business and if he were doing anything illegal, they would shut him down.

Check this one out: http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/26791.html#57

Post of people ragging on "Founder" the owner of Monstermulies website for doing the same thing antlerquest is doing. Check out his responses # 50 and #57. And FYI, the bill introduced in Wyoming to stop this kind of thing: HOUSE BILL NO. HB0229 passed the house, but that is as far as it got

From: Jahvada
12-Dec-17
Scouting packages is a dirty, slippery loop hole the type of arena a ex poacher who has not served his debt to socity can flourish... Something that the CPW needs to look at IMO.

Tex is right as it is dirty as all get up, unethical in most folks eyes, but not totally illegal depending on the angle you take to look at it. So the CPW needs to take a long look at it from all angles and in the end could get some much needed $ from regulating scouters the same way as outfitters.

More than a few folks I talk with feel it is time a well written citizens petition should be presented to the CPW on a much needed change. Time for DIY hunters who actually work for their animal to support limiting "scouting" packages.. Best way would be to get with a couple of well connected outfitters and get some language we all can support to put in place to curtail what is yea not quite legal but not quite illegal deal - just dirty... If the state feels a few in certain units are needed fine regulate them on par with outfitters. That way hunters know they are not financing the trips of a convicted poacher.

I also believe any change will not effect any hard working hunters as lets call a spade a spade once you have a big deer found 90% of the work is done and the deer is basically handed to the hunter. Even more the case with these high country rifle hunts cater to this "lazy" crowd as with a gun that shoots 1000yds and a dot on a map it is a sure thing to kill that buck. Anyone could get the buck with the odds tilted so much in favor of them but that is what some DIY hunters need to get it done I guess.

My belief is you should find your own deer or use a outfitter licensed by the state as these "scouting" services" are just a way for the lazy to buy a deer then take the credit then claim DIY - that is laughable. In my eyes guys who buy scouting packages is on par with a Jon who buys a escort service to look cool at dinner.. Flat out EGO PERIOD...... I mean why not just go buy a mount and tell the neighbor you killed it kinda the same thing dont ya think?

Tx - how many unchecked, unlicensed, uninsured, "scouters" is too many in any given unit? 2,10,100?? I mean with no oversight, insurance, and in unlimited scope/number what could go wrong lol!

Best part is that anyone would cite mm site thanks for the laugh Tex! I believe the convicted poacher was quite popular over there and pry still is...

From: APauls
12-Dec-17
Don't break your leg falling off that horse Jahvada.

Not everyone is all about EGO PERIOD. I've never used such a service, but I can imagine it being a useful one to take. It is WAY different than a guided service. You run with a guide and you have someone you don't know doing all the work for you AND a guy who walks along with you every step of the way throughout the hunt and tells you to do this and that.

For a person who likes to hunt their own way, but is burning a pile of points and wants to ensure a good hunt, this seems like a great option. You get fastracked into a good area, but get to hunt your own way, do your own camp, make your own mistakes your own way. Very different than an outfitted hunt and "the same as buying a mount?" Camman. It's a legitimate option for people to take, if it needs to be regulated differently than so be it, whatever, but if I wanted to hunt an animal outfitted I've always felt that it would essentially be so that I could have access to an animal I cannot hunt otherwise, and I would love it if I could forego the rest of the help.

No it isn't "DIY" in a pure sense of the word, but neither is it if you get a tip from your buddy that he seen something good over in the next drain. If you get your panties in a wad about something other people claim, you're in for a long ride. Who cares if some guy claims DIY when it isn't. Liars are everywhere can't let it bug you. This type of service sounds like a legitimate option.

From: Grasshopper
12-Dec-17
If you look at the MODEL of how state LICENSING for real estate brokerage is regulated in Colorado, there are full service brokers, and discount brokerages that at one time tried to offer "limited services". After the "limited service" brokerage houses started popping up across the state, and complaints from the public started, the real estate commission, whose role is to protect the public at large, stepped in with regulations stating the minimum service level duty expectations shall not change regardless of the fee charged.

Seems like if guys are now entering the "limited service" outfitting industry, the regulatory body could perhaps step in much like the real estate commission did for brokers. Perhaps all "limited service" outfitters (scouting services) should have licensing requirements, meet a regulatory threshold including education, testing on the law at hand, background checks, and have regulatory remedies for complaints from the public. You can't be a convicted felon, and hold a real estate license in Colorado, it is done so to protect the public at large.

Those are solely my own opinions, based on being licensed by the state as a real estate broker, complying with regulations like an FBI background check, passing a test on the law, and annually meeting continuing education requirements to better serve the public.

From: Ollie
12-Dec-17
We all don't live in Colorado like you so we don't always have time to research and scout game lands. While I have never used a scouting service per se, I have gone on quite a few outfitted hunts where the guides/outfitter are responsible for locating the most productive places to hunt. Nothing wrong with wanting to spend your limited vacation time in an area where there is game rather than stumbling about your entire hunt without seeing anything.

12-Dec-17
I don't see any problem with the practice either, although I'm not sure that it's right to charge two different groups of people differently for doing the same thing...

In some states, it's no small thing to become a guide. It costs money, there are bonds and whatnot... To be a guide in AK, you have to have hunted in the state for 5 yrs, have taken a course, been along with and assisted a certain number of hunts/stalks, besides paying money to the state.

From: Grasshopper
12-Dec-17
CRS 12.55.5-102 states:

"Outfitter" means a person soliciting to provide or providing, for compensation, outfitting services for the purpose of hunting or fishing on land that the person does not own.

(5.5) "Outfitting services" means providing transportation of individuals, equipment, supplies, or wildlife by means of vehicle, vessel, or pack animal, facilities including but not limited to tents, cabins, camp gear, food, or similar supplies, equipment, or accommodations, and guiding, leading, packing, protecting, supervising, instructing, or training persons or groups of persons in the take or attempted take of wildlife.

I would think both AntlerQuest and Monstermulies "Founder" should be licensed Colorado outfitters to provide "scouting services" since they are providing supplies, wildlife, and instructing. Just my personal opinion.

From: 00rowe
12-Dec-17
I guess I have to "admit" to using Antlerquest. I live 14 hours away from Colorado, I had accumulated 14 preference points and wanted a little help as to where to start. So I got a map and some pictures as to a proven area to begin looking.

I hiked in, on my own, used my own gear, spotted my own deer, stalked the deer that I found, shot that deer, processed that deer on my own and hiked it out 6 miles to my truck.

Definitely not guided, not defending Jeff, but I think its a service that fills the "void" between guided and DIY when its not possible for some of us to scout like we should.

I guess I should now be licensed also because I have shared some of the information from that hunt with a few guys that may also be hunting that same area? Fishing hot spots are all over the internet, assuming this also happens in Colorado, do those guys need to be licensed?

If hunters are harvesting at too high of success rate then states to to further limit the tags available.

Mike

From: Branden
13-Dec-17
Some of these posts are laughable. As long as antler quest has been around I doubt it is illegal or he would be shut down by now.

Who cares if someone that uses a scouting service claims it was a diy hunt? Does that hurt anyone else if they aren’t telling the truth about it?

Jahvada why is a scouting package dirtier then using an outfitter? One of them holds your hand completely. Basically is all you have to do is pull the trigger with a good outfitter. A scouting package only supply’s info on an area. You have to actually get yourself there. Spot your own animal etc.

Jahvada so a guy that uses a scouting package is lazy? Some people would call them smart. It probably costs less money to use a scouting package then to fly, rent a car, use 2 days vacation so you can scout for an entire weekend. Idk what the package costs but I’m sure it’s a wash money wise plus it saves you a couple vacation days that you can use for family time or more hunting time. Also most guys that are in the type of shape that OFFHNTN is in I would not call lazy.

Are you calling bohuntr part of this lazy crowd? I know he has used Jeff before?

You guys need to get off your high horses. Why aren’t you bashing outfitters that do way more for a hunter then any scouting package does?

I’m sure everyone that is against scouting packages is against using an outfitter with hounds to shoot a mountain lion right? Because after the outfitter drives you around, let’s the dogs out on the tracks, and trees the cat, is all you do is walk up and shoot it. Doesn’t seem like it would even take a hunter to make that kill? More like a shooter is all you need. How bout outfitted bear hunts with bait. Outfitter has multiple locations pre baited. You show up, get driven to your stand, and shoot yogi when he walks in to eat a donut. Again doesn’t take much of a hunter. More like a shooter.

Buying a scouting package and killing an animal isn’t easier then shooting a cat out of a tree or shooting a bear over bait. So are we going to start calling these hunters lazy also?

I just can’t wrap my head around the fact most people against scouting packages are fine with fully outfitted hunts where the guide does everything for you. Crazy world we live in.

From: Mule Power
13-Dec-17
If passing on information in any form is a crime something is very wrong. Wtf!

From: wkochevar
13-Dec-17
00rowe, I think the difference people are talking about is you didn't get paid for sharing the info with whomever...at least you didn't indicate you did. therein lies the difference and subsequent requirements. K

From: Mule Power
13-Dec-17
What's the difference??? The way the outfitting laws and Forest Service regs read the line is drawn when you receive any key nd of compensation for providing a service ON PUBLIC LANDS such as national forest as well as accompanying a hunter while afield.

What if you stay at a hotel or rent a cabin and ask the owner if he can point you in the right direction? Who would consider that unethical or illegal? Ridiculous

From: Jahvada
13-Dec-17
Seems the good folks up in Wyoming feel pretty strong about open abuse that happens when "scouters" sell the GPS coordinates of big bucks... So strong that they introduced a bill about a week ago to stop it....

Great idea, bill, and step in the right direction. Colorado looks to follow suit soon and I am in full support of the Wyoming bill.

They sent it out via email about a week ago.. The web link went live yesterday and is below. Great to hear a similar movement is afoot in Colorado!

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2018/Introduced/HB0005.pdf

From: 00rowe
13-Dec-17
wkochevar, I kind of rambled there, but the earlier posts about MonsterMuleys Founder was what I was referring to as far as "sharing information" without being compensated.

From: Inshart
13-Dec-17
I think the bottom line here is that this guy is a poacher and should NOT be able to assist anyone "IN ANY WAY" with anything that has to do with hunting!

"Done your time" - "paid your debt to society" - now drift off and hunt on your own.

If you love the outdoors and photographing so much (as was stated), but PLEASE don't give anyone the BS that you are providing this service simply because of your love of the outdoors - if it was that darn important to you - do it for free then.

Simply put - He's doing this to for profit, because it's PROFITABLE!

Paid his debt to society - really - so then a convicted sexual predator that had raped 3 boy scouts gets out of prison after 15 years (paid his debt - as you put it) - now its okay for him to go back and be a troop leader simply because he loves to show the boys how to tie knots. REALLY!

From: txhunter58
13-Dec-17
Jahvada: I am no lawyer, but that "law" seems to me to be not worth the paper is it written on.

"a) No person shall advertise or provide to a hunter for remuneration the location and identification information of any previously scouted big or trophy game animal for the purpose of aiding the hunter in the taking of that specific previously scouted big or trophy game animal."

Talk about a law with a loopholes. So you don't sell location of a specific trophy animal, but a location where "you have seen some nice bucks". Wink, wink. If they want to pass a law that these people have to have some sort of an outfitters license, so be it, but this law will do nothing

From: Branden
13-Dec-17
Jahvada I see you posted again but never answered any of my questions. Why not?

From: Mule Power
14-Dec-17
TXHunter..... exactly!

From: Jahvada
14-Dec-17
Branden - you obviously know very little about outfitting in Colorado. Outfitters are regulated to a given area in a given unit, most report harvest to cpw, have insurance, have evacuation plans ect in place for clients, and are bonded...

They have to hold a outfitters license with the state and have actually quite a bit of over site from the CPW. There is 0, zip, nada oversight as to area or scope of "scouters". Or for example with no oversight a convicted poacher can be making a ton of $$$ on the wildlife of the state... So basically over site, accountability, and integrity are 3 big differences between outfitters and some of these "scouters"

I guess I believe what Officer Windi Padia said or “Hunting opportunities are regulated for a reason—any additional opportunity created by a poacher is one less opportunity for an ethical hunter. " Yep that sums it up for me.

Your tirade about lions/outfitters/bears not sure what you are getting at yea outfitters use dogs and get the quota every year around here and that is a good thing in my eyes.. I dont know either of the people you speak of above.

But now some of you guys have me thinking... Or I am seriously thinking about starting a web site with pictures of animals (mainly large mule deer) listed unit by unit where a hunter can bid and the highest bidder (with a reserve) wins the location on a given date. Landowners could post their tags for sale right along pics of the animals and get the most $$ out of the LO tag they were allocated. Great idea kinda a giant clearing house of animals where anyone could post a pic (for a 25% fee) and get paid big $$$. Me and a group of friends would add animals we find. Hunters could then watch in real time as pics would be updated and pick the animal they wanted with out leaving the comfort of their lazy boy recliner - that is if they could bid enough. I mean how much for a 160" buck, 170", at 180" the real money comes out - if you find a 200" put it up and get paid some real money!! Maybe just maybe we could sell every buck in a lot of basins and again make some great $$... Hows that sound Branden??

When it comes down to it the pimping of wildlife and bringing money into hunting is something most hunters despise but is unavoidable. Outfitters fill a needed roll in the process for some and are tightly regulated. Getting a giant muley is not supposed to be a easy task and many hunters as you say would rather spend money than do their own work and there is where I see the problem...

Or IMO it is getting to the time where Colorado needs to follow Wyoming's and put some regulations in place to regulate what is currently a wild wild west type of thing going on out there..

Tx good to see you are still chugging that mm kool-aid lol...

From: Orion
14-Dec-17
is bohntr going to comment on using a convicted poacher for information? Doesn't seem like someone so associated with pope and young should be involved in. I also can't believe how many guys are defending a convicted poacher

From: txhunter58
14-Dec-17
Jahv: You are drinking the cool aid if you think that law will do anything. What that does is pass something so the legislators can pat themselves on the back and say "we did something" but in reality, it doesn't stop what they are trying to stop. Surely you have to see how easy it would be to get around that law.

Good to know you are above all the riff raff over at MM. It is a damn good website but you are also drinking the cool aid if you think anyone tells me what to think. I posted the MM thread to back up the FACT that what is being done is not illegal. Nothing more, nothing less. And If you think that Jeff is welcome at MM still, you need to get your facts straight. He was "run out of town" over there when he got into trouble. The only person over there that tries to defend poachers is Tristate, and I will let you draw your own conclusions about him.

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