Sounds like a retirement opportunity... :)
In all seriousness, if you don't find the guy you're really looking for my offer stands!
LKH - Let me know if you still need another contact for this.
LKH who are you looking at using?
Jeff Caldwell comes highly recommend, I don't want to leave the kids any money, so his fees aren't an issue for me.
There are a lot of you guys who would help me make choices and I appreciate it, but I've given my word to Jeff and I'll honor that.
Mostly I just want to have a good trip. If I kill an old buck, size optional, I'll consider that a bonus.
Jeff Coldwell 43, of Firestone Colorado, of Antler Quest, has pleaded guilty to poaching charges as well as leaving the poached deer to rot.
Jeff Coldwell pleaded guilty to illegal possession of 3 or more in Weld county. In addition to the foritfiture of the illigally taken wildlife he forfeited his muzzleloader and the court fined him $7,500 with 36 months probation. Coldwell also pled guilty to abuse of public records in Adams County and received a 2 year deferred sentence for false statements made regarding a bear license. The courts donated a portion of his fine to Operation Game Thief.
The abuses also led the Colorado Wildlife Commission to suspend Coldwell’s privilege of applying for, purchasing, or exercising the benefits conferred by all DOW licenses for 20 years. His license privileges are also suspended in 22 Wildlife Violator Compact states.
It all began with a hunch. Wildlife Officer Windi Padia contacted Jeff Coldwell while on ATV patrol in Game Management Unit 20 during the 2005 muzzleloader season. Coldwell had a muzzleloader, but no hunting license in his possession. Noticing a clump of deer hair near his truck, Padia inquired further, but Coldwell denied taking a deer. Coldwell was visibly nervous throughout the contact and told Padia he had been hunting with a family member who had a deer license for GMU 18, about seven miles to the west and over the Continental Divide. After checking the records for Coldwell’s license, Officer Padia found that it was valid for GMU 20 only.
Additional Wildlife Officers, Aimee Ryel and John Koehler, were engaged to conduct interviews in Coldwell’s hometown, whereupon he admitted he had taken a large mule deer buck illegally in GMU 18 and had already transported the cape out of the unit by backpack. Another deer was shot by the licensed family member and both animals were left to rot. Officers hiked to the kill site and located the trophy-quality skinned buck, as well as a quartered buck. The meat was only salvageable on one of the animals.
Now, the full arm of the law reached in--a search warrant was obtained for Coldwell’s residence yielding evidence that Coldwell used another family member's license to tag a buck in 2000. Padia seized Coldwell’s computer and found further evidence of a wildlife violation--emails from Coldwell showed that he had gone bear hunting in 2005 and finding that people were camped near his hunting spot, promptly told a representative from the DOW that he was not able to go on his bear hunt due to medical issues. Six bear preference points were reinstated to Coldwell based on his statements. This fraudulent activity led Officer Padia to charge him with abuse of public records. After disposition of the case in Adams County, his bear preference points were revoked.
In connection with the case, two members of Jeff Coldwell’s family have received citations for wildlife violations and have chosen to pay their fines.
One poaching leads to proof of another
Evidence also seized from Coldwell’s computer revealed information from a 2003 Trophy Hunter magazine article depicting Coldwell in Fox Park, also in GMU 18, with a harvested buck. This evidence prompted Officer Padia to obtain another search warrant for his residence. The buck in question was seized and it was determined that Coldwell poached it in 2003 in GMU 18 during muzzleloader season. He did not have a license for GMU 18 that year.
“Transferring licenses, a form of ‘party hunting’, has severely negative impacts on our wildlife,” said Officer Windi Padia. “Hunting opportunities are regulated for a reason—any additional opportunity created by a poacher is one less opportunity for an ethical hunter. Everyone who values our wildlife should know that poaching doesn’t pay.”
You can help stop poaching. If you see a poaching incident, report it. Poaching is a crime against you, your neighbor, and everyone else in the state of Colorado. Call 1-877-COLO-OGT toll-free or Verizon cell phone users can just dial #OGT. If you'd like, you can e-mail us at email@example.com .
Was surprised to see at least 1 pope and young member , self proclaimed DIY public land, bowsite hero on Jeff’s “bragging board” a couple times.
Just in case you miss it, that's sarcasm.
So if you use him, be careful and check everything out. You could end up being charged with hiring an illegal outfitter.
As far as his past sins, I have to say, at 39 years old, if I could travel back in time 15-20 yrs, I would whoop my own ass for some of the crap I knowingly did that I deeply regret and would never repeat. But I don’t blame anyone for steering clear of him for what he did.
Check this one out: http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/26791.html#57
Post of people ragging on "Founder" the owner of Monstermulies website for doing the same thing antlerquest is doing. Check out his responses # 50 and #57. And FYI, the bill introduced in Wyoming to stop this kind of thing: HOUSE BILL NO. HB0229 passed the house, but that is as far as it got
Tex is right as it is dirty as all get up, unethical in most folks eyes, but not totally illegal depending on the angle you take to look at it. So the CPW needs to take a long look at it from all angles and in the end could get some much needed $ from regulating scouters the same way as outfitters.
More than a few folks I talk with feel it is time a well written citizens petition should be presented to the CPW on a much needed change. Time for DIY hunters who actually work for their animal to support limiting "scouting" packages.. Best way would be to get with a couple of well connected outfitters and get some language we all can support to put in place to curtail what is yea not quite legal but not quite illegal deal - just dirty... If the state feels a few in certain units are needed fine regulate them on par with outfitters. That way hunters know they are not financing the trips of a convicted poacher.
I also believe any change will not effect any hard working hunters as lets call a spade a spade once you have a big deer found 90% of the work is done and the deer is basically handed to the hunter. Even more the case with these high country rifle hunts cater to this "lazy" crowd as with a gun that shoots 1000yds and a dot on a map it is a sure thing to kill that buck. Anyone could get the buck with the odds tilted so much in favor of them but that is what some DIY hunters need to get it done I guess.
My belief is you should find your own deer or use a outfitter licensed by the state as these "scouting" services" are just a way for the lazy to buy a deer then take the credit then claim DIY - that is laughable. In my eyes guys who buy scouting packages is on par with a Jon who buys a escort service to look cool at dinner.. Flat out EGO PERIOD...... I mean why not just go buy a mount and tell the neighbor you killed it kinda the same thing dont ya think?
Tx - how many unchecked, unlicensed, uninsured, "scouters" is too many in any given unit? 2,10,100?? I mean with no oversight, insurance, and in unlimited scope/number what could go wrong lol!
Best part is that anyone would cite mm site thanks for the laugh Tex! I believe the convicted poacher was quite popular over there and pry still is...
Not everyone is all about EGO PERIOD. I've never used such a service, but I can imagine it being a useful one to take. It is WAY different than a guided service. You run with a guide and you have someone you don't know doing all the work for you AND a guy who walks along with you every step of the way throughout the hunt and tells you to do this and that.
For a person who likes to hunt their own way, but is burning a pile of points and wants to ensure a good hunt, this seems like a great option. You get fastracked into a good area, but get to hunt your own way, do your own camp, make your own mistakes your own way. Very different than an outfitted hunt and "the same as buying a mount?" Camman. It's a legitimate option for people to take, if it needs to be regulated differently than so be it, whatever, but if I wanted to hunt an animal outfitted I've always felt that it would essentially be so that I could have access to an animal I cannot hunt otherwise, and I would love it if I could forego the rest of the help.
No it isn't "DIY" in a pure sense of the word, but neither is it if you get a tip from your buddy that he seen something good over in the next drain. If you get your panties in a wad about something other people claim, you're in for a long ride. Who cares if some guy claims DIY when it isn't. Liars are everywhere can't let it bug you. This type of service sounds like a legitimate option.
Seems like if guys are now entering the "limited service" outfitting industry, the regulatory body could perhaps step in much like the real estate commission did for brokers. Perhaps all "limited service" outfitters (scouting services) should have licensing requirements, meet a regulatory threshold including education, testing on the law at hand, background checks, and have regulatory remedies for complaints from the public. You can't be a convicted felon, and hold a real estate license in Colorado, it is done so to protect the public at large.
Those are solely my own opinions, based on being licensed by the state as a real estate broker, complying with regulations like an FBI background check, passing a test on the law, and annually meeting continuing education requirements to better serve the public.
In some states, it's no small thing to become a guide. It costs money, there are bonds and whatnot... To be a guide in AK, you have to have hunted in the state for 5 yrs, have taken a course, been along with and assisted a certain number of hunts/stalks, besides paying money to the state.
"Outfitter" means a person soliciting to provide or providing, for compensation, outfitting services for the purpose of hunting or fishing on land that the person does not own.
(5.5) "Outfitting services" means providing transportation of individuals, equipment, supplies, or wildlife by means of vehicle, vessel, or pack animal, facilities including but not limited to tents, cabins, camp gear, food, or similar supplies, equipment, or accommodations, and guiding, leading, packing, protecting, supervising, instructing, or training persons or groups of persons in the take or attempted take of wildlife.
I would think both AntlerQuest and Monstermulies "Founder" should be licensed Colorado outfitters to provide "scouting services" since they are providing supplies, wildlife, and instructing. Just my personal opinion.
I hiked in, on my own, used my own gear, spotted my own deer, stalked the deer that I found, shot that deer, processed that deer on my own and hiked it out 6 miles to my truck.
Definitely not guided, not defending Jeff, but I think its a service that fills the "void" between guided and DIY when its not possible for some of us to scout like we should.
I guess I should now be licensed also because I have shared some of the information from that hunt with a few guys that may also be hunting that same area? Fishing hot spots are all over the internet, assuming this also happens in Colorado, do those guys need to be licensed?
If hunters are harvesting at too high of success rate then states to to further limit the tags available.
Who cares if someone that uses a scouting service claims it was a diy hunt? Does that hurt anyone else if they aren’t telling the truth about it?
Jahvada why is a scouting package dirtier then using an outfitter? One of them holds your hand completely. Basically is all you have to do is pull the trigger with a good outfitter. A scouting package only supply’s info on an area. You have to actually get yourself there. Spot your own animal etc.
Jahvada so a guy that uses a scouting package is lazy? Some people would call them smart. It probably costs less money to use a scouting package then to fly, rent a car, use 2 days vacation so you can scout for an entire weekend. Idk what the package costs but I’m sure it’s a wash money wise plus it saves you a couple vacation days that you can use for family time or more hunting time. Also most guys that are in the type of shape that OFFHNTN is in I would not call lazy.
Are you calling bohuntr part of this lazy crowd? I know he has used Jeff before?
You guys need to get off your high horses. Why aren’t you bashing outfitters that do way more for a hunter then any scouting package does?
I’m sure everyone that is against scouting packages is against using an outfitter with hounds to shoot a mountain lion right? Because after the outfitter drives you around, let’s the dogs out on the tracks, and trees the cat, is all you do is walk up and shoot it. Doesn’t seem like it would even take a hunter to make that kill? More like a shooter is all you need. How bout outfitted bear hunts with bait. Outfitter has multiple locations pre baited. You show up, get driven to your stand, and shoot yogi when he walks in to eat a donut. Again doesn’t take much of a hunter. More like a shooter.
Buying a scouting package and killing an animal isn’t easier then shooting a cat out of a tree or shooting a bear over bait. So are we going to start calling these hunters lazy also?
I just can’t wrap my head around the fact most people against scouting packages are fine with fully outfitted hunts where the guide does everything for you. Crazy world we live in.
What if you stay at a hotel or rent a cabin and ask the owner if he can point you in the right direction? Who would consider that unethical or illegal? Ridiculous
Great idea, bill, and step in the right direction. Colorado looks to follow suit soon and I am in full support of the Wyoming bill.
They sent it out via email about a week ago.. The web link went live yesterday and is below. Great to hear a similar movement is afoot in Colorado!
"Done your time" - "paid your debt to society" - now drift off and hunt on your own.
If you love the outdoors and photographing so much (as was stated), but PLEASE don't give anyone the BS that you are providing this service simply because of your love of the outdoors - if it was that darn important to you - do it for free then.
Simply put - He's doing this to for profit, because it's PROFITABLE!
Paid his debt to society - really - so then a convicted sexual predator that had raped 3 boy scouts gets out of prison after 15 years (paid his debt - as you put it) - now its okay for him to go back and be a troop leader simply because he loves to show the boys how to tie knots. REALLY!
"a) No person shall advertise or provide to a hunter for remuneration the location and identification information of any previously scouted big or trophy game animal for the purpose of aiding the hunter in the taking of that specific previously scouted big or trophy game animal."
Talk about a law with a loopholes. So you don't sell location of a specific trophy animal, but a location where "you have seen some nice bucks". Wink, wink. If they want to pass a law that these people have to have some sort of an outfitters license, so be it, but this law will do nothing
They have to hold a outfitters license with the state and have actually quite a bit of over site from the CPW. There is 0, zip, nada oversight as to area or scope of "scouters". Or for example with no oversight a convicted poacher can be making a ton of $$$ on the wildlife of the state... So basically over site, accountability, and integrity are 3 big differences between outfitters and some of these "scouters"
I guess I believe what Officer Windi Padia said or “Hunting opportunities are regulated for a reason—any additional opportunity created by a poacher is one less opportunity for an ethical hunter. " Yep that sums it up for me.
Your tirade about lions/outfitters/bears not sure what you are getting at yea outfitters use dogs and get the quota every year around here and that is a good thing in my eyes.. I dont know either of the people you speak of above.
But now some of you guys have me thinking... Or I am seriously thinking about starting a web site with pictures of animals (mainly large mule deer) listed unit by unit where a hunter can bid and the highest bidder (with a reserve) wins the location on a given date. Landowners could post their tags for sale right along pics of the animals and get the most $$ out of the LO tag they were allocated. Great idea kinda a giant clearing house of animals where anyone could post a pic (for a 25% fee) and get paid big $$$. Me and a group of friends would add animals we find. Hunters could then watch in real time as pics would be updated and pick the animal they wanted with out leaving the comfort of their lazy boy recliner - that is if they could bid enough. I mean how much for a 160" buck, 170", at 180" the real money comes out - if you find a 200" put it up and get paid some real money!! Maybe just maybe we could sell every buck in a lot of basins and again make some great $$... Hows that sound Branden??
When it comes down to it the pimping of wildlife and bringing money into hunting is something most hunters despise but is unavoidable. Outfitters fill a needed roll in the process for some and are tightly regulated. Getting a giant muley is not supposed to be a easy task and many hunters as you say would rather spend money than do their own work and there is where I see the problem...
Or IMO it is getting to the time where Colorado needs to follow Wyoming's and put some regulations in place to regulate what is currently a wild wild west type of thing going on out there..
Tx good to see you are still chugging that mm kool-aid lol...