Mathews Inc.
Protecting coyotes
Small Game
Contributors to this thread:
lawdy 31-Jan-18
WV Mountaineer 31-Jan-18
LKH 31-Jan-18
Buckiller 31-Jan-18
Pat Lefemine 31-Jan-18
kota-man 31-Jan-18
LKH 31-Jan-18
TrapperKayak 01-Feb-18
LINK 01-Feb-18
tobywon 01-Feb-18
rellikreed 01-Feb-18
Woods Walker 01-Feb-18
drycreek 01-Feb-18
DanWesson357 01-Feb-18
lewis 01-Feb-18
LBshooter 01-Feb-18
Jaquomo 01-Feb-18
Jaquomo 01-Feb-18
Pat Lefemine 01-Feb-18
Pat Lefemine 01-Feb-18
TrapperKayak 01-Feb-18
lawdy 01-Feb-18
elkstabber 01-Feb-18
LBshooter 01-Feb-18
Jaquomo 01-Feb-18
LINK 01-Feb-18
Michael 01-Feb-18
DTala 01-Feb-18
Pat Lefemine 01-Feb-18
Missouribreaks 01-Feb-18
LINK 01-Feb-18
bigswivle 01-Feb-18
elkstabber 01-Feb-18
drycreek 01-Feb-18
Mad Trapper 01-Feb-18
Rut Nut 01-Feb-18
Sean D. 01-Feb-18
shortstop 01-Feb-18
Salagi 01-Feb-18
lawdy 01-Feb-18
JTV 01-Feb-18
spike78 01-Feb-18
ground hunter 01-Feb-18
Medicinemann 01-Feb-18
GF 01-Feb-18
elkstabber 02-Feb-18
CCRider 02-Feb-18
DL 02-Feb-18
lawdy 03-Feb-18
wildan 03-Feb-18
coyote1 03-Feb-18
lawdy 04-Feb-18
From: lawdy
31-Jan-18
N. H. Is currently having hearings on a bill pushed by HSUS and the Voice for Wildlife protecting coyotes from March 31 to September 15. We don't lose snow some years until late April's or early May up here in the Northern part of the state. This is going to hurt if it passes. Pregnant does and early drop fawns are going to pay. By April, deer are most vulnerable to winterkill as their fat reserves are gone. Be watching in your own states.

31-Jan-18
lawdy, I'd move from that soon to be, completely liberalized hell hole

From: LKH
31-Jan-18
Don't be to sure that the insurance lobby doesn't have it's hand in this. They would be happy if deer disappeared.

From: Buckiller
31-Jan-18
Listen friends, you have to stop observing unjust laws. Americans have been doing it for the 250 years. Don’t stop now. Do what’s right. The illegality of something doesn’t automatically make it immoral. Hunters have got to have a spine regardless of what ignorant lawmakers do.

From: Pat Lefemine
31-Jan-18
NY has already done just that. Coyote season ends in March and begins in October. It’s maddening.

From: kota-man
31-Jan-18
That’s crazy...

From: LKH
31-Jan-18
Here in MT the Charlie Russell (CMR) is only open for coyote hunting during the big game seasons.

From: TrapperKayak
01-Feb-18
Pat, you beat me to it. Buckkiller, my 'spine' will be sitting in front of the tv if I break the games laws and they take my weapons and licenses away.

From: LINK
01-Feb-18
A law like that will pass in Oklahoma shortly after hell freezes over. Even so I don’t really know anyone in my corner of the world the kills coyotes from April to September. We kill them October through March and most in Dec- Feb. We can’t sell hides outside those months

From: tobywon
01-Feb-18
Buckiller, do you deer hunt on Sundays in CT on state land or in closed zones or any other game on Sunday for that matter? The no Sunday hunting law is as unjust as anything out there, but you wouldn't catch me breaking that law. Criminal charges and losing hunting privileges, weapons, etc. mean more to me than any coyote or deer. It can possibly affect work and family as well and is just not worth it.

From: rellikreed
01-Feb-18
No closed season in Maine and during certain times you can hunt them at nite. But no we cant hunt on sundays either.

From: Woods Walker
01-Feb-18
What we need is a sanctuary state from game laws. Why not? It works for people who ignore the immigration laws, why not this too?

From: drycreek
01-Feb-18
Good idea Woods ! These damn Texas yotes can’t read anyhow, they got no clue whether there’s a season or not.

From: DanWesson357
01-Feb-18
At least PA seems to have coyote hunting correct 24/7 365. Even on Sundays. not sure why any state would have a closed season on yotes. Now there is a trapping season that closes in Feb. But you can hunt them all year.

From: lewis
01-Feb-18
In Tn it’s open 247 for now anyway hope Farm Bureau doesn’t get this idea they’re thick with TWRA Lewis

From: LBshooter
01-Feb-18
Well I certainly understand the complaints on protecting coyotes. So let's just assume that everyone is pissed and will complain. Now, instead of crying about it, let's hear some ideas of why this is happening and how it started. Will be interesting to hear what you all think.

From: Jaquomo
01-Feb-18
LB - those on the other side insist it's inhumane to kill coyotes with pups, leaving the pups to starve in the den. Bigger question is, do we (the cruel, inhumane, heartless ones) have a counter argument to that?

From: Jaquomo
01-Feb-18
Buckiller, that's a funny one. Probably good that you're too scared to register with your real name. Game and Fish agencies from across the country monitor the Bowsite.

Good luck with your poaching efforts!

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Feb-18

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Shot during 2nd hay cutting. Missed 2 more that afternoon. Three shots in 90 minutes - in Connecticut.
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
Shot during 2nd hay cutting. Missed 2 more that afternoon. Three shots in 90 minutes - in Connecticut.
Those of you who don't kill yotes outside of the good fur months are missing the best time to kill coyotes, IMO, and that is when farmers are haying their fields. The day after haying the coyotes flood the fields in daylight. Just sit on a vantage point and pick them off. Great fun, and no calling involved. It's like groundhog shooting only you save a fawn as a byproduct.

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Feb-18
I don't know why NH is looking to implement this ridiculous law, but I know why NY did it.

I called the NY State biologist to discuss why NY does not allow coyote hunting all season long. I explained that nearly every state in the US allows for a 12 mos coyote season - so I asked, why not NY? What i got was a lecture from one of their fur-bearer biologists on how he loved and respected coyotes and he will never support shooting them during a season where the only thing you can do with the coyote is "throw it in the ditch."

I explained I had a serious predation problem on my NY property during fawning and recruitment was pitiful based on my trail cam surveys. He argued with me - telling me 'if they are taking that much toll then I had too many deer.' This was the 2nd time I had experienced an openly hostile attitude by the NY DEC. They obviously know better than other state biologists and judging by the quality of deer in NY they may be right (sarcasm).

I politely ended the call and fully understood that if the guy had his way, there would be no predator hunting at all. A complete joke.

From: TrapperKayak
01-Feb-18
Pat, probably the same guy that said there are no cougars in NY State.

From: lawdy
01-Feb-18
Pat, if that guy had his way there would be no hunting.

From: elkstabber
01-Feb-18

elkstabber's embedded Photo
elkstabber's embedded Photo
Pat, you don't have to just throw them in the ditch. I prefer to drag them to the middle of a field so that I can enjoy watching the scavengers. Here are two bald eagles feeding on one that I trapped. There was a third eagle that the two eagles wouldn't let near. Pic taken through a spotting scope.

From: LBshooter
01-Feb-18
Guys, hate to say it but I think years and years of this type of attitude by "sportsman/Hunters" is coming to bit us in the arse. The general public doesn't understand what we know as to what coyotes do to newborns and other game animals. When they read comments such as elkstabbers they see it as barbaric and cruel and look at us as the nuts that the antis portray us as. It's time to show some respect for all the animals we hunt and if your unable to have respect for coyotes/wolves than at least shut your pie hole and keep quiet. As it was mentioned earlier about poaching them if you disagree with the laws, LEO's read bowsite, well so do antis. Do we need to keep giving them more rope to hang us with?

From: Jaquomo
01-Feb-18
LB, so you're saying I shouldn't shoot bald eagles over a coyote carcass if I don't agree with the protected eagle law? Sheesh! What is this country coming to?!

From: LINK
01-Feb-18

LINK's embedded Photo
Here’s a good day! There’s 9 in there.
LINK's embedded Photo
Here’s a good day! There’s 9 in there.
“Those of you who don't kill yotes outside of the good fur months are missing the best time to kill coyotes, IMO, and that is when farmers are haying their fields. ”

Pat I get it and I’ll occasionally kill a coyote April- September and that’s usually off my front porch. During winter months I’ll give coyotes a pass while hunting with a gun or driving through the pasture feeding cows, just to come back later and call them. It’s like a turkey hunter wanting to call a bird not stalk it. That said I don’t pass one with my bow in hand. Most of the coyotes in my area are what I call $h!+ eaters. They make a living recycling cow excrement and eating mice. I’m sure there is an occasional fawn killed but not what many on here claim. It’s unusual to see a doe without twins where I hunt.

From: Michael
01-Feb-18
I can count on 1 hand the amount of coyotes I have shot from April till September. Never really thought about hunting them then.

I did read an interesting article on trapping coyotes at fawning time. Since 70% of coyotes are territorial if you trap them out when fawns are being dropped. It takes a few weeks for the transient coyotes to move in and take there spot.

Like Link said, in the Midwest I havent seen a huge effect coyotes have had on fawns compared to some other parts of the country.

From: DTala
01-Feb-18
I'd just be an outlaw because I'm killing every dang yote I see if I can.

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Feb-18

Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
55lb coyote shot on an extremely cold of -20 degrees.
Pat Lefemine's embedded Photo
55lb coyote shot on an extremely cold of -20 degrees.
Agree with sentiment on midwest coyotes not having a huge impact on fawns. Northern New England states like NY, MA, ME, CT and NH coyotes are a different breed. They are enormous. I've never seen a 60lb coyote in Kansas, but I shot a 50 and 55 this year in NY.

Also, CT did a study with vaginal transmitters here in CT. Over 75% of our fawns are killed by predators. A small percentage by bears and bobcats with an overwhelming majority killed by coyotes. So the guys that say they have no impact are simply not familiar with predation issues we deal with here.

01-Feb-18
I support coyote control year around.

From: LINK
01-Feb-18

LINK's embedded Photo
My 5 year old daughter took the trophy pic, that’s why it’s from 3 foot off the ground. ;)
LINK's embedded Photo
My 5 year old daughter took the trophy pic, that’s why it’s from 3 foot off the ground. ;)
Pat I’m not to far from where you hunt in Kansas and you’re right. A 45 pound coyote is about as big as it gets here. My biggest to date I killed Monday, 40 lbs. Most are 30-35 lbs.

From: bigswivle
01-Feb-18
SSS.........

From: elkstabber
01-Feb-18
LBShooter: my intent in posting the pic of the eagles feeding on the coyote was to simply show that it didn't go to waste. Lots of people feed birds - but how many can say that they've fed an eagle !?!

As a hunter I greatly respect the quarry that I hunt. That largely comes from the effort of the pursuit and the great eating.

On the other hand there are coyotes, groundhogs, and others that I don't view as game animals, but rather as pests that should be managed. These animals are simply not beneficial to what I am managing my farm for. I have the largest quail habitat in my county. I (with help) planted 5,000+ trees last winter for NRCS approved quail and pollinator habitat. Since I live on the farm that I'm managing for wildlife I view the coyote more like a pest that should be managed. I've seen the damage that coyotes have done. They are nothing special to me. They are just another link in the food chain.

If I lived in a city and saw a coyote twice a year I might be more fascinated and might possibly put them up on a pedestal. The people I work with feel that way because they live in a city and think that coyote is some kind of magic animal.

From: drycreek
01-Feb-18
I respect coyotes too ! Everytime I see two of them together I try to kill both of them so the other one doesn't get lonely without its mate. #farmersonly.com

From: Mad Trapper
01-Feb-18
Beam me up Scotty! I have now seen it all. Unbelievable! Surprizingly, it is one of the few things that Pennsylvania actually does right though.

From: Rut Nut
01-Feb-18
Pat- I think when the biologists focus on or are in charge of one particular species, they get protective of it. I saw the same thing with a certain WCO that did a lot of work with bears in the Poconos(trapping and tagging and radio collar work). He became very protective of them IMO.

From: Sean D.
01-Feb-18
Here in Ohio we can kill them year round but the problem is now a lot of farmers are saying don't shoot any because they would rather have them then the deer. Almost all the areas I trap I have been told not to catch any coyotes.

From: shortstop
01-Feb-18
S.S.S

From: Salagi
01-Feb-18
Here is how the Arkansas law reads for hunting. As you can see, it is kinda convoluted.

Coyote

Sunrise, July 1, 2017-Sunset, Feb. 28, 2018

No bag limit or possession limit.

Dogs allowed to hunt coyotes. Coyote hunting also is open during turkey season, no dogs allowed. Coyotes may only be taken during the day. During youth turkey hunts, only youths may take coyotes. Dogs may not be used when deer season is open in a zone that restricts the use of dogs. Coyote may be taken with archery equipment, rifles of any caliber or shotgun using any size shot. Coyotes may be taken during spring turkey season with hunting equipment legal for that season.

Oddly enough the trapping season for coyotes runs from August 1 to March 31.

From: lawdy
01-Feb-18
Spoke today with Fish and Game. They said they doubt it will pass. The sheep farmers are wild and warned that they will sue for damages. Our problem is that Southern NH no longer exists. It is part of Mass now, a socialistic, urban s$@#hole. Just look at the three ditzes they elected to Washington. Watched Senator Shaheen last night sitting there with a look on her face like she had just crapped her skivvies. We are Conservative up here but outnumbered.

From: JTV
01-Feb-18
Indiana has had a coyote season for some time .. runs from Oct. 15 to March 15, with a provision that landowners or a designee with a signed permission slip from that landowner can take coyotes at anytime ..... hell, I dont care what time of year it is.... If I get a yote within range, its going down ...

From: spike78
01-Feb-18
I’m guessing so few people would hunt them from March to September that it wouldn’t make much difference. I highly doubt I’d go hunt yotes in 90 degree weather. The one time where it would be good is during turkey season. I’ve had them run in to the calls.

01-Feb-18
Nice picture on that muzzle placement

From: Medicinemann
01-Feb-18
Pat, I want to hear how these vaginal transmitters work.....

From: GF
01-Feb-18
" Lots of people feed birds - but how many can say that they've fed an eagle !?!"

I hope you're using all-copper bullets, then.... If you were found to be deliberately or even just knowingly "feeding" a lead-contaminated carcass to those raptors, that could get bad fast...

There are some states that are seriously considering a lead-free requirement for big game specifically because of the amount of lead that raptors can pick up from a gutpile...

Medicineman - nothing exotic. Maybe you're thinking about adifferent application, but in at least one case, the fawn pushes out the transmitter when it gets dropped. Transmitter stays in one place, which tell whoever is monitoring it that where and when the blessed event has occurred. Makes it a lot easier to figure out how many fawns were dropped and then figure out what percentage get cropped off.....

But maybe you were thinking of something else....

From: elkstabber
02-Feb-18
GF: you have a good point about lead bullets being bad for scavengers. A snare did that coyote in, so no problem.

From: CCRider
02-Feb-18
I can see the potheads in my state going this route too. They are pushing hard for wolves and if that passes there will be a civil war between the hard-working people in the rural areas and the liberal junkies on the front range. God help us.

From: DL
02-Feb-18
Project Coyote.org. Want to ban the killing of ALL predators.

From: lawdy
03-Feb-18
A lady from the Humane Society had a letter in yesterday's Manchester Union Leader state newspaper. They are working nationwide to ban all killing of coyotes. This country has gone nuts. She stated that they definitely prefer the end of coyote hunting and trapping.

From: wildan
03-Feb-18
Wait until one snatches her poodle off the back deck;see if she changes her tune.

From: coyote1
03-Feb-18
I prefer the end of these liberal idiots and their convoluted ideas.

From: lawdy
04-Feb-18
I have a feeling that even if it happens, it will be as tightly enforced up here as shooting crows out of season. They will give out depredation permits like candy.

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