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Our latest bloodtrail is a TEXTBOOK edition where you pick the answers based on traditional best practices
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Our latest bloodtrail is a TEXTBOOK edition where you pick the answers based on traditional best practices
Our first bloodtrail challenge is brought to you thanks to a big fat New York doe that wandered into my brassica plot in December. A new clue is posted each day for the next 8 days. Good luck!
Its about time ;0)
so far easy ...... so good ...
You gonna grade on a curve this time?!?
I'm going to ace this one by trying to think like Pat. I do know the answer would be "all of the above" if it was a coyote and an AR15.
Ambush... your screwed then ;0)
Honestly, if anyone gets any of the first two wrong you shouldn't shoot at an animal. LOL.
I say bullcorn on number 2. Always aim for exit.
A is a much better option than D. C is all kinds of bad. If you are reading this before you answer, do not pick B, trick question.
"It won't last"
I would be disappointed if it did Pat!
How do I get beyond question 1? I get a score, but where's the "next" button or whatever?
so far a chip-shot. I'm suspicious. Where's Snookie?
Famous grouse - when you are on the question 1 screen (or 2, 3 etc) the "next" question is on the right side of the screen. For me, I answer a question, see if I was thinking like Pat ;), and then I hit back 1x and scroll up to see the next question buttons on the right side.
I use a HHA 5519... not a Black Gold thank you very much ;0) .... Dilly Dilly .....
BTW Pat, how do you like those short feather fletchings?
"I say bullcorn on number 2. Always aim for exit."
I agree 100%
D in Number 2 is the heart shot, right over the leg. Deer anatomy 101.
I'm off to a running start.......right into a wall !:-(
I’m shooting a recurve with no site.
My problem is I do not think like Pat or most others and walking shots never bother me, I always wait until the near leg is forward to shoot.
Walking shot is not a problem, the deer is feeding and not going anywhere fast. Front leg forward is an easy shot.
I to would have picked the walking shot. Relaxed deer and wide open lungs with the leg forward. But I know from last time Pat doesn’t like walking shots. This is kind of like 3D. Pick the 10 ring, not the kill shot if you want points :-)
Ron, you have to think like the "book" says!
My first thought was exactly the same - shoot her when her near leg steps out, but I had to reset to think about the guys that have less experience. That "walking" shot gives a perfect line up the offside leg and all the lungs and heart exposed for the largest kill zone. Put a Snuffer thru there and break the offside leg and you don't have to worry about a blood trail :-)
That step forward is typically the mental trigger for me to release on most everything I shoot - especially elk!
It’s textbook. I gave you six points. Quit yer whining. ;-)
PS - Come on Ron! You are pulling down our Colorado Team Score!
Insert "evil laugh" here. :)
lol@Pat. I'd shoot her walking too. The slightly quartering away shot is a slightly better shot ;)
"It’s textbook. I gave you six points. Quit yer whining. ;-) " I am usually pretty good at math and I only see 3 points. :-(
are those feather fletchings?
Rock, you're right. I awarded 3 points for that.
W8N4RUT - yes. I prefer feathers. Even in my rain soaked lake-effect land in NY state.
That NY doe sure did walk a long ways to get to my food plot. :). Are you certain she even identified as a 'doe'? Can't be too careful these days.
That walking shot is a dead deer, so is D...
All this jibber jabber about quarter this quarter that, quarters are for gumballs! Gimme that texas heart shot!
Now, who the heck has a 10 yard pin??
Heck, I don't have any! But then, neither does Rock!
Well, that settles it. I cant think like Pat :). My gut was to look over the arrow and shot site because, while the arrow may have been a little high and forward, it went through a lot of important stuff. But, I figured Pat would wait 4 hrs so I went with that. Grrrr :)
Shot was poor. High and forward for a quartering away......heck, the worst choice of where to hit the deer in question 2 reflects where Pat hits the doe. The choices are really a process of elimination to get to the one that best suits the game.......Although in real life he probably saw the doe fall over, the perceptions of the game don't mimic real life hunting scenarios.
So do we guess for what is the correct answer according to the game, or do we guess what Pat actually did/saw....because there is quite a difference, as you see in most of these challenges.
This game fun to play along and see what everyone posts on this thread, more so than the actual guessing of the answers ;)
ohiohunter lol! In through the backdoor, out through the front!
Pat's shot looked high and forward, I agree with that. As far as a Texas heart shot, isn't that better for ground level, not to effective from an elevated position.
I trailed right away and found the deer 67 yards away.
I was torn here. Most people say wait if unsure and that shot could have easily only got one lung. The 20/20 hindsight of good video can make the decision way easier. I took the safe bet and checked the crime scene.
Why Pat would prefer that bunched up shot to the wide open walker?? But I don't shoot many whitetail either :)
And my question to Pat would be; did you hit where you were aiming?
I can't argue with the textbook so far.
I was assuming that after 30 minutes and guessing pat seen her drop there would be no need to do any detective work..silly me..lol
Pat, your Idea of an excellent shot and mine are different..that looked a tad high and forward, esp at the angle of the shooter ... 3 for 3
Since we're criticizing Pat, I'll just point out that he looks a little over-bowed. :) Little shaky on the draw :)
Edited: I'm really not criticizing Pat. He's shot far more game than I ever will.
Shot looked too high an forward for my taste. But it is a fun game .
"Shot was poor.......Although in real life he probably saw the doe fall over" LOL
I'm missing something, excellent shot???? high and forward maybe even a miss check the area and go home, next time make sure your collar is tucked out of the way
Potential poor shot. Too high and forward. Would have waited unless I saw something when she ran away.
Can't be a miss....if you replay the video and pause it, you can see where the arrow hits the deer. Would be interested to know how high the stand is in the tree that Pat shot from...... Would also like to know just how far the camera is located to his right......Pat frequently shows the shot in slow motion....but he doesn't this time.....wondering if there might be a reason for that later in the challenge?
I wish youtube had high speed and slow motion. Almost looks like the nock moves forward as the arrow makes contact giving the illusion the hit is further forward than it really is. Basically whipping it forward. I'm sure we will see the exact hit down the road.
shot looked way forward to me
Clue #3... I disagree with the "correct" answer. I could easily see in the video that it WASN'T an excellent shot. It was much too forward and most likely a one lunger. That deer could go a long way if pushed or disturbed. I guess that inspecting the site of the hit and the arrow wouldn't be a mistake, but it could also lead to seeing lung blood and mistakenly thinking the hit was better than it was. I guess we'll find out in later clues, but I'm betting it was a one lung hit.
That shot sucked !! LOL.. Looked way forward and high..Gotta give that deer time to expire..
So unless you see the deer fall, which none of us know that he did, what is wrong with getting down and quietly inspecting the scene of the crime, then make your plan. I don't know that I have ever pre-decided what to do while still sitting in my tree stand after the shot unless I saw it fall and even then I look for the arrow, find blood, etc., etc., just to keep myself sharp. And YES, I got that one right!!! LMAO!!
Heck, even if I see the deer go down, I start at where the hit was and arrow exited , and still do the trail to the deer... I want to see where the arrow is, what it looks like, the hair, what blood was there if any and where the blood trail actually started and how much was left ... I do this even if it is after dark when I retrieve the deer ... did this this year on the big Doe I killed, and she only went about 60 yds ...
I agree that the slow walk shot is just as good an idea as D, assuming you have the capability. Bucks almost never stand still very long at the right place at the right angle, and the angle is where it is at. I want my other 6 points !!!
In the vid it looks that the arrow ended up to the left of our view compared to where it hit, telling me it hit the far leg bone or shoulder, possibly deflected by a rib on the way in, and actually doing some damage father back and lower that it appears from the hit spot. Note the spot where the arrow fell. I'll guess good tracking blood from a low exit if things went as I surmise.
Deleted...not sure where that pic came from!
Got it. Now just gotta get my Colorado boys to pick up their game!
Treeline, looks like the guy in Quebec picked the perfect handle!
My question is was that actually a 42 yard shot? Unless you were 35’ up in the tree. It sure looks like a pretty sharp downward angled shot. The arrow seems to get there pretty darn quickly too, for 42 yards.
After muffing the first two questions, I ain't saying crap. I'm just lucky that, like Cool Hand Luke, I finally got my mind right.....
This clue discriminates against colorblind people!
I figured it was the bifocals :)
Shot looked forward and high. I would have waited, therefore I don't get full credit. :^(
I disagree with the, really "obvious" blood sign in Photo 4.
Matter of fact, I see scuff marks in the leaves and maybe some "red" Fall season leaf color. As the challenge before, blood on the limbs but no blood on the limbs in photo 4. If so that would have tipped the scale for me the other way. What I saw originally was a high hit forward arrow impact and was surprised that even the amount of blood in the first blood photo was even there, and when I saw no "obvious" blood in Photo 4, that confirmed my thought of a high, not fatal shot placement. I will be surprised if this deer is found but I will continue to play along.
Us older folks with cataracts ought to be given a pass on photo 4.
I've got to agree with Paul, the blood in photo 4 wasn't obvious to me either. I saw what looked like a small drop on one sapling and what may have been a couple of spots on some leaves, but those also looked like fall leaf color as well. It may have been much more obvious and visible in person, but I couldn't tell from the photo to be certain. Also, there wasn't anything rubbed off on any of the other saplings like there was in photo 3, so that also influenced my choice there was no sign in photo 4.
Photo 4 does not have obvious blood sign. Bogus.
Obvious is a strong word. I see the blood but I wouldn't say it's obvious. :)
I knew this was a dead deer walking after that shot. 67 yards from the shot, give or take 10.
T-Roy, I believe this is the 42nd Bloodtrail Challenge.....I don't think that that the shot was 42 yards.
Control + (zoom) is your friend on photo #4
I was pretty sure that the two thin willows was a trick. And "obvious" is a gross overstatement!
I'm 100% so far, but certainly not because I think the answers are the right choices.
But I have been cheating a bit by putting myself into Pat's head. While reading the clues, I cuddle an inflatable doll.
I, too, was had by photo #4. I don't see much for blood, and certainly nothing obvious. And picking all photos but 4 should be worth more than 3 points! It was a 3/4 photo guess, c'mon! haha
If you go back to the video if you look where the deer is standing look where the arrow ends up sticking in the ground. The arrow actually hits the deer behind the shoulder
Still batting a 1000, but have to disagree with #4 being obvious. Had to look at it blown up twice. May have been easier being there.
My Colorado boys are letting me down! We're falling further behind! Kinda starting to wonder if those guys really ever kill anything ;) Pick it up, boys!
man, some of you guys would beech if you won the powerball lotto ...
I have ONE word for you... ZOOM! There is quite a bit of blood in 4.
4 for 4!
I was wondering if there was more blood than I could see for sure but I just can't tell for sure on my phone.
Travis, Sorry for letting you down I am really blowing this one. Can we just remove me from the challenge, usually I try to think like Pat and how he always tries to throw us off and he really got me this time.
Dr.Henry Lee would say " maybe blood, maybe no blood.but not obvious blood"
“Think like Pat? “
Trust me, nobody should try thinking like me. I live in a dark, twisted world that would terrify most of you.
Everyone bitching is part of the fun! :)
Some may start calling this the blood boiling challenge.
What if we had a crossbow shooting a rage at 100yd 30min post legal shooting light on the Rompola buck quartering to with its front leg semi forward- blood trail challenge? All animated and all backwards just to watch heads explode, is that dark and twisted enough Pat???
I really think someone would smash their monitor, or spike their phone.
I think Pic 2 and 3 are the same twigs, just a different angle....not much blood. #4 really threw me if there is lots of "Obvious" blood, it wasn't to me!
I picked no blood in #4 but my eyes are failing a little & I didn't enlarge or zoom. I have no problems when I am "on a trail" in real life..
I have to argue a little on the shot placement some of you guys are seeing. I see a hit behind the shoulder blade with an exit through the armpit. Perfect double lunger, the deer probably went about 60-70 yards after the shot. Slick Tricks paint a pretty good trail through the forest!
I went back to photo 4 to just see , if there was any blood I missed. Maybe just maybe there is one slight speck of blood on the underside and side of one of the overhanging branches. The speck is very small and I can only see one side of it, if it is actually blood.
This it the type of blood trail I want to follow.
Pat...."Trust me, nobody should try thinking like me. I live in a dark, twisted world that would terrify most of you."
As you laugh behind the keyboard from all the comments, pure entertainment for you...lol
Hold the "Ctrl" button down and use mouse wheel to zoom-in. Lots of blood thanks to a quality, detailed picture the boss provided us.
You guys are crazy in that Pic #4. There's a sapling just right of center in the pic. About a 1/4 way up from the bottom of the pic, on the left side of that sapling, is a huge spot of blood. It is fairly obvious
Right, there is more blood around the base of that sapling than there is in Paul's picture. Just follow the obvious stirred up trail of leaves and you can find blood all along it.
Picking up steam here Boss ! Unfortunately, I can't build up enough to make up for the first two answers or I'd blow up the boiler......
i had to save the pic and look at it super blown up to spot the blood in 4, but I'm glad I decided it was there...still 100% for now.
You’re evil, Pat. Shoulda looked at clue 5 closer.
When I "click to enlarge" I get the wrong picture. The pic that comes up for me is Pat's turkey rodeo.
Plus, I also didn't notice the "south" pointer in the upper right corner. I assumed north was at the top, so got the direction she was going right, but was almost 180 degrees off using a compass reading.
"D in Number 2 is the heart shot, right over the leg. Deer anatomy 101." And you failed, apparently...
Dumbest thing about "3D" targets is that they only teach the same shot placement that you get on a broadside 2D target face.
I'm another who would have been happy taking the walker... but more so if she was walking at a steady pace. The potential problem here (IMO) is that she was just milling around eating something, and you can't much count on them continuing at a steady pace or even in a straight line when you're doing that.
Makes a bigger difference at 170-180 fps, though maybe not-so-much at 10 yards.
And for the same reason, I probably would have chosen to hold lower in case she dropped at the shot. I did have a compound for a while - with a MBG 5-pin, believe it or not - and when I took almost exactly the shot depicted, I shot just over the spine. So even with a much faster bow I would have held lower, but sometimes with multiple choice you just have to take the Least Wrong of the answers offered.
Dang it!, I was off 180 as well. I noticed the south but it didn't register to me before I entered my choice. I was perfect up till now.
I'm must be dyslexic. Nailed it! Still wondering about that turkey pic though???
Sorry fellas, I blew it. Didn't realize the pic was south. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Just blew past it.
Yup, tricky tricky! I feel violated.
Details, why didn't I pay attentions to the details! I was already planning my next hunt with prize money I was sure to win.
Nice, who is so stupid they put the compass upside down on the map? :)
Whoa, flipped the script there, I liked the trick.
Nice one Pat! I think you've been spending too much time with those backwards thinking liberals in CT.
Not to make it TOOOOOO easy for you guys, but for the skeptics, I have put a little green dot everywhere that I saw what I would definitely check out as blood...
Not to make it TOOOOOO easy for you guys, but for the skeptics, I have put a little green dot everywhere that I saw what I would definitely check out as blood...
As for that green line next to the one sprig....
I'm calling that one questionable because it looks like it was dipped in a bucket-full of blood.. on the other hand (might just be the digital image on my monitor) it looks like a brighter shade of red than I've noticed around here...
And on the shot placement... It looked to me (as to others) that the arrow ended up to the left of where it should have, and the shot itself did look to be high and right. But some of that is the camera angle. And some is the fact that the damned arrow is too fast to track unless you're the shooter...
So (I didn't get much audio) depending on what I heard, I might surmise a hit on a major bone, just based on that. And of course, if you hear the deer crash....
Would also be interesting to know if that arrow was lying on the ground or stuck into it.
And an option that I like but which was not offered in re: the follow-up.... JMO, a good way to pass that recommended 1/2 hour is by sitting up in the stand with a good pair of binoculars, picking apart the blood trail without even touching the ground.
But it's no guaranteed thing even with great blood. The longest recovery I've ever had (in both time and yards) was a hit (with a bullet) across the windpipe of a very large-bodied buck; tore a hole in his jugular on one side and he bled like a fountain for the first 50-60 yards, but I still managed to bump him out of his bed about 45 minutes later and it only got worse from there...
That was a good trick on the last one. Glad I paid attention:)
Still having fun!
Just plain Wrong to orient the picture 180 off of the compass
Pat, may your .204 jam on a follow up shot after a miss on a coyote .... :0(
I had no problem with the compass orientation but that blood splatter in the bottom right looked like it was going dead left or east. So did part of the middle left spatter. Over thought it.
Ha, that was a nasty trick
The blood in the photo in #5 is all at the bottom half of the photo. So if you scroll down to get a better look at the blood, the 'South" pointer doesn't even show on the screen!
I was batting 1.000 until now.
Pat, you're evil! lol
If you learned anything from past Challenges, you know you have to rephrase each question, as in the following example.
from: what is the best shot?
to: what shot did Pat take?
A trip into Pat's head is like a tour through the Haunted House to a six year old. Deliciously scary for some and way too spooky for others!!
5 FOR 5 I read the blood 180 off and with the compass turned I got it right ,LOL
I agree the arrow was moving too fast to really see where it hit, esp. given the camera angle. I froze the video several times at ~ the :28 mark, but still couldn't be sure. I took an educated guess and got it right, but still......
who reads a map with north to the bottom?
"who reads a map with north to the bottom?"
Pat. He warned us that his mind is a scary place!!
We should have a vote on the shot placement.
I was waiting for the trick question. Found it !
5 got me. I didn't even see the arrow south until after my guess. there went my perfect score! LOL. GF, I saw the spec of blood on the stick in front. Couldn't really tell by the photo if the others were blood or not. Suspected it was but had I not seen the little dot on the stick I might have not agreed.
27" monitor prob'ly helps!
YES!!! Who reads a map with North to the bottom. NO ONE!!! Never even saw the South pointer. Don't know many that would have pulled a compass out in that situation. Most would have just followed the blood so in my mind.......we are all right.
Figured I finally had one nailed but got me too just assumed pic was oriented N up and you know what happens when you assume !
I spotted the "S" right away as I knew from the past that Pat would be setting up snares and there's no such thing as a lay-up! I fear the question that will inevitably be showing up in a day or two now... Weird shot.
What Griz said!
I knew which direction the doe was going, so why would I give a hoot about the compass direction?
Maybe it's because of my flying years or my decades of hunting, but to me, when I'm in the field, directions and relative positions are based on the 'clock,' with 12:00 being straight ahead if I'm moving. or a designated tree, barn, whatever, if I'm in a duck blind or a goose pit.
As in, "Hey, Bill! Mallards at 10:00, coming our way!"
I saw the arrow and thought odd for the bowsite symbol...it never registered..
1st CT bowfishing regulations now this!!!! I'm having a bad day here at the bowsite !!!!!
I get the trick aspect of the south arrow, but perhaps that is the ground truth of tracking. One has to know how to figure the direction in real position.
I got burned by the trick question also so much for my perfect score
Doesn't matter what the compass says, only what the blood says! I'm on the trail of a probably dead deer!! That is of course unless Pat throws another knuckleball into the mix.
When the tracking gets rough I keep tabs on the compass. At least I can rationalize the direction back to the last good information, and my 20.
The only thing I now use a compass for is figuring out stand locations and primary winds to hunt it ... 40 yrs deer hunting, Ive never used a compass to track a deer... hell, the only time I really used a compass was back in my USMC days ....
That one messed me up. I got it right. But I had to stand up and try to look at the picture upside down to get myself oriented with direction.
Ahhh...Number 5, TOUCHE!! (dammit!) I was so intent on going back and forth between the selections and the photo looking at the blood I didn't even notice the directional indicator.
You guys forgot to use your old fashioned, basic woodsman-ship skills from the past.
Just put your Iphone on electronic compass, set it on your laptop and rotate both, just like you were taught as a wee one :)
DOH! Got me. Good on ya Pat. ;)
Saw the south arrow at the last minute. Got it right. Very sneaky!
To busy studying the blood splatters, never saw South and arrow. I had a perfect score.
I missed the "S" in the upper right corner! Damn it. Add 180 and I nailed I.
Didn't notice the standing shot/walking shot labels.
AM I THE ONLY GUY IN AZ THAT CAN READ A COMPASS, A MAP, AND A BLOOD TRAIL???? We are gettin smoked.... Dang it!!! This is a fun one:)
Looked more like 110’-120’ than 160’. I went with 90’. Should’ve gotten some points. I think I’ll give myself 3
I will argue until cows come home. Look at splatter on green leaf. That is closer to a right angle the the indiscriminate splatter on the big brown leaf!
I wonder where this deer is.....
I wonder where this deer is.....
Pat, you need to come hunting with me. No wonder you’re all messed up following your Bloodtrails....they suck. They should look like this. Tell you what, I’ll meet you at the truck with my deer in the back, while you’re still looking at your compass figuring out how to get down from the tree. Lmao.
Burned on #5 that was pure evil !
Anybody else click on the enlarge button and have the picture of Pat letting his turkey run off pop up? lol I did!
The deer is going this way:
I should’ve been wearing my glasses on 5. Missed the small, white, obvious verbiage in the right corner. Or learn to zoom out.
Clue 5 was a stupid and pointless trick. Nobody ever orients anything other than north at the top. Challenge is one thing, stupid is another.
I never even seen the south in upper right corner. Just took it as north facing up. That little oversight did me in
I smell breakfast sausage cooking! She 'aint far, boys!
In terms of the shot placement, this is not a great picture, screen shot off my PC, but best I can tell there is only about 6" of the arrow left to penetrate and the nock light string gives an approximation of the angle. You surmise you're own conclusions.... My guess is this deer bled out from a carotid artery hit (if it died)
Dont forget that Pat hunts from the treetops...30 feet up?
crud there goes my perfect score. not fair. can we skip number 5. i was thinking that number so i ask for a second opinion my oldest daughter. I trusted her and it did not work out.
Damn, knew the right answer for 6, but selected the wrong one and hit send before I noticed it. Oh well.
You asking on #6 before or after you click to enlarge?!?!
Got it right but I thought Pat was setting a trap on 6.
I slo-mo'd Pat's hit. I'm sure he will show the entrance and exit on this challenge at some point. My view showed an arrow that entered 3/4 of the way up the body behind the front shoulder and exited out the opposite armpit, a textbook double lunger. I will be curious to see if my eyes were deceiving me or not. In Kochevar's pic above the deer has already started to drop and turn which gives a misleading view of the impact.
I spotted her before the page finished loading then i thought, waaaaait a minute,too easy...20 minutes later and feeling my eyes starting to bleed i finaly got a 9...lol
I followed the blood and I still waited 20 min till I clicked .perfect so far, but you cant trust Pat .
When I click 'enlarge,' it shows me a different grid!
What's with that?
I see the deer,
I agree with Treefarm. That deer traveled at 90’ not 160’. Pat needs to recalibrate his phone compass. Or better yet get a real one. ;)~
I noticed that too...figured Pat was throwing another curve ball. Click and the the entire picture enlarges and not individual columns.
My carotid remark was really a bit tongue in cheek, just posting a pic....I have no idea what happened, Hell, I can't even tell which way is up!! lol
Still batting 100% !
But I did back click several times to make sure Pat didn't rearrange the alphabet, to trick us, after the last clue. I did look long and hard at what might have been an antler tine in another grid, but then remembered, "doh!! it's a doe!"
Wondering what happened to my Colorado team. Hey! You guys keeping up? Some awfully low scores some of you guys are throwing up! Get with it...
Haha made 6 too darn complicated. Could see the deer clearly right away, clicked on A,B,C,D thinking they would all zoom in on that grid. Could see the deer in all of them. Got confused and just picked one, the wrong one. I knew I should have taken a nap today. woof! Sorry Iowa.
Didn't need to see that impact cause the sound said the air bags got deflated!! Gotta love that cause it's always a short track job!
I see the deer in all 4 pics, but since picking all of them wasn’t an option, I picked the most obvious one and got lucky.
That will teach me to just go off the picture on my phone! Missed that one!
Yup, good shot. Exit was right where I figured. That had to be damn close to the heart Pat! I chose double lung and heart.
#5 felt like a sucker punch.
Glad I guessed right on one lung and heart.
Just goes to show that even video and stills can be deceiving. My guess would not have been my guess if going only on the vid from earlier.
Sure looked like double lung and heart to me.
Peco x2. I don't see how it didn't get the lower front of the off side lung
After seeing the video and the arrow wounds , was thinking it was a different deer. Thought it was another trick.
I think it is good to see things like this though. Most people (me included) were sure the shot was way high and forward. And we were able to keep replaying it. And still couldnt tell it was a perfect shot. Our eyes don't always see what actually happened. That can happen on a good shot, and also a poor shot.
Wasn't the correct answer double lung?
I think Pat switched the deer out... ;0)
True. I watched the video from the stand and said to myself; WTF? But the shot looked great when I released.
The thing that got me on the video is where the arrow ended up. It was perfect. Pat, you sure you didn't shoot the deer twice? LOL!
I found it hard to see an actual exit wound. There is a smidge of blood on the fur, but that looked too high to be were the exit wound should be based on the arrow path. I thought it came out of the chest between the legs based of not seeing a hole on the exit side. Plus, I think it ran 160 yards...long way based upon what it hit.
Tavis, I am trying to help but I blew too many of them early on so it is not much help now.
I blew it on this last one,Ron. Tried to answer looking at the phone pics that were not very good and was still stuck on what I thought I saw from the video...
These are always fun regardless. So many cry babies out there.. Granted, in real life & being there i'm guessing we would all get it right.. Keep em coming Pat..
Dang it! I thought you might have nicked the heart. You sure you checked the heart good enough? I think there might be a small nick on it. LOL.
On a purely personal basis, I am very pleased to have got the 'which direction is the deer travelling?' question correct...still have to remind myself that the spatters are in the direction of travel like Fingers pointing Forward. Any more Other Brothers [or Sisters] rocking 100% at the moment? Almost scared to answer that last question...
See?! I was right. Bowling along 7 for 7...and then drop the ball on the last question; I reckon you can hear the doe crash on the video, so was trying to work out the average death run speed of a Whitetail doe...and 75 yards ain't it
There's no way that deer went 200 yards. Darn it!
Blew my perfect score!!! But they are tough buggers, for sure!
Crap! 9,9,9,9,9,9,3, & 0!
Try a Rage Hperdermic and your blood trails will be shorter. But then, these challenges would be too easy...?
Thanks Pat. These are fun an educational.
Russell, my score was exactly the same...
But think that a big ‘ol Snuffer would have done the job better than one of those silly floppy blades thingies!
Fun little challenge!
Thanks for putting this one together for us Pat!
I do enjoy these , educational and also lets you know how good or bad you might be at judging a shot. Went 6 for 8. 35,75 with a double lung could have been either one, 50/50 choice, got that one wrong lol. Looking forward to the next challenge.
The last question is a total crap shoot. I rolled a 7 of course ;-(
OK, this ones done (I only missed the damn compass question)... time for another... or didnt Pat kill enough deer this season for a 2nd ...
Tradmt, You are correct, the answer WAS double lung. I have a hunch that Pete-pec is trying to give bogus responses, in hopes of misdirecting people that read the discussion before answering the questions that are posed.
Med’man, that’s half the fun :)
Good challenge. It's amazing how far a double lung hit can go :).
Ambush, I am not disagreeing. Having endured Pat's ball breaking in hunting camp for almost ten years, I can sometimes snif out some of his schemes and tricks.....but the little dweeb snookered me on the compass direction question......but that's OK.....on my drive out to Kansas this year, I'll be on the lookout for a roadkilled coyote......it would make a great pillow on his bed.
I see that now with his response to the last question. :)
Anyone cheating on these is a pretty sad sack! Lol
Who meeeeee? LOL
I specifically said there's no way that deer went 200 yards. How many "sad sacks" you think we got? Running at 24% success rate on question 8.
Yeah, and then he sits WAY behind the doe to make it look bigger!! Probably couldn't get his delicate hands around her ears to long-arm it!
That doe was 133# dressed, worn teeth and barren. She is comfortably resting in my freezer as 50 packages of Kielbasa.
Are you willing to submit the doe to X-ray?
Last question is a guess. 75 is the best guess given all the info.
Enjoyed the challenge Pat! Exit hole looks real small. How did the Broadhead hold up through this? Curious! Greg
After my score. I think I should have waited a while and looked at people's comments before I answered.
Ks....that would have been cheating. :-)
I have no idea how many sad sacks. I'm thinking question 8 is more of just a guess that you had a 50/50 chance on, 35 or 75 so I wouldn't base anything off that success ratio.
Well I was rocking some 9's until the last two questions. Scored a 3 and a 0 on those. Good stuff Pat.
I've been doing this blood trails for a long time, this is my first perfect score! Hurry up and do another one while I'm on a roll. Or at least film your next turkey hunt (LOL)
100% until that last question. Unbelievable!!!! Never would have thought that.
I was perfect to the last 2 then 3 between them, I went for the 75 yard balls out run .
That was fun Pat. Good one.
Damn you Pat! You got me on the last one! I've shot Slick Tricks for many years and I've seen the 35 yards stop and tip over more times than I can count with that head. I cannot believe I didn't trust what my own experience has shown me. Oh well, 7 out 8 ain't bad! Good challenge!
I calling all bull. First shot was high other shots were available, deer is laying in hay field away from woods with no drag marks, yet in 5 or 6 deer is in brush in woods dead. just cause you got the deer doesn't mean it was the best shot to be had.
Whoa, slow down wayne! It's just for fun. It's an off-season diversion and hopefully a chance to learn something.
Hold on there Brother-Wayne...looking over the great hunter's left shoulder is the snipers nest. Deer ran into the woods and whipped-out.
Pat being the man he is, dragged it directly to the awaiting camera on the other side of the field. Why have drag marks to hamper the trophy selfie?
Venison burgers...that's some fine eating!
I see the deer in all 4 pics, but since picking all of them wasn’t an option, I picked the most obvious one
Cam wheels the size of your head !!!!
Wko, go back and find my post. The arrow whip + the lighted nock gave the illusion the hit was further forward.
The final answer is always a toss up, but Pat provided several clues to tip the odds in the favor of the right answer; deer demeanor at the shot, shot placement, organs hit, the amount of blood on the ground and on the deer, and one that is almost unnoticed...listen to the video. While the audio is not solid evidence of how far the deer went, it's a profound clue. Mike
Mike, I ended the video when I did on purpose, because you can clearly hear the deer stop then crash and two kicks later ...silence.
Pat, thanks for the game and planning that goes into it. I always appreciate it. Mike
Thanks Pat. I like doing these. There are always a lot of opinions, but they do make you think. You got me on the compass and I picked the wrong distance she ran. Looking forward to the next one.
I got the distance wrong. I guess I am used to much tougher deer (with bigger hearts) :) I had fun guessing at this.
Geez..... the field looks farther than that...... =D
Good fun.... with a dash of evil.... just like i like it...... thanks.
I feel like Maxwell Smart. "Fell for the old backwards compass trick!"
Answer me this: Which shoulder did I shoot out?
I was late to take the challenge. I dread them, Pat is evil.
I didn't even see the standing, standing, walking, standing...in the pics and picked C. I was looking at the position of the animal and then wondered how the heck do we know if it was standing or walking.....duh, the words stupid.
The rotated compass was just a stupid trick (see above, Pat is evil)
I got the last guess right, only because it sounded like the deer walked off instead of ran. Figured it didn't go far.