What happened to the supposed new Ulmer?
Contributors to this thread:Equipment
From: Bowfreak
26-Mar-18
Prior to ATA there was scuttlebutt that the UImer Edge was going to be rebranded or released again. Does anyone know what happened or was this a rumor that was never true?
From: njbuck
26-Mar-18
I had good success with them prior to the stop of production. I bought up a bunch of the packs when they were on sale. They fly amazing.
From: 0hndycp
26-Mar-18
Also bought about a dozen packages when I heard they were discontinued due to patent issues.....would love to see them again. I’ve killed mountain goat, elk, deer, and antelope with them and never had anything but great results! Also for a guy with a 32” draw length it sure make tuning a hell of a lot easier!
From: StickFlicker
26-Mar-18
I'll see Randy this weekend. I'll try to remember to ask him and see what he knows.
From: Kurt
26-Mar-18
I've got some regular thread versions and some deep-6 threaded steel 125 gr UE around, some in the package. PM me if you are interested.
From: sdkhunter
26-Mar-18
Yeah, it was patent infringement issues/concerns... Believe there are some BH's that are very similar - with set screw, similar blade deployment, etc...
I was going through an old archery tote last year and found 3 or 4 brand new packs of those initial ulmer edge heads - it was like Christmas in July....
From: Bowfreak
26-Mar-18
The patent issue was with the Reign broadhead by EP Hunting.
From: Mark Watkins
26-Mar-18
They were/are a great head. Killed elk, turkeys a mountain caribou and whitetails with them. Not the biggest cutting surface but they kill quickly. Fly like darts
I really liked them for any mountain hunt due their aerodynamics in the wind.
Let us know what you find out Stick!
Mark
From: PECO
26-Mar-18
I thought the "Edge" was an approved version of the Rage? Maybe Randy had a failure and no longer endorses mechanicals?
From: Ambush
26-Mar-18
Or maybe Randy, with his vast field experience, realizes mechanicals are a superior hunting tool and still uses them.
From: Buglmin
26-Mar-18
Randy still uses the heads he has, and he still has a bunch of them. I was surprised when I seen the damage they did to elk, especially head on!!
From: Bowfreak
27-Mar-18
I would love to see someone work out the differences and release this head again.
From: rgb
27-Mar-18
Randy was on the Bowjunky podcast on 11/28/17 and mentioned that the Edge broadhead would be returning to the market soon. He didn't really provide any detail, but said that only a little patience would be required.
From: Shaft2Long
27-Mar-18
Well, if they do come out again I hope they are sharp. I looked at a couple packs when they first hit the store and those things were really dull.
From: SBH
27-Mar-18
During a podcast recently.......Randy said they were coming back under a new name but he couldn't disclose any information other then they would be back, and re branded.
From: t-roy
27-Mar-18
That was my thought too, shaft2long. They are single bevel, but I thought they could be sharper. They fly great and I killed a couple of does with them.
From: Kurt
27-Mar-18
Shot a Roosevelt elk, a grizzly, a blacktail, a couple whitetails and black bears with them. I don't like two blade heads as well as 3 or 4 blade heads, but the Ulmer Edges worked fine and flew perfectly.
From: TD
27-Mar-18
I thought it was his brother's head/company, not Randy's?
From: Bowfreak
28-Mar-18
It was TD but Randy of course shot them.
From: Kurt
28-Mar-18
1-1/2" wide when open, pivoting blades that lock into each other when activated, single bevel grind on the blades that are held closed with a rubber band. Tip is steel and well shaped. Regular thread version 100 gr had an aluminum body. Deep-6 threaded is one piece steel (at least in the 125 gr version).
The Ulmer Edge has no blade protrusion from the body when closed, and the "activation" tabs on the front of the blades are very small, resulting in the broadhead really flying like a field point. They were packaged with an extra screw that could be installed to totally lock the blades closed for practice. So all in all a unique design that didn't have a lot in common with the Rage.
From: Medicinemann
28-Mar-18
.....just remember to loosen/unscrew the set screw after target practice and before you go hunting. I know someone that forgot, and shot a nice buck with the equivalent of a target tip......
From: midwest
28-Mar-18
Jake, Did he recover the deer?
From: ELKMAN
28-Mar-18
Biggest piece of junk we ever tested. One season, 2 train wrecks on perfect shots, and done. (Original first year version)
From: Mark Watkins
28-Mar-18
I never had any issues with them.
The early versions were not very sharp.
Would carry two in my quiver on mountain hunts for "longer shots" in windy conditions.
The other benefit that I found on remote mountain hunts (many miles from the truck) is the daily abuse and beating that a bow takes in the rocks, scree, snow (and a few falls). IF your bow comes out of tune (and you are like me and have limited skills to re tune in a remote setting) because of this abuse, these heads still fly like darts...allowing your hunt to continue.
Mark
From: Tilzbow
28-Mar-18
Exactly what Mark wrote above; great option for mountain hunts. To expand on the sharpness issue, or lack thereof, I simply removed the blades, ran over a leather strop with Herb's Yellowstone compound and with a few strokes they'd shave hair. I used the 125 grain, non-Deep 6, stainless version and bought several packs when I heard they were discontinued. If I include those with the multiple packs of VPA heads, Slick Trick and German Kinetics I've got I'm sure I've got enough heads to last the rest of my life and probably another 20 years...
From: Willieboat
28-Mar-18
Great head... i have shot 6 deer with them over the last few years with them and those 6 deer haven't made it over 200 combined yards ;) !
From: t-roy
28-Mar-18
Maybe it was the bow you were shooting, ELKMAN! ;-)
From: StickFlicker
01-Apr-18
I spoke with Randy yesterday. He said that Easton bought the broadhead, and they will introduce their sleeker and more professionally manufactured version of it before the fall hunts.
From: Inshart
01-Apr-18
Agree with shaft2long - mine were also dull out of the package - threw them away.
From: ryanrc
01-Apr-18
Great news. I love those things.
From: Bowfreak
02-Apr-18
That is good news. Thanks Stickflicker.
From: ELKMAN
02-Apr-18
t-roy_- Of course it wasn't me shooting them, but I was there and involved unfortunately. (I only shoot one head period)
From: Ucsdryder
22-Jun-18
Ucsdryder's Link
Here’s the new head. Website says sevr, shipping address is to Easton. Randy ulmer has a short video on the site and states they are an improved head over the ulmer edge. 100 grain only is a deal killer for many, including myself.
From: Matt Palmquist
23-Jun-18
Look pretty great to me! The practice ability is what most mechanical heads lack.
From: Ironbow
23-Jun-18
Randy has written a lot about using 125 grain heads. Says that is what he uses. So why no 125 grain model?
From: bowbender77
23-Jun-18
Follow the money.
From: wildwilderness
23-Jun-18
I bet there will be. 125gr model depending on sales. May take a year or two.
The other option is to add weight in the insert. A 50/75 gr brass insert on Axis arrows with the 100 gr head will be fine.
On the injexion size I put two inserts in for extra weight up front since there aren’t great options for 125 gr deep six
From: Bowfreak
23-Jun-18
Just ordered a 7 pack. They are backordered.
From: otcWill
23-Jun-18
Original was my favorite mech. I'll be putting in a bulk order. Great head
From: Ucsdryder
23-Jun-18
They aren’t backordered. They are pre-orders. If they had a 125 option I’d be in.
From: carcus
24-Jun-18
The blades are too close to the tip, tip ain't long enough, this could mean deflection issues, im out, the original had a longer tip!
From: Hawkeye
24-Jun-18
I really liked the original. These look great. Are they still single bevel?
From: ELKMAN
24-Jun-18
Blades are waaay to close to the tip, and the blade angle is to steep. Another swing and a miss...
From: Ucsdryder
24-Jun-18
Elkman the blade angle looks very similar to the rage. Do you think rages are also a swing and a miss? ;)
From: Bowfreak
24-Jun-18
Ucs,
My receipt says backordered so I guess it's semantics.
From: Ambush
24-Jun-18
I really like the look of the point on this head. But I'm not a fan of the two blade and I'm already shooting the best broad head out there :-)
From: 12yards
24-Jun-18
Seriously, does anybody know why they have to have such a flat blade angle? Why can't they be more swept back? All these rear deploy heads seem to be that way.
From: 12yards
24-Jun-18
Double post for some reason.
From: Bowfreak
24-Jun-18
I suspect the steeper blade angle allows them to use shorter blades and a shorter ferrule. This would mean better flight charachteristics and less likelihood to bend a ferrule.
From: Bowfreak
24-Jun-18
From: ELKMAN
25-Jun-18
Mine aren't...
From: Bowfreak
25-Jun-18
Email response from Sevr regarding ship dates:
"Thank you for contacting SEVR Broadheads.
The expected ship date the week of 7/23."
From: Predeter
25-Jun-18
Ulmer was on South Cox's podcast and said 125gr heads would be coming next year.
From: Shrewski
29-Jun-18
Shrewski's Link
Here is my good deed for the day boys:
https://www.sevrbroadheads.com/mobile/
From: midwest
29-Jun-18
What't the good deed? Am I missing something?
From: Shrewski
29-Jun-18
The link to Ulmer’s new broadhead. I saw it has been released for sale.
From: midwest
29-Jun-18
Ok, gotcha. The link was posted above last week and looks like a few guys have ordered already. I think I'll hold out until a few guys test them.
Hawkeye, the picture looks like it's a double bevel.
From: Hawkeye
29-Jun-18
Thanks Nick!
From: Ucsdryder
29-Jun-18
I emailed them asking about a couple of the concerns brought up...if a broken blade will cause the other blade to fold into the ferule and if the blades close to the point will cause deflection. I got an immediate response that said he got my email and would give me a detailed response next week. I’ll post up his response.
From: HDE
29-Jun-18
Not a thing wrong with the design of this broadhead.
From: ELKMAN
30-Jun-18
Yeah there is...
From: Bowfreak
30-Jun-18
Let's be honest Elkman, if it was a Rage you would be shouting praises. I'll shoot them and then form an opinion.
From: Ucsdryder
30-Jun-18
Elkman, reading between the lines I think you and I have a lot in common and would get along great in person, but your constant sh*# talking of every bow that isn’t a Hoyt and every Broadhead that isn’t a rage sure gets old. It makes me not want to purchase either. You can promote rage, but that doesn’t mean you have to put down every other mechanical. You can promote Hoyt without calling the competition gimmick bows. Not sure if I’m on an island here but it has the opposite effect for me. It makes me want to shoot anything and everything else!
From: t-roy
30-Jun-18
Ucsdryder ....you’re definitely on an island.
Of course, Greenland is an island as well ;-)
From: HDE
30-Jun-18
"Yeah there is..."
Stop arguing with me son, it's getting old.
