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Space rain leaking?
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Contributors to this thread:
Bowfreak 05-May-18
Bou'bound 05-May-18
elk yinzer 05-May-18
Franklin 05-May-18
midwest 05-May-18
Bowfreak 06-May-18
midwest 06-May-18
TXHunter 06-May-18
Franzen 06-May-18
ACB 06-May-18
txhunter58 06-May-18
t-roy 06-May-18
Bowfreak 06-May-18
Teeton 06-May-18
Bloodtrail 06-May-18
Bowfreak 06-May-18
JTV 06-May-18
Franzen 07-May-18
JTV 07-May-18
Glunt@work 07-May-18
From: Bowfreak
05-May-18
I wore my space rain jacket today at a soccer game and it feels like the whole jacket is allowing moisture in. I am not soaked but I feel the wetness everywhere with it on. I've only had it on in one really rainy situation elk hunting but I don't remember it feeling like this. Is this normal?

From: Bou'bound
05-May-18
No it is not normal to get wet in rain gear particularly just watching vs being active.

From: elk yinzer
05-May-18
My experience even pricey raingear next to skin can definitely feel a bit clammy. If there is a true membrane out there that can actually prevent that I am sure I cannot afford it.

From: Franklin
05-May-18
I gave up on expensive rain gear....if I am happy getting a little wet I use a certain kind. If I want to be 100% dry it`s a PVC.

From: midwest
05-May-18
It's probably from jumping up and down, swearing at the refs, Mark!

From: Bowfreak
06-May-18
Lol. I don't know enough about soccer to even swear at the refs. When I was growing up you couldn't find a soccer ball withing 50 miles of where I live.

From: midwest
06-May-18
When I was a kid, you had to go to Europe to find a soccer ball. lol

From: TXHunter
06-May-18
I have felt “clammy” in my Space Rain gear also. It is now relegated to “emergency only “ gear for hunts I expect to be mostly dry weather.

I pack an Arcteryx Beta jacket and Mountain Hardware rain pants for hunts where I expect more wet weather. A little heavier/more bulky but I have found you can’t have it all when it comes to good rain gear.

From: Franzen
06-May-18
I'm in the yinzer and Franklin camp. I wore my KUIU Chugach on a turkey hunt with consistent moderate rain (I was primarily scouting at the time) and I was pretty damp after a couple hours. My under-clothes were not wringing wet, but pretty damp, especially on the horizontal surfaces like my shoulders. I can wear much cheaper stuff and have the same result really. The jacket has only been worn a handful of times, so it's not a case where it is past it's useful life. In a really active situation in the mountains, I've been pretty damp too (not even heavy rain), pit zips wide open and all.

From: ACB
06-May-18
When wearing rain gear if you will wear a merino layer next to the skin this helps with this problem.

From: txhunter58
06-May-18
There is definitely a difference in wearing these on a hunt vs wearing over a light shirt. If you wear them over a light Tshirt or button up cotton shirt, they will feel cold, clammy, and slightly "moist" But worn over more layers, this feeling of moisture goes away. I suspect it is not truly rain getting in, but moisture your body creates along with the "coldness" the rain on the outside transmits to your body.

From: t-roy
06-May-18
I’d be swearing if I had to GO to a soccer match!

txhunter58 X2. That clammy feeling goes away if I have a couple of layers on vs one light shirt.

From: Bowfreak
06-May-18
It feels like it was only in the shoulder area and through the arms. Also....I could take it off and feel the moisture in these areas.

From: Teeton
06-May-18
I agree on what some above have said..

What u wear under the rain gear makes all the different.

One more note, I wish some rain gear had some kinda rubber on the shoulders where ur backpacks shoulder straps cross. Wearing a backpack in rain in a breathable rain jacket I believe the shoulder straps Force water in. I have worn my Cabela's SpaceSaver rain jacket with no backpack and stayed fairly dry, put a backpack on and wear in the same type of rain my shoulders get wet.

From: Bloodtrail
06-May-18
How cold was it outside? I always get wetness inside my light rain jacket. I’m warm and I give off off moisture. When it’s cold outside and the dew point is high enough that the moisture coming off my body turns into water inside my jacket. It’s very common.

You’re not leaking, you’re just collecting your own water vapor inside faster than it can escape through the pores of the jacket.

From: Bowfreak
06-May-18
It was 60. I was completely comfortable and standing not sweating. It was just odd that it was only wet in he sleeves and round shoulder to trap area on the back of the jacket.

From: JTV
06-May-18

JTV's Link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore-Tex

Early Gore-Tex fabric replaced the inner layer of PU with a thin, porous fluoropolymer membrane (Teflon) coating that is bonded to a fabric. This membrane had about 9 billion pores per square inch (around 1.4 billion pores per square centimeter). Each pore is approximately 1/20,000 the size of a water droplet, making it impenetrable to liquid water while still allowing the more volatile water vapour molecules to pass through.

The outer layer of Gore-Tex fabric is coated on the outside with a Durable Water Repellent (DWR) treatment. The DWR prevents the main outer layer from becoming wet, which would reduce the breathability of the whole fabric. However, the DWR is not responsible for the jacket being waterproof - this is a common misconception. *****Without the DWR, the outer layer would become soaked, there would be no breathability, and the wearer's sweat being produced on the inside would fail to evaporate, leading to dampness there. This might give the appearance that the fabric is leaking when in fact it is not.***** Wear and cleaning will reduce the performance of Gore-Tex fabric by wearing away this Durable Water Repellent (DWR) treatment. The DWR can be reinvigorated by tumble drying the garment or ironing on a low setting.[16]

Gore requires that all garments made from their material have taping over the seams, to eliminate leaks. Gore's sister product, Windstopper, is similar to Gore-Tex in being windproof and breathable, but has ability to stretch and is not waterproof. The Gore naming system does not imply specific technology or material but instead specific set of performance characteristics.[17]

From: Franzen
07-May-18
In my case, I was wearing a FirstLite Llano underneath. I don't think I was wearing another layer, but may have had my turkey vest on. Undoubtedly, most or all of the moisture was coming from inside the jacket. However, that's supposed to be the allure of the more expensive rain gear; i.e. allowing the moisture inside to escape and not build up.

From: JTV
07-May-18
"Suppose to" ...

From: Glunt@work
07-May-18
Some garments work to a degree but keep all water out and allowing moisture to leave is a tall order.

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