Alaska Wood Bison
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IdyllwildArcher 03-Jun-18
Glunt@work 03-Jun-18
IdyllwildArcher 03-Jun-18
Treeline 03-Jun-18
Treeline 03-Jun-18
Missouribreaks 03-Jun-18
Glunt@work 03-Jun-18
mitchelk 03-Jun-18
Tjw 03-Jun-18
Tjw 03-Jun-18
Duke 03-Jun-18
LKH 03-Jun-18
PushCoArcher 04-Jun-18
IdyllwildArcher 04-Jun-18
Glunt@work 04-Jun-18
smarba 04-Jun-18
Pete In Fairbanks 04-Jun-18
Medicinemann 04-Jun-18
smarba 04-Jun-18
Pete In Fairbanks 05-Jun-18
smarba 05-Jun-18
cubdriver 06-Jun-18
IdyllwildArcher 06-Jun-18
t-roy 06-Jun-18
03-Jun-18

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I just got the latest Wood Bison News in the mail (issue 10) and thought it was an interesting enough read to post. Interestingly enough, it's estimated that prior to modern times, there were up to 160,000 wood bison in AK.

I'd seen the moose migration map of the last 100 years and the elders up in Kotzebue region note not seeing any moose there prior to the 1950s.

It'd be fantastic to see these animals spread widely across AK and be widely huntable. I hope they do more transplants.

From: Glunt@work
03-Jun-18
Pretty silly that we go through so much trouble trying to re-establish wolves before we re-establish what was probably the most prolific prey animal in NA.

03-Jun-18
So true, although, this is AK F&G as opposed to the Feds.

From: Treeline
03-Jun-18
Really great success story! Congratulations to Alaska Game and Fish in their efforts to bring this species back from extinction in Alaska! Should only be a few years until the population is large enough for hunting!

From: Treeline
03-Jun-18
The wolves are a pathway to expanding federal government control over the western US. The wolf “reintroduction” was a prelude to limiting/eliminating hunting by humans, logging, livestock grazing, mining, petroleum extraction, etc.

03-Jun-18
Treeline understands it!

From: Glunt@work
03-Jun-18
Yep. Wolves are a winner for leftys. It hurts hunting, hurts commercial activity, grows government and takes power away from the local level.

From: mitchelk
03-Jun-18
Right on treeline

From: Tjw
03-Jun-18
They have been culling bison in yellowstone. How come the wolves havent hit them?. I guess elk and moose are easier targets. Just weird..

From: Tjw
03-Jun-18
They have been culling bison in yellowstone. How come the wolves havent hit them?. I guess elk and moose are easier targets. Just weird..

From: Duke
03-Jun-18
+1 Treeline.

From: LKH
03-Jun-18
I think only one or two packs target bison. They are a much tougher kill

From: PushCoArcher
04-Jun-18
I saw a nature documentary once that showed 3 wolves taking down a bull muskox. Not sure what the difference in size between a bison and muskox is but am pretty sure calfs would be easy pickings.

04-Jun-18
Alone, sure - a calf would have no chance. Wood Bison are more than twice the size of Muskox though. A mature male muskox will weight in around 900 lbs. A mature male wood bison is over 2000 lbs.

From: Glunt@work
04-Jun-18
Vid of wolves hunting bison. Successful, but interesting ending.

From: smarba
04-Jun-18
Treeline gets it. Sadly most hunters do not. If the treehuggers were ACTUALLY interested in animals, nature, the ecosystem, etc. they would be pushing for reintroduction/expanding ALL species, including bison. But they ONLY care about predators. Why?

04-Jun-18
In the "little known facts" department regarding the reintroduction of Wood Bison to Alaska...

This project was ready to go along time ago. The bison were brought to Alaska from Canada and stashed in pens near Portage. BUT, the project was but sidelined for YEARS because of the... wait for it.... the US Fish and Wildlife Service. FWS objected to the transplant for two reasons.

First, they tried to ignore the tons of data showing that Wood Bison had roamed Alaska for years in the past. We have skulls, bones, etc in museums all over the state. FWS did not put any credence on the oral history contributions of the Athabascans of the Yukon Flats and Upper Yukon/Black River country. FWS claimed that wood bison were not native to Alaska and thus this was not a REintroduction.

Next, the FWS was upset that the St of Alaska insisted that when the population built up after a while, that we be allowed to hunt them. This culminated in another few years of FWS bureaucratic wrangling to designate the bison as a special exception (I think its called 10-j "experimental population" or some such) so that we could begin to hunt this "endangered species" when we had developed a surplus.

Bottom line? When the FWS wants to "reintroduce" a species (like wolves for instance) its balls to the wall to get it done and who cares what states and affected citizens think.

But when a STATE wants to reintroduce a species and "Gasp" maybe hunt it in the future, FWS drags their feet for years and years.

A regrettable double standard that tends to show the true colors of a once fine federal agency that has turned into little more than another bunch of environmental whackadoodles.

I'm glad that ADFG stuck to their guns and got this accomplished. And thanks to SCI and the villagers in the Innoko area for sticking with us to get it done.

Pete

From: Medicinemann
04-Jun-18
I hunted Wood bison in Alberta in 2005. We were wayyyy back in the woods and I turned to Earl and said let's go over by that small cabin. He said "What small cabin?" I said that one over there, and I pointed......then the Wood Bison stood up. They are an immense animal......the only North American mammal that is larger, is the pinnipeds (there is your new word for the day....aka....the Pacific Walrus). I killed mine with one shot, and when that arrow hit him, he switched ends in an instant. He thought that he'd been horned by another bull, and he was ready to rumble. A Wood Bison had killed a gun hunter the year before I went up there (2005). My hunting buddy shot one with an 30-06 several times before it went down. I got that entire bull butchered (the back straps were over 5 feet long) and the guide came up to me and told me that my bull had tested positive for tuberculosis. All of the meat was to be confiscated and destroyed......man, was I bummed......sure hope that they didn't have a party after I left.......I can hear it now...."Can you BELIEVE that he fell for the tuberculosis routine!!....LOL!!".......now let's get all of this meat into our freezers!!

From: smarba
04-Jun-18
Good info Pete regarding "the rest of the story".

Heartbreaker Medicinemann - having to dispose of 5' backstraps, plus that entire mountain of meat.

05-Jun-18
Shooting a wood bison here in Alaska is on my bucket list.

Considering that it took me 37 years to draw a plains bison tag here, I'm guessing that I will go to my grave without the wood bison! Meanwhile, it is great to know that they are once again wild in Alaska and that a bunch of calves are being born every Spring.

Pete

From: smarba
05-Jun-18
Pete: I hear you. I've been applying for bison in AK since I was about 12. I keep applying even though I've since moved out of state and the odds have dropped so much I don't hold hope of ever pulling a tag. I was blessed to join my dad and sis on each of their respecive bison hunts, but they pulled tags back in the day when it was "easy" compared to now.

From: cubdriver
06-Jun-18
Thanks for all of the packing help, Smarba!! It was fun..

06-Jun-18
If wood bison really start to take off, I wonder if they'll give tags for the rest of the plains bison to eliminate the herds.

I hope there's more reintroductions. 20 calves a year is a pretty slow road to 100,000+ animals.

From: t-roy
06-Jun-18
Way to go, Ak. F&G! Very informative thread as well.

Pretty crummy thing that one bison did to his buddy in the video, when he plowed into him. Kinda like shooting your hunting partner in the kneecap when the bear starts chasing you!

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