wildwilderness's Link
Why is P&Y not providing this info? I know there are differences between B&C and P&Y boundaries so they can’t default to the other….
My interactions with P&Y have usually been less then expected, and relatively uninformative (other than a few quality Bowsiters affiliated). And at times condescending….
https://www.boone-crockett.org/category-boundaries-big-game-records
I know B&C and P&Y have differences on at least ram couple species. Bison is one, and Central Barren Ground Caribou another
Part of my frustration is in the past they would NOT give a straight answer if a specific hunt area or geographic area was acceptable. This was from Eli? Who died of Covid? Specifically Bison it was not clear and was dismissive saying you could always submit stuff on a cases by case basis……
That is ridiculous since I want to know before I put in for a hunt (draw, lottery etc) or pay to book a hunt, said area and animals would qualify for P&Y!!!
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There are actually no BOUNDARY differences between the two Clubs. However, there are two differences on what each Club will accept into their respective records program from within those regions/boundaries documented in the 2021 joint P&Y/B&C official measurers manual. Those two differences are Central Canada Barren Ground Caribou and Bison. The caribou difference is that P&Y will ACCEPT caribou from Greenland as CCBGC. B&C will not. Bison is a bit more restrictive for P&Y inclusion based on Fair Chase issues, determined by the records committee. If you look at that section (See Jason’s post above), it clearly states where each respective club will accept Bison from. These are the only specie acceptance differences (other than walrus and Jaguar).
You are correct, as the updated wording of species boundaries is not on the new P&Y website, rather it is referred to the official measuring manual. (I didn’t realize that either) I will ask the Executive Director to see what it would take to have our boundary descriptions listed on our website for easier reference. Hopefully it’s something that’s not too labor/cost intensive and an easy update. Hope it helps.
Roy Grace P&Y Records Chairman
A few years ago, in pursuit of a Mt Caribou was talking to various outfitters at a convention. One outfitter out of the Yukon answered my question of what species of caribou he had with “well what species do you want it to be called”.
Treeline's Link
I think P&Y could piggyback/add a link or add the B&C information on P&Y website.
Both clubs are in much greater alignment than in years past. With just a little editing, this could cover both club’s positions for acceptance of species. Definitely worth doing…
I appreciate the responses from the alluded to Bowsiters affiliated with P&Y that helped answer the questions.
Yes I did mention CCBG and Bison. I am still mission Bison thus my interest!
"No Mercy" could you include figure 2-N?
Whether it makes book or not it would still be a record - the first CT forum live hunt that resulted in a kill.
As Roy pointed out P&Y EXCLUDEs a few herds that B&C accepts.
In the past my question was in respect to the Utah Book Cliffs hunt, which I see has been officially resolved in the scorers manual to be accepted.
I do wish P&Y would have this info readily accessible online, heck I would even make a donation if they need some $ to update it .
