Michael Moore took one of the young victims that was confined to a wheelchair to Kmart, and convinced Kmart to stop selling ammunition. But the shootings continue.
We declared schools as gun free zones. But the shootings continue.
We make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to buy guns. But the shootings continue.
We teach kids to duck and cover in class. But the shootings continue.
We attempt to make background checks more intense and dig deeper into ones past. But the shootings continue.
We attempt to punish people for being bullies and hurting other people’s feelings. But the shootings continue.
Democrats continue to declare that our schools must be made safer each time it happens. But the shootings continue.
School officials insist that visitors need to check in with staff before entering school premises. But the shootings continue.
We train police to respond rapidly when a situation occurs. But the shootings continue.
We praise the Pink Pistol Club so trans people can protect themselves from discrimination and violence against them. But the shootings continue.
China Joe blames republicans for not passing more gun control laws. But the shootings continue.
Did I miss anything? How is it that these efforts have not made our children safer? Please feel free to add anything I might have forgotten. Eventually the solution should magically reveal itself.
2. NO firearm sales to anyone who checks the "NON-BINARY" box on the Federal firearms purchase form. Mentally deranged people have NO business having firearms.
Remember 9/11? Since then it’s a pain in the ass to get on an airplane. Every single passenger must comply to TSA regulations before boarding a plane. Remove your shoes, empty your pockets, pass thru a body scanner, X-ray your carry on bags. It sucks…because it works. It’s become standard operating procedure, and we deal with it. Nowadays the biggest threat to air travel is choosing pilots and controllers for their race and gender rather than their skills and experience.
Please remind me, how many hijackings have taken place on flights originating in the USA since 9/11?
He makes a good point. I used to live near Madison Wisconsin. Property taxes are high there. I discovered one of the reasons for that is because they build huge schools with all the best and most expensive equipment available. The one near my home had a gymnasium with a retractable floor that covered an Olympic size swimming pool. It’s ridiculous the money they spend which doesn’t benefit anyone in getting a “better” education.
Please remind me, how many hijackings have taken place on flights originating in the USA since 9/11?g.
However, As long as we have the freedom to purchase firearms, there will always be deranged lunatics that take advantage of that liberty. And use it to hurt innocent people. Is it worth it? Absolutely.
Which is why I can’t fathom not having a police force armed and on duty at every public school in this country. If the county doesn’t have the money, we should take it from the federal budget that our politicians come up with every year. Which dies nothing for American interests except lining the pockets of and building the protection of foreign interests in other countries.
It’s such an easy problem to fix. So easy. Yet, we can’t get it done for our own children. Instead, both parties fight over who’s going to help the American people. While doing nothing but preserving their campaign interests.
EVERYTIME one of these shootings happen I blame the shooter first. Then our legislative branch in a very close second. They are t afraid to pass laws that screw us. But, won’t do the first things go protect our children and young people. Just like the shooters, they are pure evil to the bone and driven by it.
…but then the IRS will be knocking on my door tomorrow…..
Also If they can infringe on the 2nd amendment. Then they can certainly remove all forms of social media from anyone under 21. And or remove certain discussions on social media.
I have more brutal ideas that Israel would most likely enact. But will not post that on social media. The IRS May knock on my door
Raise your hands if you saw months of construction work at your local school for the new ventilation systems, windows and wall insulation it was supposedly for.
For the Libs on here. That was a rhetorical question. You can’t raise your hand on Bowsite.
Know God, know freedom, no God, no freedom.(government can't fill his shoes, though it tries)
Why do kids today not only desire , but are actually willing to mass murder their fellow classmates but kids/people from the 80s, 70s, 60s,etc weren't?
Whelp that village is out working two jobs to scrape by and this is the result you get. Late stage capitalism/decay.
That doesnt exist anymore. I'm a "DINK"(dual income no kids). We both have legit careers and still cant afford the average home in our area.
I never said Americans dont work hard, in fact we work more than every other developed country. Yet this is what we have to show for it.
Protecting schools would be simple and cost effective. But, if politian's solved that problem they would loose part of their anti gun platform.
The root of the problem? Mental health! Sane people do not kill innocent kids.
How to change that problem in our system? I have no idea how to fix or address mental health in a free nation without taking away personal rights and freedoms. Something needs done though (beside the same things that haven't worked time and time again).
every school should have at least one armed and trained security officer. hell, i went to the social security office the other day and they have an armed security guard...what at the social security office is more important than our children?
I was watching the news the other night and they reported a big city school system (forget which one) that was planning to bring back armed police to the schools in the wake of all these school shootings. Seems they removed the Police from the schools a few years ago after the George Floyd fiasco.........................I thought that was very ironic! I guess they realized it’s more important to keep their kids safe ............................than to be WOKE!
love how you dont see the irony/ hypocrisy in your comments.
Rockyd... not sure what your on about. How is my question not relevant? There's a lot of reasons why school shootings happen. And lots of ways to stop them.
Lax Gun laws is one of them, lack of armed guards, etc .
But the root issue is why are way more kids/ people willing to mass kill others unlike decades prior?
The answer to that isn't "guns" or "lack of armed guards".
Also, again the purchasing power of a dollar isnt what it was. 100k a year job isnt what it was. The average home in my area is a half a million dollars. For a sub 2000sq ft 1960 home.
Dont worry about weeding out teachers who are "failing". They are quitting in droves... LOW PAY, a$$#@!e kids and parents, ability to get shot on the job, and burn out has them leaving. So dont worry about that.
-"crap they see on the internet every day, momma and daddy can’t stay married, little sis is pregnant at 15 years,"-
Rofl!!! The elected wh#re Lauren boebert grandma at age 36 has entered the chat.
I cant with this hypocrisy lol
If it’s everything except the teachers fault, why are they so hell bent on teaching kids about trans, gender, homosexuality, rather than math, reading, science, and history?
Parent are assholes to teachers because teachers think they own our children and can do with them as they wish! That’s not their job.
Lax Gun laws is one of them,
Tell us, what "new" gun law is going to stop the shootings?
FACT: You could confiscate every AR known to man in the US and it wouldn't stop the shootings.
Armed teachers, law enforcement, etc. in schools is NOT a good solution. Before they can engage, the threat has to be identified. In other words, a shooting has already started. They MAY be able to limit the body count - or add to it unless their training is sufficient to the task.
You guys are so concerned with YOUR right to carry guns everywhere, but are pretty quick to limit other's rights: Take guns away from people you don't agree with. Force them into your religious beliefs. Limit who can have kids. (Actually, I like that last one.) Fire all the teachers because we have such a glut of them already.
There are no perfect answers. But some things might help.
Real background checks to own or possess a firearm, with significant penalties. It should include a robust criminal history AND mental health history and screening. HIPPA laws would have to changed for that, and screening is necessary since mental health issues are often not reported or addressed. There should also be a robust firearms course required. More than the NRA joke of a course.
Real gun free zones. That takes more than a sign on a door. There should be metal detectors AND a secure place for law abiding citizens to store their weapon so as not to infringe on their rights when coming and going from the gun free zone.
Semi auto long guns with more than 5 rounds are unnecessary for hunting or self defense. Make them illegal.
Eliminating death and mayhem video games might help desensitizing that behavior in the real world.
Of course, any real solutions are out of the question. You guys would scream bloody murder and won't even engage in discussing solutions with the "wacko woke" Democrats. So we'll just keep on keeping a body count score.
KsRancher has a point. But unless we require passing some significant parenting education before allowing anyone to procreate, we have to accept that. In fact, unless they have a degree in education, they should stay out of the education system all together. Professionals should be deciding what books and curriculum are appropriate. If you don't agree, educate (indoctrinate) your own kids at home.
We can't control the craziness in the world but we can talk to kids and maybe, just maybe help one from making a horrible decision that could alter the lives of many.
Again, I don't have the answer because if I did, I would have shared it and stopped it long ago. I just know there are a lot of people out there that could be positive roll models to the next generation that is going to run this nation in a few short year.
Trnco... you entirely missed the point I was making between my two questions. Who's answers to one are solutions to the symptom and the other who's answer is the solution to the actual problem.
Just for arguments sake though. If you literally got rid of all guns there would be no school shootings. But again, that's not what I'm suggesting we do.
American freedom/rights come from God as stated in the Declaration of Independence. That defined the Americans to be a self-governing people. It's the ungodly who are tolerated that have turned the country upsidedown. Europe was governed by church/state and our framers of the Constitution didn't want that, HOWEVER, they never endorsed a separation between God and country, as the liberals/leftists/progressives/woke, do.
Ziek, so either you don’t have kids, or you’re ok with them being encouraged to get transgender surgery at the age of 12?
If you hire a contractor to build your house, do you tell him how you want it to be built, or do you just let him do his job and be happy with what he chose to give you?
Please clarify, because that’s what I hear you saying.
That's my point... there is no parenting cause both parents need to work over 40 hours to make ends meet. The root cause of much of society's problems is in fact wealth disparity. Spare the rod spoil the child. Well dad cant afford the rod and he's too busy working to use it. You dismissed my point while simultaniously pointing out the end result of it.
Wish I had a solution. I'd be all for trying to catch these murders alive. Then I'd like to see them taken immediately to the nearest tree and hanged, with the body left to rot. I know it would never happen in today's society, but I think it may be a deterrent.
Teachers are as much of the problem as parents and kids. Teachers will leave your kids without an education so they can go on strike and ask for more money. Then they try to justify it by saying, “ we’re doing it for the kids!”
BS! Teachers are as selfish as the rest of humanity when they neglect their “ job” to benefit themselves!
70#. First, your characterization that they're being "encouraged" is wrong and is just far right propaganda. As to your house analogy, I tell them what I want, how I want it to look etc. I also have some experience in house building, so I'm going to keep an eye on how they get there. The vast majority of people can't even swing a hammer, they're better off letting the builder do his job. Fully half the population falls below average intelligence. They're better off letting educated people educate.
Most everyone else, is trying to define the problem. I'm not seeing much in the way of solutions to even begin to discuss. If it's a problem with parenting, whether they don't have the time or resources, or wouldn't know how to begin with, what's the solution? Many of us grew up successful, and responsible as much despite our parenting, as because of it, no matter their best efforts and good intentions. I know parents who's kids don't want for anything, so they never learned how to work for anything. That's not a wealth disparity issue.
It’s an individual mentality that causes this. The only cure is the God of the Bible. However, since people tend to think they are too edumucated for that, we will never get the cure.
Instead, we’d better be meeting threat with force. That’s what works with irrational people. Not feel good ideas. But, the idea of you do this, you are going to die. That’s the deterrent for a lot of these folks.
However, it’s the only thing that makes sense. Have people in place go kill these people as quick as possible. Sympathizing with evil doesn’t work. Killing evil does.
It's estimated that actually taxing the top half of the 1% at the proper rates(no loopholes) would bring every american out of poverty.
Yeah but sure, tell me how important billionaires are
Matt
@Ziek, this part from your post above is the only thing that has any merit to it. The rest is just ludicrous...
The vast majority of "male" shooters have been Fatherless, (which is a statistic that has risen exponentially since then). So...the narrative that it all stems from "male aggression" being passed along, is bullshit (also sort of negates the "both parents working" thing)
We've lost sight of core values (eg: respect for people, property, human life, God). Kids have their phones in their face, 24-7...they don't really talk to (relate to) their parents, like they used to.
So many of the shooters, have been on antidepressants as well. Chemical solutions, to being unhappy with a life, that's being constantly compared to a virtual reality.
The World has changed, to the point that actual reality is something that Kids avoid, at all costs.
Matt
When you as the "homeowner" tells the contractor to build your house on the dirt with no foundation.
You might want to reread my post. I didn’t say anything about building on dirt with no foundation. Your lack of credibility is showing!!
The fact that you’re a bit dense doesn’t constitute a backfire.
Teachers are paid with taxpayer money. Therefore, teachers should teach in accordance with the people that pay their salaries.
If you don’t understand it, it’s on you. I highly doubt that you’re dense, but I don’t doubt that you practice liberal deflection in an effort to change the point.
It's grand when dribble like that comes from people who cash checks from pension plans and SOCIAL security, and wait/ need medicare to retire.... all socialist "communnist" programs
Grey ghost... guess I should move to one of those poor red states that use more government assistance than anyone else? Couldn't afford a house in ny so doesnt really matter lol, what part are you not understanding? I make above average pay but cant afford a below average housing. The system is broken.
My daughter is an elementary teacher in a gun free zone. They suggested an aerosol can of wasp spray for a weapon… it could work, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.. I visited the grandkids in school one time. She slipped up behind me and whispered in my ear “ your not carrying are you”.. to which I replied “ if a bad guy ever enters your classroom I’m praying some one will be packing”… and yes, I was..
I’m retired now & would be thrilled to take my turn standing guard at a school as I’m sure many of us old guys would. I do my part at church every Sunday when in attendance.
The assault weapon laws that are in progress will do nothing. Confiscation will turn us into a socialist nation & we all have seen the boxcars that leads us to.. I get so sick of seeing these habitual criminals being released from jails only to turn around a few days later & take someone’s life. Guantanamo is practically empty.. Theres plenty of vacancies!
There isn’t 1 specific answer, but I do believe we could spend a lot of money making our kids safer that would be more beneficial than what we are spending it on.
Done with my rant.
Matt
It's an issue for the country and younger generations, not just my little woe is me. I dont expect most here to see the big picture on this sort of thing. I'll just go look for my extra bootstraps.
Wild when two average incomes in the usa combined can't afford an average house and people dont see an issue. And instead place blame on the working class. You guys would be the same people in the 1880s arguing as to why we need to keep 12 hour days and why child labor is a good thing. What a joke
Simply put, the average american cant afford a home and you're okay with it.
My wife and I started our relationship living paycheck to paycheck in a one-bedroom rental apartment in SE Denver. We now own two $million properties with no debt, and we both retired early with adequate IRAs to live the lifestyle we've earned.
We have friends who are 25 years younger than us who are in much better financial shape than we were at their age. The US is still the land of opportunity, if you have the desire, drive, and work ethic. Unfortunately, it's easier to blame the "system" than acknowledge your own short-comings.
Matt
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-" US is still the land of opportunity, if you have the desire, drive, and work ethic. Unfortunately, it's easier to blame the "system" than acknowledge your own short-comings."-
the average american doesnt deserve to have what I have- matt
There i fixed that for ya
Matt
just to be clear, do you mean two average incomes can't afford an average home, or do you mean two average incomes can't afford an average home...in addition to new cell phones...laptops...internet services...streaming services...car payments...college debt...craft beer...starbucks coffee...eating multiple meals out each week...new bows/hunting equipment/apparel/trips/tags/guns/ammo...interest on installment debt, yada...yada...yada.
People like your parents used to be the norm. They worked their tails off and wanted their kids to have more than they did. They taught their kids the value of hard work. They also cared and loved their kids. They wanted the best for them and expected them to behave at school and to respect authority. What I see now, living in an extremely poor county, is that those parents who are poor no longer push their kids to better themselves. They tell them, you are poor, you are always going to be poor and there is no way out. Here is the system and this is how you beat it. There is still a demographic of working poor in my county that are just like your parents. They bust their butts and want the best for their kids. Unfortunately they are dwindling in numbers as it is so much easier to just give up and get on the government dole now. I really don’t know what the answer is when people have no desire to rise from poverty. Even the most well intentioned person who tells a kid they can do better for themselves can't counteract the opposite narrative that comes from family members and friends.
Matt
This is why it comes down to each individual making themselves a hard target. Hard as in armed. Let those who don’t want to arm get shot. In the case of schools the kids can’t arm but every adult that can pass a background check should be allowed/taught/ and incentivized to carry.
I think of the parents and the families of the innocent victims.
It’s incomprehensible.
Any second, anywhere, anytime.
Bingo
But we never thought of taking them to school or shooting other kids or teachers. We never considered driving by a school and shooting kids standing around.
Seems like we need to spend more time evaluating what the hell changed, and start by addressing that instead of the symptoms.
For all we know those 3 nine year olds were taught not to bully, to be kind and be respectful. That didn't protect them. Of course those are things kids need to be taught but fixing what's broken will likely take decades. That's after we agree on what it is and agree to change. Seems like a long way off. Until then, let's at least protect kids as much as we would a bag of cash going from the grocery store to a Brinks truck.
I hate having to have armed security at schools but our reality is what it is despite me not liking it. Both my kid's schools were locked down today due to threats.
Probably dumb kids trying to get a day off but maybe not.
Glunt, I’m curious. What is it about armed security guards in schools that you are opposed to? It seems to me if they’re in plain clothes and concealed carry, they would blend in with school staff. Please elaborate.
The increased child tax credits from 2021 brought 30% of children out of poverty. 250$ a month and 30% of kids are no longer in poverty.
Look up how low the poverty threshold is. Yup, gonna have a problem with the existence of billionaires when it coincides with facts like that
So, poverty level kids and their parents got further incentive to stay on the government dole instead of doing something useful with their lives. Awesome.
Soccer, I just don't get your sense of entitlement to what other people have earned. You moved to an area where hundreds of thousands of people can afford to own a house and live. Yet, because you can't afford it, you think the "system is broken". It wasn't broken for all those other people.
How old are you?
Matt
Wishing for more/better family values, or how it was when we were kids isn't a solution unless you have a plan for how to achieve that. A good start would be to STOP the current divide between political parties. That wasn't the case when I was a kid. Us versus them on both sides doesn't work. If adults can't work together to solve problems, how do you expect your kids to? Electing leaders that can't disagree respectfully, but instead resort to name calling and retribution is certainly contributing to the problem. Minding your own business would also help. Not everybody has to live the way you do. Religious beliefs, sexual orientation, autonomy/rights with regard to a persons body is their business, not yours.
With respect to these truly random mass shootings (ie, not random in planning, but random in terms of the approach to victims is largely indiscriminate beyond a person being in a particular place at a particular time), the are generally perpetrated by someone who displayed prior warning signs and has a history of mental health issues. We need to strengthen the mechanisms to keep guns out of their hands - including strengthening background check systems to ensure that mental health issues aren't overlooked and also implementing red flag laws where they don't exist.
I think we need to recognize the ubiquitousness of modern firearms and accessories and their ability to inflict damage. The answer is keeping them out of the wrong hands, not restricting law-abiding citizens access to them. In fact, as a compliment to the above actions on background checks and red flag laws, I would like to see other restrictions on firearms - particularly those around the National Firearms Act - rolled back. I would also like to see nationwide constitutional carry implemented.
Matt
I'm not opposed to it, I advocate for it. I agree they can be in place without being overt. The right ones would also be a positive roll model. What I hate is that it's necessary.
Schools being gun free zones is like a cruise ship being a life jacket free zone.
In general, these shootings stop when a good guy shows up with a gun. I want that guy (or gal) there before it starts.
There is. Evidence must be provided for an order to be acted on, and there is a time limit the order stays in effect.
LPG tank bombs were present at Columbine. Found before they were detonated. Nobody increased their regulatory use either.
ANFO-Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil-responsible for some of the biggest bombings in modern history-no additional regulations for access or use.
Soy beans to make Sarin gas-no additional regulations.
Common bioagents grown with common materials released on a City Council in Oregon-no additional regulations on access or creation of them.
Am I making a strong enough point here? It's not the firearms stupid government regulators...
Also, a gun would not have stopped any of these attacks..
Its morality and mental health. The idea that killing other people is acceptable in the minds of the terrorist.
Even after all these things, I can go into ways to how a person can still breach a school at any given time. But I wont.
Unless taxpayers/parents want their neighborhood school to look like and become a prison atmosphere, there will be school shootings. The targets are just too easy.
Ive yet to see a prison shooting .
So some jaded ex cant just have police take your guns on a he said she said.
For reference "probably cause" which is needed for cops to arrest you requires a lower burden of proof( and no judge) than preponderance of the evidence does. The red flag law is also civil in nature rather than criminal
After the vaccine, mask, distancing and lockdown mandates it would be silly to think red flag laws wouldn be abused.
Look how some of the nonviolent, no property damage Jan 6 protestors are being treated.
Skepticism is warranted.
Matt
Yes he did end up with the children in the end, but what a bunch of BS he had to put up with from his crazy ex-wife..
A bed sheet and an absent security guard is all you need to kill somebody in prison. Just ask Jeffrey Epstein. I bet he wishes the security guard was there before his attack!
On another note the whole "Take the $ from the billionaires" argument is soooooo nauseating. Do I think a person needs that much money? Heck no. Would it be nice if they used it for good in society? Sure, but I have zero and I mean zero reason or entitlement to have any and I mean ANY input on how they spend THEIR money. That's such a pansy approach to solving problems is taking someone else's rightful property because in your mind "they don't need it, so therefore the rest of us should share it."
With the general lack of proper teaching going on for anyone with a work ethic it's easier than ever to do well in life. One of the gas stations I would frequent had an Indian guy (from India) working the pumps. I'd also see him at another gas station. Turns out he was pumping gas in two different stations. Number of years later same guy owns one of the stations. He's proud as hell and rightfully so. He just decided to work an average of 12 hours a day throughout the week and now he owns the joint and is the boss. That's by PUMPING GAS. Literally the bottom most bottom of the barrel job in society and look what he's done for himself.
"I can't afford the average home...half million and 2,000sqft." Come again? Sounds like a hell of a home. If that's average I imagine you're in a pretty ritzy area of the country. I don't think any average person is "supposed" to own a 2,000sq ft home and if you over extend yourself buying that kind of home too early in life you'll be paying for it the rest of your life and that's bad decision making and/or lack of knowledge. Both can be taught, and should be taught in school. When I got married we lived in a 700sq ft apartment for a year, then bought an 825 sq ft house while my wife and I were both still in University, but I worked near full time hours and she also worked. Yes we ate bulk bin brown rice for more meals than I'd like to but it's possible. I remember hearing young people getting married saying "I can't live in anything under 1800ft" Well that right there is your income problem. Starting small just doesn't seem to be an option for some people. Having it rough isn't an option. Bussing an hour to University isn't an option because it sucks. They need to start life with what their parents ended theirs with. Being a half million dollar home the second the bank allows could make you house poor your entire life. Waiting until you are 45 to buy that home is an entirely different financial outlook.
Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, as with the Creator. It doesn't work without the source of those rights, as is witnessed in todays society.
I see no solution to that. Of course, other highly populated countries have made big inroads - if you can't control the people, remove the weapons.
In order to keep guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them, they have to be identified, BEFORE they start committing mayhem, not after. We have the means to have an impact there, but of course, it's expensive and invasive. So we choose mass killings instead.
When he became abusive to my cousin, she called me and pleaded for me to come confiscate his gun collection, while she got psychological help for him. I was reluctant to get involved, but I did out of concern for her safety. An LEO met me at their house on the day I came for the guns (the husband was away for a few hours). The LEO ran a criminal check on me before allowing me to take the weapons.
Then, my cousin got a court order to have her husband admitted to a psychiatric hospital. It was either that, or she was going to leave him. After about 2 months, he snapped out of his mental condition, and was released. I returned his guns, and he’s been fine ever since. Both my cousin and her husband are grateful for my help in a very difficult situation. They’re happy and enjoying life again.
Did we prevent a tragic situation from happening? Who knows? But, I’d do it all over again.
Matt
Ziek, the largest generation ever is fixin' to die off before long so we'll be fine on your ridiculous overpopulation soapbox...
I’ve often wondered, with all the new and more potent drugs these days, fentanyl, crack, meth, etc. as well as the increase of people that abuse them, do we have an over abundance of children being born with more intense mental issues than we used to? I know there are plenty of women that abuse those drugs throughout their pregnancies.
That's not what the data shows. There is a process and there are checks and balances.
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I'm talking about law enforcement and judiciaries. No clue what you're talking about.
What I don’t understand, is that when someone suggests armed guards, heavy security measures, metal detectors, etc. someone always pipes up and points out certain imperfections of those measures, and declares them as ridiculous and ineffective. Therefore, we completely take those ideas off the table and continue on with the same failed process that put these kids in danger in the first place.
In the meantime, we build facilities that are used to deal with convicted criminals, such as court rooms, jails, police stations, and detention centers, that have armed guards, metal detectors, increased security measures etc. Since we seldom see those facilities as a place that mass murderers tend to attack, there must be some level of success rate from those measures.
So WHY is it such a taboo to consider the same measures to protect our kids? Can someone please explain the logic behind it for me?
Matt
I think the "armed guard" part of that equation is the largest deterrent. Overall, I think schools should look to harden their defenses and would love to see more armed security deployed to our schools.
Panhandle Bob's Link
FROM TAXES!
What’s truly amazing is how many liberals don’t understand that concept.
Matt
Yup.... you live in a world where public school custodians are going to get paid the same as custodians who are trained(on their own dime), and qualified to carry a firearm and are going to do so using some busted saturday night special from a gang banger. Whelp reality here... it doesn't work that way. Lets just ignore the fact that we can't even meet recruiting numbers for police, yet alone scrounge enough janitors who want to moonlight as active shooter defenders.
honestly, I'm not sure if i've read anything so idiotic this week. This is the level of brainstorming 5th graders would come up with on the matter.
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ROFL...
rockyD... you know why we need NEW taxes levied? Because wages haven't kept up with inflation! Because of billionaire tax loop holes! Lowering the tax rate for the ultra wealth/corps!
It's a quadruple edge sword. You're literally proving my point.
The elite pay less in taxes. They pay the working class less based on what a dollar gets you today. Now when the government taxes the working class at 'x rate' they get less because we are paid less for the value of a dollar. Now, not only are there less taxes being collected, more people need access to assistance that's provided by those taxes. since they overall get paid less.
Thus governments are forced to "raise" tax rates since their tax dollars don't go as far.
Imagine if the 43% of Americans making under 75k actually had the same purchasing power as Americans during the mid 20th century. Not only would they have more to support themselves and less need for government assistance. The government would be collecting more overall tax dollars while not having to raise rates!
Why do you think mid 20th century was a boom for America?! We had the best infrastructure, hospitals, etc. That shit didn't just happen cause "boomers/greatest generation" It was high corporate tax rates, large unions, higher worker pay, and less tax loopholes.
Absolutely astonishing
Call me very likely overly paranoid, I confess to being nervous about half the people I saw in the carry class I took when I moved to Minnesota. JMO
Matt.
Cut Social Security benefits and that wait time goes down...
*Nothing* is going to 'deter' a suicidal monster. BUT, having police in the same building sure cuts response time if there is a problem. I think JohnMC actually has a good idea here (and you know how often he and I agree ;-) )
I believe it is a deterrent. According to recent times the police are one of the most hated groups in the US. Hence the riots (sorry... mostly peaceful protests) and "defund Police" movement. Yet how many mass shooting attempts have occurred at or been targeted towards police stations? Seems like it's very much a deterrent! At the very least it would be an honest effort to save kids that might work. But saving kids obviously isn't their goal. They just want to throw a hissy fit and yell guns guns guns. Something that works is the farthest thing from their sick minds.
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"All together, there are 115,576 schools in the United States. This includes all K-12 public and private schools, plus adult education and career/technical schools."
??? Where'd I say anything about saving money? Couldn't give one rats ass about the money. I'd like a solution (or deterrent) to these school shootings. Pull ALL of our money out of Ukraine for all I care. I don't know why having police stationed in an office at a school is such a bad idea? At worst they do what?
Yes he would, LOL.
12yards's Link
"Save kids?? LOL! These are the same butchers who REJOICE at the idea of hacking human babies to death in the womb. Their words say one thing, while their ACTIONS prove quite another. Murder/hate is their fetish, just look at Jane Fonda."
Bingo! And we wonder why there is no regard for human life.
Unfortunately, evil will be with us until Christ returns amd the best we can do is protect ourselves and others the best we can. Use common sense..evil comes in a lot of different packages.
There's a whole lot of things I do not agree with in this world but folks have the right to live their life whether I agree with them or not. We should draw the line when a person chooses to cross the line and harm other individuals regardless of their race, creed, religion, or sexual preferences. I will never accept homosexuality or condone it but I do care about the individual as a person..we're all sinners in need of the cross.
I wonder why? They’re always the first to identify a white guy, a conservative, or a Christian before we even know what happened.
“70lb Draw nothing will get done with that attitude of yours. Bash bash bash that's all you do bash”
Who am I bashing? You’re just upset because I make a valid point. By the way, do you have any idea how many of the people you encounter on a daily basis are suffering from depression? You might even be one of them for all we know. From your post, it looks as though you have anger issues. There’s nothing illegal about giving up your own guns to help solve the problem. Expecting the rest of the population to do the same, and making the problem go away, is simply your mental issues playing tricks on you!
Well there we disagree. Same as if someone thinks they're a fish. They're mentally unstable, and there's no way they should have a gun, OR drive a car.
If you can't/won't answer a VERY simple question about which sex you are. then you DO NOT have the mental capability to possess a firearm. What's next, they "identify" the weapon as a camera and start pointing it at people?
Some people have Body Integrity Dysphoria where they feel a perfectly healthy arm or leg needs to be amputated.
Knock yourself out bro! You were never on the right to begin with. I know that, because you act like a lefty when you make a stupid remark, and then try to turn it around on your opponent.
From the way your posts read, I can’t tell if you’re a grown man or a six year old. But thanks for your valuable contribution to keeping our kids from being gunned down by the people you love and protect.
Sasquatch season is just around the corner. Don’t you have some scouting to do?!
saXton's Link
I'm not a theologian but I do know that. We are all sinners, which means we are all in need of a perfect sacrifice..Christians. God doesn't force anyone to believe this, nor should we..but what we believe doesn't change the truth.
Not sure where you studied theology but that's a new one on me. Is it from The New King Jackass translation?
I agree with Big Easy on it being appalling that he is tolerated at Bowsite. The Bowsite was once known as a shining example of people that love the outdoors. No longer true, easy to understand why so many good guys have found the door. Who would want to be associated with this bull shit?
It’s called sarcasm, az. But in all seriousness, it is a wonder how you are perpetually able to break the Bowsite Code of Conduct with apparently no repercussions. I also think that if someone was as openly racist as you are bigoted to Jewish people - ie, using racial epithets, calling for violence and extermination of a people - they wouldn’t be allowed to stay on the site. Somehow you’ve managed to.
As for your simple question, you should watch more Sesame Street and read less Hitler for the answer.
Nobody is telling you to be pro, just don't be anti.
“ I don’t like it/him/her, therefore it must be removed from my presence. Cuz I’ll be damned if I’m going waste my energy ignoring it!” Lol!
As many others have pointed out, no, it isn't. You can disagree with someone without showing antagonism towards someone. You, however, paint groups of people with a broad brush that is a function of you falling for clearly fake, false, and conspiratorial propaganda that breeds prejudice and hate. There is a gigantic difference between not agreeing with someone and saying they are the root of all evil and should be exterminated from this earth.
"Soldier for Christ", No, that you are not. American in character? No not that either.
Your confession of phobia's clearly put you outside of right thinking.
Phobia = Anxiety disorder A phobia is an anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation. Phobias typically result in a rapid onset of fear and are usually present for more than six months…
I don't think you were born this way, but learned it somewhere.
We now have a soft, offended, weak populous who actually WANT to not be able to defend themselves!!
We have a populous today that gets stressed out over basic life decisions to the point they’d rather hand over all responsibility to the government. They’d rather just have to wake up and check the news for their daily orders so they don’t have to think and can just put AirPods in their ears and walk around aimlessly waiting for their next order.
I’ll never understand how more crime makes law abiding citizens actually want to weaken themselves. It should be a natural reaction to see that and want MORE means of self protection, NOT LESS.
I’m starting to believe we are truly doomed and hard, very hard, times are ahead.
If an adult school employee is CPR trained then they should be allowed to provide CPR. I feel the same way for any adult associated with a school that is firearm trained. They should be able to carry and use that weapon while on school duty.
Hire retired military and LEO that have had significant training and can show high-proficiency with a weapon. They can be a greeter at the main entry of a school.
Driving is a privilege and I had to show proficiency to be legally allowed to operate a vehicle. Gun ownership is a right yet I have no issue having to show proficiency to carry a weapon outside your home and property. Idiots walk amongst us and they should not be allowed to operate a gun away from home without showing proficiency such as how to load, unload, operate the safety, acquire a target, understand bullet path, etc.
If this is about saving lives then I like to toss cars, wine and weed on the table. Why does any passenger vehicle need to go over 70 mph? Speed is a significant factor in fatal deaths. Impairment is another key factor so put breath analyzers on vehicles that tests for drugs and alcohol. Can even test for alertness as tired while driving is another factor. If people want to limit ammunition capacity then should also be on board to limit car speed and check for driver impairment.
Use an illegally acquired weapon or a weapon when are barred from having possession then is a minimum of 20 years behind bars just on the weapon charge. Murder someone and is either life without parole or death. Not every person with criminal intent is a genius but some people might think twice before they blow someone away for stepping on their kicks at a dance club. Street cred may be worth your next 20 years of freedom. We can all make choices.
I would like well trained people purposely at the schools but have no desire to disarm regular law abiding people who work in them who may only have a basic knowledge. A program to incentivize ongoing training would make sense.
All a shooter in a school would need to do is stay at a decent distance and keep reloading as everyone stays huddled up. Face the truth, hardly anyone is bum rushing a shooter as he reloads.
And even if so if the shooter keeps distance that gets to be harder and harder to accomplish
Then again a 10 gauge pump shotgun can hold five 00 buckshot shells, each holding 18 pellets. That's 90 projectiles that can be released in five seconds. Thank goodness the liberal media and Hollywood havn't made shotguns cool for mass killers, or we would be having a stupid "national conversation" (I LOVE that lib concept!) about them, as well.
If we don't have access to the weapons we need for this then we are NOT a free people. That's why an armed populace scares the crap out of politicians and is why they continually try to disarm us.
Molon labe. I will die on my feet than live on my knees.
If it's equally effective to use your shotgun loaded with buck shot, then why isn't that the weapon of choice?
Also, hardening schools will do nothing to stop shootings at grocery stores, movie theaters, concerts, night clubs, etc. etc. Police response to the Nashville shooting was as close to immediate as we will get, and six people still died. Parkland had a school resource officer that decided not to confront the shooter.
Some would argue that believing in an all powerful, omnipotent being that dictates what happens to everyone and everything on this planet is as or more delusional than a person who is non-binary.
With regard to cars and alcohol, you need to be licensed to drive and there's implied consent that you'll submit to a blood or urine test if required by law enforcement. To legally drink alcohol, you need to be over the age of 21.
Lastly, I cannot believe that this site continues to provide a platform for a person openly supporting Putin and Russia and openly proclaiming to be anti-Semitic while spewing some truly hateful and disgusting theories about gay and trans people.
Colorado has a magazine limitation. That hasn't stopped the sickos. Most of them don't know enough about weaponry to understand the carnage that a pump shotgun with 00 buck can wreak. That thing in Nashville fired 152 rounds. 152. And killed six. A shotgun with 00 buck would have been far deadlier with far fewer rounds fired.
Yup…ban em all! I’ll back you bro! We’ll start a new Bowsite hate group against the people we disagree with. Once again, why should we be burdened with having to ignore the things we disagree with?!! Lol!
There's a difference between ignoring a thread that you don't want to read and even ignoring minor personal attacks - blatant bigotry is another matter. The Code of Conduct is ostensibly there for a reason, and it's not to create a cancel culture on Bowsite.
As I've said before we (sane, decent, hunters and archers) do not want to be linked in any way to that sort of mindset.
For a whole host of reasons, one would think the site moderators would not want the same. As they say, this site is frequently visited by anti-hunters.
Matt
Therein lies the problem. Who determines the latest definition of bigotry, racism, anti semitism, etc. We’re not allowed to go to the library and read the dictionary or an encyclopedia anymore. It seems those on the left feel as though it is their place to set the rules. People are way too sensitive these days. But you have to ask yourself, are they sensitive because they are truly sensitive, or are they sensitive because the media tells them they should be?
We can all post nothing but positive comments, and simply agree with everything everyone else says. That’s not realistic. Calling COVID the China flu isn’t racism, anymore than calling egg rolls Chinese food is racist! I was once called a racist for labeling Muslims as the haters of Western culture. When I told that person that Muslim isn’t a race it’s a religion, he said I was an anti semite. Other people’s ignorance isn’t justification for censorship.
Fuzzy, you used my Sasquatch post for an example. Are you trying to tell me that it was a hateful thing to say?
Are you intentionally being difficult or are you this clueless? Here’s an assignment for you, go ahead and take those screenshots that fuzzy posted and show them to any Jewish person and ask them how anti-Semitic they are. Let me know what they say.
Fuzzy, you used my Sasquatch post for an example. Are you trying to tell me that it was a hateful thing to say?
No he didn’t. It was quite clearly az’s post not yours he was highlighting. Maybe you really don’t get it…
Really? Here’s your assignment. Go up and look. That single post contains my post…nothing from Az. Who’s ignorant?
Fuzzy was highlighting the same thing I was. Let me help you. When someone posts links to Hitler’s Mein Kampf saying this is the playbook to deal with the world’s problems and then posts an image of the Devil labeled with a Star Of David being executed…those things are clearly anti-Semitic.
When I said I don’t get it, I was being sarcastic.
Believe me, I’m fully aware of what anti semitism is. If I truly needed your help to understand human behavior, I’d ask you personally. You’ll never hear me support or reinforce his claims when they get to that point. It’s not for me to tell Pat what he should or should not accept, therefore, I simply ignore the tripe. That in itself does not make me an accomplice to his rhetoric.
I’m an old grumpy white conservative male. If my feelings got hurt every time a lefty told me how wrong I was about myself, I probably would have moved to Ireland long ago. Hell, I’m so old, I still support the ancient adage of “sticks and stones”! I have enough thing in my life to worry about, without pissing and moaning about who likes me and who doesn’t!
Pat, for the sake of what class and dignity is left on the Bowsite, please get rid of this guy.
Matt
Seriously, Pat, is this the kind of content you want Bowsite to be known for?
Matt
Did it not occur to you that your MISquote could be easily checked?
So it's OK to call him demeaning names?
No it's not OK, and your point is well taken. I will take the higher road, and stop the name calling.
I get the impression Pat is willing to let the Bowsite implode under its own weight. It's probably become more hassle than it's worth. I wouldn't blame him one bit, if he shut it down. Actually, I'd applaud the move. This site has become a stain on the hunting community in general.
Matt
If you ever took the time to attend a seminar or presentation from someone who survived the death camps in the 1940s or perhaps visit the death chambers that are still there it would be eye-opening. It should still be shocking what they were getting away with then and what the terrorists around the world are still getting away with now.
However, the way I understood his post, AZ isn't saying he advocates or follows Mein Kampf, but rather the book describes some of what is going on in today's culture, although I confess I haven't read it. I also confess I have no idea what his hammer/satan picture post is meant to portray...
That’s exactly what he’s doing, smarba. And if you understand the central tenets of Hitler’s work and the actions it inspired under his control of Nazi Germany, you will understand exactly what the picture he posted is meant to portray.
Matt, Who’s holding the gun to your head to make you stay here?
So out of the entire Bowsite menu of hunting discussions, political threads consist of what…one percent…if even that?
Did you ever think that Pat has more irons in the fire than just Bowsite? If you have a garden that produces a large amount of healthy tasty veggies, do you let it die because you have a few weeds growing in it?
I don’t know for a fact, but I’d be willing to bet that Bowsite is a small percentage if any, as a contributor to the downward spiral of the hunting community as a whole.
You lie. There is nothing Christian in what you have said you support. You fit the description of a wolf in sheeps clothing.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2Corinthians 11:14
Good question Timex! I started this particular thread to explore the potential solutions to keeping kids safe in school. Apparently our kids are getting shot to death because of the holocaust. Whooda thunk?!
Run around during your normal days travels and ask people if they’re familiar with the Bowsite. None of my hunting buddies are familiar with it. None of the folks I work with, in Idaho, are familiar with it. It’s no different than any other niche type website where folks go to rub elbows with the people that share their interests.
This site is no more a threat to hunting, than cow farts are to global warming. Fortunately Pat has some common sense and understands there is more to life than a bunch of archers that think they are all that!!! Lol! I never thought I’d see this here, but then again, I never thought I’d see my fellow Americans cheering for the destruction of this country because they got their feelings hurt!
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me… but again, what do I know?
Meanwhile, on the other hunting forums, they discuss, well,...hunting and hunting-related topics.
Again, what percentage of US based bow hunters are represented here? And are we not entitled to our political opinions? Like it or not, politics have a huge impact on our ability to hunt and enjoy the outdoors. In case nobody noticed, politicians with ulterior motives don’t give a rats ass about you, me, or any other blue collared hard working schlub that just wants to live his life by his own standards.
Just because some of us don’t openly celebrate those that are different from us, doesn’t mean we hate them. When I go into the woods to hunt, I don’t feel obligated to wear rainbow colors in an effort to show the wildlife that I’m diverse in my opinion as I attempt to put them on my dinner table.
Perception becomes reality. How we portray ourselves does matter to some.
BINGO! If you're a man and you want other men, or a woman who wants other women, then have at it. Just don't expect/force me to watch or celebrate it. If you want to eat dog poop go right ahead, but don't expect me to watch or celebrate that either because that's disgusting also.
But.....if you have nuts and think you don't, or you don't have nuts and think you do, then YOU ARE NUTS!!! And you need help. NOT encouragement!
I’ll give you that one!!! It has taken a twist that I never thought would be possible on a hunting site. But hey, I’m old and I have to keep up with the status quo. I don’t want to be cancelled and put out to pasture just yet! So, that’s my lame excuse for contributing to the mayhem. We’ll, that, and the fact that I really don’t have a “life” so to speak.
“Perception becomes reality. How we portray ourselves does matter to some.”
But reality is perceived differently by all. It just depends on who you want it to matter to.
We lost bear hunting opportunity in Colorado partly due to bear hunting videos made by hunters. Perception does matter.
And how this thread traveled from school safety to here is a strange, twisted path.
How to stop the shootings? "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"............it's just that simple.
Hitler was not born a murderer....he became one.
Each and every person is born with a sin nature.....little johnny has the nature to steal a piece of candy....unless he is taught its wrong. We are all different, personality's, characters etc.....But we are born with the ability to do good or evil, depending on which is cultivated.
Our society has gotten real good at cultivating the worst in people.....and nobody is willing to man up to it.....we just blame the gun they used, and ignore , or do nothing about why they used it.
We have gotten real good at using excuses like "i was born that way".....well no duh, we all were born with the ability to do wrong, but i was taught right from wrong, and you just don't do it......."thou shalt not kill".....just that simple
The fact of the matter is this....The recent shooting was a result of a mixed up, he or she ? that got all frustrated and angry about his or her mixed up life, and took it out on innocent kids,,,
Our lawmakers have become nothing more than a bunch of cherry pickers in 3 piece suits. They cherry pick right and wrong...Wrong to kill, but ok to be transgender, wrong to steal but same sex marriage is ok...frankly they are as confused as the rest of society struggling with right or wrong.....so let me spell it out plainly.
wrong is wrong....and right is right, regardless of what you or i convince ourselves of otherwise. .... Because if we decide right from wrong, then where does it stop?...., yesterday divorce, adultery, today homosexuality, transgender tomorrow murder.....How can such a well educated society be so simple?
"Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." - George Washington
“Intellect is not wisdom.” ? Thomas Sowel
((( My father's belt did that ))) "
That was a 'bible belt' - my Dad had one just like it ;-)
"The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame." Proverbs 29:15
Your daddy learned godly principles, found in the Bible, not Confucius.
Yeah, that Confucius guy, he sure taught some evil shit.
DanaC, Leave it to an ungodly leftist to shift the subject. Please copy and past the part of what I said was evil.
You implied that teachings other that those in the bible were evil (UNgodly). Dance all you want.
Implied, yeah, you suggested by your statement, I said evil, which came from your own leftist(implying worthless) mind.
In Confucianism there is no God, therefore, relative to a belief in God, mistaken. If you could have found a Confucian saying that suggested spanking of children, you would have posted it.
Plainly speaking, you lie and that is evil, but I can expect that from DanaC.
Miscasting my mention of Confucius was your insertion of hate from my heart, when there was actually none. You lied about me and I fully expect you to continue to do so.
God knows.
Why mention him in opposition to your belief, except to summon hate? I question your honesty; your motives are clear enough.
"Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." - George Washington who knew people just like DanaC.
Yep, he knew Thomas Jefferson ;-)
DJ
“Conflating it with 'evil' shows a deep-seated ignorance and bigotry.”
“Why mention him in opposition to your belief, except to summon hate?”
Boy, for someone that is constantly trying to convince us that you’re not a liberal, you definitely know how to talk the talk of a liberal!
Wildbill, for you to stand up for your own morals and beliefs is, in the eye of a liberal, hateful, and deplorable. If you can’t sacrifice yourself to celebrate and elevate everyone you disagree with, you have no right to exist in this society.
Save yourself the trouble and quit feeding his ignorance. He’d love nothing more than to make you feel guilty for being your own man!
Post crucifixion of Jesus Christ after the Earth opened up the sky when black and significant earthquakes: "Uh Oh , I guess this guy really was the son of God."
Our maker gave us the free will to believe in him or not believe. I know enough about the factual proof of the Bible and my faith to believe it's true. Proud to be a member of the Christian faith and assurance in the fact this imperfect being has a chance for eternal life. Not so sure folks who conduct mass murders will have that chance unless they repent. Any little law enacted by humans will not stop the evil so grossly displayed these days. It's illegal to kill another human being, yet happens all the time, Doesn't mean we don't do our best to try and stop them. Sometimes that requires a judgment call, um looks like a criminal act in the making should I try to stop this or just leave it up to God? Me, I will get involved in proper planning and personal risk management, prefer criminals be in jail, where they belong to protect the rest of us, regardless of our faith or philosophies. Can't practice any of that when crime is rampant and yes, I do have a God given right (and the developed skills) to defend myself and my family if necessary.
Have a Happy Easter Everyone
Happy Easter
DJ
