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Spitfire Archery and Harold Groves.


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Messages posted to thread:
Scorpion415 01-Jan-09
Bigdan 01-Jan-09
Scorpion415 01-Jan-09
Bigdan 01-Jan-09
Mt. man 02-Jan-09
Southfork 02-Jan-09
Scorpion415 02-Jan-09
SteveOz 02-Jan-09
jim stutesman 11-Feb-10
Sandy 10-Mar-11
Hornseeker 10-Mar-11
Zeb 10-Mar-11
Sandy 11-Mar-11
Sandy 11-Mar-11
olen2 19-Mar-11
MWJBS 24-May-11
MWJBS 24-May-11
fletcha 26-Oct-11
ftchavez 08-Sep-12
DAVID LEVINE 06-Jan-13
Rocky D 03-Feb-13
luthernm 10-Mar-13
Ozzy 12-Aug-13
Thaine 06-Jan-14










From: Scorpion415 ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 01-Jan-09


We have moved to the Kalispell area and have a decent collection of old Spitfire Archery bows. I called and asked the local archery shops to see if they could do an appraisal and got responses like,"never heard of them. Are they a new bow maker?" and, "I can't appraise a bow your buddy made for you out of a garage."

If anyone in this area of the country (Montana, Idaho, Oregon, etc.) can give me an idea of an appraiser who might know these bows would you please send an email with info. I will also try to remember to check back here as well. Thank you all, and happy and safe shooting!

P.S. Some of our trophy pieces include GS 300 I & II's ( yes, plural) and two styles of fleece take-downs.

From: Bigdan ........ One Violation Reported on this individual One Violation Reported on this individual ....... Date: 01-Jan-09
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I live in Kalispell And had a Archery Shop for 30 years Groves were made in New Mexico they went out of business years ago. I don't think there is much of a market for them .They made compounds and recurves the compounds would be worth next to nothing. but your recurves would be worth $50 to $85 if there 50 or more lbs. and the limbs are not twisted.

From: Scorpion415 ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 01-Jan-09


Uh, no. Spitfire Archery is still in buisness right off of Edith in Albuquerque NM, (where I was born and raised) and GS 300's go from $150 for bows with no strings up to $700 to $1500 for full complete set with original sights and haedcase to the collectors. I need an acurate appraisal for my insurance company. Photos and serial numbers only go so far, they want "legal" documents as well if possible. Thanks

Spitfire Archery was continued by Harold Groves' apprentice, who I spoke to in 2003. They may have closed since then. The loss of Harold Groves was a great one, but the alcohol won. May he now be in peace.

From: Bigdan ........ One Violation Reported on this individual One Violation Reported on this individual ....... Date: 01-Jan-09
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Well if they are ask them. I was in there shop about 35 years ago. when I lived in Grants NM. you mite check ebay. I know guys that bought bows for a $1000 new that are worth about $50 now. good luck.

From: Mt. man ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 02-Jan-09


Get a hold of that last Pope & Young newsletter. There are several guys on the board who are avid collectors and appraisers. I will P.M. you a couple names I know.

From: Southfork ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 02-Jan-09


Joe St. Charles in Billings, Montana is an archery appraiser as is Wade Phillips in Omaha, Nebraska. Both are honest and excellent IMO.

From: Scorpion415 ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 02-Jan-09


I just would like to say that I really appreciate all of the responses in just this one day. Nice to know the Groves' are not forgotten and the archery comunity seems a strong as ever. Long live the stick bows. Thanks!

From: SteveOz ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 02-Jan-09


Try over on the stickbow (leatherwall) sight, there may be some more authority over there.

oz

From: jim stutesman ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 11-Feb-10


How do I get ahold of Joe StCharles?

Thanks Jim

From: Sandy ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 10-Mar-11

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Harold Groves was my father. He started building bows in Los Alamos in 1952-54. It was a tool maker and worked with several scientists but I believe Openheimer was already gone. He was very instrumental in establishing a bow hunting season in New Mexico in 1957. He and my mother held several state championships as did my brothers and sister in law. I personally could never shoot. David Hughes who I believe was an Olympics champion shot his bow. (not sure of details)

Harold had several world flight records in the 50s and 60s but record keeping back then was limited. I have the newspaper articles.

He made a beautiful traditional bow which was known all over the world for its speed and quality and had a state of the art indoor archery range in Albuquerque.

The mechanical compound bow really hurt him. But he restarted his business in a small shop later with the resurge of traditional archery. He died in 1997. His son and foreman kept the business for about a year but it is no longer around. No one will ever build another Groves bow. The dynastress referred to his patent and was named after my mom, Diana.

I am putting together a collection of articles from newspapers, sports illustrated and several sources for my family history. If you have any you would like to contribute I would love to have them.

(attached excerpt from one of may articles)

From: Hornseeker ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 10-Mar-11


Very cool Sandy...

Do you know what happened the shop? The forms, tooling, etc.... all sold off I suspect?

From: Zeb ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 10-Mar-11


Hey Hornseeker if the weather keeps up it will be dry enough to ride soon:)

From: Sandy ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 11-Mar-11


The equipment was trashed, it was over 50 years old. He was truly one of the original creators of the recurve bow. His patents were filed only a couple years after Fred Bear.

I personally did not like the medal handles or the compounds. When Harold started making bows originally they were works of art; rosewood, zebra wood, ebony wood and various colors of fiberglass. They designed a machine which measured the speed of the arrows and it was unbeatable for years.

Like I said I was never an archer but those who shot Groves Spitfire bows seldom shot anything else.

Of course most of those archers are long gone which is why I am putting together the collection of articles back to the 1950s for my family. Yes the bow was designed in Los Alamos in a basement under our house.

If anyone has a Groves bow from the 1950s I would love to buy it. We could never keep one because daddy kept selling them.

From: Sandy ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 11-Mar-11


The equipment was trashed, it was over 50 years old. He was truly one of the original creators of the recurve bow. His patents were filed only a couple years after Fred Bear.

I personally did not like the medal handles or the compounds. When Harold started making bows originally they were works of art; rosewood, zebra wood, ebony wood and various colors of fiberglass. They designed a machine which measured the speed of the arrows and it was unbeatable for years.

Like I said I was never an archer but those who shot Groves Spitfire bows seldom shot anything else.

Of course most of those archers are long gone which is why I am putting together the collection of articles back to the 1950s for my family. Yes the bow was designed in Los Alamos in a basement under our house.

If anyone has a Groves bow from the 1950s I would love to buy it. We could never keep one because daddy kept selling them.

From: olen2 ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 19-Mar-11


Sandy- Your father made a really good bow. I have two old Groves bows.

Should be proud of his work and legacy

From: MWJBS ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 24-May-11

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SANDY WOULD U B ABLE TO GIVE ME A DATE ON THIS BOW. MY UNCLE BOUGHT THIS BOW NEW... MY FIRST MEMORY OF ARCHERY WAS THIS BOW, I AN NOW 53. IT IS PROB,1959 1960 OR 1961. IV'E OWNED 7 OTHER BOWS THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WORTH KEEPING

From: MWJBS ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 24-May-11

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A TRUE WORK OF FUNCTIONAL WORK OF ART!!!!!!

From: fletcha ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 26-Oct-11


Your Dad kindly put up with incessant questions from a poor young college boy in the 80s. I still shoot a Groves Spitfire Magnum ( and continue my search for another!) and still have a back quiver he sold me at a "college kid discount"! I have since been blessed with a good career and good times afield with his bow. I consider myself fortunate to have known him.

From: ftchavez ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 08-Sep-12


Sandy, I'm originally from Roswell and recollect that I shot in a tournament there with some of your family in '68 or '69 when I was in highschool. I always wanted one of your father's bows and finally bought one in the early 90's and have used a Groves Spitfire for taking deer and elk here in New Mexico since then. In the early 90's I went to your father's shop to talk to Harold and look at his shop. I secretly was looking at the posibilty of buying it! He gave me a grand tour and showed me a cardboard box full of letters ordering bows which he said he could not fulfill. Sadly, I was very discouraged by the condition of his forms and other equipment. I could not put together a business plan that would allow me to make an offer. However, The quality of the bows he was still making were absolutely amazing. One of the unique characteristics of your father's bows was that because of the technology of the limbs, a person could flex the limbs while the bow was strung. No other recurve has ever been ever to do that to this day. That is why these bows shoot faster at the same draw weight than any other current recurves.

From: DAVID LEVINE ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 06-Jan-13


HAVE A GROVES SPITFIRE MAGNUM RECURVE BOW IN NICE CONDITION. IT IS MARKED MAGNUM 54# @28 56" SERIAL # H-9582-8

ANY INTEREST LET ME KNOW

TEL. 802 325 2005

From: Rocky D ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 03-Feb-13


Have a Groves Spitfire Mag II takedown I think magnesium riser 58lbs @ 28" 64" long. Bought in 86 new and maybe shot a hundred times. If interested call 762 822-2109

From: luthernm ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 10-Mar-13


I really love to hear anything about Groves Archery. I wandered into his shop/range on the end of San Mateo Blvd. as a teenager in the 60's. I was instantly captivated by the bow building process that went on there. I remember the limb presses using old fire hose espanded with air to glue the limbs. The thing that impressed me the most was the beauty of the wood in the handles. Anyway, I ended up almost living there, shooting in the indoor leagues and just hanging out (kept me out of trouble). I still have my first Spitfire Prestige Magnum 54#@28" 60" sn 604-7 that I bought there. I also have my first Spitfire Prestige Hunter 2 piece 48#@28" 56" sn M-938-b. I remember some good hunts up in the Sandias with this bow and my trusty Kwikee Kwiver. Good to hear from someone who knows a good bow from bygone times.

From: Ozzy ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 12-Aug-13


Just came upon this thread. I used to work for Harold Groves from 1972-1975. I was a tiller man in the manufacturing process and formed the tips which was part of that operation. These were truely amazing bows, and Harold was very sharp, kind and love able character. A fine and fair man to work for. I still own three of these excellent bows, and wish I'd held on to all the others I owned at one time or another. I thought they'd always continue being made I suppose. A true loss to the world of archery.

From: Thaine ........ No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual No Violations Reported on this individual ....... Date: 06-Jan-14

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Hello, just unpacked some stuff I had put away and there was one of my grand fathers bows. A Groves Spitfire GS300 ,It has the original sight and stabalizer, Hoyt arrow rest and carry case, all still like new since it was a target bow. My grand father was Chuck Saunders of Saunders Archery and I inherited some very nice stuff. I did have a chance to meet some great folks like Mr. and Mrs. Earl Hoyt, Frank Scott and many others. But I don't remember meeting Harold although it seems I do recall my grandpa speaking highly of him. The bow I believe is a late 50's or early 60's. If it would happen to mean something to you I may part with it.




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