did you hear about this
Oregon
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i read today at lunch in one of the central oregon news papers...that oregon fish and game is making plans to raise the price of tags due to the lack of hunters in the state..to fill in funds for game projects(i think)...has any one else seen this...
Yeah I saw it. 8million in tag fee increases is ridiculous! Think poaching is bad now its gonna be 10 times worse if this goes through.
I don't suppose we will have any effective voice in the matter. I think ODF&W is micromanaging way too much. I know their answer to that statement would be, that they would reduce tag numbers ever more, if they could not fine tune everything, but I disagree there too. I fear an increase in tag fees less that I am concerned with how they use them. I also believe the hunters are picking up the tab for a lot of non game wildlife management items. You can delete my post if you feel I have violated the debate free theme. I am just sharing my opinion. It is not intended to rile anyone up or offend you.
Just read the article and I would be all for this IF the money actually went to conservation projects. But, I have a hunch that the vast majority of the money will find it's way into increased payroll for paper pushers and bright, shiny new buildings.
just wondering if others have read this.it woundnt be so bad if there was more hunts for bow hunters..i would love to have a doe hunts out here in central oregon (i just see alot of them)..BUT,i think you guys are right..i guess we will see what happens...
If that is the case, why don't they lower the non-resident hunting licensing and tag fees to attract more out of state hunters?
I would not accuse the people of ODF&W of being lazy, greedy, power hungry or anything else. They have a mission and they believe if they get more funds they can do more. I just happen to believe they forget who they are managing the game for, and to whom the game ultimately belongs. I agree that with more money, they can do additional studies and do hire some biologists, etc., but are they going to really improve the hunting in the State for those of us buying tags? I would give $100.00 for an elk tag if it really meant better hunting. Consider all the money they get now and ask yourself if hunting, for the species you buy tags for, has really improved in the last 10, 20, 30 or so years. Personally I believe if that was the measure, we should cut tag fees.
"I just happen to believe they forget who they are managing the game for, and to whom the game ultimately belongs."
I believe this too. And, I think it is the result of them being "lazy, greedy, and power hungry."
With the exception of California, what western state with similar species as Oregon is as much a failure as ODF&W?
The last thing any tag or license fee increase is to help the Oregon hunter.
Having worked with them and having one for a next door neighbor, I can't say they are greedy. They are not that well paid, and an increase in fees would not change their pay any. I never noticed them being lazy. My experience is that they love their job and are usually quite willing to work long hours to get things done. They certainly never came across to me as clock watchers. I think with their degree in Wildlife Management, they believe they know more than you or I, and they believe they know what is best for wildlife management. Often that puts them at odds with hunter's desires, their boss, and others around them. They manage wildlife for the public in accordance with direction handed down to them. They may come across as being all of the same mind on things, but they have individual values and personal beliefs. I suppose you may find a lazy, greedy wildlife biologist somewhere. All I can say is they picked the wrong profession if they want to lay around and get rich.
Hunters and fisherman pay for all the other non related fishing and hunting crap that they deal with. The rest of a states population of non hunters and fisherman demand services and everything from butterflies to weeds be protected and managed. I think we would really be pissed to know what our dollars are being spent on. I don't blame Odfw or any other state fish and game but I do blame all these antis that demand all these environmental impact reports done before ANY hunting or fishing can be done. Millions are spent doing this. The elk and other game are there for the entire state not just hunters. I've heard that one and my next response is that the rest of the population pays squat for wildlife but Demand much more than hunters. They're bound and determined to kill the geese that lay the golden eggs.
Please consider this post as a point of clarification and not argument. ODF&W gets only about 31% of its funding from hunting and fishing fees including commercial fishermen. Another 36% is Federal funding, and the remainder is tax, lottery, grants, contracts, etc.
Hey Swede is the federal money from Pittman Robertson money?
PR money comes from the Feds but they get it from a tax on sports gear.
I know. OUR money. I get fried that OUR money gets used for things that has nothing to do with what it should. Using PR money to bring in wolves or protect an threatened species of weed was not what the creators of this act had in mind.
"Hey Swede is the federal money from Pittman Robertson money?" DL
I did not ask, but assume it is. It is good to remember that not all PR monies are generated by big game hunters or fishermen. I asked ODF&W, at a meeting we had, if the monies generated from the sale of hunting licenses and tags was used in non game management. The answer I received was: No. Since only a third of the money they receive comes from hunting and fishing fees, I have no basis to question that statement let alone, dispute it.
Elkhuntr's Link
link - couldn't be easier to see the convoluted ODFW budget.
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PR money is an 11% tax on firearms, ammunition and archery equipment. When you see federal money on that pie chart that's PR money. "One source shows hunters spending around ten billion dollars a year on everything they need for their hunting trips.[1] A different source found that hunters spend between 2.8 and 5.2 billion dollars a year on taxable merchandise.[8] This generates between 177 and 324 million dollars a year in P–R money.[8]
Another source estimated that hunters contribute about three and a half million dollars a day to conservation by purchasing taxable items and hunting licenses.[4]"