Why would anyone believe Glen Eckstrom?
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give it up dude nobody here wants to listen to your crap!!
Dave Streit wants an Airrow ! Dave the only one talking about Airrow products is you; people are starting to think you are a salesmen for the company. Dave this is a bow site for archery.....not a gun site. As I told you before I cannot sell an Airrow product to a individual that is possibly psychopathic so please stop asking me. Dave the only one trying to scare people is you with all your nonsense about deer overpopulation, we need to kill them all to prevent the coming Lyme epidemic, etc, etc. Dave you would make a hell of a salesman; you just need to sell something the people want to buy and stop trying to sell us what we know is wrong. Dave everything we have written in regards to WB and Redding in the last 5 months is based on facts and figures; many of which are from the State of Connecticut. You seem to have a problem with actual facts; we know you like to manipulate them to fit your agenda, but everyone on this site is growing tired of your nonsense; black ops helicopters, three horsemen, deer whisperer, multi personalities. Dave this is past being funny.........You need to leave the deer alone and get a life !
How did you not get lyme after handling 30 deer ????? Why doesn't everyone from WB have it what is your secret why don't you just tell everyone and leave us and the deer alone !
Who doesn't want an arrow rifle? Those things are awesome.
I believe him because he isn't hiding behind a fake identity. If you speak the truth, why would you hide behind a fake identity.
Ace, I'll give it to slyme. He nailed it with your nickname.
I wish I knew half as much about deer as ACE knows. He knows 100 times more about deer than slyme and odoriferous (dumb and dumber) put together. Since its the same person with multiple personality disorder I guess that makes it 200 times more.
Be a man and come out of the closet.
LMAO. Poachers are not anonimous in Connecticut. They go by white buffalo.
Forget about this guy Glen, the bottom line is legal Connecticut hunters should be utilized to harvest the deer, and either feed their families or CT families in need. I was at the last hearing in Redding, and was not sold on the accuracy of the statistics presented by the State. Additionally, the process seemed far from transparent which was very discouraging. There was a lot more people in support of an alternative approach to WB, not just this person Glen....
Agreed Red. Hunters should be part of the system. But when hunters cannot or will not reach densities of 10 deer/sm as required by the CDC study in Redding, sharpshooters need to be hired to accomplish those densities. I'm curious what your solution would be to achieve said densities as required for a scientific study such as is going on in a Redding using hunters. Despite a 4.5 month season, with baiting, crossbows, and unlimited tags, hunters could only get to 40/square mile before writing blogs like "Where are All the Deer?" And all they have done down in Redding is try to prevent WB from doing their job, and failing at that too. They tactics are taken straight out of the PETA playbook. Sliding into bed with your sworn enemy is despicable.
Odoriferous, so, the study is completed?
Can your white buffalo POACHERS get the number down by following the laws that hunters have to abide by?
It has been documented that WB POACHERS have broken every law in the book.
Crow never mind the laws we hunters have to obey. They can't even stick to the relaxed regs they are required to follow.
That's why the Enconn officers opened a case, States Attorney's office too. One Federal employee mentioned a Lacey Act case, not sure where that one stands.
Everyone found evidence of wrong doing, FOIA reports are on the way.
I'll bet you a dollar a bunch of them are concerning WB's spokesperson.
Here is one who says 10 dpsm is the magic number ? In the old days we went by carrying capacity in case you dont know what that is ,its how many deer can the food sours handle not how many ticks ride on there back .You still never answered me how did you not get lyme after handling 30 deer you would think one of them ticks would of jumped of and got you .And from what I hear the land owners are not to happy with your pushy tactics! So go away and let us be hunters not murders .
Say guys.. isn't baiting trolls (slyme, odiferous) illegal in CT?
BH,
I've said the same but these clowns are entertaining. I can use a good laugh and this guy is always good for one. Just read some of his crap and I bet you'll be laughing too. We'll dump thme once the season is closer.
Pie in the sky Ace. DEEP authorized WB take methodology. It is not meant to be sporting, it is meant to reduce deer numbers. Which it did. The merry hunters of Redding can keep trying to pin illegal take on WB, but if you would simply read the authorization, you would see that all they are doing is following the terms laid out by DEEP. And please tell us what "federal official" is pursuing Lacey Act charges? Soooo bogus. Siburn and crew make this stuff up on the Patch blog, and you buy it? It it's posted on the Internet, it has to be true!! Right Bear??
Again, please tell me how hunters could be used to achieve densities required by this scientific study and I am sure that officials would take that into consideration. But needs to be something credible, not including Sundays, or extending the season even longer. More pie in the sky!
So, methodology includes shooting in unauthorized properties? Shooting from inside or top of a vehicles? Shooting within 500 feet of an occupied dwelling? Killing without land owners consent?
What else was authorized by DEEP?
I have a copy of the permit. Written permission was needed from cooperating private landowners (which they received) and I would then assume that landowners knew what was happening on their properties. Take within 500' was also authorized by permit. I have a copy of it if you want it. Or ask a bunch of other guys on this site. They have it, but apparently cannot understand it.
Bear, are you okay? More name calling? I don't even know what you are trying to say. You are so out of ammo you are swearing and threatening me now? Sole? Are we talking fishing now?
You still never answered me how did you not get lyme after handling 30 deer ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Steve, don't hold your breath. This guy has more to hide than to share.
This page is becoming a joke. I used to look forward to coming on here every day to read what's going on. Now I come on here and every post I click on you guys are going back and forth with Odocoileus. All you do is complain about the guy. This shit is getting real old. If you don't like what he has to say just ignore him. Stop responding to him. Better yet get some actual proof to discredit what he is saying. Attach some links to support your evidence. I've only seen a couple links posted and they were from Crow. Now I see name calling and potential threatening. Aren't we all adults here? Are some of you reverting back to your grade school mentality? My only issue with Odocoileus is that he never came out with his real name. But now I don't blame the guy. Some of you are a bunch of kooks. Yes you are passionate about hunting but the way some of you guys try to present your info is all wrong. Sorry to vent but you all remind me of what is wrong with this world. You are not able to find any common ground. You feel threatened so you put up a wall and any info brought to your attention that doesn't agree with what you believe in is automatically discredited. Seems like some of you guys are drinking the kool-aid and you don't even know it...
Oh and Steve - maybe he didn't get bit buy any ticks. That is a good way NOT to get Lyme Disease.
Tick checks. Plus I've handled way more than 30 deer in any given year.
So, if you do tick checks you don't get lyme? Why do we need to wipe out deer from the face of the earth for?
This just keeps getting easier and easier.
Hey Steve, how many times did you get lyme? Don't count your dinosaur hunting days. You just ran those of a cliff and they.... wait a second. Do you think maybe they had lyme and WB POACHERS exterminated them?
Legal deer removal is not hunting nor is it poaching.
The 2% of the CT population that hunts knows to do tick checks as we are high risk. Do you think the other 98% of the ignorant public do tick checks after mowing the lawn, checking the mail, raking leaves?
Odocoileus it sounds like the 98% should start, I havent posted here much but I seem to remember saying way back that education goes a long way on this subject. There is enough information out there on ticks and lyme disease that the general public (especially parents of younger children) should be well aware of the dangers and precautions to take. Doctors are constantly preaching about this subject. Its like not looking both ways before crossing a road, eventually people have to learn that they will be hit by a vehicle if proper precautions are not taken.
I work for a company that constantly preaches safety in the field and tick bites come up often. One of my co-workers is always preaching about tick safety that comes down from corporate so we do not get an OSHA recordable incident (which is bad for the field I am in). However, he is the one who acts like a dog running through the brush and not checking himself properly. He has had lyme disease twice now.
I'd like to read both documents as well.
It's a single document. Ace has it I'm sure. Airrow too, likely Rooster as well. I can get it to you Monday if you still don't have it by then. Or you can request it from Rick or Howard at DEEP. It's a public document.
I agree Toby. Most of the cases occur in the summer by unsuspecting members of the public. Like as I described. Tromping through brush like we do you would think that all of us would check for ticks throughout the day. I preach prevention to people I know too.
Some people made my point tick safety not 900000 to kill them all.II am done no more about this subject .
I will never stop until deer are eradicated from Connecticut. I hate those disease carrying vermin. Kill them all please.
Thanks for the support Cory. This is precisely what I have been trying to get across to these guys. They are calling for me to be banned because they know what I'm saying has some weight behind it, but they don't wanna believe it!
And now I have an imposter who stole my name! I love it!
Wow....Dave Streit has lost his name; last week it was his marbles.....This week his name......Maybe...Lymefree, Steve R. or even Odocoileus are using it. File a report with the Redding police.....You never know; maybe they can even identify the 4 of you.
V, I couldn't agree with you more. Hunters tend to forget about the pockets of deer they can't access and don't see, but that doesn't mean they are not there. Incentivizing landowners is a great way to increase access. Professionals are trying to provide incentive for both landowners, homeowners, and hunters. Also, yes educating the public about ticks is an excellent idea. Officials have been doing this for years. And yes, providing hunters incentive to shoot more deer would put WB out of business. WB fully admits that and hopes for it from a public/ecosystem health standpoint.
Odocoileus's Link
V, I got here, but can't figure how to upload it from my IPad. Will be at a desktop Sunday. Any suggestions from anyone? I'm all ears.
If legal Connecticut hunters were permitted to utilize the same methodologies as WB during the entire hunting season or at least a portion, deer densities would be brought to levels needed to achieve the results specified in the CDC study. It is that simple, hence no need for WB, and again you would achieve this by supporting legal Connecticut hunters. That is it, forget the rhetoric and the politics..... It is only the truth that will set one free, if one would just believe.....
Red, I don't doubt that you could with the same relaxed methodologies. The question now is, would you? The will exists in only a few, and the same results as WB could be achieved with the existing relaxed hunting regs here in CT (bait, 4.5 month season, crossbow, unlimited tags, etc) but densities continually still bottom out at 40/sm. Why? Because at those densities it becomes work to find them. So without incentive, hired guns need to be called in to achieve those densities. Right?
" but densities continually still bottom out at 40/sm. Why? Because at those densities it becomes work to find them."
Dave Streit....You need to actually read what you write. 40/sm are you kidding me ! " At those densities it becomes difficult to find them ". Right !
Dave do I have to send you the actual deer numbers for Redding again ? The deer population in Redding, CT is down 60%+ and the Lyme reports are up 62.5% in the last four years ( all State of Connecticut numbers ) .....all because one person " Dave Streit " wants to eliminate them all ! Odorediculus; a wannabe psychopath killer of wildlife.......And now you would like us to pay for services rendered.........Send us a bill !
Dave Streit and the Deer Alliance scam of, " Less Deer = Less Lyme " failed miserable.......So his new scam is to have people " Pay to Kill Deer ". He would like everyone in Connecticut to pay hunters to kill deer in Connecticut. Dave .....don`t they already have that....It`s called a hunting preserve for the less proficient wannabe hunter. Dave it would seem that the solution for your, " wanting to kill all the deer " would be to buy a hunting preserve, which would allow people to pay you to shot deer 24 hours a day; they would pay you to butcher the deer and you could film the whole thing for personal gratification ! This would also allow you to know just how many deer you have per square mile; unless you prefer to use a helicopter and the CT DEEP 2X correction factor. You could partner with White Buffalo, Williams and Kilpatrick; they can show you how you can turn 100 deer into 450 deer in less than a year. Dave......you have made this all so easy !
Odocoileus's Link
All I have to say Airrow is "Where Are All The Deer?"
It's like a PETA page. Oh no, "Don't Blame The Deer!"
New....Pay to hunt game farm opening soon in Redding, CT. Appoximately one square mile of contained ( tick free, local ) whitetail deer.....You too can be a big game hunter.......with Dave Streit`s new pay to shoot venture. You shoot em` we clean em`! All from the comfort of your home with Airrow`s new computer controlled system; you pick the deer, you pull the trigger. You tell our butchers how you want your meat and our trucks deliver to your door. For more information and current rates..........Email .......Iwannabelikedavestreit, 54 Cross Hwy, Redding, CT 06896.
Dave; You give me to much credit........" Where are all the Deer " is a deer hunter from Woodbury, CT..........Dave will you be franchising this new operation in Redding, CT ?
Yup, and they believe that someone is benefitting financially from deer reduction. It couldn't be that some people actually care about ecological damage and human health. It couldn't be that some are trying to help hunters help themselves with this issue. . . I guess if they are too stubborn to help themselves, they deserve what's coming from the liberal CT soccer mom public.
Yup, turning the public against hunting as the go to deer management tool. Headed up by Airrow. Harassing a Shelton town official who stated that they plan to open municipal lands to archery hunting. Smart, real smart. Good foresight. They are making the WB bogeymen look like a sane option. Duh!! Think!!!!!
It's simply your ideology and methodology of "deer reduction" that is the focus of opposition here.
Odo,
I have no first hand knowledge of what others have done, or are doing in Fairfield county with the town people to obtain access to private land, so I can't say if they're approaching the opportunity correctly.
If it's true, that they are critical of the town and the people that control access, then you are correct that they are hurting the opportunity to access more town land for hunting.
However, if you're truly here to help those same hunters, then why are you so critical of them? You're doing the same thing you accuse them of doing with the town people and the result is the same, you're turning them against you.
I would expect to see some suggestions and offer of assistance on how to improve the relationship between the bow hunting community and the people that control the access to the land in a positive manner, not negative.
Instead I'm hearing how WB is the answer because the bow hunters are screwed up. I don't hunt private land, but if I wanted to fix this situation I would form a small unified group of bow hunters, set up a meeting with the town, and work together with them to help the town while gaining access to hunt. There are plenty of hunters on this site that hunt for meat, so I don't think there would be any problem getting guys who want to take any deer, I'm not one of them.
Bbb I kind of responded to you in the other thread.
V sorry. I will post that tonight. Getting caught up at work after some time off. Can you attach a PDF on this site?
Steve Roscoe, Ok, so now I know who you are.
Now, what are your credentials? Why should we trust and believe what you say?
Gentlemen and specifically bbb: Dave Streit was given the opportunity 6-7 years ago to combine efforts with the organized hunters under the very successful Redding Deer Management Program. In fact he was asked by the first selectman (Ketcham)at the time to cooperate with them. He refused. It has been from that point that Dave Streit continues to alienate and discredit hunters and continues to advocate a commercialized approach to deer reduction. Dave himself is damaging the relationship that hunters have had with private property owners by bad mouthing our efforts and is by design. In doing this he feels that he can better justify pushing commercial operators such as White Buffalo as the fix. I also suspect that his refusal and continued alienation is a cover for the apparent flaw in his character as he "does not get along with others and needs to be in control to a fault". He has demonstrated that he will go to any extent even lying and personal attacks to get his own way and sugar coats the performance in front of the public and municipalities, there are not immediately aware of his history of misrepresentation of facts. This is exclusively where he represents as the real "Dave Streit". It is only when he is confronted by an opposition that presents facts that compromise his footing that he resorts to alias'.
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Why do you guys obsess about Streit so much? And Rooster, if hunters did the job they repeatedly say they can, there would be no need for WB and no need to incentivize hunters to take more deer. But here we are. . .
Why do you keep avoiding the question?
Steve Roscoe, Ok, so now I know who you are.
Now, what are your credentials? Why should we trust and believe what you say?
I'm modest and don't want to brag. . .
LMAO
That's what I thought. Need a shovel?
What for? For burying entrails?
Gentlemen: Regardless of who the mystery man is (Odo, Steve, Dave????) the fact remains that the Hunters involved in the Redding Program put significant time in this last season as they have for 10 years. On average the 20 hunters enrolled in the program logged 70-80 hrs in the stand and harvested less than 25 deer from town land and the adjacent properties that they were permitted to hunt on. With 1500 +/- hours and only 20 +/- deer this would suggest not many deer are left in Redding as Dave, Williams CAES and Kilpatrick DEEP suggest. I understand that Dave Streit only harvested one of his 30 deer in Redding this season which is right on average. The harvest numbers provided by DEEP even suggest that the numbers are way down (60-65% over 4 years) in Redding. Now when it comes to the argument of Less Deer = Less Lyme. Not quite. You guys do the math……. Deer are down 60%+ and Lyme is up 62.5% ???????
Despite how many hours you put in, the removal of 25 deer in Redding equates to the townwide reduction of 0.78 deer/square mile. But if you look at it in terms of area hunted, it's more like 16 deer/sm assuming you hunt 1,000 acres of town land. As I have repeatedly said, densities in areas you hunt are likely down, but there are still 19,480 acres in Redding (95%) that are not part of the Town program. If you had equivalent harvest throughout Town, that would be total harvest of 512 last year alone (16 deer harvested/sm x 32 square miles). Now that would be respectable. Imagine how many deer are out there if you were able to kill 16 deer/sm on 1000 acres that have been getting hammered for the last 10 years? Still want to stick to that 2.5 deer/square mile you guys counted from the airplane? 80 deer in the entire town? Come on now. I've seen half that many in Redding this week.
What's up Doc. I am not sure where you keep getting 80 deer in Redding. FYI the sportsman flew 10 square miles and counted 21 deer or 2.5/ square mile deer for this area. Not the entire town. If we employ your multiplier we are still not even close to your 32/square mile you keep referencing. Now if we include the actual count from the chopper flight in the afternoon we calculate an average of 13.75 deer /square mile average in the total areas surveyed that day. 13.75/square mile seems pretty reasonable based on what hunters saw on the ground.
" If you had equivalent harvest throughout Town, that would be total harvest of 512 last year alone (16 deer harvested/sm x 32 square miles)."
Considering that the Reddings deer harvest was 124 deer for 2013 that number of 512 would be a 400% + increase ? Then again you are one of the only ones besides Kilpatrick that can turn 10 deer per square mile into 45 deer per square mile in less than one years time, what`s that a 450% increase !
Ok, so you flew a third of town and got 2.5/sm. Clearly you saw every deer on those 10 square miles so a dreaded correction factor is not needed. My bad, was just extrapolating to the rest of the town. 2.5 deer/sm x 32 square miles in town is 80 deer/sm. It's called sampling.
Jesus, now I'm Scott?? At least I'm not Dave any more. . . I'm just a guy who pays attention to this stuff.
Dave it would seem that it is you that does not have any credibility anymore....Don`t worry Dave it going to get much worse !
Rooster,
thanks for the info on Dave Streit and if what you say is true, then one of the people on this site, maybe more, sound a lot like this Dave guy.
You got it V! I knew you could! But that version is different than mine. I must have the more recent one that was modified by DEEP after they catered to hunters' concerns after the Putnam Park meeting. Minor differences, but the big one is that .22 was omitted and bolt action .223 was included to dispel rumors that they were spraying down residents' backyards with lead from an AR. There are other subtle differences, but clearly that is of no concern, . . . yet.
If you'd like to hunt private land in Redding, and according to David Streit, there are an abundance of deer there, contact BeSafeRedding.org, or get in touch with him via the Fairfield County Deer Alliance, be sure that you tell everyone how helpful and insightful you have found his posts on Bowsite. BeSafeRedding.org claims to match up Property Owners and Hunters.
If on the other hand, you would like to hunt in towns where deer numbers are high, there are several of them around. I'd mention them, but then Scott and Dave will try to convince the selectman there that deer numbers should be 10 per square mile.
If you really have a burning desire to hunt Redding, let me know, I have land there and if you like to see squirrels and birds, it's great place.