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scentlok,scentblocker and others???
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Contributors to this thread:
wvbownut 11-Jul-14
gobbler 11-Jul-14
babysaph 12-Jul-14
Bennett2012 12-Jul-14
ken 12-Jul-14
wvbownut 12-Jul-14
Bennett2012 12-Jul-14
wv_bowhunter 12-Jul-14
gobbler 12-Jul-14
wvbownut 12-Jul-14
Bennett2012 13-Jul-14
gobbler 13-Jul-14
Saxton 15-Jul-14
babysaph 15-Jul-14
wvbownut 15-Jul-14
babysaph 15-Jul-14
Doug 21-Jul-14
gobbler 21-Jul-14
gobbler 21-Jul-14
TexasAggie 24-Jul-14
gobbler 24-Jul-14
TexasAggie 25-Jul-14
Saxton 25-Jul-14
gobbler 25-Jul-14
TexasAggie 25-Jul-14
gobbler 25-Jul-14
Woreout 26-Jul-14
From: wvbownut
11-Jul-14
Just been watching the outdoor channel since achilles tendon surgery has me laid up for the next few weeks (months?) and wondering how many of you use the scent clothing?? I don't have any of this stuff don't plan on buying any of it. Just wondering what you use for scent proofing yourself.I realize playing the wind is the best thing but do you use something to help mask your human odor. Do you really on clothing or other stuff?

From: gobbler
11-Jul-14
What happenned? Did you tear your tendon? Sorry to hear that. Make sure you give it plenty of time to heal. Tendons take longer to heal than bones. Don't push it or rush it. I know it's a pain, but if you push it and retear it then you've really got problems. Good luck

I use scent-lock but only as one tool. Frequent showers, scent free detergent , keeping clothes outside, and all the other things I use too.

I know being downwind is the most effective and foolproof method. However, in our woods with the wind and thermals being so fickle I figure every little bit helps.

One thing that I used in Iowa last fall because the Farmer had one and swore that it worked was an Ozonics. A couple of my friends used them too with positive results. I never got winded once in Iowa. In fact, when I got home it made its way to the top of my Christmas list. I was impressed, of course I may have been lucky, but I'll be using it again this fall.

Good luck with the heel

From: babysaph
12-Jul-14
I just play the wind and use scnt free deodorant and such.

From: Bennett2012
12-Jul-14
I use the body wash shampoo and detergent for clothes prefer to hang clothes outside to dry but if weather won't let me the ol lady loves the smell of fresh earth dryer sheet HAHAHA I can honestly say since I have been using the scent-lok and scent blocker clothing along with the other I haven't been winded very often nothing like before anyway

From: ken
12-Jul-14
best thing to do with scent-lok or scent blocker is use it head to toe if you leave one out you defeat the purpose also as gobbler said ozonics is the real deal pricee but it works get the 8 hr battery used in Canada and in wv and have not been winded since some cases wind blowing off me into there face at 10yds

From: wvbownut
12-Jul-14
I don't use any of the scentlok or blocker stuff. I do have ozonics and it works but a pain to charge batteries and also something else to carry in the woods with all the other stuff but it does work. I have had really good luck with NOSE JAMMER this past year. I never had a negative reaction when I used it. Yes gobbler I tore my Achilles completely. for the next two months I'll be in a cast with no weight on the leg. The 6-8 weeks of walking boot and crutches. Looks like I can be on crutches until the first of november. Had to cancel my elk hunt. I've worked out for the past three years with only the month of november off for our elk hunts. and then I turn to dribble a basketball and I tear it completely. Sucks but it's what I'm dealt with so I need to make the most of it and hunt from the ground this year.

From: Bennett2012
12-Jul-14
I have been on crutches during hunting season have had 3 operations on left the worst part was trying to get through the fields with high grass it don't work very well and unless ya got a friend that don't mind to help ya carry ya stuff ya pretty much S O L don't know which one is worse bow season or spring gobbler season on crutches

From: wv_bowhunter
12-Jul-14
I started wearing scent lok around 2005 or 2006. I started out with a Cabela's/scent lok shirt and pant that I wore all the time and just layered over once it started getting colder. I later got the scent lok timber fleece suit and wore both together. After the shirt and pants fades from the constant washing and drying I went to the timber fleece only. While I always store it in a scent safe bag and keep it as scent free as possible, the last couple of years I haven't been "reactivating it" throughout the season. It is my go to outfit though because it fits great, is comfortable, and I love the silence that the fleece provides. I also use HS Scent Away fresh earth spray on my boots and clip one of their fresh earth wafers on my hat or safety harness.

At first I thought the scent lok really worked, but as I started slacking I didn't notice a huge difference. However, I agree with Gobbler in that the wind swirls so bad in these hollers that every little thing can help.

From: gobbler
12-Jul-14
Sorry to hear that. Good luck

From: wvbownut
12-Jul-14
did they have a law suit against them a few years ago. Something about you would have to heat it up to 600 degrees before the carbon would reactivate? I remember talking to Roger Rothaar about scent loc stuff and he just laughed and said that he used whatever soap was on sale at the local store and said that all the other stuff was just a gimmick.

From: Bennett2012
13-Jul-14
I don't know bout a gimmick but it sure seems like I have gotten a lot closer to deer than before and haven't been winded as much so as far as it goes for me ima keep buying and using it

From: gobbler
13-Jul-14
They did have and lost a lawsuit. Their advertising claimed you could forget the wind, just hunt.

Well, anybody with common sense knows that you can't just forget the wind.

I respect Roger Rotthaar for what he has done but I think comments like that really don't help. Maybe he does use Irish spring that even I can smell from 30 foot away.

I really think there is an additive effect from scent free detergents, carbon clothes, frequent showers etc.

First, you have to pay attention to the wind, but in those cases when the wind switches or the thermals drop the extra protection that the clothes, soaps, and scent blockers may give you the extra few seconds you need before a buck fully winds you.

Do you need them? No, but I think they can help.

From: Saxton
15-Jul-14
I use to buy into all of the scent loc stuff. Until I started hunting with some older "old School" fellas.

They use army surplus camo and older bows. These guys always fill their tag with quality game. ie. buck, bear, pronghorn.

Think about the elk hunters that bivy for days.

They are woodsmen and always...ALWAYS.. watch the wind.

When I decided to quit wearing my Scent Loc base layer; I seen just the same amount of game as before.

If it gives you confidence; wear it. IMO it is just a gimmick that ups the price of hunting apparal.

I have seen the studies that state that the heat required to reactivate the suit would burn it up. Also if it worked so well; the drug guys would use it for smuggling.

Also think of this. The guy in China that fabicated that suit could have been smoking at the time. It then goes into a bag and sets in a ware house with anything you could imagine. Then it gets shipped with who knows what. After all of the handling and transportation, it makes it to the store. There it hangs on a rack and handled by people that have all kinds of smells on them.

So now this scent absorbing garmet has already absorbed the worlds stench before you ever wear it.......

From: babysaph
15-Jul-14
I have never found that stuff works real well. I do try to use unscented soap. Hey, I have to wash I might as well use unscented soap. Roger has killed a lot of big deer and he doesn't look like the type that would go in for all of that stuff. Gene Wensel once said "If scent lock is all that good then why do I still smell my own farts?". Very good point. Those guys have killed some big deer. I have found that I get winded some when I think I shouldn't and don't get winded when sometimes the deer are directly downwind from me. I would rather save my money for hunts. But that is just me. There was a time when I did all that stuff though. JMO.

From: wvbownut
15-Jul-14
Gene Wensel once said "If scent lock is all that good then why do I still smell my own farts?" JR that is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time but it is a true statement. Well said Saxton.

From: babysaph
15-Jul-14
lol. That is a good test

From: Doug
21-Jul-14
There is an article in August Field and Stream about Ozonics. It took a drug sniffing dog 14 seconds to find a man with no scent control and 50 seconds using Ozonics.

From: gobbler
21-Jul-14
36 seconds is plenty of time for a shot . I don't know how many times I wish I could have had an extra 5 seconds before a buck winded me or bolted.

From: gobbler
21-Jul-14
I think a lot of people look at this issue the wrong way. In most things in life we want to know if things work, yes or no. We are conditioned to know if something works 100% of the time.

As we get older and wiser we learn that nothing works 100% of the time in 100% of situations.

Even if we hunt the wind, it's not 100%. How many times have you sat in a stand facing into a northwest wind, then feel the wind come out of the south?

I look at the additive effects of frequent showers, cover scents, scent blocking clothes, ozonics etc. Do I think they are going to be 100% effective ? No. But I do think the additive effects can give us more time. If a buck takes 30 seconds to a minute longer to recognize our scent, that is very likely the difference between no shot and a dead buck.

But that is just my opinion.

From: TexasAggie
24-Jul-14
Speaking as a PhD in chemistry, both activated carbon clothing and ozonics are a bunch of BUNK.

Speaking as a hunter, be clean and hunt the wind.

Furthermore, speaking as a hunter, Scentlok/blocker make nice, well-designed hunting clothes. If you can buy them on sale/clearance, they are worth it. Just don't spend a bunch of money to get carbon, or think it's doing any good.

From: gobbler
24-Jul-14
Everyone has their own experiences and opinions.

Just as I think nothing hardly ever works 100% as claimed 100% of the time, I think it's unlikely that a product works 0% as claimed 100% of the time. If it does, it never makes it to market or is out of business soon.

From: TexasAggie
25-Jul-14
For things like tree stand height, or vane choice, or broadhead choice, you're right that experiences and opinion are valid.

When you get down to stuff like scentblocker, field sprays, and ozonics, though, you're talking about chemistry. And in chemistry, the plural of anecdote is not data. There are right and wrong answers in chemistry.

For the activated carbon/charcoal clothing, the science is settled. The carbon layer CANNOT be regenerated in the dryer to any appreciable extent. The binding coefficient is much too high. There is a reason that it's regenerated at 600 degrees C in industrial applications. Once the available "seats" for scent molecules are taken, there are no more seats available. And unfortunately for the hunter, you don't get to pick the scents. They start accumulating the minute that garment is exposed to the atmosphere.... in other words, some sweatshop in china. Again, use them if you like, but they're not cutting down your smell. They are nice clothes... that's it.

As far as ozonics goes, the chemistry of ozone oxidation of volatiles is valid chemistry. In a closed system, where the reactants (ozone and the scent particles of interest) cannot escape each other, and where the ozone is generated in excess, yes, the smell will be eliminated. Ozone generators work quite well to eliminate scent in closed containers, provided you don't allow the ozone to react long enough to start degrading plastic and rubber, etc. However, in the field, you have a very different situation. You have your scent stream, flowing down wind from you. You have an ozone source, placed approximately in your scent stream, but not exactly. You have continuous molecular diffusion in and out of the scent stream. You have not only your undesirable human scent molecules available to react, but also all the other natural scents of the woods available to react. You have a source that admittedly doesn't generate very much ozone, or it would exceed OSHA limits for health and safety(it doesn't, so it doesn't put out very much ozone). Finally, the kinetics of these reactions are slow... something on the order of 10^-1 1/s, which means about ten molecules per second. If your scent can travel from you to the deer in a few seconds, only a small percentage of your total scent would be eliminated in the available time. I for one, would love to see Tom Nelson solve a mass balance equation for ozonics on one of his commercial breaks... ;)

So, the chemistry behind ozonics is solid, but in a hunting application there are so many unaccounted for variables that it's laughable. When I saw the first commercial for one I almost fell out of my chair laughing. And then I found out they're $600!

As far as scent control products that DO work.... most of the field sprays are pretty good. They are either peroxide/baking soda or cyclodextrin based, both of which you can apply directly to clothing/gear and they DO eliminate some odor. Not all, but a good bit.

As for me, I take a shower with scent free soap, use scent free laundry detergent, and a little field spray. Total cost: $20 a year.

I studied chemistry for 9 years of college and make my living with it. And frankly, it makes my blood boil to see unscrupulous turds like Scentlok and Ozonics bilk working folks out of hundreds of dollars for snake oil.

From: Saxton
25-Jul-14
.....and that is why I love Science. Case Closed!

From: gobbler
25-Jul-14
I appreciate and understand your response. It's hard to beat science, however I do think there may be some more benefit to the ozone technology. Plus I think they are like 300, not 600.

However, if these companies want to sell their product, as long as they don't advertise falsly( like scent lock did, and got its hand whacked), I say go for it.

Let the consumer decide. If they decide it's not worth it or dosen't help they will quit buying it.

Some people shoot 400.00 bows, some people shoot 1500.00 bows, some people ride 5000.00 atvs, some ride 12,000.00 atvs. What difference does it make? And who cares anyway? I'm certainly not going to get mad about it.

Now, if people were forced to buy them, yeah I think it would be wrong, but no one is forcing any one to buy carbon clothes or an ozone producer.

What pure chemistry has a hard time explaining is the "placebo" effect. When you are dealing with humans that is a very real result that is obtained when there is no scientific basis for that response.

If somebody believes that by wearing a scent lock suit, sitting under an ozonics device, or having their grandpas lucky rabbit foot in their pocket they are a better hunter, maybe they are because of some unknown "placebo" effect. They have more confidence, they decide to stay that extra half hour.

From: TexasAggie
25-Jul-14
Agreed on the placebo effect. Some folks take that as proof it works. I have the same placebo effect when I eat corn dogs for lunch. ;)

From: gobbler
25-Jul-14
LOL

From: Woreout
26-Jul-14
Hello, I am new to this site as a member (southern WV), but have often read these posts in the past. I pay close attention to the wind as well, but I wash my clothes in plain old baking soda and place them in a bag with foliage from the area I hunt in and even with the wind swirling, I have been very successful with this. I enjoy reading everyones posts and looking forward to an exciting 2014 hunting season. Good luck everyone.

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