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Under possible changes to deer rule, CDACs could gain power, including ability to recommend antler point restrictions, limiting buck harvest to first two days of a season, etc.

From Dec. 11 MJS article by Paul Smith:

The permanent rule could create a process by which CDACs could ask for changes in regulations such as bonus buck.

"These CDACs have to know they have skin in the game or this whole system falls apart," said Greg Kazmierski, a board member from Pewaukee.

In addition to bonus buck, the councils could vote to influence other local deer management regulations, including: holding a four-day December antlerless deer hunt; allowing the harvest of bucks during the Holiday Hunt; holding an antlerless-only deer season; instituting antler point restrictions (four points on a side or wider than the ears) in a selected season; or limiting buck harvest to the first two days of a season.

Any any committee member in northern wisconsin that is in favor of antler restrictions needs a swift kick in the pants. Hunters are screaming about the lack of deer. The harvest is down,etc. The ONLY way to rebuild a population is to stop shooting does. Saving a spike or forkhorn does nothing to rebuild a population.

It's simple folks... in areas of low deer herds.. you can't keep slaughtering off the herd.... the rest of the state has decent hunting... why pass regs on any other part of the state... the decimated 19 are the ones in trouble and are over killed every year.. this will continue under these BS changes... for.... wait for it..... jack crap difference in what we have now ... why clowns like this think they are fooling folks is because we keep voting by buying a tag.... want changes?? Screw them idiots by boycotting their BS deer management crap... hit them in the wallet... only thing the state understands is money for gains... let's send a message in a massive boycott.... it's the only way to get change. . Committees aren't the answer they all have their personal agends

That would work but in todays world I bet we couldn't get 1000 hunters to do it. We are to selfish as a whole.

CDACs are advisory only. DNR will have input, and NRB final say.

Calls for boycotts have been made here for a decade or more. Truth is, the annual turnover of "part-time" hunters is in the tens of thousands every year. Some die, some are ill/injured, lose a job, lose a favored hunt spot, have a death in the family, get married, have a new child, or lose interest for any number of other reasons. Some come back, some never will. The nation as a whole has seen a deficit in recruitment for some time now, and it's finally happening in Wisconsin. May or may not get better. It depends on a lot more than just deer numbers.

We are recommending either a free second private land tag with each license, or a $2 bonus tag (private land only) if the software can't automatically print "private land only" on the free extra. A lot of talk last night about the $12 fee. One person stated that he used both of his free tags and had two deer in the freezer, all he wanted. In the past said he would have purchased a couple $2 tags "to have in the pocket" and donate a deer or two. He didn't this year.

Our farmer rep (a hunter who at the last meeting voted to maintain, and says he and others accept deer ag damage as part of their enjoyment of seeing/hunting deer) changed his tune last night and voted to decrease. Said there are too many deer. The rest stuck with maintain, citing the uncertainties over crossbows and call-in registration, as well as "hot spots" vs. hard-hit areas. Again recommended an educational process promoting the taking of two antlerless to every antlered buck in areas with high deer numbers.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/hunt/cdac.html

Given the unfornately low level of interest/involvement by hunters in these committees, it wouldn't be difficult to see an individual representing forestry, an anti-hunter, a farming interest, and someone from the insurance industry occupy the other four seats. What do you think the recommendations of that group would be?

Here is the statewide CDAC survey results (we also viewed written comments by county last night; not a lot received in many).

Do you know if the written comments will be published?

Yep, just what Naz said.

This would be scary and needs to stop if it is true. What other mismanagement would get into the works?

I support cdac to a point,, but your statement shows the weak link in the system. Again the wdnr and people in MADISON are going to make the FINAL decision.

With that in mind we are no better off then before. And I voiced this concern at the last meeting. We are hurting in Ashland Co. and at the 2nd meeting the state forester wanted to maintain the herd till an up roar. He is the same person along with a dnr manager that is to approve and take our wants to the nrb.

Doesn't look GOOD..

With added technology and crossbows now legal we have to lesson the killing, all done by hunters. Shorten the seasons, one buck, eliminate party hunting, restrict doe shooting, do something to keep the beer guts from pulling the trigger on their compounds, crossbows and guns.

Lots of check and balances

The only check and balance is what the NRB and the wdnr wants. The committees have no delegate to argue with the NRB or the wdnr if they go against the committees plan for that Co. Not very transparent.

Feel better or are you just going to complain about that one too?

As Roger's said, "R-E-L-A-X"..... give it some time before grabbing your torches and pitchforks

So take your blinders off and get rid of the tunnel vision and lets (ALL) work to make the committees work more efficient. Just because Madison set this up doesn't mean its perfect as you want everyone to believe.

Let edit one more thing so those that didn't attend the meeting know. At the last meeting the committee approved to raise the deer herd in Ashland Co. Then at the same meeting it was up to the WDNR to approve our plan or not. So if the wdnr didn't approve our plan what recourse does the committee have ? None as far as the committee knows.

If the wdnr approved our plan and the NRB didn't then what is the co. committees recourse ?

Now remember the state forester recommended to maintain the herd as it is. Till the up roar. Take a look at the 9day kill from 2007 to 2014 in Ashland Co.. And now this same guy is part of the approval of our plan!!

Geitz Answer the questions plz. You pretent to have all the answers on the cdac educate us.

This is the very first time I have heard this. Its all been that the nrb is the approving head. ( I do go to all the meetings )

Where is this written and why hasn't this been stated to our Co. committee ?

So as you post it here. The wdnr must approve the Co. committee plan. Then on to the nrb for approval. Then to the Gov. for approval. And finally onto the legislature committee. WOW

This is the first some (if not all)of us have heard of this.

He said that is NOT what he was told . He said he was told the cdac recommends to ie increase, the wdnr approves or disapproves it, then sends it to the deer committee for approval or disapproval then finally to the nrb for approval or disapproval.

Geitz if this is not the case plz provide documentation so I can take it to the chair of the cdac.

Currently, the new management plan is under emergency rule. Permanent rule is not passed. Under Act 21, everything passed by the NRB must go thru Gov and Legislature. Now, the permanent rule may allow a bypass but currently it does not but it still must be approved per Act 21.

Second, the county committees do not have an understanding on their authority and obviously( based on the committee reports) what needs to be done. This is not their fault as it is very new to them and I'd imagine it will be more structured in the future. No ones fault as it is new to everyone involved.

My only concern is hunters will be "committeed" out and not sure which or if any are important. Personally, the CDAC meetings for a deer hunter are much more important than a WCC.

"Geitz Answer the questions plz. You pretent to have all the answers on the cdac educate us."

I left Bowsite for quite awhile as it was rediculous on how individuals "beat up" others. While I understand and appreciate others, like Naz, for a difference of opinion; you, on the other hand, continue to bash what you used to believe was important to you. I've never understood but your destructive nature is obvious.

Rather than being destructive, just pick up the phone and call. Otherwise, just don't expect anything explaining WI deer management from me. First, it's a website forum. Second, it's information available to anyone who wants to be involved.

Finally, I used to pee and moan about deer hunting to people and forums, I chose to be active. Others could/can or were involved but would rather pee and moan about deer hunting and chose not to be actively involved.

(Now, I'm sure we'll all hear a rant....lol)

As I posted on here,, I support the cdac and want it to work. But there a questions by myself and others( committee members ) that we would like answered.

You should appreciate the questions being asked and educate everyone "if" you know the facts in an effort to gain support and educate everyone without bashing.

Your posting so far is not gaining support.