When I shot the buck this season with Duncan, we gutted the deer and began to drag the deer when Duncan reminded me about tagging. This was a violation of the law. I then tagged it and we continued our drag.
I make no excuses, it was mistake that could have resulted in a fine if the warden came upon us between the time we started gutting the deer and tagging it. I would have apololgized to the warden and taken full responsibility for my error, just as I do now.
This doesn't change a thing for me concerning my stance on ethical and legal hunting. A mistake vs wanton disregard for the law are very different, even though the tickets handed out are the same.
I apologize to all of the ethical hunters on this site.
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Happened to me a few years ago here in MA. It was dark, and I thought I'd lost my license - which I'd been convinced was in my wallet. I bit the bullet, got the buck in the truck, drove home, was about to go reprint my license (which has tags) and found that it had been in my wallet, just not the spot I thought it was. PHEW!
Mistakes happen.
Like your friend in the "Hypothetical" example who accidently shot 20 deer with tags he did not have and gave them to people who did have tags. Oops, could happen to anyone.
you need to re-read my posting. I never said anything about your PM to me. I said that while we were dragging the deer out you reminded me to tag the deer. I was recounting the day's events and MY mistake. You did nothing wrong and the PMs between us were never mentioned, until now. I send a PM for a reason, to keep certain comments private and I have maintained that goal for myself.
I don't get a on a soapbox, I state my viewpoints. If it sounds like I talk down to people then I apologize for that, it's not my intent. I speak from the heart and I'm adamant about following the law. I only intend for people to understand my point of view, not to preach.
Reminds me of the difference between the guy who was driving 20 mph over the speed limit, gets a ticket, admits to speeding, and pays the fine, and the guy who in the same situation lies and makes excuses to try to get out of accepting responsibility.
Everyone gets to decide for themselves which sort of person they want to be. One type has a clear conscience, they other is always looking over their shoulder.
BBB, I'd share a camp with you anytime.
thanks for the understanding. I'm a pretty simple guy, so I try to conduct my hunts the same way,... within the letter of the law. That way I don't have to interrupt or justify my actions to anyone.
I could give a few EXCUSES, like I haven't shot a deer in 16 years, so I forgot; or I never showed someone how to gut my deer, so I was concentrating on that; or I was answering questions about the kill, etc.
The bottomline, it was my mistake, I own it 100%. I know the regs and failed to do it.
wait until you get old like, you'll need a note to remember where you put your list.
To avoid all of this I have all of my tags filled out with the exception of the date and time that way all I have to do is complete the date time and check box stick it back in my bag and Im good to go until I get home to get a confirmation number online. I have different bag for bow vs gun so I have multiple copies of tags each checked off with the appropriate box ahead of time. I little bit more work but has me covered all season long in the event I get caught in the momemt like you did.
I think you're combining the reporting process with the tagging process, or you're being sarcastic because the state's reporting system leaves a lot to be desired.
I regs clearly state you must tag it ASAP, not within 24 hrs, I'm not off the hook and not looking to be off it, but thanks for the try!
I'm being called a liar because it appears that I left out the part about returning to the truck to drop off the gear and then going to get the wheel barrow. Here's the corrected account:
you killed the deer we gutted the deer we hung the deer fro the tree we walked back to you truck to drop off the bows and your stand leaving the deer hunging from the tree gutted and tagless.. we walked back to the deer and statred dragging half way we decided to get a sled or something. I asked you to tag the deer while I waited with it. your tagswere back at the truckwith your bow and stand. you then returned with the wheelbarrel and your tags.
With all due respect, you are starting to sound like an asshole. Just turn him in and get your $100.
I had typed something about you posting the word by word rules and then closed the screen without submitting it.
BBB had the balls to come out in public and admit to a mistake you brought up in private. That speaks volumes of his honesty. He could've just say ok I forgot to you in private and let it go but he didn't.
BBB, you don't have to be explaining yourself my friend. Even though you forget the damn happy faces sometimes, I think you are a stand up citizen and a great hunter (every 16 years :-)).
Simply saddening.
BTW agree with Crow on the asshole comment as well!! You should never bite the hand that feeds you!!! It will come back to bite you!
please don't attack Duncan, that's now why I re-posted the account. Any disagreement between the 2 of us shouldn't result in open season on him.
I learned that I need to think before I just throw out statements about NEVER doing anything, that's too much of an absolute. My wish is for Duncan to learn how to become a better hunter, and that includes keeping to the letter of the law.
I hate personal attacks and name calling, I would rather we try to educate and learn. Duncan is not an a hole, he's a fellow hunter with a different viewpoint. He should be allowed to discuss those viewpoints without the attacks.
I appreciate the support, but I'm ok with the situation.
I asked bob to come down off his soap box about following the law no matter what. He told me that he stay high on his horse because he always follows the law.I then point out some mistakes the he made while we were hunting togather. Bob once again explained to me how he was following the law in most of my points then posts a public apology for the one mistake we did make. I learned a lot from Bob and this forum and I've thanked him over and over for that. I've also learned that Bob IS always right, even when he is wrong it's just a mistake so its ok. I no longer have any interest in hunting deer with a bow and will no longer be using this forum . I thank every one who sent me equiment when I broke mine. If you would like that back I will mail it back to you. You have my number and address. If i'm not contacted I will pass the equiment on to another hunter or trash it. - Thanks again and God bless
ok, we'll discuss it here.
In your PM you said I broke 3 laws; (1) where I parked (2) the trail we used to access state land (3) not tagging the deer.
I told you I've had permission from the private land owner for approx 15 years to park on the property, and I even stopped to ask if where I was currently parking was ok, since my old spot was blocked off. You were there when we talked with them, why would you even bring that up?
I told you I had called the DEEP about the trail used and I was told it's perfectly legal as long as I don't hunt from the trail. You had no way of knowing that because you never asked about it until now, so I can understand how you may have thought it wasn't legal.
But I also told you I was wrong not to tag the deer and I would post my correction and an apology. I didn't minimize what I did by saying it was just a mistake, my exact words posted above are "This was a violation of the law." I went on to say "I make no excuses, it was mistake that could have resulted in a fine if the warden came upon us between the time we started gutting the deer and tagging it. I would have apololgized to the warden and taken full responsibility for my error, just as I do now."
I don't think you're mad at me for pointing out that I was right on 2 things and wrong on 1, or that I "preach" about going by the letter of the law. I think what's really at the heart of this is you tried to justify illegaly hunting and the group disagreed.
My only comment to you about your posting was I was disappointed in that viewpoint and that I could no longer hunt with someone who would condone illegal activity. I never said you were a bad person for having your viewpoint, and I still defend your right to state your views on this site.
I'm taking full responsibility for my mistake, breaking the law, illegal activity, whatever term you think is appropriate; but I think you need to own your viewpoint and stick by it. Don't quit hunting, don't run away from the site. Face it and become better.
I'm still not quite sure why you got so angry with me so quickly and that's fine. I tried to show you the way I hunt, and like others on this site who don't agree with me, it wasn't a match. I still respect the people on this site, they don't have to agree with me, they don't need to say I'm right, and the same goes to you.
Good luck
"Duncan/Limeymotors (whomever you are)....BBB took you hunting, taught you about woodsmanship, gave you tips on how to be successful, etc. AND you have the balls to call him out on a stupid-ass interpretation of tagging a deer in the state of CT? Simply saddening."
"Duncan unbelievable how old are you 12? "
I agree with all of the above! Well, except when Crow implied that there may be some respect due.
Bob, nice thing you did. Ever here the one about lipstick and a pig?
Duncan has thanked me, several times. That's the confusing part to me, he went from hot to cold in a fraction of a second.
beman - why are you on this thread if you don't want to read it? The thread is titled "Correction and Apology" Now I have to apologize to you for apologizing to the group too? :)
I'm done, let's talk about WB and ticks now!!
Duncan is not a bad guy, we just have a different opinion about ethical hunting.
As for me, go ahead, I'm a big boy. I don't hide from my mistakes, I face them and learn from them. I'm consistent in my proselytizing, you have to give me that.
Also, keep one thing in mind Toonces - my intention was NEVER to get away without tagging a deer. And like I said before, my ticket and fine would look the same as the guy who tried to get away with it. No excuses.
Big Bob, you walk the walk. Much respect. I've got to admit to almost always taking a "hero shot" photo the very first thing upon claiming my deer. Even before tagging. I suppose once I have touched it I have "taken possession" and should be tagging then. What a mess, if tagging before even gutting.
"if you leave the kill, the completed harvest tag must remain with the animal." The tag is technically not completed until the confirmation number is written on it. We have 24 hours to report the kill/harvest then get a confirmation number for the tag.
Nitpicking Bob about forgetting to fill out the tag halfway out is a special kind of deuche hole thing to do. That's too bad, Bob seems like a better guy than the vast majority of folks in the woods. Hope you stick to your resolve to stop hunting and staying off this forum.
This isn't a group therapy/confessional forum where we all wring our hands and sing Kumbaya. This is a hunting forum dammit!! Meat, blood and guts -- even if it's only once every ~18 years or so!! ;)
Now since the Season is upon us lets all hold hands and sing Christmas Carols while the reindeer straps are grilling on the fire!! Peace to All.
the thread is about ethical hunting. I'm always surprised that people read certain threads and then get upset that someone posted them. Just chose which ones interest you, and ignore those that don't.
So after I shot the deer this year I had to stab it over and over in the heart and blood and guts were flying everywhere, it looked like a bomb went off.
There you go, enjoy :)
id hunt with you bbb and appreciate the lessons , besides, itll be fun watching you cringe..lol
I could never hunt with you,....I'd be laughing too much! We wouldn't get any deer, but boy would it be fun.