Primitive Weapon Season / Area
Wisconsin
I did not want to hijack the Kaz thread, so I started a new one..... I am going to submit a proposal at the CC meeting on this type of season or area,,,,,,,,,
I would think this would be pretty unique, or better yet have an area set aside for this type of hunting....
Do you think I would get any support
doubt it. But maybe if you tried it in an area already designated "walk in only" or "no motorized vehicles". I just don't see enough people willing to sacrifice.
Yea I'm going to submit an archery only season from 9/1 thru 1/1. Do you think it will pass?
You don't need to be a dick about it, I was just wondering,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Sorry razor but common sense will tell you that there would be less than 1% chance that will happen in Wi. I would be all for your proposal, but I'm also for bow only (no crossguns) deer seasons. Just not realistic.
Razor the leather wall had this very topic as one of the threads a few months ago. Ron LaClair was talking about it and everyone starting a peeing match over it. It wont go unfortunately unless money is to be made. People will fight about anything they can fight about now a days. What's primitive, what's traditional, tree stands allowed? No sights, no pins no releases, no cameras will all be argued.
Although I agree with RJN on the crossbow use, his answer will be the likes or types of responses you will receive.
There wouldn't be many responses like mine because I actually support it. I just know the majority would not put down their 300 fps bow for traditional. Like Pasq said, if there is no money to be made it doesn't stand a chance.
I like the idea but doubt it would go anywhere in the land of easy for me. It never hurts to try though. We all might be surprised!
Great idea. Camp Ripley in Mn. i believe is a bow only area. Edmonton, Alberta has a huge bow only area also.
What do you consider a primitive weapon? In Luisiana they consider any single shot rifle of at least 35 caliber to be primitive, there is a huge run on cheap H&R single shots in 35 Whelen.
I absolutely love the idea, and I'm not a trad guy. You will probably get very negative feedback. I put out feelers a while ago about trying to get a few public areas designated archery only with a draw to hunt them. For some people you would have thought I was asking them to give up their left nut.
This same topic ran on the Big Game Forum a few months ago. Most people were very against the idea. Some reasons stated were that it was further division of hunters causing contention (trad vs compound vs xbows). Another one was as Zinger stated in regard to what is considered primitive? Then there were people saying where do the special seasons end - i.e. should there be one for pistol users only, etc? Then the logistics of how long is this season and how many other hunters would be excluded. The thread on the BGF got contentious at times as one would expect.
I personally don't see it flying but it never hurts to try.
razor, you have mine! Start a petition, I will sign it for sure. Need to produce a video supporting your cause, I'll produce it. It's what I've done for 48 years. Grassroots is how these things get done.
I have to believe that if you were to get 25% of bow hunters to buy in, they, the DNR would get onboard.
What is primitive? I would support a primitive season or area as long as it was in fact primitive. Single shot and hand held won't cut it in my book. I mean down right, look him in the eye, see it blink, and give the critter the advantage.
The problem as I see it is that public means just that, public land, available to anyone. Maybe there might be a way of having that happen at a specific state park, etc. a lot easier (muzzleloader-only gun hunt in Peninsula State Park, for example).
NAZ, other states have archery only areas with no problems. Hell other states have archery only counties or whole management zones. Other states also have primitive only seasons on public land. It really wouldn't be that hard to do. But like I said yesterday in the other thread. Unless a politician figures out a way to gain from it, it isn't going to happen. Want a perfect example, crossbows.
Rut.... there is an area near Poynette which is archery only.
But with that being said, the foresters say there is too many deer anyway and trees need to be certified;)
Hunted U.S. national forest and out west, that was restricted to archery only. Public land can be restricted by state game agency as how they fit
Mequon, used to be archery only. Provided some of the best hunting in the state until the town decided to change it.
There you have it Razor. Everything from "that would be great" to "use common sense" and everything in between. I wish you luck and hope you do submit. There are a good number of trad guys that would stand along side you in your proposal.
Why? Why do people want to limit the way other people hunt? The compounds the vast majority of hunters are using are way more modern than the bolt action rifle I use for deer hunting. My go-to rifle was made in 1948, at that time there was nothing like a compound bow. Archery has advanced leaps and bounds in that time, firearms really haven't.
Stop beating around the bush and say what it really is - horn porn! People want bigger antlers so they are trying things like this to get them. If you made an entire county "primitive" and didn't allow rifles or compounds how would it affect you? If you hunt private land it wouldn't except you wouldn't be able to use what you chose to use. If you hunt public you ill probably have less competition in the woods. That sonds great until you realize that that means less hunters and the ones that leave doing things other than hunting.
I swear hunters and fishermen are their own worst enemies sometimes!
Zinger for me it is the notion of the challenge. Stepping back to a simpler time. I see that as appealing! It's like fly fishing. Why do we fly fish? Would not tell you what you can or cannot hunt with. Don't get me wrong, I love shooting my Mathews but, really am looking for a more traditional hunt in the future. Wanted to hunt one of the wilderness areas in Northern Wisconsin this year but, didn't get it done. Hope to in 015, and God willing with either a long bow or recurve. Depends on how my shoulder holds up. Even if I can't, I would like to see others have that opportunity to get back to the roots of hunting in an area designated for it. It's not about horn porn, because if I do get the chance, I will take the first 1.5 year old or older that presents a shot. You cannot argue that hunting with a long bow or recurve and harvesting a deer is a greater challenge than with a modern bow. It simply is.
Almost all municipalities already offer bow/crossbow only hunting; trick is being able to get access.
Rut, I'd imagine states you're mentioning are mainly vast large tract areas of mostly public land wilderness, etc., not fragmented land like WI?
As GVS said; define primitive. In-line are NOT primitive muzzle loaders...the only true primitive archers shoot self bows...what sets the standards?
I get, in today's world not many do the self bow thing...I'm a recurve guy myself. But I would support true muzzle loaders...flint or percussion...solid sights...etc.
We have enough national forrest areas big enough to support such designation as "primitive zone". Perhaps we can mirror Wyoming and mandate non-resident hunters be required to hire a guide...tongue in cheek...lol.
I'd sign it.
My recollection was that Oregon had a traditional archery unit. The politics of that might be an interesting read. An explanation of the hunt quality and hunter demand would also be of interest. Anybody ever hunt it?
Nicely said 10. Horn Porn has zero to do with traditional hunting but classification of primitive/traditional will be argued until forever rolls around.
Zinger has his thoughts and we discussed awhile back. It is for some and not for some. I for one will never hold a compound in my hand to hunt again. I will never hold a crossbow unless handing it to a disabled or elderly hunter for their use. As November said we are elitist... HA... No clue.
Naturally Zinger would be one to bitch about this.
I just don't understand why you want to limit what other people do. If you want to hunt in the wilderness with a self bow or a old style muzzle loader have at it, no one is stopping you. I can understand the appeal of doing it with old style equipment but what does it hurt if the other guy is using a compound? I can see that during rifle season limiting it to traditional style muzzle loaders would reduce the amount of hunters in the woods and possible make for a more quality hunt but I don't really see that with a bow as the woods aren't over run with archers like gun hunters.
Isn't Madelaine Island muzzle loader only? If not I believe it used to be. That might be an option if you want to hunt a place that's ML only.
Also setting what "primitive" is would be next to impossible without people skirting around it. Are you really going to say self bows only? Only wooden arrows and flint knapped heads? Or will you allow aluminum arrrows? For muzzlelaoders will it have to shoot a patched round ball? Does it need to be a side hammer? What about rifling? Can it have rifling or does it need to be smooth bore?
Again if you want to use any of the "primitive" weapons go for it, just please don't tell me what I have to use - within reason of course.
Many states have barbless flyfishing rivers as well. I would support an area that is traditional bow(no wheels) and traditional mz(no scope).Ft. McCoy type?
As was stated on Leather Wall...be careful what you ask for. A Ft. McCoy location is a good prospect, but state wide we have early season archery, firearm...includes sticks and muzzle loaders, muzzle loader season, late season archery, and, of course, the holiday doe kill seasons...throw in the youth hunt, and the bs T zones and that equals A LOT of competition for time and deer.
As a bowhunter only, I live for those golden couple of weeks each october and november, and fear losing time to special interest hunts. Yeah...call me what you wish...but I do so enjoy hunting unpressured deer in non-crowded forrests. Those two conditions are getting hard enough to find.
We had the entire season and State primitive at one time, then we gave it away with this thing called a compound. Did the same process again with an inline. You guys were asleep, or not born yet.
"I just don't understand why you want to limit what other people do"
You are absolutely right. So why not let people use heat seeking, full auto weapons during archery season? Why limit them? Why can't we set mines all over our land? Don't limit me. There are those that would like to hunt with high powered rifles year round. Why not let them? Why do we have those pesky seasons and bag LIMITS. I find them so limiting.
Oh... the pipe dreams.... this has about as much of chance as getting a bait free state.....you don't really expect a Wisconsin hunter to give up anything do you...??? LOL... who would give a hunting spot??? ... Great idea... but we will never see it do to hunter greed....just ain't happening here.
Besides we had a primitive weapons season ... some idiots let erode away by adding other modern weapons
I just don't understand why you want to limit what other people do
That isn't said anywhere in the threads.
Not limiting anyone at all! Grab a recurve or longbow and have at it. Just have to use primitive/traditional bow with the string on your fingers.
I don't understand how something like this is forcing things on people. Yet when crossbows were forced into bow season we were suppose to be all sunshine and rainbows.
Pasq, exactly. Not limiting anyone, if anything the idea makes an archery hunt more affordable by taking some of the technology out of it. It could easily be defined as either a recurve/long bow, primitive weapon hunting unit. I'd say allow modern arrows for safety but, no release, totally instinctive. The way to do this is petition hunters for an entire year at different venues around the state.
