Here is something I was forwarded and if you enjoy the ability to go out an hunt and fish please attend the meeting so groups like this don't shut our seasons down.
I know that we disagree on a lot of things, but let's show them that we support our hunting, fishing and trapping heritage.
From: Patricia Randolph [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 3:33 PM Subject: Madravenspeak CRANES/WHITE DEER/INCREASED TRAPPING & HOUNDING April 13 ELECTION/VOTE STATEWIDE DNR ANNUAL NATURE CITIZEN REPRESENTATION Sand hill cranes, rare white deer, more hounds on bears, night market trapping for the bottomless Chinese and Russian markets are on the want list April 13 in all counties in Wisconsin - up for public vote - as the mass extinction continues, trapping has tripled in export from the United States in just five years since 2009. Inline image 1 http://host.madison.com/ct/columnist/patricia-randolph- s-madravenspeak-stand-up-at-april-statewide- citizen/article_b5614302-8863-5fe6-9b31- 40008d8c800a.html Please read and network. There are links above the column on the Capital Times web site for networking to social media - and your email lists.
Monday, April 13, 2015 at 6:30 p.m. in every county is the DNR/"Conservation" Congress ELECTION & VOTE on issues drafted by the 360 hunter/trapper delegates ( except 2 ) who have run this state into the ground for 88 years - now running packs of dogs and trapping on all public lands. This year alone they recruited 2041 new trappers on $5 incentives to mangle and kill as many wild animals as they can in 6-7 months on our publicly purchased lands. NO - hunters do NOT buy our public lands - they are 94% purchased by the rest of us who kill nobody.
You can find the links and POSTERS to print off and adapt to your county location at the Wisconsin Wildlife Ethic web site www.wiwildlifeethic.org in 8 X 11 format to use either as posters or flyers at events. You can print them in color or black and white - and I will add a tabloid 11 X 17 format for those of you who want to use that. Four posters on four of the proposals that you can read about at the above link in the Madravenspeak column.
Please network the column, the web site, the posters and the necessity of more than 6000 hunters and trappers showing up statewide to vote on these additional killing disasters. 52% of all wildlife on the planet has been destroyed in just 40 years - it will take about 15-20 to kill off the entire planet - we humans follow shortly after we have destroyed our life support system.
Please join our membership at Wisconsin Wildlife Ethic to volunteer and help our wildlife. Millions are being tortured and murdered i this state for fun. Do not be afraid of the word "murder" - that is what it is - and it is destroying the life support system for all life, including our own. Learned helplessness will no longer suffice. Please bring friends. Please stand up for election for the two positions in your county with a friend - no science needed ( obviously - and none used by the prevailing cartel)...Even the non-profits are in bed with killing interests...so don't expect Audubon, Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy or League of "Conservation" Voters to take care of wildlife - they are in bed with hunter membership to "save habitat" FOR KILLING.
Please go to the www.wiwildlifeethic.org web site to learn more about being a candidate/delegate ( four meeting commitment a year ) or email me at [email protected] to answer your questions . Without candidates, we have no possibility of creating humane legislation or stopping the killing spree.
Network the column to raise participation. After 88 years, this election which hunters and trappers call "the most important election in the state" MUST be recognized now by millions who buy our public lands only to be excluded from them by violence. Thanks.
Patricia Randolph State Columnist Capital Times newspaper every other Sunday www.wiwildlifeethic.org 608-981-2287
Truth be told, the "enemy" in this case is rather harmless, simply due to her choice of words and the many falsehoods she writes. She's no Wayne Pacelle. Pacelle/HSUS is the real enemy. Articulate. Clever. Masters at deceiving those who believe they are simply helping puppies and kittens. The $ they raise in one day dwarfs what Randolph's group has raised in the nearly three years they've existed. Their Facebook page is dead (no activity), with 69 "likes." Simply put, they're a non-player in policy-making.
No "Enemy" to our hunting, fishing and trapping heritage is "harmeless".
Just look at history over the years. A little wake up call is always good.
Not good.
This is something everyone of us should be concerned about.
davebow I disagree - If for only the reason of showing solidarity and networking those meetings are worth everyone's time. If everyone thought like you nobody would be there.
It's all about being involved and yes, some meetings more informative/important than others but the bottom line is if your not part of the solution - your part of the problem.
Problem is most folks ride on the backs of a few. Let someone else worry about it attitude. Thank God there are those who worry.
Goofy folks like Patricia and her gang of yahoo's think it's important enough to attend these meetings. Yes, she a wacko, but she has a following. PETA/HSUS have huge followings and they are all the "enemy".
Anti-hunting sediment is growing nationwide and everyone of us has to make an effort - even if it's as simple as conducting ourselves appropriately when in the public eye.
Our numbers are decreasing and the non-hunter numbers continue to grow.
Yes, non-hunters. Anti-hunters? There's a big difference between the two. The majority of the public is, of course, made up of non-hunters (and the majority of those non-hunters, as shown by multiple surveys through the years, support hunting or are apathetic — they don't care one way or the other). Sometimes license-buyers pull some b.s. and turn some non-hunters into anti-hunters, but for the most part the Patricia Randolphs of the world are a very tiny minority. Sixty-nine Facebook likes in three years, and I'd bet some of those folks who don't even live in Wisconsin.
Yes, happy...they did but the WCC chose to support full inclusion anyway. Same goes for EAB and other issues, the WCC does go against the vote of the public. They also play games with the public and place questions which angry sportsmen in order to boost attendance so the hearings appear important.
Sorry, I've never been a supporter of the WCC because of this. They also step outside of their boundaries and lobby politicians.
Maybe if the above was different, I would have more faith and attend.
Facebook means nothing. It's a thing of the past.
What worries me is their ability to show up and get elected. They don't have to tell the truth when asked if they are anti's. It's how the gal got elected a couple of years ago here in Portage county.
All I am saying is that if you have the time, energy and willingness to go to the meeting go and vote. You don't even have to listen to all the questions. Read them, cast your vote and go home if you wish.
I wish they could send a booklet and a ballot to everyone who purchases a license. Give them the ability to vote electronically and I bet the number of voters would skyrocket!
There are a few issues this year that might raise the hairs on the back of your neck. For instance the expansion of hunting bears with dogs. There is a proposal to allow dog hunters to hunt bear down to Hwy 21. If you look at the map, there are no big chunks of land East of HWY 39 where there are big numbers of bears.
Do you want dogs running bears during the early deer bow season??
Just saying.... Get out and vote!
MikeF your right! I agree, don't be lulled into a false sense of security because of Facebook - these wackos are out there and would like nothing better than to take your hunting license and run it through a shredder.
Never underestimate your enemy!
I'm with you MikeF get out and at least show support/vote. I'll be there as well as CDAC!
As a lover of hounds running bears and bear hunting, I have no problem with it. It has been happening for a very long time. Bear season is very short compared to the 4 months we get bowhunting deer. Sharing the woods is something that should be expected of us.
"Sharing" is not the correct word. Trespassing and violating is more like it.
Private landowners where I bear hunt will not stand for the illegal activity. They already are having to deal with it during the training season.
There just are not big enough blocks of public or private land to support dogs running bear without trespassing being an issue. If the dog hunters don't have permission to bait how are they going to get permission to run bears?
Thanks for clearing that up! Trespassing was one of the main reasons I moved my bear hunting to zone C. It's hard enough to secure private land and be successful and adding violators to the mix doesn't make it any easier.
That needs to be dealt with by the law just like those who poach, bait illegally, etc.
While we all know this isn't true of all hound hunters. It does seem all too many want to use the defense of the dog not being able to read no trespassing signs. This is true, but that hound is a piece of hunting equipment that the houndsman is responsible for. If you can't use your equipment in a responsible way, maybe you shouldn't be using it.
Exactly! Now try and get someone to enforce the law that way.
Rarely happens, if at all!
I have spent a lot of time getting this pushed through and if supported it will become law for this fall. It makes no sense that you can hunt a spot if your standing on the bottom. But you can't hunt that same spot from a boat. Creates a hardship and limits where disabled can hunt.
Thanks!
Let elected folks do their jobs and pass laws and regs.. If they don't do what the majority wants.. vote them out... it is what we pay them for..
For some reason. .. some folks here think we should not allow them to pass regs... that somehow the greedy hunters opinions on things are far more important ... so they have groups formed and hire lobby etc.. etc.. and blow smoke up people's tails for their personal agendas .. It's a friggin joke no less...
We pay good hard earned money to the state to set the regs and manage the animals we hunt... let them do their jobs... and if they don't do us right .. to da curb with them... but causing a distraction produces poor outcomes in the long term..
AW - Is everything negative in your world?
Coming from me, it may sound odd, but I think here in WI we are "regulations" to death - we have some many conservation laws now it could choke a horse.
The common Joe Blow can hardly figure it out now -
It seems we add a page or two to the regulations booklet every couple of years! Wow!
Enforce the laws we have first and to those of you who are effected, call and make reports because if it's not reported it's not a problem and it will not be addressed.
Be thankful RC is not still here or you'd get a "Walker for Sportsmen and is a god to WI" rant. I concur with you that politicians' decisions are based on what is in it for them.
The DNR is paid to do a job as well.. cut their funding if we have to steer them all the time.. they are educated in management we are not.. let them make policy and regs...We hint and drink beer.
Legislators who actively hunt and fish are few and far between. IMO, a majority of employees of the DNR are the same. I think some here forget what happened with the Doyle administration,the DNR,Deer 2000, CWD, inaccurate population estimations, over use of antlerless tags, EAB, T-zones, etc...
There were very few legislators who understood the crossbow issue. Yet, you want to hand over the reigns to them without oversight of organizations and the NRB?
You believe change is simply vote them out and toss them to the curb if you are not happy with their actions. It might be the case on taxes or other reform but when you are talking about a minority vote(hunters) it's not that simple. Even if possible, it takes years to change a direction of a government/department. After many years of hiring employees under the "we are over populated, there is going to be a huge drop in hunter so we need to keep on reducing the herd" thought process, there still is a majority of biologist in the Dept that still believe this. You might be able to change the three top people in the Dept but you can't just start firing people.
In every state, hunting orgs lobby for rights, I don't understand why you want to give up that right.
It wasn't too long ago, hunters were so upset about EAB, T-zone and the low deer population that the legislature held a joint NR committee hearing which hunters came in bus loads to attend. After about 10 hours of testimony and almost a thousand sportsmen in attendance, the joint committee told the DNR to go back and adjust the over winter population goal. They came back with a measly 90K increase.
Remove orgs and individuals from the decision making process....if we could only change 90K then, what exactly would have if there were no orgs or public input? Will you rally voters? How much weight will your three votes carry(assembly, senate and gov)?
Dang November, I was told this in a pm too and didn't believe it. That sure didn't take long now did it. Looks like the 11th moniker in less than a year. I think you have Capt Mike pegged quite well. You should have seen him "converse" on Great Lakes Angler website too. He's no different here other than he didn't use the word ignorant then. He just learned it.
Ton's of questions and too many that I did not have a clue on regarding fishing waters that I have never seen nor heard of along with places I have never been.
Saw many familiar faces and some new ones around. Went early and did some networking - fun to get together with some of the old guys and new people I have never met.
I enjoyed it! Wife was "OK" with it.
I voted against the proposal for stands being left up on public lands. IMO it will just lead to further problems between hunters.
Bear hunters were very vocal about leaving zone C of the bear zones as is. I could see their point and voted in their favor even though I will never hunt zone C.
I think the entire room voted against Walker in taking control out of the hands of the citizens and placing the power of managing our resources in the hands of one appointed person. There may be hope for Wisconsin yet!
A lot to digest in a very short period of time and I was glad I reviewed the questions on-line before going. I would like to see it spread out over three days and opened for more meaningful debate.
Hope that answers your question.
10..... Knowing what the NRB is looking at, Ag and forestry, along with any special interest group, must document their reasoning for a reduction. Just saying so should not fly. Documentation on crop damage county wide. Even if one farmer proves he has a problem, it does not reflect the county as a whole. There are programs in place to assist this farmer, if he choses.
Insurance agent have no concern in deer numbers. People have to give up on that. There is no insurance lobby forcing deer reduction. As for insurance agents....I'll make it as simple as possible. Comprehensive(or other than collision) coverage is not a major cost of insurance and at times, about 1/4 to 1/4 the cost of collision coverage. The insurance lobby money would be better spent reducing speed limits or increasing law enforcement to reduce accidents than spend money on deer populations.
If car/deer collisions increase, the insurance company will increase premiums to offset loss/expenses. Let say the annual cost for comprehensive coverage on a policy is $100, an agent would make 10% commission. So if it were to increase to $200 per year, why would an agent want to reduce deer? Even if there was a significant increase in these losses, I doubt an premium increase would be much more than 5-10%.
As tragic as hitting bambi is to the driver, car/deer collisions play a significant role in the auto industry. For body shops, towing facilities, parts manufacturers, paint suppliers, dealers, etc...all benefit from these losses.
The reason for deer reduction based on car/deer collision are because of people.
I think we all learned that the results and votes at the meetings meam nothing when it gets to madison . That has proven out in the last 5 years .
It was well attended, as far as I could judge from past meetings. I can tell you, during pre social hour,, most wanted to talk deer hunting, so hopefully their CDAC meeting will bring more in....
A young lady in her 20's was voted in for the CC position, a young trapper and hunter. She got a well deserve applause.
It was well run, and questions of issues and local concern, went quickly...
The question of the NRB and its loss of authority, and other of Walkers agenda, did not go well for the governor. With all due respect, he got some bad advice from someone on that.....
Antler restriction - We were informed that it was dead on arrival, per the Board, but it was there to vote on. One guy spoke out against it anyway.
Although more appropriate for CDAC meetings, when the question of killing white deer came up, I asked a question. My question was, are we heading towards an era, where we are going to have more complicated and different rules, for each county?
I explained, that in one spot I hunt, I will need to have 3 doe tags, to kill one doe, since of county lines and public and private....... just one example.
The CDAC rep was very well read and spoke well, he said that they are trying to take pressure off of public land, and urged everyone to get involved in their county. They gave out their doe quota as 350 for this year, and to maintain the county herd...
My unofficial survey was that everyone likes the new set up, with farmland, and central forest and such, but do not like how the doe tags early are going, and some at the meeting said so.....
Registration of kayaks and non motorized boats did not go off real well. The point was made, that it would assist law enforcement to identify and empty craft, which is valid, but a stretch.
One participant said that it was time for the tree huggers to pay their part, but another guys said, he had a lot of boats, and why not have a multi boat registration...... either way, that is a vote I will watch.....
Only time is going to tell, how thing will work out in the long run. New ideas are being tried, I might not agree with them, but I will keep an open mind, and see how things work out.
I still believe in the CC and the NRB, we are the only ones in the country, that have it,,,,,,,,, I for one will fight to keep it....
Do nothing, and good men will lose.
as far as crop damage goes, we are the only state that I know of, that has it, just get rid of it........
Best lines of the night, that I heard,,,,,, "we are going to simplify the trout regulations, but instead, we'll make deer hunting more complicated"
Also I bring it up, because Drop Tine asked, for what I know, they voted to get rid of that concealment rule.
they also voted down the tree stand on public land rule, going only off of what I heard
While I'm in favor of stakeholders working with local DNR reps multiple times a year to iron things out, we will likely see even more confusion and rules as a result of the Deer Trustee process.
I gotta agree with RC/Howatt/davebow/et al on this one. xbows were voted down multiple times and then went to full inclusion in the blink of an eye.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/key-committee-to-take-up-scott-walker-budget-proposals-b99481087z1-299779721.html
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How easy we forget that we are again dealing with the "Exalted One". Once again he graces us with his lack of intelligence and ability to annoy like a bad rash!
Calls and letters have been drafted and sent to elected officials and yes the Governor himself.
I don't think the Governor has a hotline to RC's home to use in the event that he needs to consult with him!!!
LOL
Yeah, so isn't anyone curious as to who told who, to put such a anti-sportsman item in the budget? These guys should be voted out of office!
Don't feed the beast. Remember what he thrives on...
"It's all about ME!"
It has been proven that taking part does absolutely no good when the outcome is already decided. if it's a matter with enough money thrown at it, it will NEVER matter what the majority of WI sportsmen want.
"It has been proven that taking part does absolutely no good when the outcome is already decided. if it's a matter with enough money thrown at it, it will NEVER matter what the majority of WI sportsmen want. "
The xbow situation is a perfect example of this.
Mike F's Link
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