For the NE corner of the state, Forest and Florence Co.... not killing does, during the archery season will have no overall effect on the herd as a whole.
He would not allow it for gun season, but for archery it would have little effect........
For the last 5 years, the old DMU unit of 39, now Forest Co, there has been no doe tags at all, and it has had no effect, the herd continues to struggle......
The problem is the habitat. This area has so much Federal land, that is not managed for the benefit of deer,,,,,,, only thru serious habitat improvement will the herd really rebound.....
Tough winter comes and so much predation that always exists, and your back to square one.......
just another perspective, thought was interesting
its just another opinion, that's all. I know we are not going to kill any does, and I hope it helps, I was just saying, it as another perspective, another point of view from a wildlife scientist, who has no self interest in the game.......
November - I wish reproduction did occur like your numbers indicate, by those equations in a perfect world we would have a ton of deer up here.....
For the record, I believe No does should be killed by anyone,,,,,,
Last year during the ML season, when the weather broke, and the crowds were gone, I hunted eastern Forest Co, on the log jobs and in a week I counted 62 deer,,,,,,,, Now figure 1/4 were the same deer, it was nice to see, deer.......
I did not see one buck, but it was nice to see the does and fawns,,,,,,, also this last winter, was mild, so we will see,,,,,,
This much is for sure, when a doe is killed, it has a 0% chance of making the herd bigger. Like releasing a fish, it might still die but in the livewell it has a 0% chance of spawning again.
Look at the statics here. Predation is not decreasing and will be worse until there is another wolf hunt with a respectable quota. The public habitat is not improving. The winters cannot be controlled. What is left that we can control? Letting the does live so they can breed.
It's amazing how not long ago does were treated like vermin that needed to be exterminated and now we're talking about not shooting any.
I put that mostly on the DNR and their short sited management practices of continually writing checks that their asses can't cash. But it's also partly on the hunters who won't excercise restraint or do what's best for the herd. It's a shame the way the resource has been managed into oblivion...
You can't farm deer without a fence. Also without proper habitat you can't increase the herd. Mother Nature is funny that way. It's just the way it is.
DT, are you saying that with a couple of mild winters in a row and restraint on killing does, the herd will not increase because the habitat was not improved?
With increased populations comes increased predator populations, disease, and movement to find food and sanctuary. I'm seeing it on the roads now. Doe's looking for fawning areas. Yearlings getting kicked out and the roads are littered with rotting carcasses.
Without proper habitat and food you can't increase a long term Population growth and sustain it.
Not sure what it means but it sure seems like a lot more deer hit this spring than in past years.
The problem is that the DNR apparently does not factor in winter-kill or predator kill when calculating how many antlerless tags to issue and have reduce the herd to the point where it will take a long time to rebound if it ever does...
The smartest deer use to live far back in the woods. With predator numbers the smart deer now live near humans. Some just can't judge vehicle speed well.
The smartest deer use to live far back in the woods. With predator numbers the smart deer now live near humans. Some just can't judge vehicle speed well.
The smartest deer use to live far back in the woods. With predator numbers the smart deer now live near humans. Some just can't judge vehicle speed well.
long term..start cutting g in the national forests..the price of wood is super high.. great revenue producer and reinvest 20% back into the properties I. Planting and habitat improvements
Correct Mike. But it's not that they don't know they should be figuring it in. If they did figure it in, they would have had no choice but to reduce tags. Which would reduce revenue, which is all they really care about. They milked the northern deer herd for all they could. Now they are feeling the effects of "overdrawing."
