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Contributors to this thread:
GoJakesGo 13-Jul-15
Jeff in MN 13-Jul-15
Steve White 13-Jul-15
happygolucky 13-Jul-15
RUGER1022 14-Jul-15
TrapperJack 14-Jul-15
happygolucky 14-Jul-15
Steve White 14-Jul-15
Mike F 14-Jul-15
Steve White 14-Jul-15
Jeff in MN 14-Jul-15
TrapperJack 15-Jul-15
Drop Tine 15-Jul-15
WausauDug 16-Jul-15
South Farm 16-Jul-15
GoJakesGo 16-Jul-15
TrapperJack 16-Jul-15
Jeff in MN 16-Jul-15
Drop Tine 16-Jul-15
Antler Whore 17-Jul-15
Steve White 17-Jul-15
Drop Tine 17-Jul-15
Jeff in MN 17-Jul-15
happygolucky 17-Jul-15
Mike F 17-Jul-15
Jeff in MN 17-Jul-15
Steve White 17-Jul-15
Steve White 18-Jul-15
GoJakesGo 19-Jul-15
Steve White 19-Jul-15
From: GoJakesGo
13-Jul-15
Anyone having any luck running bears up trees this month? Boys have put 11 up so far. Population looks to be too healthy in some areas. Hopefully the right guys will reduce that number this fall.

Also found a dead wolf on hwy 51 near hwy S in Lincoln Co. Appeared to be car related.

From: Jeff in MN
13-Jul-15
Give that car driver a reward for his deed. Maybe a pin that depicts a car hitting a wolf.

From: Steve White
13-Jul-15
19 so far. That just breaks my heart! Poor wolf, LOL!

From: happygolucky
13-Jul-15
Well done gents!

From: RUGER1022
14-Jul-15
" population looks to be too healthy " Thats sure true in Lincoln cty . Nothing but trouble from those varmints . Theres 7 homes in our road and 4 of us have had damage done to gardens , bird feeders , and Bee hives . by 4 different bears .

2 weeks ago I tip toed up to a mom and 3 cubs preparing to attack some feeders right at dark . Took a picture and then threw a cherry bomb . It went off and the 3 cubs ran up pine trees and Mom jumped into the river never to be seen again .

So much for motherly love . The DNR needs to issue OTC tags in some counties .

From: TrapperJack
14-Jul-15
My son who lives in Duluth and just got done with college was to run bear with his permit but the guy who was going to run his dogs for my son was involved in a accident and is not running this year. So now my son s not going to hunt as he is short on funds and needs to get college bills paid first. He was looking forward to it and hates to waste that tag.

From: happygolucky
14-Jul-15
Trapper, why not have him transfer the tag to a kid versus wasting it?

From: Steve White
14-Jul-15
Trapper- I'm sure up in Zone D with a little digging he can find someone to help him out.

From: Mike F
14-Jul-15
Trapper-

I am sure there are some young hunters in the area that he could transfer the tag to.

From: Steve White
14-Jul-15
Trapper, sent you a pm. One possibility. Not hounds, but something.

From: Jeff in MN
14-Jul-15
Trapper Jack, all your son needs to do is throw some bait out a few times close to season and shoot one. No reason to throw in the towel just because his dog connection did not work out.

From: TrapperJack
15-Jul-15
Thanks for all the info and advice guys. I forgot to state that the tag he has is for zone A. He still wants to hunt and run with dogs but his time is limited as he is just out of college and his work will not allow much time off to be a bait sitter so that is why he was going to run with dogs. If worst comes to worst the transferring the tag is a valid point.

From: Drop Tine
15-Jul-15
Contact WI. Bear Hunters Assn. I'm sure someone there can help him out with a hunt with hounds. I will tell you a hunt with hounds is no guarantee of a quick easy hunt though.

From: WausauDug
16-Jul-15

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can't wait for Sept! I have my first bear tag and soo many bears coming in

From: South Farm
16-Jul-15
No tag, but I've seen 15 bear in the last two months. Should be a great year for you guys!

From: GoJakesGo
16-Jul-15
Hound runners or bait sitters the population is darn high. Trend seems to show less true giants but lots of 130-200lb animals.

From: TrapperJack
16-Jul-15
New as a result of passage of the 2015-17 budget:

1. Class B bear license is eliminated.

2. The Class A bear application fee increased to $4.50.

From: Jeff in MN
16-Jul-15
Trapper, is that effective this year?

From: Drop Tine
16-Jul-15
Yep

From: Antler Whore
17-Jul-15
Why are there no opportunities for landowner permits...?? Or would that cramp someone's style..?

Picking up garbage is getting old. As I am sure it is for many country folks..it's to the point I have the patterned ... Prolly could just sit the back yard when I place a bag in the garbage can.. Not gonna take a lot more of it either.

Landowner permits by preference should be implemented.. Imeadiatly if not sooner.. what use to be good deer land is now so crappy for deer it actually is far better bear land..LOL.. I think I am not alone

From: Steve White
17-Jul-15
That is not a trend in bear size. That is what the American Black bear normally grows to. Yes, they get bigger. Especially here in WI where we feed them so well. Just like Bucks though. You have to let them go to let them grow. That is rarely the case. Most shoot the first one they see. The average in WI is still right around 125 pounds. Look at the hsitorical data on it. Most bear shot are sub adults. ( not yet of breeding age)

That takes me to the next thing on tags. Now we all know what has happened to the deer population. For some reason folks just refuse to understand bear are not deer!! Deer get bred the very first year. Bear do not! Normally it is about 3yrs before a sow can be bred. Now think about that. The highest percentage of bear killed are sub adults. So what will more tags mean? More sub adults taken. Which means we will destroy the bear population much faster. Then it will take even longer for it to come back. WELCOME TO MI BOYS!!

Now MI's bear population been in the toilet for years already. But after this already happened. The deer numbers have dropped to all time lows. Now buck only in the UP as a result. Few bears left. So obviously they are not killing all the fawns. One guess is why. WOLVES!! Good friend lives in Trout Creek jsut north on Land O Lakes. Talked to him last night in fact. He helps a farmer with his hay fields. 4-5 years ago they would count 5-600 deer a night in these fields. Now it cant even break 50. 2 days ago they bumped a fawn out the field with the tractor. It took off for the woods. Put on the brakes, turned around headed back right at the tractor. Out of the woods came a wolf. Ran that fawn right down. Buddy had to put a fence around his yard for safety of kids and dogs!!

Now so many want more tags to kill, kill, kill! Destroy the population in just 1 or 2 years. Then you can explain to your kids and others. Why now it takes so much longer to get a tag as a result!!

Now it has been made well known how to avoid bear conflicts on your property. Still people refuse to listen. But cry, whine, and complain about it when they dont. Do not leave bird feeders out over night. Clean up the mess on a nightly basis. Do not leave your garbage cans outside. Put them out the morning of pick up. Then back into secure storage. DO not leave a dirty grill outside. Don not leave pet food outside. Most conflicts can easily be prevented. Took my neighbors years to listen. Guess what they finally have. No bear issues at all this year!! The bulk of these conflicts happen early in the year. When there is little food in the woods for them. You give them a source they will come. So take away the source!!

Seeing what has happened to the deer population here. Other states as well. What has happened to the bear population in other states. I just cannot understand. WHy so many are so adamant about destroying what we have hear. THE BEST DAMM BEAR POPULATION IN THE US!!!!

From: Drop Tine
17-Jul-15
Because many have blinders on to everything but Whitetails and will kill everything that gets in the way of a overpopulated herd and easy kills.

From: Jeff in MN
17-Jul-15

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Steve, great post.

MN did the same thing. Look at the table titled "Table 1. Bear permits, licenses, hunters, harvests, and success rates, 1992–2012." at the link in this post. (Page 5)

Note how the number of licenses available went up in 98 and the finally started to go down in 04 because hunters were screaming for better quality in size and sightings. The licenses available are still going down because hunters still want the age structure back.

In some of those years you could even buy a second license in quota areas. (no quota areas had the options of 2 licenses for quite a while)

Note how the permit application numbers started to go down in 01. Some hunters were tired of hunting every year they applied and others were starting to see what was happening to the quality of their hunts, in terms of sightings, size, and hunter conflicts.

Our group did not draw this year with 2 points because the tag allocation went down again giving us about a 50% chance. We are OK with that because we know it was the right thing to do.

From: happygolucky
17-Jul-15
It is interesting how everything does revolve around the whitetail and how everyone wants all rules in regards to every animal to revolve around the whitetail. We have one hell of a great thing here in WI with our bear hunting. It is a shame more people can't just accept that and be proud of it for WI.

From: Mike F
17-Jul-15
Steve- Great post!

We've seen it before and we'll see it again. When the population is so low that few baits are getting hit and lower kill rates will cause the closure like it did before.

I have been fortunate to experience the good, the bad and the good again.

I know that this will be hard to swallow, but just because you have a tag doesn't mean you have to fill it. Yes. it's your choice and every animal that we harvest is a gift.

From: Jeff in MN
17-Jul-15
"I know that this will be hard to swallow, but just because you have a tag doesn't mean you have to fill it. Yes. it's your choice and every animal that we harvest is a gift."

Oh, Mike, that is so very true. I have ate many tags, bear and deer in my 50 years of hunting. It used to hurt a bit when I did but I always knew it was the right thing to do. Over the last 20 years or so it just seemed normal. Fortunately I have never needed to eat a Wisconsin bear tag. All my hunts were DIY and the experience learned in Minnesota sure helped to pick good bait sites, read what was happening and always had the time to invest in waiting for the size bear I wanted. When you have to wait so long for a tag that seems to be incentive to hold out for a nice one, that is, whatever nice is to you.

From: Steve White
17-Jul-15

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I feel bad for my friends in MI. They have a real hard time finding bear. One has only found 2 in the keewanaw so far this year with 32 baits out. Does have a couple close to his house 20 miles south. But so many wolves cant hunt there. Most of the UP getting bad with wolves. Lots more stories of lack of bear up there. From last year and this year. MDNR is fianlly starting to cut tags. BUT, you still got many screaming for more tags. Like Ricahrd P Smith. Always spouting we need more kill tags.

Unfortuneately I drew a tag this year. Intent was to give to a kid. But that fell through. Now not sure what I will do with it. Hard to find a kid I can get a good commitment out of. Something is always more or a prioity to them. Most likely I will just hold on to it. Just in case we get a nasty one. Or a wounded one that needs to be put down. Not shot a bear yet with the bow so that is a thought too. So is just eating the tag, as I really could care less to kill one. THE FUN IS OVER ONCE YOU PULL THE TRIGGER!!!

Then there is still the mean SOB GROWLY!! Sows ran him of the baits last year when I hoped to get a sitter on him. He is back and bigger then ever. Would be nice to get a sitter on him. Depends on what fall brings. Also on some of my main dog baits. SO only the right sitter might sit in the evenings there. He has almost killed dogs on me a couple of times. Had to beat him off a dog few years ago. As much as I would like to put him down. Not sure I want to loose a dog over it. Only one way with the dogs will end him. Up close and personal ON THE GROUND!! Muzzle to the ear, and let her rip. There are very few that could do this. Mostly experienced dog men. Cant say I have had many hunters that could do this type of thing. It will make the craziest of us pucker a bit. Im not one bit afraid of him, and he knows it. However, he has one hell of a lot of respect from me!! 2 yrs ago we treed him and one of my lead dogs Chief took a beating for it. Still under the tree full of holes. Harvest season looking up at a easy 300. With no tag in the woods. Now, well you can see by the pic. He is much larger!! His pic from other day at the top!!

From: Steve White
18-Jul-15

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Another view. LOOK AT THAT HEAD!! Book for sure!!

From: GoJakesGo
19-Jul-15
Going to be hard to get that one up lol

From: Steve White
19-Jul-15
Yes it will be. Have done it, but its not healthy for me or dogs. Although talking with my guest form the southern US tonight. Said hey, can find out real quick if you got any bear dogs. Will just go out and drop on Growly! You will know real fast. Already know for most part. Since the last 2 days a 80 pounder ran them dogs out of the woods!!! LMAO!!!!

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