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MF 28-Jan-16
Bloodtrail 28-Jan-16
MF 29-Jan-16
Steve White 29-Jan-16
Mike F 29-Jan-16
Mike F 29-Jan-16
RutNut_@work 30-Jan-16
rattles33 04-Feb-16
skookumjt 04-Feb-16
Mike F 04-Feb-16
Bloodtrail 04-Feb-16
retro 04-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 04-Feb-16
Steve White 05-Feb-16
Mike F 05-Feb-16
Mike F 05-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 05-Feb-16
RutNut_@work 06-Feb-16
razorhead 06-Feb-16
Screwball 06-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 06-Feb-16
Mike F 07-Feb-16
TrapperJack 07-Feb-16
MF 07-Feb-16
Screwball 07-Feb-16
Mike F 07-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 07-Feb-16
Screwball 07-Feb-16
Drop Tine 07-Feb-16
Steve White 08-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 09-Feb-16
Steve White 09-Feb-16
Jeff in MN 09-Feb-16
Steve White 10-Feb-16
From: MF
28-Jan-16
Past couple years its been between Feb 10th & 20th

From: Bloodtrail
28-Jan-16
I just checked with the WDNR and we should know the first to the second week of February.

From: MF
29-Jan-16
MADISON - The state Natural Resources Board approved a record number of bear harvest permits at its meeting Wednesday in Madison. The 11,520 permits are intended reach a bear harvest quota of 4,750 and to stabilize the bear population in three bear management units of the state and decrease the population in a fourth unit where there has been a high level of nuisance bear complaints.

"The last seven bear seasons represent the highest bear harvests in state history and Wisconsin continues to lead the nation with more bears harvested than in any other state," Dave MacFarland, carnivore staff specialist for the Department of Natural Resources, told board members.

"Quotas were developed through the evolution of population monitoring, harvest conflict, and input from key stakeholders," MacFarland said.

The season structure for the 2016 bear hunt is Zone C (dogs not permitted) Sept. 7 to Oct. 11 - with aid of bait and all other legal methods not using dogs. All other zones (use of dogs permitted): Sept. 7-13 - with aid of bait and all other legal methods not using dogs; Sept. 14 to Oct. 4 - with aid of bait, dogs, and all other legal methods; and Oct. 5-11 - with aid of dogs only. For more information, search the DNR website, dnr.wi.gov, for keyword "bear

From: Steve White
29-Jan-16

Steve White's Link
Here is a link to this years quota, and tags to be issued.

From: Mike F
29-Jan-16
We were down in Madison for the hearing. The Board was supportive of our concerns, and that lead to a number of questions to the DNR questioning their position and reasons for increasing those harvest figures. After much discussion on this issue, the Board came to this conclusion. The Board directed the DNR to address this topic and to have a better working procedure in place for 2017. The Board knows there is a problem with the current management plan, but yet have not directed the Dept. to move forward with a new Bear Management plan.

Are there changes pending??? Only time will tell.....

From: Mike F
29-Jan-16
Steve-

Thanks for posting that link. I see that the quota's were approved well before the public hearing.

Why do we have public hearings if they aren't going to take those into account before the quota's are approved????

From: RutNut_@work
30-Jan-16
"Why do we have public hearings if they aren't going to take those into account before the quota's are approved????"

Because the whole idea of wanting public input is just a ruse. Any "meeting" the DNR has to take ideas from hunters/the public, is just blowing smoke.

From: rattles33
04-Feb-16
Getting anxious.

From: skookumjt
04-Feb-16
The green sheet was the RECOMMENDATIONS from the DNR to the NRB. The NRB then has the hearing and makes the final decision. Those of you who consistently blame the DNR don't understand the process.

From: Mike F
04-Feb-16
Spoke with the folks at the DNR today about the new licensing system.

They are going to have the results posted by the 15th.

From: Bloodtrail
04-Feb-16
Thanks Mike!

From: retro
04-Feb-16
6,190 permits for unit C?????? Id be interested to know how many hunters in Unit C are crowded near the Hwy 64 line?

From: Jeff in MN
04-Feb-16
News was talking about so many additional tags and how it is in response to people wanting more quality in their hunts. WHAT? More quality by flooding the woods????

Also so many people applying. Well maybe it is time to put a stop to license transfers. At least not let any new preference points count toward transfers.

And by the way, why are there about as many sows killed as boars each year in a state where sows with cubs are protected?

From: Steve White
05-Feb-16
Because they didnt have cubs, LOL

If you take a look at the harvest data in I bet any state. You will see that most bears harvested are sub adults. Looking at the WI age stats from 91-2012. Average male shot is in its 3rd year. Average female shot is in its 4th year. Generally sexual maturity is 3-5 yrs. So if the the show had cubs at 3. The following year with no cubs is harvested.

Think about that once. Most bears are harvested before they can even breed! Makes it hard for a population to grow dont it!

From: Mike F
05-Feb-16
Retro-

They are taking a look at the issue with hunter conflicts and will propose something for next year.

Yes, the quality of the has tumbled in the past couple of years since they have increased tags. It will continue to tumble until they realize the number of huntable acres are overcrowded.

As far as sows being killed, it happen a lot! I see more sows every year. Not all sows are bred they year they kick their cubs out. I won't put a hunter on a bait that has sows with cubs unless they have hunted with me before. 2 year old cubs are legal, but very small and a lot of hunters don't realize it until the kill it.

Steve hit the nail on the head. Hunters want to punch their tag with the first legal bear that comes in.

The only thing that the DNR and NRB are concerned about is keeping Wisconsin #1 in bear harvest. They could care less about the quality of the hunt or the quality of the bears harvested.

Yes, if one of my hunters pass on a bear it will get killed by the neighbor. We all know that and that;s the mentality out there.

Sad but true....

From: Mike F
05-Feb-16
Retro-

They are taking a look at the issue with hunter conflicts and will propose something for next year.

Yes, the quality of the has tumbled in the past couple of years since they have increased tags. It will continue to tumble until they realize the number of huntable acres are overcrowded.

As far as sows being killed, it happen a lot! I see more sows every year. Not all sows are bred they year they kick their cubs out. I won't put a hunter on a bait that has sows with cubs unless they have hunted with me before. 2 year old cubs are legal, but very small and a lot of hunters don't realize it until the kill it.

Steve hit the nail on the head. Hunters want to punch their tag with the first legal bear that comes in.

The only thing that the DNR and NRB are concerned about is keeping Wisconsin #1 in bear harvest. They could care less about the quality of the hunt or the quality of the bears harvested.

Yes, if one of my hunters pass on a bear it will get killed by the neighbor. We all know that and that;s the mentality out there.

Sad but true....

From: Jeff in MN
05-Feb-16
The person that punches their tag on the first (small) bear they see is not experiencing bear hunting.

I figured there would be some sows killed that don't have cubs with them and even some that do but sure didn't think that would put their kill numbers up equal to boars.

I have killed over a dozen bears between MN, WI, and Ontario and only killed one sow that I remember. A 350# dressed dry sow about 9 years ago in Sawyer county. Had no clue she was a sow.

From: RutNut_@work
06-Feb-16
When one us draw a tag, that's me, kids, or one buddy that hunts with me. We run baits near where I live in Bloomer. We start our baits July 4th weekend every year. When we start baits whether established or new sites I scout a large area looking for other baits. I will not run a bait within a 1/4 mile of another persons. Unfortunately I seem to be the only one in this area with this courtesy. We always have the late starters set up to try and cut off our baits. We have had guys set up a bait on the trails the bears are using to get to our baits. I even had one guy try to take over my bait. He took my camera down and started baiting it on opposite times I was. Then there's the guys that bleached/gassed our baits.

So I definitely agree, way too much conflict in zone c. My daughter doesn't even want to bear hunt again. She's worried about the conflict. She was with when the jerkwad tried to take over one of our baits. It got tense and if my daughter wasn't with I don't know that I would have simply walked away. This is something that use to be fun. But DNR incompetence and greed has ruined yet another thing in WI.

From: razorhead
06-Feb-16
get the tag for B, happy to bait for her, private land, and my house is on the other side of the Brule in Michigan,,,,,,, you would enjoy it

From: Screwball
06-Feb-16
If increased tags is not the solution what do we do about the large population of bears? In our area last year as happens often baits went dead before opener. Why not open season earlier? Can close it for three days during holiday then reopen.

From: Jeff in MN
06-Feb-16
First do not encourage opening the season earlier than Sept 1. Minnesota tried it, disaster, hide is just not worth getting those mounted. Their DNR would not listen either. Just ask anyone involved with shooting nuisance bears before Sept 1.

But, one thing MN did for a while that might help in areas that truly need the bear population knocked down is selling second tags. You don't increase hunting pressure but open up the chance of more bears being killed with fewer people. These second tags could even be limited to specific areas versus anywhere in the area your first tag was good for. (i.e. Township, county, whatever)

From: Mike F
07-Feb-16
An earlier opener is not the way to go.

The issue is too many hunters per square mile of bear habitat. Everyone knows what corn and acorns can do to a bait hunter. With a good crop of each the bears don't come to the baits as often.

Many years bears don't den up in Zone C until early November and this year there were sightings into late November. If the quota is not met the DNR could extend the season and put a cap on it just like they did with the wolves and the way they do it with sturgeon spearing. When the trigger goal is met the season is over at the end of hunting hours on the following day.

They can not continue to manage the bears in the big zones like they do today. There are pockets of a lot of bears and no public access to them. There are also pockets of too many baits per square mile, and with all that food out there it is not a quality hunt.

There are a lot of options on the table, but which one will work the best for the bears, hunters and landowners??

From: TrapperJack
07-Feb-16
A limited spring season in certain areas? I know in our area,of zone C that our baits have gone cold a week prior to the season. The area has a lot of acorns and corn fields thar ripen at that time.

From: MF
07-Feb-16
Spring season would work wonders for Zone C.

From: Screwball
07-Feb-16
I like the idea of a spring season, in C. What are the thoughts on the other zones as well? Go one others will want in. Jeff thanks for the input. The August 15 bear opener in Ontario some bears are not furred out well yet.

From: Mike F
07-Feb-16
Baits going cold in the fall are due to the following-

Corn Acorns and the number of hunters trying to start their baits at the last moments

Yes, a spring season would work, but they should only allow 1 tag per person, either spring or fall, not both. May 1 - June 15 then 4 weeks of no baiting in the zone.

Never had a bear with a bad hide in Ontario in August or September.

From: Jeff in MN
07-Feb-16
My fear with a spring season is that there is nothing else to hunt then and there might be a lot of demand for spring tags because of it. Maybe limit those licenses to residents to help keep demand down some.

I don't think A and D need a spring season. Don't know enough about B and C to have an opinion. Not sure if it would put more stress on Sows and cubs or help by providing sows some easy food.

It would be sweet for guides, getting baits restarted for the fall hunt would be really easy. (not that it is hard now)

I do agree that more zones or sub zones are needed to manage the population and hunting pressure better.

From: Screwball
07-Feb-16
Some of the Ontario bears we harvest have a long mane like strip down the back and not as long fur on the sides and down, just not well furred out yet. Most are in good shape tough. Sub-zones would work also, in our area of Chippewa county it is all private land. We have a large population of bear. Also Bobcats are very abundant. Agree with one tag.

From: Drop Tine
07-Feb-16
North of 64 the season is not broken. There will always be pockets of high and low populations no matter how small you make the zones as some areas will be under hunted due to private property.

South of 64 is marginal habitat and not really managed for a quality hunt or numbers. It's season was created to provide an opportunity at those bears. With the exception of the Clark County Forest and the Mead there is not much for public land for the large numbers of bait sitters that get tags. So it's crowded public or small tracts of private and hope that no one within a mile or more is baiting also.

Leave as is.

From: Steve White
08-Feb-16
Too many issues with theses theories. More zones, or subzones. Would be a management nightmare. Would require more man power, and money. Where would this come from. Major increase in license fees would be a start. Bet that goes over like a fart in church.

People wanted more tags so the could hunt bear. Had no thought on the harvest part of it. Now got the cant, but find you cant eat it. That surely is irony isnt it.

Now you got a population of bears in an area with little to no public land. So what do most people end up doing. Crowd the public, and whine about the pressure.

Well there is a simple solution to this. It's called WORK!! Should always be scouting regardless. In those areas that's what I would do. Scout to identify the best, and most likely bear habitat. NO, this dont mean trespassing!!! Driving around looking for tracks, and sign on public roads. Looking at topo, and aerial maps. Talking to the DNR, and foresters to find areas with the most nuisance complaints. Then once you have found these higher population areas. Put your hat in hand, and start door knocking. Yes, going to get some rejection. But you will find a few willing to let you in. Especially those farmers getting a lot of crop damage.

Truth is many are not going to do the work. Just took a few minutes to look at Clark county. Literally only a few minutes to see where the MFL lands, and small pockets of public land are. Many of these spots will be overlooked. As people flock to the larger well know public lands. Can see several larger pieces of private I would look at by aerial. Than by vehicle. Then the door knocking starts.

I am always scouting. Never stop year round. Surely over 100 days in the field since last season ended already. With millions of acres of public around me. I dont need private lands. Still I have added at least 1500 acres to the list of lands I can hunt. Only through scouting, and door knocking. Its a lot of work that never stops. It is what must be done to be successful!

From: Jeff in MN
09-Feb-16
Not sure why more zones would be a management nightmare or cost more in terms of money or people.

Minnesota has 11 zones north of St Cloud plus the no quota area and I have not heard of any complaints about it costing too much or there being too many units. It helps to balance out the pressure and nuisance complaints. Permits in these units vary from 50 to 900 and unlimited.

Heck I have started baits in the SE Minnesota part of the no quota area on years I did not have a quota tag and knew of bear sightings. But the occasional bear down there are on the move and do not hang around even if they happen to find the bait.

From: Steve White
09-Feb-16
We are talking about the WDNR right?

From: Jeff in MN
09-Feb-16
Yes, we are talking Wisconsin and I was responding to the first line of your previous post. Wisconsin has 4 zones for the whole state and I was making a point that I doubt creating more zones to manage the Wisconsin bear hunt better would cost much if any more. Comparing that to Minnesota that has 11 northern zones plus the no quota area and doesn't seem to cost Minnesota any more to run 3 times as many zones as Wisconsin has. Or at least I have never heard any complaints that it is costing the Minnesota DNR too much to manage 12 zones.

From: Steve White
10-Feb-16
Well you know they will want more money and personal to manage more zones. Might even have to do another study to decide how to break the zones. 1 to run the shovel 2 to supervise!

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