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Chris Lawrence's latest article regarding Commissioner Wilson's opposition of the topic of lowering the buck limit sure seems to have stirred up the natives. The fact checking in the replies to the article sure seem to paint things in a different light. Follow the link and enjoy the debate.
All about money.Who do these commissioners represent?Why not take a vote on the matter? How are these commissioners selected ? maybe we need some new commissioners IT is true the state would lose money however, there are ways to make up that loss. A crossbow tag is one way.
This is disgraceful. I was at the meeting and still can't believe that Commissioner Wilson yelled "You're time is up!" at a member of the public who quietly and respectfully held his hand up to respond to the false claims that Wilson was making. He's lost all credibility in my book.
So by looking at the many many comments and facts at the bottom of the artical.. WV is the only state in our region that kills more bucks then does?
Then when his info was fact checked, it was all garbage.
Sometime, they have to take the regional meetings and commissions seriously. I heard one commissioner said they were just something requires by law that they have to do. Can't just whistle through a meeting.
This state is losing money at every turn. And the money gained or lost from sell a few buck tags is not going to make or break anything that isnt already going by the wayside. What good is a public meeting if you dont or wont listen to what public has to say. I say it is mostly for show, that is why this guy seems to get so upset when you speak you mine. Where is gobbler and what does he have to say about this subject.Very strange he just vanished.
Commissioner Milne whistling through the entire meeting might have been more bizarre than commissioner Wilson's outburst of fictional data, self promoting hero lecture, and scolding of one particular person.
Mr Wilson lives in a bowhunting only area so views might be different then yours. Milines' head is so far up his arse his views is definitely his own!
Mr Wilson lives in a bowhunting only area so views might be different then yours. Milines' head is so far up his arse his views is definitely his own!
Maybe Wilson would like 3 buck limit in his county. Then they could get a little more money.
Especially since nobody kills three bucks and that is the reason the OTHER 51 counties can't have management.
If 3 buck limit has little effect? Then why have a one buck limit in a state WMA ? ?.
I just dont buy that junk that lowering buck limit from 3 down to 2 would not have an effect on the buck age and antler size. I spend to much time hunting a running trail cameras to tell me that nonsense. the one buck limit sure has worked in McClintic WMA.
I'm sure members of the LL club will be along shortly to explain the answers to you.
Maybe opening the bow hunting only counties to a three buck limit with rifle season would be the missing piece of the dnr's financial puzzle? Remember, it's up to individual landowners to manage their land. Lol
I'm just joking.mDontnwant any garbage like rumors of a four buck limit attached to Sunday hunting legislation.
Doesnt surprise me one bit BEWARE of going against Mr Wilson the internet police will be on your tail. I am serious about that They are never going to let it happen So I will continue to manage my deer the way I want to and the he$$ with their policies like I have been doing for years I shoot one buck with my bow about every other year and a few does no rifle hunting and no does killed after Nov 1st works in my area since they have slaughtered the does during their month long rifle season
Wilson's only interested in protecting Southern WV's monopoly on trophy buck hunting in WV.
There was much about that article and especially the audio clip that left me amazed. However, Kenny's quote near the end says it all, "If you are going to say something, just be upfront about it." smh
Hoppies56, Commissioners are political appointees appointed by the governor. This is not surprising.
I'm not getting into the personal remarks or actions by anyone in that meeting--I wasn't there.
I've been in favor a one buck limit for years and most everyone who visits this forum knows that. However, I would say this and ask that you consider it when framing your dialog/debate. Commissioner Wilson mentioned the "current budget crisis." I fear a lot of folks don't or can't appreciate the dyer financial problems that face this nation and especially this state in the foreseeable future. The Presidents war on fossil fuel thru the EPA has literally robbed this state of untold millions of dollars in revenues and thousands of families of their livelihoods. These budget cuts are real and must be addressed. In the coming years, no one is going to like what must be done.
Many seem to want use the term, "it's all about the money" as a negative. That ship has sailed and you can bet it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, especially NOW. Unfortunately, in this particular economy--rightly so.
Thanks David, listening to audio clip Wilson not once did he say anything about what wv hunters would like to see done. He did speak of farming community which doesnt surprise me. So if only 1,241 bucks where killed with third tag why would that have any effect on farming if it does not effect overall size of and age of buck deer. I guess i just dont understand the biological stand point of managing a deer herd. However i do understand that money talks.
I will agreed our state is bad financial shape. However a few buck tags is not going to make or break anything.
According to Commissioner Wilson the sale of the third buck tag
(alone) accounted for $236,000.00 in revenue. That's
not insignificant.
If the one buck limit was not passed in the last 6-8 years (While the oil, gas and coal was booming and the state had surplus money) then there is little chance of it happening now or in the near future.
I wish they could just manage the herd for the good of the herd and not the good of the budget.
I guess we will just have to continue our private land deer management system.
If more people would start managing their own micro herds then the less of an impact the state set rules would have on our head.
The state already knows this but refuses to acknowledge it.
Yes Rutbuster I to will continue to manage my own hunting area, as many hunters are doing now I really think that is a lot of the reason we have seen a increase in age of bucks that are killed because more people are doing this and are more selective, by letting a young buck walk. Just wish DNR would help by having a 2 buck limit.
The estimated revenue loss is based solely on the impact of lowering the limit on R sales in 1995. The assumption is that there will be the same decline in sales and of course the R tag costs twice as much now. I would guess that with the decline in R sales that has occurred already, we are probably getting down to the folks that buy them just to support the DNR. There is also no analysis of the impact on long term license sales which would probably increase based on what we've seen with other states that have done this. R stamp sales are declining on their own and have been for more than a decade.
Since 2003 license sales are down 16 percent in wv. Resident tags are down 22%, nonresident tags are down 30%, and license revenue is down 11%, while we gained population as a state.
Meanwhile Kentucky nonresident tags are up 55% since 2003. 520% in Ohio, 42% in Indiana, and 25% in Pennsylvania.
License revenues since 2003 are up 28% in Kentucky, 38% in Ohio, 14% in Maryland, 233% in Virginia, and down 8% in Pennsylvania.
Down 60,000 buck gun tags since 2003. Down 10,000 bow tags since 2003.
If Kenny Wilson is concerned, he should have taken action over those concerns years ago.
Well if only 1.8% killed a 3rd buck then do we reall need to reduce it? I think if it was reduced to one buck it might make a difference but if those facts are correct then maybe we should go with the money. We all know it won't get reduced anyway. I've been saying that for years. Don get me wrong I'd like to see it reduced or at ,east do what Ohio does to produce those big bucks. Maybe there is more to it than just the number of bucks killed.
Don't numbers just suck for those that make baseless political claims.
Disbursements to the WVDNR from Pittman Robertson Funds have surged. Increased $2.42 Million in 2014 and increased again by over $600,000 in 2015.
There are things that the commission can address to increase revenue...if that was truly a concern.
Don't numbers just suck for those that make baseless political claims.
Disbursements to the WVDNR from Pittman Robertson Funds have surged. Increased $2.42 Million in 2014 and increased again by over $600,000 in 2015.
There are things that the commission can address to increase revenue...if that was truly a concern.
So was his info correct or lies? Which is it? If his info was correct then I think we should allow 4 or 5 bucks. We won't kill many more bucks and we well make more money. If what Mr. Wilson got up and told the people at the meeting was a lie then uh oh.
Wow this is getting weird. I smell a rat.
Another good point hoppie. I'm just a dumb ole boy but if we reduce the buck kill then less bucks will be killed. Why can't we have a 3 buck limit in the WMA's It will bring in more money and won't result in more bucks being killed. What's not to like?
Good to have ya back coop. :)
Does the revenue generated by the DNR stay with the DNR or do other state agencies use it when times are tough? And does the DNR get money from other agencies when the DNR needs it. Now with the economy being down in the state and the loss of revenue I can see where Jimmy is coming from. And if what Sunday is telling us is true then we are the only state around losing hunters and money. Something to think about.
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I've seen Sundaywv post two places that WV has gained in population.
That is contradictory to this article in the WV Gazette. Here's the headline: Thursday, March 26, 2015 W.Va. losing population faster than any other state
Just say'n.
Both the article and Sundaynwv's number are correct Little Bear. From 2000 to 2014 the population in WV increased by 2.3%. License sales declined drastically over that same period. Now on top of already lagging license sales we are facing a population loss due to coal industry decline. This is what the article you post is talking about. Dropping license sales was a problem before the recent population decline. Wake Up!
Well i guess it depends on what time period you look at. I know where I live its growing . I don't know anything about license sales but I do know less people are hunting where I hunt. I see that in the field. I guess each side has their own figures to look at.
Little BEAR,
LOOK AT THE US CENSUS for WV. Look at 2000 and the estimated 2014. The info I used is out there.
Look at us fish n wildlife for license numbers. Everything I have posted is very transparent.