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As far as the elk slaughter picture goes. I have never heard of wolfs lining up their kills to show them off like that. :-) But seriously why not just leave them out where the wolfs killed them, they might have come back to eat them instead of killing more.

Really, how many are going into the deer yards to find numbers of fresh kills? How many even know where the yards are? Not all the many!!

How many deer are really going to the yards. So thrill kills will be harder to locate outside the yards in the big woods. Not been really enough snow to push deer into the yards. Oh wait, your talking about the yards of people baiting right? This is the first year in I dont know how many no baiting in a only a few of the more wolf populated counties. Even then it has not completely stopped. Only seen the deer sparsely begin to return to more natural feeding this year. Because people are still feeding. So the deer are moving to those areas more so than any yards. I have only seen the deer using one yard I know of this winter. Even then they were traveling to nearby houses. Very few to no wolves coming into that area. So would not find any kills.

I spend a hell of a lot of time in the woods all winter. Logged just over 100 days with the dogs in the woods this winter. However, I try to stay as far away from the wolves as possible. Dont have time to go following them around looking for kill sites. Perhaps you do. If so, will be happy to point you in the right direction. Hell, I'll even buy you a few boxes of bullets. For safety reasons of course.

Even as much as I try to avoid the wolves. Dogs have been followed 3 times. With one extremely lucky I was not killed altercation. Last Saturday had a dog followed out by 3. Had waited for her. Not went to cut her off. I doubt she would have made it out alive. They were real close!!

There are far to many out there. The DNR will not tell us anything close to an accurate number. Information is being withheld form the public on what they do know. Show me a recent pack list. You will not be able to do so!! They dont want the public to know so misconceptions are not made. DNR words not mine!! They will deny and discount as much as possible the carnivore track program is a joke. Argued with the head a couple of times. Flat told me know way wolves in those areas. Because packs dont overlap. They dont have territoires less than 40-50sq miles. Yet, wont accept my findings, or come out with me. Then flat lie when being talked to. Only through cohersion was I even able to get a loose admittance on a pack the does not exist. Only 3 and we thingk they are hybrds. Well in that spot of the Stone Lake pack. I had 2 packs within 1/2 mile of me at same time!! One pack of 4 east got within 300yds then followed deer to the SE. Second pack of 6 came from the north. Hit road 1/2 mile away worked road west for over 2 miles going across another road to the west. Also a pack of 3 6 miles to the NE that morning. That came to a road from the east. Walked it for over a mile then went NE. But none of these exist.

Ohhh, and here is the big shocker. No packs south of the escanaba lk pack until you get to the casian pack, or the coheresed stone lake pack. BUT, there is the St Germain pack which is along 70 east of St Germain.

WHAT? Wait a second. You told me packs WILL NOT coexist and will have a minimum of 40-50 Sq mile ranges. Does this not put the Rock Lake, Escanaba Lake, Pincherry Lake, and St Germain packs. All in overlapping territories? What about the Casian, stone lake and I forget other Rhinelander pack. Same thing!!

I got another pack of 3 right behind my house. ANother pack of 5 about 5 miles SE. All which do not exist.

Due to some paperwork snafu my name got left off the tracker list. How convenient! But, a paid tracker in my block. That I have not seen out 1 single time. Nor have I seen anyone in the block to the north. If they are out there why is this??

Real easy for people to sit in the southern part of the state. Claim there is no problem, or that we need them. But many of these same folks will not set foot in these big woods. I have and will continuing to call these people out. Put on your big girl panties, and lets hit the woods. NOBODY EVER COMES!!! Why, are you scared?

Don't worry they will continue to move south. Then my problem will be yours. Promise, I wont laugh at you, too hard!!

The reintroduction of wolves was the worst thing that ever occurred to the far north,,,,,, oh yes that never happened...... they just happen to multiply faster from 1995 to 2005, than they ever did since the 70's,,,,, must have been some new super food they were on........

want to see wolf kills, talk to they guy who just finished taking out my popple, he is a cutter, for hire, he could tell you a few things.......

I do not hate wild things, in wild country, just hate the knowledge, that the growing of the wolf packs, was going to go off, without control, and when the control came, barely enough was allowed.......

the economic impact has been huge, and I hear it all the time from business people, come deer season, which is now a wash out for many, who use to depend or look forward to that cash cow coming

Really Steve? I live in a county infested with wolves. Im well aware of there effect. Its obvious they kill deer. My question relates to this so called "thrill killing". Again why no pictures? Who the hell doesnt have a cell phone camera with them all the time? Im not happy about the wolf situation either with no management. But Im calling bullshit on "mass thrill killings" until someone proves it by documenting it. To many angry people with to many cameras to not have all kinds of proof.

I dont have the extra time or money to go playing around in their core areas. If I am not hunting or training. Then I am working on things for the next hunt. When I am out cutting tracks on roads and trails. This is not where you are going to find many kills. With your mentality. This would me wolves dont eat at all. In fact this winter I have not found a kill of a wolf, coyote, fisher, bird. The only kill I found all winter was where a bobcat buried what was left of a kill. So does this mean none of these critters are eating anything?

You sound like the DNR wolf people. Well, your tape measure doe not have MM on it. So we cant confirm that is a wolf track. WTF.

There have been numerous documented multiple depredations in this state. Ohhhh, but that's livestock so it dont count right.

Now how many areas have the deer concentrated and cornered enough. Mostly by deep snow. For it to be seen with any regularity? How many of these places are people even going back into during the winter months?

You know how many human tracks I cut more than 100yds from any trail or road here in the winter. Dont need fingers to count them.

When was the last time you were 2 miles deep in a swamp in the winter. Ass deep in the snow? Betting that dont happen much does it.

I also bet no matter what. You will cite living in the county with the highest wolf population in the state. Which I will call BS. Hide behind a handle. What makes you think I'll believe where you live.

I avoid the wolf areas. So I dont get dogs killed. Got a feeling you dont get out much in them either.

But I know. The wolves in WI. Are completely different than wolves anywhere else in the country. They have a whole separate set of rules they live by.

Yep, sound just like another wolf humper!

Once again, wolves eat meat and lots of it. They have certainly had an effect on deer hunting in the north. Wolf numbers need to be controlled for sure. Do we have an argument there?

Im questioning mass thrill killing? A dead deer is a dead deer no matter when they kill it. Same effect if they kill them one at a time year round, or dozens at a time. Im asking if anyone has proof that they routinely mass kill without the need for food? If you know of documentation please share. Im interested. Save the tavern talk for someone else.

I converted to deer by using 130# deer times the same meat to body ratio they used for elk .63 giving 82# of meat per average deer. Then divided that into the 769# of elk meat that a wolf 'eats' per month to get 9.4 deer killed by one wolf each month. I know to some degree I am guessing on the average weight of a deer in wolf territory of Wisconsin and the assumption that the body to meat ratio is the same as elk. Also implied assumption that the elk/deer ratio on a wolf's diet compared to other prey is similar in both states.

Conclusion, each wolf kills 112 deer each year. Assume there are 1000 wolf in Wisconsin and that is 112,000 deer out of the herd every year. That is assuming the wolfs are not eating elk in the elk range of Wisconsin.

So does anyone think that a wolf actually eats 25# of meat each day much less 25# of venison each day? The difference between that 25# and what they actually eat is probably mostly the thrill kill.

I know the area Steve is talking about, and I doubt people could comprehend all the wolves in that area...

The reason, I have no idea, but Steve is in a golden triangle of wolves, with the peak, just north of watersmeet......

a government trapper told me, its because it is a perfect blend of forest and swamp and lakes etc, and the wolves love this particular area,,,,,,,,

This are is tough to even consistently locate wolves at times. Due to the seasonal roads, private property, etc. In many cases just now way to get into these areas except on foot. Or breaking the law.

One area just to east of me. Snipe lake, Ewald lake, etc game trails. Large area with little access. Mentioned the Stone lake pack to my south. That area is huge. At minimum 5 miles by 3 miles with no access in winter. Very little in summer really. Escanaba lake area also huge. Many large areas that prevent documentation of anythhing. Foot travel in winter is no picnic.

For as many as there in this area. It's much worse out west. Douglas and surrounding counties are about the worst there are. Travel in winter is a lot better than what it is here. Here I need a snowmobile in most cases to hunt in winter. Most of my friends out that way have no use for them. Far more roaded up.

Plenty of documentation of thrill kills out west. Just not going to see it in the same way here. Perhaps 20yrs ago you would. But now, your are not going to see large herds of deer together to facilate that. I dont recall when the last time I seen 10 deer in a group here. 4-5 normally at best. Maybe a few more in baited areas next to town. Wolves attack a herd of 10. They get 1 maybe 2 while the rest scatter. Not the same as hitting a herd of 20-50 elk in deep snow. Where they can take a larger number. Access, and the ability to see much further to find this stuff. Is completely different. How many places other than lakes in Northern WI are open areas. You can spot and stalk game? Cover is far more dense to be able to see things. Herd sizes are smaller. So it is obvious you will not see the scale of things here as out west. Dont see the huge packs of wolves either.

Also got to keep in mind. Things are wanted to be kept secret. Swept under the table. Blame passed to anything else possible. Farmer has 3 cows killed and 3 injured. Anyway to pass the blame is done. Recent attack in Merrill is a perfect example. Packs of coyotes killing, really. Big packs of coyotes? Does that not seem a bit of stretch? Can't say I have ever seen more than 3-4 adult yotes together. That is normally only in breeding season. Sure for the first few months or so after pups are born. Will see a family group together. But they quickly disperse. Coyotes are mostly loners. Super packs of yotes is a huge stretch on things.

If people really knew what was out there. Even I might be shocked at the true number of wolves we really have. Even with the numbers that are forced down our throats in the midwest. Our populations are higher than some Canadian provinces. Manitoba is said to have 4000 wolves. How many does MN have? Now compare the wolf territories of WI, MN, and the UP. To that of Canadian provinces. Things get a bit unnerving!

I did not find any sign of anything that had been killed. So all predators in the area are vegan.

I did not find any sheds. So there are no bucks in the area.

I found loads of porky sign. So there are no fishers in the area.

Just a few of my observations deep in the bush.

Down south here the biggest pack I have seen, got on trail camera video is 5 yotes together. Down to 2 now if you get my drift.

I am from Idaho originally with many relatives in Montana and Idaho still. I hunt those states near every year. I can tell you wolves are shot on sight by the population at large and actively hunted. In some places trapped. Now that the Feds have allowed them to populate as they have this fact has made little difference. We can't seem to put a dent in the wolf population while deer, elk, moose and in a couple places sheep populations have been decimated.

I know of one case in a western district in Montana and in Idaho where state officials are quietly shooting packs from the air, in vain attempts to lower the wolf numbers.

We need the Feds to get out of the way and allow the states to manage this predator as the state sees fit. In the numbers wolves are found now they are nothing but a parasite.

Every year that passes is making it harder to ever get this parasite under control.

Wisconsin RMEF Members,

URGE YOUR SENATORS TO PASS THE SHARE ACT The stakes have never been higher for hunters in Wisconsin and other states where gray wolves have surpassed population objectives. We simply must put predator management in the hands of the states. RMEF will continue to push for the necessary legislative and legal changes to make that happen.

The House of Representatives recently passed a critically important bill to hunters—the Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreation Enhancement (SHARE) Act. It includes language that reinstates the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decision to delist the gray wolf in the Western Great Lakes and Wyoming from the Endangered Species Act, and returns the authority to manage wolves to individual states.

That bill is now in the hands of the Senate. We hoped the Senate would move the SHARE Act when it recently debated the energy bill. Unfortunately, holds on the energy bill by Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) prevent it or any other important bills that could be attached to it from advancing.

RMEF continues to work with Senators from both sides of the aisle to find an opportunity to pass the SHARE Act. I encourage every RMEF member to contact Senators and urge them to work together as a body to pass the bill so it can be forwarded to President Obama’s desk. Thank you for your prompt attention to this worthy legislation.

M. David Allen RMEF President & CEO

Know who and what you are voting for. So few do.

Really. ALL Federal land. NOBODY has said that. I am all for selling state and federal lands that do not make sense for the state or fed to own. At the same time I am all for maintaining and buying more land that DOES make sense for them to own. This state alone pays millions of dollars every year to maintain land and a large percentile does not make any sense for them to own. Not to mention the lost tax revenue. You're painting a picture based purely on fantasy. 21 trillion in debt in this nation, it's time to wake up and get smart.

"Trumps kid Eric is a big time hunter. He wins and wolves will get hammered."

Same if Ted Cruz wins and maybe more so. Likely the same if it were Kasich. If either socialist gets in it will be more big power leftist government. We all will continue to lose, but the wolves "rights" will prosper.

If that is the case. Then why every time there is a kill. Is the blame always tired to be pointed at something else. If there is nothing to point the blame at other than the wolf. It becomes there is not enough evidence to confirm wolf involvement.

Look at the Aniwa killings. First it's coyotes. Now it's disease. But the evidence of wolves is clearly there. Tests now show these animals had disease. But, was the the cause of all them suddenly falling over dead. If they were sick enough for that. Would the owner not have seen some signs of it. By all textbook information. What are the first game animals to be taken by predators? The old, sick, and wounded. So if they did have an illness. Would they not be the first to be taken. But in this case we are supposed to believe that wolves were only passing through, or were merely scavenging the carcasses. YEP!

Another perfect example that happens often. Few years ago. On Hwy G outside Eagle River. Owner watched dog get snatched up by a wolf. Chased after it resulting in the wolf dropping the dog. Investigation finally came after a snowfall. States stance not enough evidence to confirm a wolf attack. NO KIDDING! Local vet stepped up and verified it. State then accepted it a wolf attack.

Now IF everything they tell us is true. IF they never hide anything. Then why is there no published information. On the current wolf packs in the state. Then why is there no published status reports of the population since 2012. They wouldn't be hiding or covering things up would they?

I have spent numerous hours combing through every document published on the WDNR and USDA websites. Before even posting this. Spent over an hour again looking. Still cannot find anything current other than old data with new dates on 1 page documents. Why is this.

Why when given information on wolf locations. Is this information tossed aside, ignored, or discounted. That information might show more wolves then they want the numbers to show. Perish the thought.

You go ahead and believe the WDNR. I will trust my own educated eyes!!

WTF!! When did they get helicopters? So they could travel miles without crossing roads to get to the different area. How are they able to be in different locations at the same time? How can there be different numbers of them in these locations as well? Stone lake pic is perfect example. 2 packs in the same time period I was there in the woods. No possible way for the same animals to be in 2 places at once. Even if they moved at light speed. Would still have to leave tracks indicating the direction of travel. None of which was present. Is something being hidden or covered up here?

They say 800-1000 wolves in the state but come rifle season people see tracks everywhere. Put 800-1000 deer, coyotes or cats spread over the same range and you do not see a 10th of the tracks.

Either a wolf puts on 100's of miles per day (which I doubt) or there are way more than being let to believe.

Easier said than done trying not to cross paths with wolves. Bird hunting I will go without seeing wolf sign for a month then they show up for a week then leave again.

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I will not put dogs out where I know there are wolves present!!

YOU DO NOT ALWAYS NO THERE ARE WOLVES IN AN AREA. Even as adamant That I am in checking for tracks on all surrounding sides. Which takes hours of checking roads and trails. Still are never 100% sure.

Perhaps you are saying nobody in the state of WI should own any dogs if taken outdoors. Or use them in anyway for hunting purposes in the state of WI.

Because you know wolves are pretty much everywhere now! Confirmed sightings in just about every part of this state.

Do you know that the first dog has offically been killed this year. It was not in some remote part of northern WI. Miles from any road or town. This was south of marshfield maybe 15 miles. West of WI Rapids maybe 25 miles.

Then if you think for a second $2500 is compensation for a trained hunting dog. You might need to put the crack pipe down. These dogs have values in the 10's of thousands. $2500 most of the time wont get you 2 shorthair pups. Then the cost of training them. Would get you a few hound pups. Then again comes the cost of training. I got a litter of 4 pups here right now. I got about 2k invested in. Not put one paw in the woods yet for training. They can take that $2500 and stick it!

It's not ironic. It's closer to brain dead stupid. To think the WDNR is wrong deer numbers, and management. Yet, believe what you are told about wolves. Must be like feeling the bern!

comment from some guys in the lower, was they would not run their bear dogs anymore, up there, just not worth it......

you just never know anymore, my lab for grouse is a close working dog, but you never know.......

wolves will be something to deal with, for a long long time, and I can understand how bear hunters, get anxiety, over the issue,,,,,,

"Do you know that the first dog has offically been killed this year. It was not in some remote part of northern WI. Miles from any road or town. This was south of marshfield maybe 15 miles. West of WI Rapids maybe 25 miles."

That puzzled me because I did not catch on to what the 'this year' part meant. At first I thought it meant the first one ever killed occurred this year and I knew Steve knew better than that. Took me a while to realize you meant first dog killed in 2016.

Does anyone have any idea how many dogs have been killed by wolfs in say the last 20 years or so?

I don't think anyone believes the DNR on deer numbers, wolf numbers, or for that matter much of anything.

In all states we need to be proactive, the wolf numbers need to be heavily controlled.

It's a known fact that there is a pack just east of Clintonville, many sightings, but no depredation on cows or cattle yet. Where did you see the tracks?

The reason the turkey's didn't get out of the roost is because it was just a tad too cold! LOL

Guess it's a good thing the DNR imported more food for them. Nice of them to spend our license, and tax money to keep them fed!

Don't be surprised for this to happen in Wisconsin too as I doubt this legislator came up with this without help.