1st Wis Moose of the 2016 season taken
Wisconsin
This should go over real big! Only when your a select protected cuddle subclass of humans can you get away with this crap. What's that Orwellian rule? Rule 3. Were all equal. { except some are more equal than the rest}
Send Rambo to the Flambeau !
Wow, just shows how poorly the tribes are managed when they don't even list moose as protected in their on reservation hunting regulations. I wonder if any of the other tribes protect moose.
I thought their musky spearing contest was bad but this is even worse.
I saw some additional info on this and it doesn't appear that any of the Chippewa tribes have moose listed.
True stewards of mother Earth, and all her bounty...sad.
True stewards of mother Earth, and all her bounty...sad.
I snooped around on the tribal web site. Could not find any tribal hunting regulations. They do have a tribal warden, they do boast about all the walleye and musky they have released over the years. They have a list of people that have been banished from the reservation, with pictures. Also a list of job openings.
Sure they boast about the number of walleye and musky they release but do they say where the money to run those programs come from?
Exactly. The county just built a blacktop paved walking/biking path from Hayward to the casino. Just a guess but I am thinking 4 miles. Paid for by a federal grant. Any predictions of how much use it will get? I just do not see many people walking or biking to the casino.
The meat went to the Elders in the community. They have rules they live by. We have rules we live by. If no laws were broken who are we to squaller about it?
Different rules for different people. No racism there. Just keep ignoring the obvious, it is what got us to this low point in this countries history.
They need that Moose to feed their family. I guess the 34,000+ Walleyes they spear EVERY YEAR is not enough.
Races living by different rules is the definition of racism. Reservations are the same as South Africa's apartheid system. Whole reservation system should be abolished as all racism. We should all live by same rules and laws
How many does that leave now in the state, about two??
We live by laws written on paper the same way they do. Do I like it that theirs are more liberal? No is the answer to that. But if no laws are broken then so be it. The word Racism is thrown around like a dollar bill on Friday night.
Is it racism that I can't hunt the wilderness areas of the west without a guide or resident hunter companion? Is it racism that I have to pay a higher license fee to hunt those animals because I live in a different part of the country?
We non Indian consume far more of the resources than they ever will. Grow up already and set your bias aside.
I thought by now ole Zinger would have solved the case. Given us the name of the shooter, and the circumstances surrounding the case. Oh wait he's preoccupied with RC and certain Bowsiters utility bills.
Oh sure, because the unfettered killing of wildlife worked out so well the last time it was done. Good grief. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Anyone able to find the kid's facebook page?
"We non Indian consume far more of the resources than they ever will. Grow up already and set your bias aside."
Ugh, we non-Indian are a much larger percent of the population. I'd expect we consume more. Grow up and allow your common sense to work. My bias comes into play anytime there are different rules for different people.
"Is it racism that I can't hunt the wilderness areas of the west without a guide or resident hunter companion?" Nope, because neither can a black, hispanic, latino, asian, or any other white.
"Is it racism that I have to pay a higher license fee to hunt those animals because I live in a different part of the country?" Nope, because every other black, hispanic, latino, asian, or white person has to.
Any other dumb questions?
"If it were killed by a semi or car, its would still be just a dead moose."
Thats deep....
Bow_Tech and DropTine obviously haven't dealt with these issues first hand or their opinions would be much different. I'll leave it all at that.
A lot of off the cuff remarks here.
What you forget or may not know is that they are living in their Sovereign Nation, which happens to be in Wisconsin. There are more Indian Reservations in Wisconsin than in any other state east of the Mississippi. This land was given to the tribes for them to manage as they see fit. They work along with the State and Federal governments.
Remember there are several tribes in Wisconsin, and they all have their own separate treaties. How come we never hear about hunting and fishing issues with the Onieda, Stockbridge-Munsee or the Potowatami??
They have their own set of laws, which accompany our set of laws. even though they may be different than our laws, we don't need to agree with them, just live with them. It also doesn't mean the law are right.
In my opinion, the LDF does a lot of things to try and get the rest of us all riled up. Common sense tells me that they were well aware of the moose being in the area and they looked into the laws on killing it and did so just to get us all "up in arms".
I have seen it with the spearing in the ceded territory, lake access at boat landings on lakes within the reservation and in business dealings.
Please explain what's there to deal with? So many yell we need to rewrite the treaties or eliminate them entirely. Should we do the same with our constitution? After all, our fore fathers could never anticipated the world we live in today. Or do we pick and choose only what doesn't apply to the whites?
Shooting a female moose at 1:00 AM in July is wrong on all counts Treaty or no Treaty. As to the constitution it is being dismantled by Liberal Progressives and the Supremes before your very eyes. It seems you can't see the forest through the trees.
Droptine, that you continue to try and make it a racist issue only proves your ignorance. Color has nothing to do with it, people living in the same country but under different laws has everything to do with it. Do they enjoy any privileges under the Constitution?
I'm far from racist. It's you guys making it them/us. Read Mikes post very slowly so you comprehend it. We came to their country and settled. Not the other way around.
I'm still waiting to hear what there is to deal with. Just a side note. My mother in law is part Native as well as my wife so be careful how you answer and she can't wait to read the replies.
"We came to their country and settled." Your argument is invalid as you begin with the wrong premise. We took it from them. Has happened all over the world since man appeared on earth. Our forefathers were simply too weak to just take it and so they offered reparations to ease their guilt. However, that does not change my opinion that all people in this country should live under the same set of laws, regardless their color or ethnicity.
I could care less who reads this or what their heritage is. One set of rules for all.
I was going to suggest that DT was too close to the subject if he didn't see it objectively like most will. With his last post it's obvious why he sees things like he does.
Thanks for clarification DT.
The fact that many find the act of shooting a female moose at 1:00 AM in July in WI repulsive/sick and disgusting. You on the other hand think its no big deal.
Because of that we are racist? Forgive me but I have no problems where I am on this side of the issue. If that makes me a racist than count me in as a card carrying member.
DT maybe start your own MLDM Group
"Moose Lives Don't Matter"
Yes I see a bunch of fools on a web forum looking like idiots. What are you going to change voicing opinion here?
I do know that as Mike pointed out the LDF band causes most if not all the issues.
I simply understand after living in the ceded territory that there is nothing to be done and they will do what ever jerks your chain to get a dig in.
I have far greater worries than what the natives are doing.
I simply understand after living in the ceded territory that there is nothing to be done and they will do what ever jerks your chain to get a dig in.
I have far greater worries than what the natives are doing.
I see no racism in DT's post. I do see racism in wanting to abolish the reservations and making everyone live under the same rules.
Sounds like "One World Order" to me.
Yes, we are entitled to our opinions under our God given right to speak. But who are we to tell someone from a different nation how to live.
Was the killing ethical? Not in my eye's, but there is nothing I, nor anyone else on this forum can do, unless you are part of their system to change the law.
The tribe seems to be handling it on their own.
Drop Tine are your wife and mother in law Ojibwa?
My kids want their land back.
I'm hoping that they'll let me fish and hunt.
"My mother in law is part Native as well as my wife so be careful how you answer and she can't wait to read the replies."
What the hell does that have to do with anything? There are pieces of trash in every nationality. I'm sure your MIL and wife are great people. However the idiots that shot this moose just because they can, are not.
Reading the article is does not sound like the tribe as a whole agreed with this person shooting the cow. Sounds like they are going to make tribal rules putting moose off limits. To late now but at least it is a step.
I posted pics of the two young bull moose close to my property up north. Had a ton of traffic after that in that area. No I just keep the pictures and sightings to myself.
I just hope she did not have a calf or there are two dead moose now.
Mike F, you seem to be confusing a world order with a country. It is racist as can be. Same rules for all in the USA, regardless color or ethnicity. If anyone who lives within the boundaries of this country want to be treated differently because of their ethnicity and have their own sovereign nation, they are the racists. If they are their own country, why the hell does another country have to subsidize them?
Eloquent Bowtech, but you completely ignore that one "nation" lives within another and benefits from it. You are correct, I don't like it. Not one tiny bit. You also ignore the fact that even if there are treaties, they can still be racist. Fear not, you can sleep well tonight, knowing you fought the good fight for moral decency, regardless the indecency of it.
On another note, tell me how many of those currently living on the reservations actually had land taken from them? If they were newborns in 1842 they would now be 174 years old. Very doubtful any of them currently there had anything taken from them by any of us.
Glad the tribal board addressed this as quickly as they did. I hope they wrap this up by dealing out some sort of punishment or public criticism for the killing of this cow moose. (This tribe does 'banish' people so maybe this event rises to the level where that sort of punishment is appropriate.)
I also wonder how many other threatened species are protected under our laws but not under many tribal laws. Maybe hundreds.
CaptMike-
My one world order statement was in reply to this-
"Races living by different rules is the definition of racism. Reservations are the same as South Africa's apartheid system. Whole reservation system should be abolished as all racism. We should all live by same rules and laws"
You can not abolish racism, you can make it illegal to segregate by race, religion, belief, color of hair, and so on. But to say that everyone across the world should be under the same set if laws will never work.
Just like equal payment for equal work......
As far as the LDF Nation(and other Indian Reservations) living within the boundaries of the US, that was written into their treaties long before any of us ever took a breath.
I firmly believe the treaties written have been stretched way beyond their limit in regards to what the people can and can't do. And I won't get into that any further...
I love it when people say that we took the land from the indians. Of course we did, just like they took it from other people before white man ever landed in North America. That's the way things were, and to a point still are, that doesn't make the white man or the USA bad just normal (and the same as the indians that say we stole it from them.
My suggestion is to let them have their soverign nation, we can put a wall around it and a Customs office on the one and only enterence to it. Nobody in and nobody out without a passport and duty on everything coming out.
It's time that everybody is treated equal. As long as the indians segragate themselves on the reservations and don't join the rest of society they will stay depressed economically from the rest of us.
And before you say I'm racist I have an adopted child that is a minority. I could care less what color, race, sexual orientation, etc. you are we should all be equal.
So your willing to give up nearly half of the state in the ceded territory and build a wall? Non Native that live and work there might have something different to say. WON is full of non Native violators every issue. This was one circumstance where ethics were stretched but nothing illegal was done. It has also been addressed and should be a non issue from here on. Capt. Mike you clearly have issues and Elk is borderline and teetering.
BowTech, you are regressing to something so silly it does not merit comment. Maybe Droptine will talk with you?
The current Native Americans are Asian immigrants that came across the land bridge and or by boat as recent discoveries in the Northeast U.S. indicate. There is no indication of the the Americas having any indications of being a birth place of civilization to this point.
The Highest law of the land in the U.S. is the Constitution. Comparing it to treaties is irrelevant.
Treaties with the nations in the U.S. are the same as treaties with any other foreign countries such as England, Russia etc.
The Ojibway-Chippewa in the northern 1/3 of WI have different language in their treaties than other nations. The Chippewa Nation runs into Minnesota as well as is now being argued into Northern Ontario. the clause as long as the sun rises and sun sets is in the Chippewa nation treaties for hunting, Fishing, and gathering. In exchange the U.S. got to settle in these lands with no further conflict.
The President can set aside treaties. Doubt that will happen. Could one imagine the uproar that would cause.
No other changes to the treaties will be coming unless the government comes up with some incredible offer to get the nation to set them aside. Thinking of what they now have why would they.
The laws within the reservation take precedent though federal law can take precedent depending on the crime.
Members of the nations have "dual-citizenship" the rights of the U.S. and the nation they belong to.
Just couple topics discussed.
Yes I would talk with BowTech. At least he comprehends the situation as will as Mike F does.
Don't forget to dial 1 for English. There are all kinds of unjust's that take place in the US of A. Do you smoke? Why do you get smoke breaks while I keep working. Do you Pray to Alah? Why do you get extra breaks for prayer while I have to continue working?
There is a difference between comprehending and accepting. Nope, no smoking, no praying to Allah. If Bowtech is that simple to try and make the comparisons he did, you enjoy talking to him. I am sure it will be a painful experience.
