New wildlife regs input wanted
New York
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Pat, The baiting/ feeding controversy needs to be clarified. Right now it's illegal to bait, but unless the DEC catches someone actually hunting over bait they will do nothing, because, feeding deer has been challenged and the DEC lost. There can be feeders and treestands surrounding the feeder, but if there's no one sitting there when the DEC a arrives, nothing is done. They need to make this issue crystal clear, put feed or feeders out during deer season, and if you are hunting over it or not, whomever owns or leases the land gets ticketed. After season closes, OK. Or legalize baiting state wide and level the playing field.
CWD was an isolated incindent in NY, banning winter feeding because of this is BS. Muzzle to muzzle contact with deer happens whether people feed or not. Living on Tug Hill, I am in favor of supplemental deer feeding in winter. Since the ban on feeding the Tug Hill deer herd has suffered tremendously. And recent harvest rates show this. Funny how other states are not worried about the spread of CWD through deer feeding or baiting ?
Tell me the difference between putting out a food source near a tree stand or growing a food source on the edge of your treestand.
One grows from the ground and one is placed there and can be unlimited as long as someone keeps putting it there. Shawn
Its a status thing. If you have the land and money you can bait, I mean plant food plots. But you cant have poor slobs dumping corn on his five acres though....
I rest my case. This is why we need clarification then enforcement.
I thought the coyote season WAS 12 months a year...lol....I guess they're lawyered up too, it is New York....Tom
Stupid comments by uninformed people!! Food Plots are not always put there to be "kill plots"!! Get that through your head folks. I place my plots to hold deer on my property plus help them through the winter. I also try and have the guys who plant corn on my property leave a bit standing to give the deer something to help them get through. I do hunt my food plots but more to manage the doe population. Too bad there are so many ignorant people out there, they only think of the killing side of things, not the benefits that the food plot provide the deer and a lot of other wildlife. Shawn
Trial153, I do not own a lot of property nor do I have a lot of money. It does not take much of either, just some hard work and time. Again know of what you speak before you say anything please. Thank You! Shawn
Shawn, your as insufferable on the internet as you are in person and yes we have met.
Pat you can do what you want on your own property, the same way that I can. I never asked for an apology. I also own my own land and honestly I haven't hunted it in years, for no other reason then the two or three weeks bowhunt each fall I choose to hunt in states that afford me ( in my mind) more opportunity and enjoyment in my limited time. However I do not for a minute think that when I corner four cameras around my food plot to get pictures that it's any different then a neighbor dumping a bag of corn and taking pictures over the pile. Acting all noble because of a food plot vs bait Is just hypocrisy. The rational for the illegality of baiting in NY to prevent unnecessary congration of deer in a small areas. The primary reason being to prevent commutable diseases. So when I, Yes I said I plant a 7 ac plot on land that own and it sees anywhere from 15-20 deer an evening in its doing exactly what an anti baiting law is trying to prevent? Yet I am allowed to and a neighbor can cited if he dumps 10 pounds of corn on the ground.
Deer congregating ? Deer in the NZ congregate every winter in wintering yards, it has nothing to do with food plots or baiting. Plus , winter feeding , now illegal, congregates deer, yet the DEC will not right tickets for feeding ? Quit pissing and moaning about food plots and send your comments about feeding and baiting to the DEC.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7197.html
I send comments to the DEC yearly, in fact I have form letter that I change the date on and resend it. Feeding and baiting isn't addressed because I don't feel over all its one of the more pressing issues that the DEC needs to address. The biggest regulation changes we need to see are as follows . #1) a shorter state wide regular reason that falls out of the rut. 9 days would be sufficient staring the Saturday after thanksgiving. #2) one buck tag per license holder per year to used in any season they chose. #3) DMPS that are non transferable and unit Specific. This is huge considering that right now muzzle loader and bow either sex tags can be used to harvest does in areas with no prescribed doe harvest objectives.
As for food plots, baiting or supplmrntal winter feeding I honestly don't care either way. If someone wants to do any or all of those things that's fine by me. However I don't not see the rationale for allowing one type of supplemental feeding and not the other. NY DEC concerns for not allowing these things is little absurd considering that many most states that allow the same actions and acitives have triving deer herds, and in many instances better hunting then we have.
Trial153,
Apparently you didn't visit the DEC link ? feeding and baiting is the number 1 issue the DEC a wants comments on .
Wayne, I visited the link. And quite frankly if that's their main issue that requires clarification then they have their heads up their asses. The law as stated ( I posted a link previously ) is clear as day for anyone that can read plain English. The fact that they don't currently ( maybe rightly so) enforce it doesn't make it any less clear. The fact remains that a guy that dumps a load of alfalfa in some field in Barns corners NY or plants 10 acres of the stuff in some plot in Orwell, heaven forbid dumps 100 pounds of corn ....doesn't make a spit of difference as it's all putting food out for deer on place there wasn't going to be any without intervention. So just for shits and jiggles I will write them and comment to that effect...
Funny James maybe that is why you are are so forgettable. I have no recollection of meeting you Thank goodness. I hope we get to meet again though so I can tell you how I really feel!! Some people just don't get it and you obviously are one of them, no argument there! :-) Shawn
I should also say that I guess people all over should stop planting anything, even the farmers. I know for a fact a guy up the road from where I live plants several 5-10 acre fields in corn. He harvests most but he leaves some standing some years and turns his beef cattle loose in them. Guess what he does not hunt but this congregates a lot of deer in winters with heavy snow. I guess he better stop that also. Trial, your arguments are ridiculous!! Shawn
Shawn, since reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits. Why dont ask you someone to dictate my posts to you then maybe you will understand a little better and stop making a fool of yourself. At least for the time being.
Jesus Christ, I thought I would post a helpful link ,and then someone always turns these posts into a pissing match. Trial, the law maybe as clear as day to you, but to the DEC it is not. Right now it's pretty foggy out on Tug Hill, the DEC will not, and I repeat, WILL NOT, ticket you for baiting deer unless you are caught hunting over your feeder or bait pile.
Can you winter feed or not, without the fear of being ticketed ? And if you have a dozen 500lb feeders on your property with treestands surrounding them, will that be considered baiting if you are not hunting over them when the DEC arrives ? That's all I want to know. The law is not "clear as day, "right now the DEC will not ticket either offense, described above.
No need, I understand fully what you are and what you are trying to say, which as you can see from others posts as well as mine you do not have a clue!! Why don't we set up a time and place and we can discuss it in person!! Shawn
Set up a time and place to meet? Shawn I see you haven't matured much since you dropped out of high school.
What are we still in High school ? I'm so sorry I started this thread, won't do it again.
James, I like your 3 changes that you propose and I agree that if that baiting is the number one concern on the DECs mind right now, they need to step back and think more. Im not saying it shouldnt be addressed, but I still think the structure of our season is off and more of a concern (atleast in southern zone). I would love to see a shorter gun season that starts somewhere around Dec 1st in the Southern Zone. I'd settle for 1 buck tag as well, but selfishly this one would be more difficult for me! For you guys that voice your comments to the DEC, who do you write to (the regional biologists?) and do you get good feedback? Anybody else agree or disagree with a shortened gun season and 1 buck tag?
Yes. Abbreviated season, 1 buck. Don't feel bad, squash, bowhunters, especially are MANS-MEN. thats how we talk when things get heated. Nothing will come of it. Mad Dog
Jersey allows baiting. Mad Dog