New tagging requirements this fall
Wisconsin
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That's good.
Never understood why they didn't have the old tag notching on the new tag to begin with.
Seems to be a lot of "New Traditions" in the past few years. More to come I'm sure.
The old system was fine. Now with these worthless paper tags they just need to do away with tags.
I gather these new so-called tags are still paper?
Print your own tags and no in-person registration = meaningless "data" ….. plastic tags were ugly but at least you couldn't print out another one, it was one and done.
Maybe it is just me but the tag system old or new doesn't make people honest. Those of us that are honest will give the state the correct information. Those that don't follow the rules will continue to not follow the rules so I think we need to make the system simple and printing paper is easy. Now ripping off to validate is simple. Good
Did the old system prevent poaching in any meaningful way?
HAaaa. lets go to one buck season .... Im sure this will work . poachers dream
I am with you, Doug... My feeling is that cheaters will cheat no matter at what in life. It's sad, but I'm a realist.
It makes the hunting community as a whole look bad when the common belief is that hunters will cheat when given the first opportunity.
Hey woody ...talk is cheap
you and your family.... how many times busted?
The thought of RC (Woods) listening to Taylor Swift is quite disturbing.
"It makes the hunting community as a whole look bad when the common belief is that hunters will cheat when given the first opportunity."
+1 I've never understood why hunters are so quick to claim so many others are violators. It's like they aren't intelligent enough to realize they are doing a disservice to everyone in the hunting community. Some of the local outdoor writers badmouth hunters every chance they get too, I swear some of these guys are worse for the sport of hunting than PETA.
I have always said that I believe the vast majority of hunters do so by the law. To inconvenience those who support the department, only to try and make LE's job a bit easier is ludicrous.
Name another state that allows you to print your own tags, as many tags as you want. It's a very short list. I think Delaware may be one (and their all-time record deer kill is less than 15,000), but the most notable has a "Wis" in the front, a "sin" at the end and a "con" in the middle of it all.
Heavy on the "con" as in the last post. Woods may be on to something, cheaters may be the first to oppose this.
Missouri, they even have an app for your phone you can electronically punch your tag if you don't want to use a paper one.
I for one think the best of people and hunters especially. We, as a group are more likely than other groups to be honest, hardworking, loyal and upstanding people. There are always going to be a few bad apples but I doubt more than 1-2% of people that kill a deer do so with the intent of not tagging and registering it. A tag, or lack there of is not going to change that number. Those who violated when we had the plastic back tags will continue to do so. Those who were honest back then will continue to be honest now. I feel bad for you negative nellies. What does it say about you when you act like your the only honest hunter out there? Our Sunday sermon this week was about being a hypocrite, some of you could benefit from hearing that sermon.
Of course the majority are not cheaters. But in a state with print your own tags? In the past, one tag and when it was slit, it was done. If you think this is a protest or negative nellie, you're wrong, it is what it is and while I think they got it wrong, I'm not out to change it. We're not talking about life-long poachers. We're talking about making it easy on the guys who say "%*&$# the DNR" (and there are a ton of 'em). Wisconsin sells more than 850,000 deer hunting licenses, Missouri about 500,000.
Yesterday I bought my Patrons and noticed I didn't get a doe tag? Any idea's? I live in Iowa County! Or are they all buy this year? Thanks!
Thx Woods=sawtooth=dozens of other handles past and present. As overheard during the season, and I paraphrase, "The DNR doesn't care any more. They just want 'em all shot." In other words, don't need to report as "DNR doesn't care."
Check out this poor compliance from Alabama's first year of "mandatory" phone and online reporting this past season:
Alabama's first year of mandatory deer harvest reporting shows that more bucks are being harvested than does and more deer are harvested on private land versus public land. The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources says while compliance was not 100 percent, it is a good start for the state.
"We estimate that approximately 35 percent of hunters reported their deer harvests this first year," said Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Director Chuck Sykes.
It's Alabama..... Most haven't gotten past the 2nd grade. What do you expect?
Bobbin-
Antlerless tags have not been established for the year. After the CDAC process you will be able to print your tags. The Counties in farmland units can choose from 0-4 free antlerless tags with your license.
Many years ago I predicted on the Bowsite that Wisconsin backtags would become history. My reasoning was that lots of other states have functioned just fine with no back tags and saved money in the process. And so it happened along with a new computer system (Go Wild) and a new tagging system and new lot of stuff.
My only complaint so far is I need to buy a lot of different tags cause I hunt a lot of different counties public and private.
I like not having to drive in to register a deer. I can do it from right where I'm sitting now! The paper thing I can get used to.
Poachers will poach.
I've learned two thing's from this tread . One is don't disagree with Woodsdweller . Second is everyone from Alabama is a idiot . Learn something every day .
Folks do know that each tag has a unique tag number, right? So you can certainly print as many as you'd like, but once you've checked a deer with that tag it's easy for a warden to know if your reprint is valid. Oh, and you always could get tags reprinted with the old system. They were called replacement tags.
Well at least your open minded .
"""Oh, and you always could get tags reprinted with the old system. They were called replacement tags."""" BuuuuT you had to go to an als station and buy the replacement for 5.00$ and they had to print it out. Called a paper trail.
"BuuuuT you had to go to an als station and buy the replacement for 5.00$ and they had to print it out. Called a paper trail."
So?
Naz, if people say #&$#€* the DNR it is only because wardens, the DNR employees that most people meet, have earned that sentiment due to their over-zealous efforts to entrap people. That aside, paper tag or not, printed at home or not, will not turn law abiding people into poachers. But, I need not argue this point. It is now the law, so I'll move on to other issues where my efforts can still make a difference.
"""So? """ Hmmm,,, a lot harder to cheat the system when you have to buy duplicate tags and the wardens can see a pattern,, then printing off as many copies as you want.
Where are all these people that are trying to cheat the system and why don't I know any of them? Sounds like there's one behind every tree the way some of you talk. I know several hunters, in fact I know several hunters that say "%*&$# the DNR, and not one of these hunters would consider poaching/violating to my knowledge. Wow some of you guys must really dislike hunters.
"""So? """ Hmmm,,, a lot harder to cheat the system when you have to buy duplicate tags and the wardens can see a pattern,, then printing off as many copies as you want."
How so? You can print off as many as you want, but you can still only register one deer on them. No different than before. Please explain exactly how someone could cheat now in a way that they couldn't before.
When the tag was cut before rather then pencil in the data (as now) to transport the animal and if they didn't register the harvest they had to buy another duplicate tag at an als . Now when you pencil in the data to transport the animal home,, once home and the garage door is closed the honest hunter will do the right thing,,, register it. The dishonest hunter only has to choose which option he wants..1, erase the penciled in data 2. take another copy off the dresser he printed out. And go back out hunting. Was the old tagging system fool proof ? NO. But it created a paper trail and made it harder to cheat. I'm all for the new registration system except the tagging ...
My buddy shot a buck last yr and was driving home. A warden pulled up when he parked by his barn. The buck was not tagged and the warden gave him a warning. I thought you didn't have to tag a deer unless you left it? I like the go wild system but the paper tags are a joke.
Some get it, some don't. It's all good. One of the funniest things here is many of you same guys through the years blasting "weekend hunters" during the gun season, saying only bowhunters are real hunters, etc., and that a lot of the license-buyers during gun season aren't passionate and would rather get drunk and play cards and booze around in the taverns hoping to get lucky. Funny, now these guys are upstart citizens who'd never break a law, lol. You can't make this stuff up. Paper tags are a joke, and compliance on "mandatory" registration could be a whole lot better. Funny too how so many of you think it's wonderful, then question a 30 percent increase in northern WI buck kill (called in or onlined in by hunters). Now Rancid is back with the same old song, trying to dominate the threads and attract the bashers. It's no wonder this site has lost so many productive participants.
Naz, Hillary lost and this is now the law. Get over it.
arrow1,
I understand what you're saying, but cheaters are always going to find a way to cheat. I highly doubt the new systems is suddenly opening the door to poaching by people who wouldn't do it under the old system.
Locks just keep honest people honest. The lock is off the system now so...
Honest people don't need anything to keep them honest.
Naz good post. Bad laws or rules can be changed. There is nothing wrong with trying to change a mistake. Its a shame that law breakers like he who must not be named gets busted than comes on bow site. Bad enough he threw his dad under the bus....... All you have to look is how many times family members got busted..... All you law abiding hunters are against a plastic registration tag that can't be copied on a printer and you have to cut when deer is shot. Why??? You still have your call in registration. That would help law enforcement. Some here are for changing hunting hours and shooting hours. I support law enforcement. Law enforcement is against this. Why do you have to be sitting in your tree or blind hours after legal time ??? Look who champions all this the poacher troll.
RJN; I also thought if you have the deer in the back of the truck you didn't have to tag it but I now am informed if you can not touch it you have left it and must tag it.
BM, I have no problem with a tag issued by the DNR. My understanding is this was changed due to a lack of support from the old ALIS system. Regarding shooting hours, it takes a judgement call away from wardens who repeatedly have demonstrated a lack of good judgement. I have hunted many states where wardens were courteous and helpful and not trying to fish around or entrap a hunter or fisher with double talk and rudeness.
CaptMike.... Have had encounters with wardens out hunting and fishing. Got checked by game warden this last week in Minnesota. Polite and straight forward. I agree with you there are some that should take a class on how to talk to the public. But I believe the majority do a good job. Tags I disagree with you. Sitting 3 hours after hunting hours in a stand or blind over looking a corn field is POACHING. Why is law enforcement against this ???
"RJN; I also thought if you have the deer in the back of the truck you didn't have to tag it but I now am informed if you can not touch it you have left it and must tag it."
I'm sure very few people knew it had to be tagged in the back of a truck or anything about this "touch it" law. I would have guessed if I put the deer in the back of my truck and get in the truck and drive away I haven't "left" the deer. Do I have to be able to touch it with my hand or would it work to open the rear sliding window and poke it with a broom handle?
Am I misunderstanding something???
Some here thought you could transport an untagged deer?
You need to validate the tag right away. BUT the deer itself doesn't need to be tagged till you leave possession of it.
So under my interpretation you can transport a untagged deer as long as you are with it and the tag is validated.
I just looked into it and I guess I was making more work for myself than needed by bringing a baggie and twisty ties in order to tag it.
DNR FAQ "Am I required to attach the tag prior to or immediately after registration? No. The validated carcass tag only must be attached if you leave the carcass."
Buck, you said, "Sitting 3 hours after hunting hours in a stand or blind over looking a corn field is POACHING. Why is law enforcement against this ???" I contend it is not the three hours you mention nearly so much as the five, ten or fifteen minutes after the hunting time expired that gets abused by the wardens.
Capt-the numbers don't back up the argument that it's the poor hunters getting pinched 5 or 10 before/after. I read every citation from 2015 and 2016 and it just doesn't happen.
Skook- I'm not trying to bust your chops, but when do the citations happen?
Also can you provide a link so we can also read these?
Skook, you cannot tell me that does not happen because I personally know someone that ithappened to. And, if a person is intent on poaching he will have to fire his weapon at some point in time. It is that point in time when the warden can then arrest him and have an iron clad case against him.
Tweed- I described them in the other thread on shooting hours. About half are for an hour plus before or after hours. The least I can remember for either year was 12 minutes and I believe that also included multiple other violations. There isn't a link to them.
If the legislature moves forward with this rule change, essentially an animal has to die or be wounded (or possibly be missed) for there to be a violation. The current system is pretty simple. When it's legal shooting hours, load or unload your weapon. Easy peasy. If you are that convinced you need a loaded weapon for self protection, get out of your stand and start walking. Easy peasy.
"If the legislature moves forward with this rule change, essentially an animal has to die or be wounded (or possibly be missed) for there to be a violation." Skook, do you realize how many animals have died due to wardens allowing a violator to break the law so that they have a rock-solid case? Do you remember the phony wholesale, fish buying scheme they came up with? Set up a fake wholesale business in Minnesota, then bought illegal fish from gill netters who were violating for more than two years before they busted them. How about shiners? Many times they do not react until they hear the shot, something that would be completely in line with the shooting hours proposal. I am not willing to sacrifice a gray area to a discretionary call, just to make LE's job easier. And for the record, I have never poached or been charged with any hunting violation. But, I have been ticketed for fishing in a closed area. In that case I went to court with pictures of my GPS to show the judge my boat's position on the day in question. It was thrown out but I was certainly inconvenienced and had a monetary loss, due to the poor judgment of a warden.
So do you have to unload your conceal n carry as you walk out of the woods in bear country!?
Maybe a sticky note copy of our CC license on our forehead will suffice? Wait, if the weapon does not discharge, no law will be broken. I love this concept!!
This doesn't seem right,...a fellow has a CC license and is driving at night,...he is carrying and stops his vehicle to observe a deer alongside the road,...then gets arrested for shining with a loaded firearm.
Let's assume everything else was proper,...he did not present a traffic hazard, he has no previous record, there was no alcohol involved, there are no other weapons in the vehicle, it was the right time of the year and the right time of the evening, and he is courteous & respectful to the game warden. But he still gets arrested.
To me, if he has the CC permit, he should be able to carry AND look at a deer alongside the roadway. Why do you lose your right to observe wildlife if you are exercising your CC right? Your comments?
(For the record. No, this is not from my personal experience This did not happen to me. A game warden told me it was illegal to carry & shine simultaneously.)
Skook, let me add that a review of a year or two of ticketed activity does little to erase the decades of exposure many sportsmen have had with over zealous wardens.
Funny. After a lifetime of hunting and fishing, neither myself nor anyone I know has ever had an encounter with an "over zealous" warden. I know the resident law breakers in my county are never happy with the warden. LOL! I have personally always been treated fairly and respectfully. One would think after enduring "decades of exposure to over zealous wardens" more people I know would be having problems. LOL! Maybe its the type of people one hangs with and associates with that forms their opinion about "bad wardens". LOL!
The law requiring no shining while in possession of a loaded firearm has been on the books for many years. I've been carrying a firearm long before CC ever came to Wisconsin. If I was shinning deer with my family - firearm at home. Real easy!
And CASEKISKA how do you lose "your privilege to shine deer" - How is this a privilege. I suggest you stop over in Buffalo County and shin deer until the Sheriff's Office stops you and cites you for shining deer in their County...Tell them that it's your privilege...and then tell the Judge.
Heck.... I've never seen a warden.
I was ticketed for 14 minutes late . Was waiting for the slow moving buck to leave . Turned out to be a slow moving warden . This was year's ago.
Personally, I have spent more than 30 years working with the WDNR wardens both male and female. I have rode with them, enforced the law with them and had them back me up as I have backed them up. I've taught at the recruit academy as well.
I'm here to tell you despite what these three would have you believe, Woodsy, CaptMike, HunterR, our Wardens provide this State with awesome protection of our resources as well as our citizens.
Both male and female wardens over the years have continued to impress me with their work ethic and personalities. Outstanding to say the least!! I have never had a work issue with anyone of them and everyone has been more than willing to help me over the years.
Do they have a bad day here and there? Do you have a bad day - I know I do. LEO are held to a higher standard however and when you'd like to strangle someone - you know better and take the higher road. Yes, I myself had had some off days.
When people like Woodsy, HunterR and CaptMike spew their baseless and fact less garbage, it tends to upset me because I know the real story here. I have worked with more wardens than these three could meet in 2 life times, yet they offer up such foolishness.
Folks next time you meet a warden - Thank him/her for their service. It's your resources and your safety they are protecting.
Bo-Ho Woodsy - You keep running that "lose work time, lost money and your good name"!! Many folks get warnings and the vast majority are guilty and welcome to use the court system to prove they are not. Maybe the Court should pay you ( RC ) to come to court and your time away from your job? Paid the last citation I understand....
"pre-crime powers of observation" - Funny stuff - But "after Hours" is NOT a criminal offense!! It is a fine - no jail time. You may refer to it in the future as "civil forfeiture" if you want to be correct...
You know better RC everything with you has to be a contest. My dicks bigger than yours type of guy.
I know your RC because this type of response has your autograph all over it. You are never happy RC unless you feel superior and cutting someone down. Some how you feel empowered by that conduct and in some small way it drives you to continue your abrasive assault on posters here. Grind them into the pavement and keep em coming." Im so damn knowledgable and I'll show em all". What kind of way is that to live?
You are so driven and obsessed you have gone and created a "fake" handle. How how sad is that? You can call yourself what ever you want but, a Leopard rarely changes his spots and you certainly have not my friend.
"When people like Woodsy, HunterR and CaptMike spew their baseless and fact less garbage, it tends to upset me because I know the real story here. I have worked with more wardens than these three could meet in 2 life times, yet they offer up such foolishness." Blood, sounds like your emotions are getting the better of you. Take a breath big guy, you and your warden friends will be OK. An attitude like the one you just displayed is exactly why this law is needed. Like Retro claims, "who you associate with" only shows us your perspective, which is far from that of the average sportsman in this state. And speaking of retro, I wouldn't expect a fat, liberal, middle aged guy who lives in his parents basement to have much contact with wardens. Unless those wardens were helping clear the Capitol of trashy protestors.
"When people like Woodsy, HunterR and CaptMike spew their baseless and fact less garbage, it tends to upset me because I know the real story here. I have worked with more wardens than these three could meet in 2 life times, yet they offer up such foolishness. "
Bloodtrail, show me anywhere on this thread where I said one negative thing about wardens, and if you can't, I ask that you quit accusing me of something that isn't true. I might not care for everything the DNR does and I might think they are top-heavy and could use a good house cleaning, but I don't believe I've ever specifically mentioned the wardens. Based on almost every experience I've had with wardens (and there have been several throughout the years) I have always thought the wardens I've dealt with are good, professional people and do a good job. I imagine there are some bad apples but I have yet to meet a warden that I wasn't satisfied with, then again, in all of my encounters I was on the right side of the law and usually helping/working with the wardens. So again Bloodtrail, I'd appreciate it if you put a cork in your accusations as I don't care for that type of slander on a public forum.
Interesting post Bloodtrail.
HunterR - I never said anything about your displeasure being from this post did I?
How about: "Wow, the DNR and their employees sure start whining when the thought of the wardens not being able to run around ticketing hunters for no reason and playing kings of the forest "at their discretion" comes up. Seems to me this would be a positive change and make things much more clear for hunters AND wardens, I would think most wardens (except maybe the power-tripping ones) would welcome this change. Is it me or does it seem like the DNR is getting awfully whiny these days?
"Kings of the Forest" and "except the power tripping one" . I have to say HunterR those alone fit the bill of what I was speaking of. If not the entire post. This comes from a post you posted in the "Hunting hours are just fine"..... Going to have to make up your mind HunterR - either you like the Wardens and the service that they provide or you don't....
Woodsy (RC) - Interesting that a guy that's been around so short knows so much about some of the contributors backgrounds - just saying RC!
Once again your assuming facts not in evidence. "My day" has nothing to do with anything more of letting some law breaker call me a butt hole 4 times instead of 10, before getting to see Jail. Simply that.
Oh come on now Woodsy (RC), by that description I could have been telling everyone I was a Uniformed Security Guard at any number of Boat Marina's along Lake Michigan shorelines in Racine or Kenosha. You have known me for a long time.
Your a natural all right!! Naturally....ahhh never mind!!! I don't know if you'll be considered with that bum foot and all, but please feel free to put me down as a reference on your application!
And you wonder why I know who you are - you can be as funny as you can be critical - good one mate!!
HunterR - I never said anything about your displeasure being from this post did I? How about: "Wow, the DNR and their employees sure start whining when the thought of the wardens not being able to run around ticketing hunters for no reason and playing kings of the forest "at their discretion" comes up. Seems to me this would be a positive change and make things much more clear for hunters AND wardens, I would think most wardens (except maybe the power-tripping ones) would welcome this change. Is it me or does it seem like the DNR is getting awfully whiny these days? "Kings of the Forest" and "except the power tripping one" . I have to say HunterR those alone fit the bill of what I was speaking of. If not the entire post. This comes from a post you posted in the "Hunting hours are just fine"..... Going to have to make up your mind HunterR - either you like the Wardens and the service that they provide or you don't.... "
Actually Bloodtrail no, I don't have to "do" anything. I imagine that's hard for you to hear. But my mind is made up anyway, I posted about my experiences with wardens and how I feel about them in general, of course as I stated and you searched for and quoted for me (thanks for the interest and time spent) that doesn't mean there might not be a rogue one or two that enjoys playing king of the forest and power trips from time to time. That post you found in the other thread was meant to be directed more towards the whining going on about these changes rather than knocking the wardens.
I work with the DNR. On certain projects. On the. Subject of wardens. I was told by a top official at the state. The wardens are assigned. By their IQ. And their ability to communicate with the public. The smartest. In the south. And then they spread em north. Anybody. Ever hear anything about that?
I work with the DNR. On certain projects. On the. Subject of wardens. I was told by a top official at the state. The wardens are assigned. By their IQ. And their ability to communicate with the public. The smartest. In the south. And then they spread em north. Anybody. Ever hear anything about that?
Wow, if so, that doesn't say much for wardens in general.
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