Unbanning baiting in WI
Wisconsin
This bill provides that, after any positive test for CWD or BT has been confirmed, the rule prohibiting feeding deer may not be in effect for longer than 36 months in the county where the tested animal was located or longer than 24 months in neighboring counties.
Baiting and feeding should be banned state wide.
I believe baiting and feeding should be allowed to flourish in this fine State! Good news ahead it looks like!! Woodsy (RC) that is how I understand for that to work as well!
What a joke. Same with the X-gun thing, a joke.
A big step backwards. I guess I'll continue to hunt other states in order to find quality hunting...
I don't see much of a problem with people wanting to feed deer for their own pleasure just like any other wildlife such as birds and squirrels.
Hunting over it on the other hand seems lazy.
Good thing I'm getting ready for out west hunting, because if this goes through, it will made the "privatization" of the public land a nightmare. Looks like my wife is going to have to accept that its going to be a yearly trip.
Woodsy(RC) - I guess I just not contain my excitement! No need to cross the line Cheese plenty of good hunting here! G-Man, even when baiting was legal here...I never experienced the "privatization" of public land. In fact bow hunting...I rarely saw anyone.
Tweed - "Hunting over it on the other hand seems lazy!" Oh yes, the "if you don't hunt like me your trash" - Yes, we must all hunt a certain way or we are garbage. I bait and have baited for years.
Does it seem any less lazy sitting over a food (bait) plot? Because I do that as well. Tweed mean no offense but this has been battered around a thousand time with the same old same old...
You can make my day better by losing that offensive (FU) I have feelings you know.....
"You reply to me and put 2 letters in brackets behind my handle. Im just doing what you do. I thought I was only responding in kind. Just hope to fit in here." LOL!
I remember the first time I saw the abbreviation of "FU"....Got offended and walked over to the person's desk and asked what gives? Turns out that "FU" was just short for "follow/ing up".
Guess the rest of society doesn't think as negatively as some others....
Thanks for the permission woodsdweller, but I don't live or have a hunting camp in any of those Counties and choose not to. And I'm not sure why I would want to move my hunting to a county where CWD will always be present, but thanks for a well thought out, constructive and sincere post.
You're awful sensitive there Bloodtrail. All Tweed said is that it "seems lazy" and maybe that's just his perception based on his observations. What gives you the right to criticize him for his perception? And btw, you're the one who brought up "trash" and "garbage". Hmmm... I wonder why...?
Why are you so sensitive about the "lazy" comment? Is it because you're not lazy and it really is a lot of work for you to carry those 2 gallons of bait out to your stand? Don't have the big one now, I'm just asking the obvious question...
It's nice that this law will satisfy your own personal agenda, it's just too bad for those who are looking for a quality hunting experience on public land. But hey, you get what you want so to hell with everybody else and what's best for the environment.
And when are the pro-baiters ever going to debate the topic based on it's own merits rather than throwing in the food plot smokescreen? The answer is "never", because they can't make a good argument on baiting's merits alone...
Cheesehead - You and I have gone around and around on this subject. I think Ole' Tweed can fight his own battles. I told Tweed I didn't mean any offense!! He'll be just fine.
I don't believe baiting is lazy and many others who bait don't think it's lazy either. You know that Cheese.
Who says this will not allow for a quality hunting experience of public land. I rarely see anyone when I bow hunt public land and I have a quality hunt, every time. So do many others. For you to state different is wrong, because you say "anyone" which is wrong my friend. Because me and my family belong to that "anyone" your talking about and we have a great time on public land baiting.
Sometime ago Mike, you told me that you don't like baiting because it "privatizes" public land - you spoke of you and your child being present during a confrontation with people you suspected were baiting were you hunted. They apparently threatened you. I said call the Sheriff for assistance and you said the locals would damage your property if ya did that.
Just because someone wants to hunt a certain way - and it's legal he should not be looked down upon and chastised by certain members here...I think it's wrong!
Cheese if your looking for a fight - you and I have danced this dance a thousand times my man. Results: I like baiting - you don't!! That will never change my friend.
Well....at least BT has enough of a set to admit that he sits over bait.
Educate me BT, how is it not lazy? Do you stick the the less than 2 gallon rule? Is the purpose of your bait to attract or distract while you draw?
Isn't baiting still illegal on public land anyways?
Tweet - Glad you answered and again, I meant no disrespect - I just have had a nose full of this on this site. Yes, baiting is still allowed in certain places in the State.
So...what is lazy?
Is it walking out behind my house, about 300 yards to my bait plot and climbing up in my shooting shack and waiting for a buck? Is that lazy?
How about walking to the apple grove and sitting there in my ladder stand and waiting for a buck...Is that lazy?
How about I sit on a ridge top and my family of 7 drivers , drives the ridge bottom below and a 10 pointer about runs me about over when I am on stand...Is that lazy?
How about I walk out to my pre-placed stand and wait for a buck to enter my cut cornfield. I shoot it with my crossbow at 54 yards...is that lazy?
Most people who complain about baiting have never baited themselves. They think you can walk into the woods anywhere and dump a bunch of bait and just see the funnel of deer home in on the bait!
They claim it makes deer nocturnal - yet I have dozens of daylight pictures at the bait.
They claim that 2 gallons of corn will make deer change that travel pattern. Funny they don't care a brand new bait plot will do the same on much larger scale.
They say a deer bait will increase "nose to nose" contact but a 1 acre plot with 19 deer will not. Without the food plot...deer are very social animals and anyone herer worth their salt knows deer often groom each other and have nose to nose contact frequently.
When I bait I use a splash of corn and that's it. The corn is there to attract deer, but the added bonus it attracts a host of different animals to the site as well. It can be quite the show - very entertaining.
Everything from Pine Squirrels to Red's and Grays come to visit. Many ground feeders, like Jays, Junco and Chickadee are attracted as well as turkey. It gets nutsy some time!!!
Try drawing on a deer at the bait - It isn't as easy as some would suggest. The deer know that it's not natural and humans are involved. Most are crapping razor blades.
It's not for everyone. Some will never do it - they have what they believe are high standards and that's OK - just don't verbally attack me. I say as long as it's legal - do it...life is way to short.
Thanks Tweed
Actually the Assemby Committee hearing is this morning. The Senate Committee will have a hearing next week.
Tweed-It is not illegal to bait on public land as long as the county is not in the CWD restricted area.
Thanks skook for clearing that up.
I have just been a reader lately, not a poster. I have said on here before that I bait. I have been thru the so called"smokescreen" conversation of bait vs food plot, and that works both ways, whether you admit it or not. I regularly hunt public land, and have never had a "privatizing" problem until right before gun season,(which I dont hunt), and that has been very rare. If you are having "privatized" problems maybe you are too "lazy" to not get deep enough into the woods away from roads. I use bait to help scout an area, I use it on my own property to enjoy the pictures of wildlife I get, I use it to sit over sometimes and other times I sit without it. We all have our reasons for what we do and why, Is long as it is legal, I see no problem. I dont agree with bear hunting with dogs, just to run a bear up a tree so you can come behind the dogs and shoot it, but that is just my opinion and it doesnt bother me that others do. We all hunt for different reasons and that is great. Get off your high horses and quit telling people that its wrong just because you dont agree with it.
Yes Bloodtrail, we have gone round and round about baiting privatizing public land and I'm not the only one who has experienced it. Many others have too and in fact some other states cite that as a reason for it being illegal.
You wrote: "Who says this will not allow for a quality hunting experience of public land. I rarely see anyone when I bow hunt public land and I have a quality hunt, every time. So do many others. For you to state different is wrong, because you say "anyone" which is wrong my friend. Because me and my family belong to that "anyone" your talking about and we have a great time on public land baiting. "
I guess you summed it up pretty well... Of course you have a quality experience when you're on "public land baiting" because you and your family have probably staked out your own personal chunks of public land and your version of a quality experience is hunting over a bait pile. I never meant to imply that baiters don't have a quality experience but I see how you could twist it that way. Your response makes my point for me. Baiters have a quality experience when they bait and their philosophy seems to be, to hell with anybody or anything else that is impacted negatively by it. Maybe I'm wrong but that is the impression I got based on personal experience with baiters.
I'm not sure why you brought up the incident with the baiters who harassed us but I didn't "suspect" them of baiting, they made it extremely clear that they were baiting on that public land and if we hunted within a half mile there would be war. As I explained before, they are local boys who are very prominent in the community and I suspected I wouldn't have much of a chance. And besides, we wanted to have an enjoyable quality hunt and we shouldn't have to spend our hunting time chasing down the sheriff to deal A-holes or trying to figure out where the imaginary boundary is that we can't cross.
You wrote: "Just because someone wants to hunt a certain way - and it's legal he should not be looked down upon and chastised by certain members here...I think it's wrong"
Again, you seem awful sensitive about this. I don't think anybody chastised you, it was merely pointed out that one guy thinks it's lazy. If you're looking for some kind of praise because you bait, it ain't going to happen. I doubt that anybody is going to look up to you just because you bait. You're probably not going to hear "Oh yeah... Bloodtrail, I know him... he's awesome, he's a really good baiter!"
I'm sure there are a lot of guys who bait and don't cause any problems and maybe you and xtroutx are those kinds of guys. The problem is, I've had too many negative interactions with baiters and I've seen too many violations. It's just like any other practice, the bad apples get the attention and those bad apples, even if they are in the minority are the reason laws get passed.
I know I'll never change your mind on baiting but I'm entitled to state my opinion as much as you are. It's interesting how you mention "looking for a fight" which seems to be the language and tactics of some baiters and not all that different than the guys who threatened war with us...
Mike - You know this as well ,because I have mentioned it numerous time. I am at best a part time deer baiter.
The bulk of baiting I do is early in the season and then again in Mid December to the close in January.So yes, as a non-baiter I have just as much fun using my grunt tube and rattling antlers and have no reason to bait.
We have NO staked out area for the family to hunt - there is simply no one...I mean no one there on public lands for me to worry about. I don't know why! Gun Season - run for the hills. Id never go there!
Negatively impacted? How Mike, you tell me where I hunt ,how my bating negatively impacts the herd that I hunt? No one is around, the deer come and go. Some die while others live. It's hunting...how does it negatively impact other hunters...there are none.
Say...you never mentioned my "lazy" post to Tweed - I thought it summed it up well!
Maybe I am sensitive about this. Ask CaptMike how emotional I can get, he seems to know. But it's this over and over and over conversation that never ends on baiting. Same argument same time, same Bat Channel.
Tired....
I've been reading for awhile now. It is clear some of you guys just poison a good site. The sensitivity is unreal lol. Some of you guys will find anything to argue about. Cheesehead mike makes great points when it come to baiting. He is probably the best hunter on this site. Nocturnel has some good knowledge but I think he may secretly bait. Maybe he can finally own up to it.
I didnt realize you have to be the best hunter to have an opinion about baiting. I will admit one thing, nocturnal, (in my opinion) has some of the most interesting topics to read weather he baits or not, unlike others that a here for a daily scuffle, I agree its poison. I stated hunting in the late 60's and have a bit of knowledge about it. I just dont come on here and catagorize people for what they do. there are many hunting (legal) practices out there that I dont agree with, but I dont look down at others for exercising them. Everyone has their own idea of a hunt and what they get out of it. A little corn doesnt change why I hunt, or what I get out in the woods for.
I would think baiting would pull deer back onto public land and away from private land food plots. If I owned my own private plots, I would be seriously against bringing baiting back to public lands.
I know one hunter and his cohorts that will be happier than hell. ( he who must not be named)
There is a rather small chunk of public land I bow hunted late season in OZ County. There were 4 bait piles within 100 yards of each other. First off, I was shocked nobody was ever sitting on the bait piles. Maybe they were morning hunters. Not sure if they bait during early season and the rut, but they way they were set up was confusing. This is also they public land that people are leaving their tree stands and ground blinds for long lengths of time. Seems like they are in fact staking their claim, which sucks for everyone else.
Xtroutx I wasn't implying you had to be the best in order to have an opinion on baiting. Baiting minipulates deers movements. I know of nocturnal and have met him and where he hunts. I'll give him credit, he kills big bucks, but in the 40 years I have been hunting up there. No one is consist doing that unless that person baits. He's secretive about his areas when I hear others ask him. He's still in the woods an hour or two after it's dark. Night hunting? I don't know? Baiting? I'll say yes.
reggiezpop, I agree with you,some people do try to stake a claim. I see stands that have been set up for years and never seen a hunter in them or around them during bow season. I dont know if they were put there for gun season and just left or not. If I see good fresh sign I will hunt the area, if someone intrudes on me (which has never happened) I would simply just move on if I know they were being used. I have many areas that I hunt state/county land on and I will always repect another hunter if I know he is hunting the area. I would imagine the farther south you are the worse it could be based on population and land availability. If I find a spot I like and it apears it is being hunted I move on but that doesnt mean I wont be back to check sometime during the season. There are many hunters that just set up,leave it and dont hunt it regularly, to me that is wrong so I dont have a problem hunting the area. Many will set up begining bow season and hunt it once or twice and leave it until gun is over.
Natives bait, and then shine and shoot at night.
Baiting almost exclusively effects the north woods, farm country is less so. Until or unless the wolf problem is addressed up there, who really gives a shit about baiting anymore? What cwd doesnt get, the wolf and bears will? There are no freakin deer left, glad I dont hunt up there anymore sans rifle weekend. WTF are we protecting, the quality hunt?
Haven't posted for awhile but this baiting issue I was heavily involved back when it first rose it's ugly head and still like to know what happen to the $1million in the Deer 2000, I was with Sportsmen Against Deer Baiting for all the negatives that brings with it and once that door is open it lead into the eventual x-bow along the deer bow season. I now live across the River on the Mn. side (have hunt Wi NR bow season until the x-bow came in) and this state is still fighting the good fight with no baiting, x-bow and hopefully keeping the scope off the muzzle season, the bow season is short to Wi. but it is still trying to keep the fair chase into the hunt. 20 yrs of living in Wi and going to the spring conservation hearings all I heard was how to make it easier to kill a deer instead of putting hunting restrictives on the hunt. The ML season is a good example of what went wrong, from the cap & ball to the in-line one shot scope rifle and now the x-bow, be best now to make a generic season and hunt whatever one wants, it is done deal what liberalism brought into the hunt.
JJS, just so I understand, Liberals are responsible for ML with scopes and crossbows?
I,m with Cheesehead Mike, 'Ive been hunting 50 years in the northwoods and central farmland. I baited one year for northwoods deer when I was younger and looking for a easy path to success. A wise doe and a yearling buck taught me a quick lesson on man made bait piles.. ,I've seen the quality of woodsmanship diminish to greed ,laziness and no respect for each other. For the sake of bow hunter's, the rifle crowd is much worse. The deer report of 2000 had it right but caved into big money, now we are about to see a repeat. a lot has to be learned about CDW yet, but one canonly control the controllables, that being baiting. There are many issues in which Wildlife managers cant control; let them continue to research that course. As far as the wolfs killing the deer up north, just remember you, establishing a bait pile localizes the deer and wolf's will follow. You pro baiters are you're own worst enemy. Its a shame the DNR cant see past the bad in this game
KPub who are you? Apperantly you are hiding behind a false name. I won't even comment to your accusations. What a joke!
Since I was brought into this. The whole bait debate thing is stupid, at least in Wisconsin it is... Guys want it banned and say its impacting there hunting and cuss about everyone who has or does bait. But in reality, the limits in how much bait your allowed to use make it impossible to impact anyone, and when you mention that fact these guys immediately bark out that they have seen truck loads of bait in one spot... If thats the case, you still don't have a baiting issue... You have a poaching issue. Banning bait would not make any imact on anyone hunting without bait. People putting out truck loads when there is a 2 gallon limit are poachers, they are goin g to break the law regardless of whether or not its legal...
I don't hunt over bait cause I enjoy the one on one chess game with the buck. Hunting him on his terms. You learn a whole lot more, and in my opinion have more satisfaction in a buck hunted down, rather than a buck tricked. But, thats my thing... I care less what others do.
I do however agree with a few guys. Guys who have seen the results of baiting. Claiming smaller chunks of public and leaving their stands up illegally.
thanks regge, I don't vent often but 'Ive seen this so call deer hunting having nothing to do with actual hunting. Common complaints from the northern woods"the wolfs have all the deer Killed" contrary deer near a food source leave very little sign, are smarter than a humans and for the most part just watch and wait for one to leave.who's smarter i think the deer. also, keeping the deer near a food source just makes the deer easier prey for large predators. Deer are also ruminants, like cattle they can not digest whole kernel corn efficiently, they get sick and bloat. I've seen this numerous times in farm country .Where once there was alfalfa now just corn. If the state of Wisconsin caves into baiter's again, might just be the time to spend money in a state that has respect for its wildlife
Puts the average hunter. On the same page. As. The per say food plot. Baiter. ! But food plots are not baiting remember! Both. Concentrate Deer into a certain area. The DNR. Probably got one right!!!! Saying a food plot isn't baiting. Is. Like saying Lure isn't. For attracting fish. Ok. Let's hear the whiners defend them selfs!!!!
Puts the average hunter. On the same page. As. The per say food plot. Baiter. ! But food plots are not baiting remember! Both. Concentrate Deer into a certain area. The DNR. Probably got one right!!!! Saying a food plot isn't baiting. Is. Like saying Lure isn't. For attracting fish. Ok. Let's hear the whiners defend them selfs!!!!
lol...you guys crack me up. glad my back is feeling better so tomarrow I can get my lazy a s s back to cooking sap and cutting firewood for next winter. maybee if I got a x-gun and hunted from my truck I would meet that critera. I have been disabled since 2010 and have never bought a discounted disabled license,never thought about a x-gun, never hunted over a food plot in a tower home. I have been in the woods hundreds of times and let deer pass.....oh must not be greedy either. Around my land the preditors arrive way before my little bucket of corn goes out a couple times aweek. They seem to be interested alot more when the deer start going to the neighbors food plot. To characterize people as liberal, lazy,non woodsmanship and greedy because they dump a little corn,( I prefer apples, And my lazy a.ss goes and picks my own) is unbievable. Im glad you moved to Minn where the people are so much better
Food plot. And. Baiter. Same thing. Just. A different approach. Old Indian. Once said. Scout. Greenhorn. Don't. Be lazy. ! crossbow. Towerstand. Food. Plot. Bait pile. All. A sign. Of lazinesss!
No one will ever accuse Mindbender lazy for not using a period.
Amazing. Some of the great hunters on this site. Have. Food plots. But are against baiting. Explain that one! Explain diffence between food plot n bait. Same thing. For. He ones that. Are not. The top bulb on the Christmas tree. Ever wonder. Why , while driving. Down the road. You see. All. Kinds of deer in farmer Browns cornfield. Food plot. Baiting. All entice Deer n wildlife!!
Reggiezpop, what would else would you call it, porn; when fair chase standards are shun this is what you get. Enjoy your hunt.
JJS...So it's the Liberals that own the cross bow manufacturers? And they also own muzzleloader manufacturers and scope manufacturers as well? I'm not questioning your politics. All are free to form their own opinions which is great. Just haven't seen any liberals or protests pushing for xguns and high powered muzzleloaders.
Baiters are just strait up stupid. That is why they do it. I baited when I was younger/stupid and did not kill nice deer. All the time and work involved with baiting is such an unneeded burden. Guys like BT and RC have to do it because they cannot move to the next level. BT says above he baits during early season…WTH? There is food everywhere why would you not set up on it rather than place it. The reason is you’re retarded. And not a good retard either a stupid retard. I kill nice bucks almost every year in northern WI without bait. I don’t post those bucks here for many reasons. I hope you corn masters get your way and continue to use the crutch you so desperately need:^) BT there is no doubt you Suck if you have to use bait:^)
"The reason is you’re retarded. And not a good retard either a stupid retard."
Hmm, could you explain the part of your post I quoted in a little more detail? I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Thanks
entertaining, thanks for the laughs guys, I will be reading daily as I usually do but, dont have the time or energy to comment all day again for a while. My lazy a ss has things to get done. Enjoy ripping on each other
"Hmm, could you explain the part of your post I quoted in a little more detail?"
Apparently you're a stupid retard Ron.
Republicans gotta bait. Cut back on CWD testing, so fewer CWD positives = more baiting. Really? Time to switch focus back on the future of Wisconsin deer and real Wisconsin deer hunting .
Everyone needs to ignore those that come here to fight.. We all know who they are. Look at the last 10 thread topics, it's pathetic and it's fricken easy to point the ones out. If you guys can refrain from them, they will go, or choose to man up with decency in order to be acknowledged here.
It really scares me that some of you have breed in you life . Holy shit , a bunch of five year olds .
This site is exceptionally entertaining.
"Guys want it banned and say its impacting there hunting and cuss about everyone who has or does bait. But in reality, the limits in how much bait your allowed to use make it impossible to impact anyone, and when you mention that fact these guys immediately bark out that they have seen truck loads of bait in one spot... If thats the case, you still don't have a baiting issue... You have a poaching issue. Banning bait would not make any imact on anyone hunting without bait."
Noc, normally I'm along the same lines as you think. IMO, you are a mile off base with this post. I think emotion may be riding this, more than common sense. Let's say there is 6 weeks of early season. 42 days. 2 gallons a day. 84 gallons legally dumped in one spot. That won't affect deer movement?? C'mon man.
Hate to tell you banning bait will impact a lot of people who don't bait.
It's been awhile but fat inbred piglet comes to mind when I see FIP :) Wasn't that the acronym??
Baiting has zero impact on the private land that I hunt. I can see if some yahoo was dumping 2 gallons a day the intrusion would effect a mile radius around the site. I just see absolutely no reason for it.
The ones that think baiting does not impact hunting and deer movement do so because they sit and stare at there bait stations only, without a clue of what is happening in the forest around them. Of coarse they are going to say this, because they have never looked around to try and find deer sign and movement patterns of deer in an area.
Noc, normally I'm along the same lines as you think. IMO, you are a mile off base with this post. I think emotion may be riding this, more than common sense. Let's say there is 6 weeks of early season. 42 days. 2 gallons a day. 84 gallons legally dumped in one spot. That won't affect deer movement?? C'mon man.
If a guy was doing just that, than yes I would say most likely. I would think most guys that hunt public land pic a spot. They hang a stand and drop some bait. I'm sure there are guys that go all out and run up scent everyday dropping 2 gallons a day. Most likely not. Those guys are probably putting down 50 pounds every week and to me those guys are poachers and are breaking The law already. I doubt they would ever stop given a baiting ban.
I know this is a touchy subject and really I would have chosen to stay away from this but I was forced into it by an imposter.
First - Les Welch, let me be the first to congratulate you on your memory of Mr. FIP. I do believe that is what he's been called for sometime now! Thank you!
In other news: I'm sitting waiting for the all too famous anti-baiter trash talk "Since baiting was banned in my area...boy have I seen the buck movement"...and/or "day light movement is back again since they banned baiting." (So I guess those 100 pictures I have at my bait site during daylight are ghosts?)
We've heard about it being the lazy man's way to hunt and that it privatizes public land. Gee I don't know Gentlemen...Tree Stand placement overnight is legal (N) of 64 and in 19 Wisconsin Counties as well. Everyone screamed "privatization" - We'll be just fine with the stands and baiting, well at least the majority as you cannot please everyone.... Good Hunting!!
Live2Hunt -
I'll have to say I disagree with pretty much everything you say here. I bait and have done so for many years. Early season and then middle of December to January. I hunt the rut with a grunt call, set of antlers and a doe bleat call. I passed no less than 15 bucks I thought were not shooters or deer I have shot that were bigger. I ate my tag. I shot one doe with my muzzleloader for the freezer. That was it. My wife shot a dandy 8 pointer with the rifle. I know deer sign I grew up with it. I know deer movement - I have been, (Thank Jesus) a very successful bow hunter). I would like you to explain to me how I fit into your scenario or my wife, who is a bow hunter fits in?
I find you post objectionable to say the least. It appears you perhaps subscribe to the mind set "If you don't hunt like me - you are inferior/don't belong in the woods" - So if I hunt like you do everyday...I am OK then?
Please explain your think here - Thank for the time!!
If you have seen the slobs out during the season in the northern forests you would understand. It has eased up a little up there with less deer, and the hunting has gotten better. When there were a lot of hunters around, the only viable deer sign you could find were around the bait piles that were littered all over the forest. I don't care about how people hunt as long as it does not wreck the hunt for everyone else. Would it be acceptable for someone to somehow gather all the fish in a lake to there one spot and sit there every day so no one else can fish them? It is really discouraging to try and hunt an area only to find that multiple people have been baiting hard in an area and all the deer have clued into that bait pile. The deer will not move away from that area and to hunt them you need to sit right next to another person? If you know deer movement and enjoy the hunt so much, you shouldn't need to bait, right?
Make it simple. Takes two seconds to do. When you buy your license. Where it asks you if you trap etc. have it stamped on your license. Baiter.= bt.?? Food plot. ??=fp Cross bow. =cb.???? Inbred=. I'd ??Or one general stamp. =EWO ?? ?? LMAO
BT I have no idea what you are talking about as far as pictures, buck movment etc. I made no comments other than the one you thanked me for, which BTW you don't have right.
IF my memory serves FIP come up with that name for one of our people who tried to innovatively get around our hunting laws, yes a true outdoorsman.
I'm done with this thread.
Les, Sorry about that I did not mean to include you in the whole post - should have separated it. It wasn't about what you said. Please accept my apology...
I did however wish to point out the FIP subsequent acronym fits nicely for Mr. FIP. That's all - Sorry for the confusion - me bad!
Live2Hunt - Thank you for the reply - allow me to reply!
I absolutely LOVE seeing deer as well as other wildlife as much as possible. I bet you do as well.
From October 18-19 through gun/muzzleloader season I see plenty of deer without bait. My wife and I kill most deer around 10/26 through 11/13 and then gun season, which we do not bait.
When we do bait, besides the deer the woods explode with squirrels, rabbits, turkeys, Blue Jays, Chickadee and many others , coming to the bait. The turkeys we always spooked off to avoid trouble and it doesn't take much more than a flip of the hand - super eye-sight. Those birds are off and running - I hate the "putt-putt" because I think some deer speak turkey and know the alarm putt. (LOL).
My 2 gallon bait site isn't attracting every deer in the woods, like some folks would like you to believe. Much like your "every fish in the lake coming to my spot" Every fish isn't there either....
Deer are browsers, we all know that. They go about the munching some immature maple twigs, scratch for acorns, grab an old mushroom or two, and yes, visit my bait site. and go about the day. Browse and twigs make up a large part of the diet for whitetails and they cannot get it all at my bait site - so they need to move.
They do not grab three mouthfulls of bait go 200 yards away and lay down and wait for the refill. If a deer ate solely corn - it would die. That's why they browse. They move on, and continue to feed through the nighttime until morning and most lay down for the day only leaving their beds off and on.
I bait because I see deer up close. Doesn't mean I'll kill them but its close and personal and I cannot get enough of watching deer in the wild. Does it help my chances of killing a deer...most times, but sometime not. Some days I see nothing but ground feeders visit./ Hope this helps you to understand why I bait. Thanks!!
If you are only baiting during the late season, you arn't affecting many with your two gallons. But, you know as well as I how fast the deer in the area clue in on that corn pile. I have done it also during the late season. You can walk into the woods to the first deer trail and dump a pile. If it's cold, you will have no problem seeing deer. Now, you take that two gallons and multiply it by alot of people in a public forest, you have alot of corn. Now, alot of those people do not hunt until the gun season, but start baiting (if there legal about it) when bow season starts, and keep the corn pile steady till gun season. During that period between bow opener and gun season, most deer in the area have clued in on those piles. I have seen too many instant's during the gun hunt coming up on these areas. You can't find a deer track for miles. Then when you do, there will be a lot of tracks, trails beat down to the dirt. They look like bicycle spokes all going to the center. The center being that pile of corn that has been there for months. Yes, deer are primarily browsers which they have all around them. That corn is like a drug to them that they love to come across in areas that it is not natural, and they congregate around it. The only time hunting is decent up there is during the late season or muzzle loader season when most of these piles have dried up.
I think it's important for all of us to be careful when we judge other hunters. Just because a certain group does something, doesn't mean the whole group are a bunch of idiots. I think we all tend to do that as well in everyday life as well.
I've met some of the grungiest looking guys you would ever happen into...guys you'd hate to meet in an alley as your blood would run cold. Turned out to be some of the nicest guys. They look like hell, but no more dangerous than a teddy bear. Don't judge a book by it's cover . I know and I have been proved wrong.
I do not really care for bear hunting with dogs.
But I will defend their rights to the end because it a Wisconsin Traditional Sport handed down through the generations. The people that participate are not bad people at all. I just don't really care for it and that's OK.
Do you imagine what the cost of dumping 2 gallons a day to a bait site would cost as well as the time involved? Let me figure this out now....
There is roughly 64 days from the bow opener to gun opener. In a 100# bag of corn you get 20 gallons of corn or 4-5 gallon buckets. If you dump 2 gallons of bait each day that would come to roughly 128 gallons of corn in the 64 days. 128 gallons, with 20 gallons in each 100# bag would come to roughly 6.4 or rounded up to 6.5 .
Now, at 15 dollars a bag of #100 pounds of corn, a person would spend at one bait site alone....approximately $97.50 cents. Two bait sites: 195.00 dollars. At three : 292.50 cents...WOW!!
I'm terrible at math but I think that's correct! And if what you say is true. I'm renting a semi and filling it with corn and selling it up north..... cause they have to buying it like it's going out of style. WOW....
I'm pretty sure that this would be more of the exception than the rule. I can see some homeowner doing that however. Mom and Pop love to watch "their" deer.
I guess I would set up on one of those "Bicycle spindles" you speak of, that are nothing but dirt....Doesn't sound like it would take long!!
Thanks!
LOL, I was pulling into deer camp a few years ago and the camp down the road had 1000lbs of corn in bags on a trailer in front of it. The gas station in town has it piled so high, it covers the front of the store, and by Sunday of the first weekend they are adding more to it. They don't care of the cost. My enjoyment of hunting is the hunt, not sitting on a bike trail with someone else right next to me.
FIP - FAT INBRED PIGLET.........I think Mike the Cheese came up with that...But I might be wrong.....No doubt Ron and BT believe in line breeding...Hey Dad line breeding worked for the cows and I did not get a date for Prom can we try it?
Baiters are just losers and that comes from a guy that at one time did it.... BTW I still put 2 gals out in my yard so at night when I flip on the light I can see deer:^) No way I am going to try and hunt it....leave that up to the retards.
"I guess I would set up on one of those "Bicycle spindles" you speak of, that are nothing but dirt....Doesn't sound like it would take long!!"
You and I have disagreed about this topic in the past without drama Bloodtrail. Your quoted statement above relates to my problem with baiting. If there are baiters in the area that I'm hunting, I end up hunting their bait and its impact on the deer and their movements, directly or indirectly.
We have places that still sell corn around here even thou we are a CWD County. Never seen a huge display however even when it was legal in my area. Different stores have it, but they sell allot of the "Stump licker" stuff as well.
What Live2Hunt spoke of I believe is the exception to the rule. My statement was "tongue and Cheek" regarding where he should set up. No disrespect to Live2hunt, but I have a real hard time believing that the entire deer woods is visiting this one spot. My Lord, it's 2 gallons of corn - don't last long!
I still find it hard to believe that 2 gallons of corn changes deer movement to any noticeable degree. When someone starts a food plot - does anyone complain that this will now influence(s) the movement of deer? Private 80 acres next to public land, guy puts in 2 acre food plot...that is apparently OK!! Guy lays down 2 gallons of corn now he's a bozo because he affects the entire deer woods and their movements.
I don't get it.
Blood, I and I am sure others have seen what I have described. The first couple years I started finding corn piles I just shrugged it off. My thought was if they want to hunt that way and feel OK with it, go for it. Then I realized what it did to the hunt all together when all of a sudden you don't see any deer moving around. A few years ago I did not see a deer during the gun hunt. I hunted Sat through Wed. The others in camp hunted through the last weekend with nothing. I went up the last Friday of the ML hunt and there wasn't a soul around. It was very nice actually. I saw 5 deer before noon, and a couple more in the afternoon. When those baits dry up, the deer start moving to feed.
Live2hunt no offense but it shows that you don't know how to adapt to baiting conditions. And everyone that feels they are affected to baiting.
I'm not saying I agree with laying bait down. I'm just simply stating my opinion threw everyone's words.
I have adapted to it and changed some ways of hunting. Bow hunting, I can work around it. Gun hunting, I just don't sit much anymore. You gotta move to see deer.
If I put 2 gallons of bait out here in Minnesota I'd have every deer in the county in my back yard........all six of 'em!!!
Can anyone. On here. Explain the difference of a bait pile. To a food plot. Food plot. Is. On private property usually. But both do the same thing. It would. Be like saying. You married a second.cousin. So your not inbred because it wasn't first cousin. ! Food plot. Bait pile same thing. !!
CWD has been in a lot more states then in WI. Not every state has went to the extent of banning techniques, for lack of better words, for killing deer. Banning things is just more regulation. We need less regulation in WI. Just ask business owners. Baiting affects a lot more the deer and hunters.
I think there are guys who are marginal to poor deer hunters who like to blame those who bait for their lack of success.
LOL! Many handles strikes again!!
"Hmm, could you explain the part of your post I quoted in a little more detail?" "Apparently you're a stupid retard Ron."
I hate to burst your bubble and ruin your fantasy but I'm not Ron. I was just unclear on your post about "retards", of course now I see a post where you're babbling about breeding cows and you mention your Dad, so tell you what no need to explain any of your posts I'm pretty sure I don't want to know.
Isn't it amazing. When you add food plots with baiting. The food plotters. Look in the mirror n go quiet.! Truth hurts!
Actually Mindbender....I plant food plots on my own land and bait in thr county I live. See no problem with either. If hunting over bait on 5 acres ruins the hunting on the neighbors 100 acres "THAT IS JUST TO BAD." If you were competing with legal bird feeders you would put out an attracting device too or maybe you would quit hunting? I won't quit cause I like watching/hunting deer.
All you "hunters" who don't use bait think using bait makes killing a deer easier. Try it and find out before you pass judgement. And if you believe that feeding causes harm to the deer then your listening to the wrong people. Look at all the other states and how they have dealt with CWD is all you have to do. The MN libs are following in WI footsteps in trying sharpshooters and extended seasons to reduce the herd. In the end like WI they will loose a lot of hunters AKA revenue.
I agree baiting and food plots are the same. Since food plots are illegal on public land maybe baiting should be the same?
I do not have an opinion on this one way or the other but Tomb makes an interesting point.
I'm not for or against. Baiting! Just. Trying to clarify to the people. In th gray area. That food plots n. Baiting. Are the same both attrack wild game. Same thing just labeled differently! Another idea. Have people register with the DNR if they have food plots or Bait! Both food plots n baiting benefit. Wildlife on a lean year. And both. Provide. Hours of enjoyment for those wanting to see wildlife! My Beef is. The food plot people. Who are anti baiting. But a food plot is different n ok. !
Many food plot people are private landowners, QDM type individuals. They tend to be against baiting as baiting keeps deer on public land rather than animals sequestering on their private lands and food plots. Outside of Alaska, in almost every state, there are more animals(deer, turkeys, elk etc) on private lands where food and cover is managed, and hunting regulated by the landowner so it is not a free for all. Private landowners tend to do a better job than the government at managing animals and hunters in small locales. So, in states like Wisconsin, it is largely the private QDM guys who are against baiting and for food plots. The public land hunter is at their mercy.
Exactly as I see it. The public land hunters should be squawking from the roof tops to bring baiting back. They are being duped and cheated by the food(bait)plot QDM types, and their game manager cronies.
That's a broad brush some of you are using when you say food plotters are against baiting and are worried about the competition. I'm a food plotter and I could care less if baiting (pouring) is legalized because honestly a 2x2 foot pile of corn isn't gonna touch acres of food plots, not the ones that are done right and that include excellent bedding and a water source. If that little pile of corn does pull a few deer from my plots no big deal there are plenty to go around besides chances are the only deer those piles are pulling during the day are the young stupid ones that aren't what most of us are after anyway. I think both planting bait and pouring bait have a lot of similarities, other than a 2x2 area congregates deer (another non-issue just like CWD is a non-issue) more than acres of plots do and typically the guys pouring bait are lazy (and probably fat since that goes with lazy) compared to those that put in the time and work to test the soil, treat the soil, work the soil, plant, weed control, etc. Pouring bait and planting bait are a lot alike but do have a few differences.
Some guys have land to put in plots, some don't and dump corn. 2 gallons of corn does not compare to acres of plots. I think 90% of baiters dump 50lb+ at a time. Plots or piles serve the same purpose trying to attract deer. I wish all our neighbors put in food plots.
sounds more like GREED rather than care for the health of the herd.
"So, in states like Wisconsin, it is largely the private QDM guys who are against baiting and for food plots. The public land hunter is at their mercy. "
I'm not convinced the public land hunter is at their mercy. There are a good number of QDM properties around my property and a ton of public land bordering them. I also found out many of the QDM properties by me have acreage in forest crop and eligible for public hunting. That's a win, win for me. I've got two new ambush sites picked out for this fall on a piece of forest crop land down the road from me. Saw some big deer tracks! The new land owner put in a big food plot and a big shooting tower enclosed stand. I haven't talked to the land owner yet but hope to do that my next trip up.
I'm on the boarder line of Oneida and Lincoln county, Oneida is no bait and Lincoln is bait. The Lincoln county public land gets pressured with baiters hoping to draw out a QDM buck. I don't bait the big woods anymore. I found that a fresh scrape is better bait and no work. I don't think the baiters are aware they can go into that forest crop land. They think it's all private, no trespass. I
For myself I can say I look forward to planting plots just as much as opening day of bow season. Seeing stuff grow and the deer in the plots is just as satisfying as shooting a deer to me. Dumping corn just does not appeal to me but if it does to someone else have at it.
HunterR - Us who bait are a pretty big fat bunch of out of shape folks then? I also enjoy planting food plots when I have the time.
HunterR - You sure can get abrasive at times - you write: "and typically the guys pouring the bait are lazy (and probably fat since tat goes with lazy")
Sooooo...what is lazy?
Is it posting yourself just off the road legally with your bow while your buddies conduct a drive to you? You see a deer and then shoot it...Is that lazy?
How about the guy that has a tree stand on an established farmers corn field 150 yards behind his house. He shoots a doe from the tree stand after walking a whole 150 yards....Is that lazy?
Oh and how about the apple tree I hunt...it's about 80 yards off the town road and my son put a stand there. I walk to it...he scouted it? I hunt that...am I lazy?
How about my crossbow? I shoot a buck at 60 yards. Is that lazy hunting? I just walked onto a cut corn field and shot him at ""hunting" time....Because we had a chance encounter and I used a crossbow...am I lazy?
How about the water source my buddy dug for me with his end loader? I put the stand up, but is that lazy? I mean all I do I drive 10 minutes, park and walk to the stand and "stare" at the water...Is that lazy.
Finally, We put in a 2 acre deer bait plot. We put up a shooting shack, right on the edge. My son shot a nice 8 point as the buck moved along slowly at 10 yards and ate. Is that lazy. We didn't scout any...just put the field in?
Please clear these up for me because there looks to me like ..."There's a whole lotta of lazy going on"....
When I bait these are long walks. If I bait three spots a day - I know I have had a walk...a long one. Just wondering?
Bloodtrail- I don't think I said that.
RJN - Please accept my apology - you did not Sir!
Thanks for the article, arrow1. Even scarier than most of us had thought.
Bloodtrail, what did you say about RJN? Anyway, and for all, how do farm fields fit into this? Don't they also serve to concentrate and feed deer? Should hunters be mandated to hunt a certain distance away from a crop field, just so it is fair to those who do not have that opportunity? Or, should farming be banned?
This thread is about baiting.
It's not about food plots.
I have never seen or heard of anybody planting a food plot on public land and then harassing somebody for hunting near it.
Why is it that that so many of you guys can't just argue the merits of baiting without throwing in the food plot argument? It does not matter that food plots are planted and bait is placed for the same end purpose. The proposed legislation is not about legalizing or illegalizing food plots, it's about baiting.
You guys just hate it that some of us are pointing out the negatives of baiting and you would love it if we would just go away so you could continue your practice without anybody hearing about the negatives. Well too bad, I don't care how many weak comparisons you guys make to food plots or how many times you tell us that what we have experienced with baiters didn't really happen or how many times you tell us that bait doesn't affect deer movement patterns or how many times you tell us to just go hunt the other guys bait, you are never going to convince me of any of it.
I know this doesn't apply to everybody, but there is a certain percentage of guys out there that will never or rarely ever kill a deer without bait and those guys are very threatened by those of us who speak out against baiting.
I just don't understand how some guys can ignore the negative affects and are so blind to the thousands of pounds of corn that are dumped unnaturally in the woods every year on public land and are so selfish that they can't look beyond their own little bait pile and see what is best for nature and hunters in general in the long run.
For what it's worth, if you go to my attached link you'll see that the majority of states prohibit all hunting over bait or hunting over bait on public land...
Farm fields are the same as food plots. I especially like standing corn on a windy day when the leaves have dried and dropped down. A time to "sneak and creep". Deer like standing corn and use it.
Some like to steer around the topic. Private. Land and public. Food plot/. bait pile both entice. Deer. That simple!!! Can. Somebody. In simply. Terms. Like this. If you put. 2 gallons of corn on private. Land. And a food plot on. Private land. They both attrack the same Deer???? Watch. People steer around this one. Or do I have to tweet it!!!
Some like to steer around the topic. Private. Land and public. Food plot/. bait pile both entice. Deer. That simple!!! Can. Somebody. In simply. Terms. Like this. If you put. 2 gallons of corn on private. Land. And a food plot on. Private land. They both attrack the same Deer???? Watch. People steer around this one. Or do I have to tweet it!!!
Exactly Mike, well said. I'm sure it will get blindly read by others.
Keep the good stuff coming, Mike.
In simple terms mindbender as follows; one congregates deer on a 2 foot by 2 foot square, the other congregates them to anywhere from a 1-100 acre space depending on one's desire. One provides nutrients throughout the entire winter, the other provides a snack unless of course you are replenishing that 2 gallon dump site every day throughout the winter so it CONTINUES to provide food and cover (ahem standing corn). Example, a deer comes out to a 15 acre food plot what are your chances of that deer being in archery range compared to one eating on a pile of corn, just a slight difference I would guess? Not making fun but read through your posts before you hit enter, the punctuation every 3rd word is very difficult to read and actually figure out what it is you're trying to say. Mike covered it all.
It is very easy to dump bait in an area larger than 2 x 2 feet. I thought the law suggested 10x10 feet, two gallons max. In the past many fed in very large areas, 10 acres or so all winter long in northern Wisconsin and Michigan. The UP Paulding Choate road was one example. Is that different than a planted food plot of equal size? Why did that type of practice end in many counties while planted food plots remain?
Cheesehead - . The only time I heard of a guy that was planting a food plot on public land, was a 30 year old guy that had convinced his Grandfather to drop him off in the State Forest so he could work his "food plot" Truth be told, it was his Marijuana Plot and he ended up in County Jail after one summer day Gramps was going to pick him up and well you know the rest! Funny stuff....
Mike I'll tell ya why we don't stop arguing it (Bait Plots). It is FOOD planted just for the Deer, feeding deer just like a bait pile.. I don't plant my plots for any other reason. I want the deer to come on my property, not my neighbors to EAT at the table that I set out. Buck forage oats, sweet peas, soybean...whatever. I bait and I bait plot - I have experienced BOTH.
I am placing bait for the deer. Be it a 1/2 acre or two acres, that bait plot is for deer to come to my property and where I can place a stand and KILL THEM.
We want those BIG bucks on our property and we place food plots there to kill them. Pretty simple. There a few good souls that plant a plot to actually feed wildlife without shooting them. A few.
Most people's mind set - if your honest - is to get the deer onto your property, so YOU can shoot them. Period.
And apparently because your post "suggests" we cannot argue this..... as "the proposed legislation or illegalizing plots. It's about hunting". You say yourself in that paragraph " It does not matter that food plots are planted and bait is placed for the same end purpose. " I could not have said it better!!!
And as some of the folks that are complaining are in fact "Dyed in the wool" bait plotters, we baiters thought perhaps, it's best to point out the obvious to them.
Mike, you mention the negatives of "baiting"....but you don't specify. I know your only bitch is the "privatization" at least that is what you told me. Has something else come up?
And I am surprised at you and how much you hunt - you really, really believe in your heart of hearts that 2 gallons (2.5 pounds) of corn is going to change the deer patterns of all the deer in your hunting area? Really -
I have a hard time believing that Mike. Not that it occurs or doesn't - just that you believe that. Really? 2 gallons of corn disrupts the forest. OK......
And so what if there are guys and ladies out there that would never kill a deer without bait?
So what Mike. Are you and I so much better human beings because they (bait hunters) legally go out and shoot a deer with their bow at a bait pile?? I feel so superior looking down my nose at those folks because I killed my doe blowing a deer bleat call!!! Really?
And finally -
"Ignore the negative effects"? Would that be that it makes "deer nocturnal" Mike? - I have many pictures of deer in daylight hours at my bait.
How about the ....."lazy/fat argument" does that negatively effect the woods?
How about the......"Deer baits move deer off their normal routes" Really - 2pds of corn is changing the entire eco system of the forest? How about the neighbors NEW food plot - that changing anything fellas?
How about "Over baiting" The legal hunter (baiter) has little control other to call the warden to report it.
What about all that extra ATV traffic with the 100 pounds sacks on the back of the wheelers? Again, legal baiter have little control other than to notify the Sheriff's Office Recreational Patrol
People that BITCH about over-baiting and ATV activity need not bitch to the baiters...call your warden or local Sheriff and do something about it other than pissing and moaning here.
And Mike, explain why this 2 gallon baiting is so bad for "nature" and "hunters' in the long run? It's good for me and the 6 other guys that I know personally that bait/hunt...they are all hunters.
Or Mike is it, just not good for you? Thanks....
Blood, TWO GALLONS OF BAIT!!!!!! Are you kidding me!!!!!! I had a spot in the forest that was a slam dunk for deer. 15 years ago a group moved in that has 7 people in it. they each have a bait pile and they are 200 yards (approx.) apart down a dead end road. That's 14 gal. of corn (if legal).
Easy Blood, you are getting emotional again.
Ron and BT can agree on this topic for sure. BT does it with one handle Ron uses 10.
"I have many pictures of deer in daylight hours at my bait." If I remember correctly a few years ago you were going to show us a big buck in day light hours at one of your fail piles but were unable to do so by the end of December. Its a filthy little habit I remember many years ago hauling it in like a crack addict feeling the shame. But I got to say I never blamed my Dad for that.
"How about the ....."lazy/fat argument" What is your height and weight? I will use the standard insurance size chart to let you know where you fall.
"How about "Over baiting" Standard operating procedure the weekend before gun season. I would say the average fail pile is 100 pounds on public land.
Baiting is for hunters that Suck....I know I was there at one point but I moved on. Some people are unable to do that and wear the fail diper their entire life.
A 15 acre food plot? Dude, that's more than a foodplot! Seriously, unless you're independently wealthy, or your last name is Trump, nobody on here will say that's a food plot. That's income!
So now we're going to have bait and tree stands left in the woods. Talk about privatization of public land.
Yea Masterbait. Private land owners pay their own taxes as well as contribute to the public. We all are equal owners of that.
This is the best post I've read since joining last fall!!
Masterbait, what do you propose, subsidizing those who pay nothing? We already have a party that does that.
Good point bloodtrail. If. It don't work in favor.of some. They make it out. As a bad thing!
As a DNR. Insider. Once said. If it's on privat land. Ok it their paying taxes! So for the feed plotters n baiter. Do you put any mineral out.? The. Deer all lick off the same block!!
Master, still the same old, worn out, overused and unproven talking points. In your absence, you were obviously doing something other than critical thinking.
Cracks me up how many "experts" tell us baiting has no effect on deer, and come to find out the expert has never hunted on public land in northern WI. You have to just laugh.
I don't pay much taxes...... makes me smart. Just like our president.
What does it make you master baiter
leach. VERB (with reference to a soluble chemical or mineral) drain away from soil, ash, or similar material by the action of percolating liquid, especially rainwater:
Masterbait, when you are unable to use basic language skills, you will always appear uneducated. Who would consider the opinion of someone blatantly uneducated?
CaptMike - Your English is always perfect. I have noticed that and I am sure many others have as well. Your like a GOD! And we all know that this being the case, EVERYTHING you say is 100% correct! Please post some more of your educational skills for all of us to be amazed at Mike! Thank you Sir!
Good Hunting!
Retro -
Please explain to me the bad effects of baiting in the Northern part of the State. We have gone over this a ton, but maybe there is something that we missed.
Some here will argue tree stands cause privatization. Some argue that duck blinds offer privatization, some argue that just the mere presence of a LARGE group "claim" and area of public woods. And yes, some say a 2 bait pile will cause it as well.
What's the beef?
Bloodtrail, you and I can punch the keyboard all day rehashing the same old same old. One question. Do you hunt northern Wisconsin on public land and if so for how long? The reason I ask is Im wondering if you have any personal experience dealing with the many problems that come with baiting? Those problems have been well stated on here over and over. I have seen and witnessed those problems many times. Now in saying that, do I think if baiting was eliminated that we wouldnt have law breakers anymore? Of course not. But its a big enough of a problem, even though some people do it legally, that the sport would be way better off without it. I dont know what effect baiting has in southern WI, Because I dont hunt there. To me saying baiting in northern WI has the same effect as baiting in southern Wi is like saying being a police officer in Chicago is the same as being a police officer in Minocqua??
BT, at least your ability to spot perfection is good. Just don't go getting all emotional on us.
Captian - Here's the deal - you don't sniffle and cry...I wont either. Now back to your safe space!
Good Hunting mate!
Retro - Yes, I will say that that was a mighty fine post as our friend, WausauDug eagerly pointed out for us with not 1x but 2x. I have to go with the 1x however, anyway....nicely done.
As a matter of fact Yes, I baited for many years in Bayfield County. (Cannot get any further north than that) We hunted near a small town named Herbester. I would say 9 years we hunted there before friends acquired private property in North Central WI. I was allowed to hunt there as well as some public ground in Clark County and Jackson as well.
The people I met up there were kind and we bumped into each other from time to time, but I never did I have a problem with anyone up there, baiting or not.
In fact one year I was not connecting and a fella offered me a spot to hunt where he was baiting. I shot an 8 pointer that night in the rain off his bait site. Call me lucky - but that's the truth! The only time I was really frustrated was with the dog runners! Tons of guys and dogs running all over - but I went to my safe space and got over it! The Bear guys treated me well when I would talk to them.
How are these problems you and every other non-baiter have Retro seem to always be the fault of the baiters (legal) and ALL the complaints and whining they land on OUR doorstep!
Don't you guys complain to Wardens and the County Sheriff? How are they helping you? Please let me know.
Why does it seem ever time something enjoyable in the sport comes along for some folks some people want to shoot it down, "too many violators I say, make it illegal, that'll fix the problem." Which we know is bull puckies....
Shoot down the violators I say! Don't punish the legal baiters.
We all know the illegal baiters are going to still bait. At least many of them Retro!
Too many ATV people...Too many Illegal bait piles, too much bait dumped....Don't tell me about it, I cannot help you unless it's in my County. I would then be more than happy to assist you with whatever you needed. You need to contact enforcement people in your area to fix your problem.
I have been baiting in North Central WI for many, many years and have never experienced a problem with anyone. My friends, many like to bait, never a problem.
I believe what we experience here in WI is "Hotspots" for troublesome violators. Places in WI were violators run rampant and break all the rules and regulations or many of them. There are many, many places in WI that do not have ANY trouble with baiting. I know, because I live in one.
Good to hear from you again Retro - Shoot straight!
Bloodtrail, One thing I think that would help is stiffer penalities. Like other counties we have our habitual law breakers who do get caught, and next year are right back at it. The fines dont seem to be enough of a deterrent. I would like to see them raised substantially. I agree with your assessment of certain locales seemingly having more violators than other areas. I think thats why you see such a difference in opinions on all sorts of hunting issues on here. The county I hunt in as far as I know doesnt even have a warden right now and hasnt for some time. Position was vacated and never replaced yet to my knowledge. Heard a rumor that it wasnt going to be filled, and instead the position was going to be divided between wardens from neighboring counties. I sure hope thats not true because I hunt in one of those "locales" that needs a warden full time.
Bloodtrail isn't funny that we can trust hunters to follow rules concerning hunting hours but we can't trust them to follow legal baiting rules. I used to bait years ago.... but I have apple trees and food plots now. It doesn't bother me if someone baits as long as they follow the rules. Master baiter and woody or who ever you are go away.
Baiting will not go away, Natives do it all the time.
Retro - Regarding fines, I don't know if that would help either as I think baiting now is 336.00? Just followed a baiting case - DA dropped it to 200.00.
Oh well...hopefully the guy learned a lesson.
Our County has one warden and a warden supervisor...Field warden gets help from our Sheriff's recreational officer and the State Ranger is quite active in enforcement - pro-active group of go-getters. Fair bunch.
Thanks Retro!
I don't think our baiting is based upon what the Native Americans are doing or not. I think it's based solely on the climate of the masses and perhaps a political hot potato? I am not sure but certainly think Natives have nothing to do with it.
Camp 2 Dukes don't waste your time trying to explain to baiter.
Neverbait said, "You are very predictable, when you dont have a valid arguement, the subject gets changed. " Neverbait, in your weak attempts to sound relevant, you spew words that have no sense and come from no rational thought process. THE most predictable thing that happens on these pages is your shallow attempts to ridicule any person in favor of baiting. If you have a solid argument, why don't you stick to the topic? No person here has made any mention of MFL as the discussion was not about MFL, yet you find it necessary to try and use it to legitimize your ignorance. That said, Camp2 handed you your a$$ and you are too ignorant to realize it. As a captain and someone able to recognize the obvious, it is obvious you not smart enough to keep your mouth shut when you have nothing of value to add, yet you are weak enough of mind that with each sentence you attempt, you continue to prove just how ignorant you really are.
Bloodtrail, no, my English is not always perfect but when it is not, you will be one of the last to realize it. By the way, you never answered; who writes your reports for you? Or, does the court use an interpreter for your cases? You said, "Shoot down the violators I say! Don't punish the legal baiters." yet you are quick to punish all legal hunters by not supporting shooting hours, a common sense, and easy to follow law. Funny how a person's agenda can cloud their line of thinking. You also said, "We all know the illegal baiters are going to still bait." Can that not be applied to poachers as well? What makes you think a wording change in a law is going to create a whole new generation of poachers? Yet you, in your hypocritical effort to support your fellow LE buddies will push to penalize legal hunters by supporting a law that is vague and relies on much discretion on the part of the LE officer.
As long as you want to keep bringing me back into this conversation, I will be more than happy to join in. Hope you are nice and comfortable in your safe space.
For those of you whose sun. Comes up in the west food plots. Aren't baiting!!!! So. Your. All ok. !!! Enjoy the ride n Hunt!
Never, not upset, just leery of men who are interested in my underwear.
Captain - Most likely I've been writing reports well before you were kicking the slats out your crib. You are definitely one funny fellow however and remember - Don't quit the day job mate!
Ya cannot quite get that "Hunting hours/Shooting hours" out of your system can you? Well the fat lady has not yet sung on this deal and rightfully so!
I just read an article in WON written by David Zeug. Page 6 if your interested.
Dave reports that some retired wardens and sportsman groups along with Hunter Safety Instructors are rather hot under the collar with the recent NRB decision and have let their voices be heard.
Retired Warden Dave Harpster of Boulder Junction spoke of a Connecticut Warden that was fatally shot working a late shooting complaint. Dave said other wardens have reported close calls when working late hunters. Dave spoke of some "close" calls several wardens in WI have had.
So, so much for your and I quote "common sense and easy to follow law." ITS DANGEROUS!! Hello?
And yes, I will support my fellow (and I quote) "Law Enforcement Buddies" whenever I can.
And I also visit the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Memorial located on Interstate I-94 at about milepost 125 (WB) every chance I get.
This proposed law change is NOT NEEDED, it only effects less THAN ONE PERCENT of the hunters in this State and is DANGEROUS for Law Enforcement.
Talk to the retired wardens they will tell you. I aint making this stuff up.
Some significant folks now have seemed to taken up this fight as well. I am glad they as well have seen this as I have. A DANGEROUS law change that effects LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of our WI hunters.
I think you boys can find a better cause!
Yes, Captain, you are one a kind (Thankfully)
Happy Hunting!
Leave the law the way it is. I like the idea of the wardens having discretion. It makes those late sitting law breakers sweat a little more.....
Blood, said, "Captain - Most likely I've been writing reports well before you were kicking the slats out your crib." Well that clears that up. That makes you old enough to very possibly suffer from dementia or some other debilitating brain disease. Why else would you go against the wishes of the majority of hunters in the state? Sorry because I don't wish that on anyone.
But, quite the impressive group of friends you have there. Hunter Safety Instructors, and WON. Sorry but no, I won't be reading page 6 or any other page of that worthless rag. And, I've heard enough from Hunter Safety Instructors when they testify on various issues in Madison to know that a fair portion of them are some pretty off the wall guys. But, birds of a feather flock together...
I'd guess that if you and Never can get past the baiting issue you might be close friends?
Bloodtrail... retro... +1 .
No double standard, other than in your mind. You lose the argument the moment you try and compare public land to private land.
retro / buckmaster Thanks! Neverbait - I think Ole' Cheesy is neutral on the baiting issue !
Captain - Your always so kind. Thanks!
Say, Hunter Safety Instructors, yes, I am one of them as well, proud to serve in that capacity. My wife is also an Instructor as well as my son. Kind of a family affair if you will.
Unpaid volunteers, responsible for teaching our children and young adults across the State w/o as much as a "Thank You" from folks like the "Captain"....
The Captain relates to us here that those Instructors are "Some pretty off the wall guys". My wife asked if she could be included in that, she's an instructor but female of course...BUT just one of the guys!!
Captain, what pray tell do you do to contribute to the Hunting community and our youth? Anything?
You apparently like to slam or belittle those that are giving of themselves in the Hunting Community . I guess it could be Wardens, civilian volunteers - you must feel pretty dang good about yourself there Cappy!
Did you miss the part of my recent argument that the new law is DANGEROUS for law enforcement personnel?
Or did you just not care about that. I've said that all along - Retired Wardens across the State are now bringing to light close calls in the field suffered in their careers.
Did you miss the part that this law change would make the job more dangerous, but effect FEWER THAN 1% of WI hunters?
Why are you fighting a cause or suggested law change that would only effect -LESS THAN 1% of the Hunting population, yet its DANGEROUS to our Conservation people in the field - Hello?
I'm sure you'll be back shortly with another treasure trove of interesting comments but for now Cappy - I think you boyz can find a better cause to fight!
It's breakfast time here on the ranch - Giddy up!
Hunt Safe Captain!
Never, if you are unable to focus, no One will ever be able to converse with you.
Blood, that you think you know the first thing about me only further supports my advocating for a law that allows for as little discretion as possible. You think you know a lot but your words prove differently. Just like the fake news networks, why do you choose to ignore those LE officials who support shooting hours? Because their opinion differs from yours? Thanks for pretending to be the bastion of neutrality on the subject but your emperor has no clothes.
Interesting Stuff Captain...
But your "smoke and mirrors" , really failed to answer any of my questions - here they are again.
(A) What programs are you personally involved with that assist the hunting/youth community? (B). Did you miss any of my previous posts about this law being Dangerous to law enforcement personnel - your OK with that??? (C) Why are you fighting a law that effects less then 1% of the WI Hunting population?
And here's a new one.
Please advise "who" in the Law Enforcement Community supports this foolish, dangerous proposed law change. Please advise, because I know of absolutely no one! I'm kind of interested there Captain!
"Bastion" - for a second there I thought ya called me a "Bastard" - careful Cappy... this site has rules that need to be followed!
"but your emperor has no clothes".... Really, I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt Cappy.... but ya gotta be smoking your socks man! Crack a window will ya!
Thanks for your quick reply my friend! Ill be out getting the damn emperor something to wear... (I think he's talking about Ron - which is funny... because RC is always such a snappy dresser?)
Hunt Safe Captain! Remember the questions and Thank you once again!
"HunterR - You sure can get abrasive at times - you write: "and typically the guys pouring the bait are lazy (and probably fat since tat goes with lazy")Sooooo...what is lazy? "
Bloodtrail, below you'll find a definition of the word lazy I found by doing a quick google search, hope that helps. BTW the search only took a few moments and used very little energy, so next time maybe you can put in the extra effort and look up the word yourself. Just a thought.
la·zy ?l?z?/ adjective adjective: lazy; comparative adjective: lazier; superlative adjective: laziest 1. unwilling to work or use energy. synonyms: idle, indolent, slothful, work-shy, shiftless, inactive, underactive, sluggish, lethargic;
I see you're still harping over this possible change, pulling every excuse you can come up with in an attempt to object to the logical change. Now you claim the law change would be unsafe to le, so where should we draw the line? I imagine it would be much more safe for le to not even go into the field, for any reason. Imagine how safe it would be if they could just sit in their offices all day every day mailing citations to people based on nothing (no driving a vehicle as driving a vehicle is unsafe.) Maybe a handful of names could be tossed in a bowl and periodically throughout the day random draws could be done and those unlucky winners could be mailed a citation or two. Would that level of safety be sufficient?
HunterR - First, let me say "Thank you" for the definition word search. Who would have thought "Google" would have been the way to go on this!
I thought perhaps like most of the folks here, you would have gathered up just where I was going with that post. I apparently gave you just a little bit more credit than I should have apparently. I should have said - when it COMES TO HUNTING, what is considered lazy?
- I guess we have to spell it out for the some of our slower readers. That's OK, we need to be on the same page here.
So, HunterR, I was simply making a correlation between your "lazy baiter" remark(s) and "possible" lazy acts of hunting some folk's may participate in. As you can see - not much difference there in most of those examples!
If you had been paying attention HunterR, I have always contended that this foolish change is "dangerous". From word go, I have said that!! I now have others that agree with me on this. They just happened to be retired Game Wardens, Sportsman groups and Hunter Safety folks as well.
So, let me ask you this HunterR - Why is it that guys like you and Capt. Cappy are so "head strong" in (a) Supporting a law change that only effect less than 1% of the WI hunting population? (b) Change a law to make a wardens job even more dangerous?
You my friend along with the fine citizens of the State are blessed to have a Warden Force that everyday - holidays and week ends 24/7, strap on a firearm and a badge and put themselves in harms way for all of us.
Many here wouldn't even think of it for a second, doing what these men and woman do.....not for any amount of money!! Those men and women like all of our Law Enforcement Officer are our Defenders - they are the thin line between sanity and chaos for many citizens, like yourself, every year. I believe everyone here, with the exception of yourself, will agree that Law Enforcement has a very dangerous job.
So here's the bottom line.
Why would you or anyone else, consciously want to increase the danger level in anyone's employment? The same employment that already is highly dangerous to begin with? These are 30-40 year veterans of the Warden Service telling you and me this... it makes no sense - it's dangerous and to leave the law ALONE!
I have no dog in this fight, I have nothing to gain here. The only reason I fight for this is I believe this is right for our citizens and wardens alike.. Like I said, no dog in the fight boys!
That's it....
BT, what I do is of no concern to you. If you spent a bit more time with lawmakers you might have an idea. If you were more connected to the NASP program you might have an idea. If you knew why the OHEC youth event is flourishing today you might have an idea. If you weren't so much older than me you might have been mentored by me. If you've ever wondered why youths can now hunt at age ten you might have an idea. Do you know what CITES is and what they do? Do you remember those "No EAB" and "NO T-Zone" pins that thousands of people were wearing around the Capital? Someone paid for those.
See, you really don't have any idea who I am or what I do. None the less, I applaud you being a HS instructor.
Now, if you want your wife to be an "off the wall guy" that is purely up to you and her. Your life, your choice.
Please do tell, what WI study do you and your buddies base your "More dangerous" statement on? Not having had shooting hours in the past, where does the data come from? Whose experience? What study(s)? It is conjecture at best.
You know what is really funny? You cite claims that LE and retired wardens have made but you have attached no names to them, yet, you demand names from me? LOL! Funny stuff there, Boss Hog. My suggestion; if you want to hear from some of those I am referring to, you need to start attending legislative hearings. Maybe eavesdrop in a few legislators offices at key times.
Last but not least, why do you continue to cite that only 1% of people might be affected by this change in law? You know the data you refer to is not based on any long term study or numbers but simply from a quick glance at what has happened in the last two years. But even at that rate, tell me why 1% of the people who pay money to participate in a hunt in this state should be subjected to inconvenience, hardship or ridicule, just to make some else's job easier?
Here, let's try a different approach. Militant Muslims/ISIS members have killed less than 1% of the people in this country (you can Google this also). Based on your thought process, you must be against trying to better vet these people before they enter the country. After all, they have only killed less that 1% of our population.
Take a puff or two of that. Switching to smoking one of my socks would help you immensely. Windows open or not.
About that "bastion" term. My mistake and my fault. I should have given more thought to the intended audience. Although, I was pretty sure you knew about Google. Same with the "emperor has no clothes" phrase. I promise to keep it simpler in the future.
Neverbait. You hit it on the head.. double standards. They. Think. Their private land food plots are perfect. But public land. Is of limits. Cause it limits. Their hunting. Some aren't as blessed with scouting ability. Or we're never taught!
Food plot. / bait pile. Same thing. Just like apples. Some are red some are yellow. Both apples. But. Different. Colors.
Blood trail excellent post. I also support law enforcement and happier then hell that we have men and women willing to do the job.
Well Captain good to see you back - how was that nap?
Say, you right, it is no concern of mine what you do. It's just that you make such outlandish claims, one just has to ask one's self - has this guy experienced anything in the outdoors? I'm sorry!
Ok then - With the NASP program I guess I could call my good friend Dan Schroeder from Mad Town Madison to see what your role has been. In regards to OHEC I guess I could call Mark LaBarbera, the founder of OHEC, to see what role you played.
OK and while speaking of OHEC. I expect to see you this May 17-18 at MacKenzie for the Youth Expo!! I'm giving several seminar(s) on birds of prey and falconry to the kids. You can come work the projector for me! On our off time, we can work on my spelling!
As far at CITIES go, where you there in 1973 when the CITIES agreement was signed?
When you speak of my fellow law enforcement personnel as "buddies" it speaks volumes as to your view on law enforcement.
We base the "more dangerous" statement from the men and women in the field. You don't need a study to know that when you put one bullet in a revolver and hold it against your head...eventually it will go off.
These are seasoned law enforcement people with many, many years of experience.
They, I or the good people of Wisconsin don't need a "study" to tell anyone when something in their line of work is dangerous. They know dangerous. I'm sure for you, taking your garbage to the curb at 10:00 PM is dangerous! Yep, great idea...one more freakin study!!
A Electric Company lineman tells you something is dangerous. Oh, wait...lets have a study to see if the Lineman is really telling the truth! Are you for real?
No - wrong again. My less than 1% is based upon FOUR years of looking back at the numbers regarding citations issued for Shooting Hours.
Sixty Two...Yes, a whopping Sixty Two citation (62) in 2015!!!!! In 2015 we had just over 717,000 licensed hunters in Wisconsin. And your arguing this? Really? Unbelievable....I use 2015 because it sticks out in my head w/o getting my other paperwork.
Oh - and could you tell me just how many complaints were filed in any of the last four years regarding people cited for this violation? How many people complained to the WDNR about this...do you know?
I'm guessing you have absolutely NO IDEA if anyone complained now do you? But your willing to pick up the bat and ball, stomp you feet and hold your breathe, for complaints that you don't even know exist!!!!
Not only does it affect LESS THAN 1% of the hunting population - Retired Wardens - Men in the field 30-40 years EXPERENCE tell you that it is dangerous to change the law. Still you want to fight and argue about this...Really?
Of course with ALL your LE experience...you know better. With all those "after hour" cases you worked - ya, you know better.
We've beat this to death - so Im done, we will see this year and Ill be sure to contact you when I find out what happened with this proposal!
One more time - It's NOT about making someone's job easier...it's about making a job safer, which NO one can argue.
Like getting a round peg in a square hole....
Safe Hunting my good friend!!
In the meantime I'll tell Mark you said "Hi"....
Just what we needed, Never baits twin brother Mind bender also known as Dumb and Dumber.
Just what we need guys like RJn. Truth hurts. Typical inbreeding!
Like normal master baiter you don't know what your talking about. On my land just apple trees and a couple of food plots.
Some on this site have inbred for so long Their beginning to believe.TheirBrothers n sisters. '. Sad. For the site! Crossbows./ food plots/. Bait piles. All the easy way out. Get off your cousin. And get out and Scout and enjoy. The great outdoors. ! For. Those who are disabled. Enjoy. The hunt. We all. Might be there someday. All of us !
RJN.... Funny !!! Its really sad when one person comes on a site with 3 or 4 different names.
BT said, "one just has to ask one's self - has this guy experienced anything in the outdoors? I'm sorry! " BT, not sure what you refer to but if you are talking about the experience dumping corn gives then I will have to admit, I have none. But, that is my choice and as long as it is legal, I'll support you in doing it.
Wow, you know Shroeder and LaBarbera? You must be something special! LOL!!
As I knew, you have nothing to support your argument other than your emotions. Maybe if you made more use of your safe space you might not be so emotional? You wasted my time as well as anyone else who read you paragraphs of nothing. You can offer no solid proof or basis to support your claims, which is why the rule WILL change. Thanks for another great example of why LE cannot be left to their discretion and emotions.
I am not sure how much "we" have beat this to death but I'm sure your butt is stinging.
Yes, please tell Mark hello. He is a fine man who does yeoman's work for all outdoor enthusiasts (Google yeoman, I cannot coddle you forever).
"Yeoman" - Isn't that the guy at the back of a garbage truck that yells to the driver as they approach a dumpster? "Yeoman, Yeoman, your too close. STOP!!!!" I'm thinking you got your wires crossed somehow.
Hey, ya never got back to me on the projector deal in May at MacKenzie? Need to see you at this event Cappy, over 2000 kids coming. Going to need your help with the projector and misc. projects.
I know you cannot coddle me forever, but showing up to work for the kids would be great - I'm sure we can count on you! Thanks Mate!!
In closing, one last question here.... did you say "butt stinging" or "butt singing"... Cause let me tell ya Cappy, after a healthy helping of my Mom's "4 alarm chili", my butt's a singing! Let me know on that....
Thanks Cappy - See ya in May!
BT, not even a good try. But, the fact that you continue, even after being handed your stinging rear end, is again further proof that many in LE cannot be handed unlimited discretionary powers. Hence, the need for clearly defined laws such as "shooting hours."
Nope, no projector work for me. I am far better at raising the funds that allow those who play with birds to show them off. Maybe get "one of the guys" to give you a hand?
Bloodtrail.... "did you say "butt stinging" or "butt singing"... "4 alarm chili" I think it starts out singing and the day after its stinging! lol
Getting a bit personal there Neverbait...
Yes, I own 40 acres of MFL but since you know so much about me you know that it is a landlocked 40 and it was already in MFL when I bought it. So unless I want to pay all of the back taxes I can't take it out of MFL until the contract is up.
My food plots are on a separate 20 acres and there is no public land near me to "to take hunting opportunities away from the public hunter". My land is surrounded by private land, most of which has their own foodplots and/or bait.
Also, there are no mineral sites on my property.
There is no double standard. It's private property rights vs. public property. I'm a strong advocate for private property rights and what you legally do on your own property is your business, and yes that even includes baiting. You have a right to claim and defend your own private property but you should not have a right to claim and defend public property, which is what often happens with private individuals claiming public property with their baiting tactics and harassment.
Since you are so familiar with my land, maybe you know something about the 2 trail cameras that were stolen off of my property. I know that the guy who has them is also named "Mike"... maybe that's you...?
MF - Funny !
Captian - Words cannot express how disappointed I am that you have said "Not even a good try" and apparently not impressed with my sense of humor?
I honestly thought for sure the "Yoeman" joke would get ya going. No mention of the butt singing either. What's up? - All this banter have you in a bad mood (bad place)again! Lighten up - life's to short! SMILE!
Once again Cappy, you can stomp your feet and stand there till ya turn blue - isn't going to change a thing my man and I guess we'll have to wait for the outcome.
Well, talk about bursting my bubble - No Captain helping out this year. On second thought, I suppose that this is not so unusual - all chit-chat - no action! No problem - we got it!
By the way - we don't "show" birds, we do educate youth free of charge' as they are allow to interact with birds of prey up close and personal!
You take good care there Cappy! Nice chit-chatting with ya once again!
Good Hunting Mate!
BT, ditto! I will continue to hunt under whatever laws we have, as I am sure you will.
Sure makes me laugh to see neverbait back!
You could just be like this guy. Make certain EVERYONE knows where his land is :)
WDNR handout
WDNR handout
WDNR has a handout that some feed mill type places give out. WDNR does not think corn is all that wonderful a deer feed. I have attached a scan. These pages could probably also be found at WDNR's site.
As long as we are on the bait/feed topic, I'd like to point out that for the most part the 2 gallon limitation probably does not really mean anybody is putting out any less bait over all.
In the past, before any limitations and then with the 10 gallon limit, the master baiters around here simply placed large quantities all at once then came back to hunt it a week (or whenever) later.
If ( and that is pretty iffy around here) they now chose to follow the law, the 2 gallon limit only means that they have to work harder at it, making more trips in and possibly spooking up their hunt in the process.
My guess is that anyone who was baiting/feeding under the 10 gallon rule is still using just as much bait on an annual basis under the 2 gallon rule. Big variances might show up based on success. Most baiters stop baiting when they have filled their tags.
What a great way to further neighbor relations!
Master, on private property it is landlocked. Is that what causes you to trespass?
WDNR handout
WDNR handout
WDNR handout
WDNR handout
Looks like the first post didn't go? Sorry if this is a double dribble ...
WDNR has a handout that some feed mill type places give out. WDNR does not think corn is all that wonderful a deer feed. I have attached a scan. These pages could probably also be found at WDNR's site.
As long as we are on the bait/feed topic, I'd like to point out that for the most part the 2 gallon limitation probably does not really mean anybody is putting out any less bait over all.
In the past, before any limitations and then with the 10 gallon limit, the master baiters around here simply placed large quantities all at once then came back to hunt it a week (or whenever) later.
If ( and that is pretty iffy around here) they now chose to follow the law, the 2 gallon limit only means that they have to work harder at it, making more trips in and possibly spooking up their hunt in the process.
My guess is that anyone who was baiting/feeding under the 10 gallon rule is still using just as much bait on an annual basis under the 2 gallon rule. Big variances might show up based on success. Most baiters stop baiting when they have filled their tags.
Come on guys we will never agree. That. A food plot and bait pile. Attrack deer. So. Going out to. Check the 365 day food plot. For sheds. !
Settle down Brothers!
Settle down Brothers!
Come on guys we will never agree. That. A food plot and bait pile. Attrack deer. So. Going out to. Check the 365 day food plot. For sheds. !
Mindbender says "Some aren't as blessed with scouting ability. Or we're never taught!"
Just because you aren't "blessed or taught" as you say doesn't mean you can't learn. Don't use it as a crutch. If you need bait to see deer you aren't working hard enough, or smart enough.
Les, I don't think most folks bait to "see" deer. They see deer, but they bait to see "more" deer - and that's OK. It's a style of hunting that when legal - is no different - no better - no worse, than your style or anyone else's style!!
Gone a few years and people are still arguing about bait piles vs. bait piles w/roots;)
If baiting was outlawed you'd see a lot of property come up for sale . Also a lot fewer hunter's in the wood's . Therefore baiting will persist , to much money to lose .
Baiting has already been outlawed in many counties, at least temporarily.
Better hunting in those property's also.
Cannot agree with that, Swampy. Most baiting happens on public lands so I believe it will have minimal to no impact on private land ownership.
Actually, private land prices may increase as more and more hunters practice private land QDM and food plotting. Lack of baiting hurts the public land hunter far more than the private land manager. In the north, the wolves are the biggest hit to private recreational land prices. Why buy land north of Highway 8 if high deer numbers are the objective? Now, if the objectives are wolves, bears and coyotes, land north of Highway 8 is prime.
Lack of baiting only hurts the public land hunter who relies on bait. Lack of baiting helps return things to normal for those who don't bait.
Lack of baiting also hurts the wolves who have learned to key in on baiters who congregate deer and help set the table for the wolves.
Masterbaiter, you know so little about "factual data" that if I poured a pile it in front of you, you'd lick through the glass to get at it.
Wow you guys go round and round. First. They both have pitfalls private food plots n public baiting both congregate deer. So both attrack wolves. But wait. I once saw a wolf. Stop. And. Read a private property sign. And. Head back into public. Both congregate deer. Both are a dinner bell for wolves!!
What came first the chicken or the egg? Which attracts deerIn groups?Bait pile orFood plot.
Isn't theirAnything better For you guys to hash. Maybe tribal spearing? Turkey with bow hunting gear? Best mineral blocks?? Etc. carp shooting? Taking the Harley out for a spin? Tapping a maple?
Mindbender, I think you fell off of one too many roofs...
Here is an oldie but still a goodie...
Why isn't it legal to bait waterfowl? If it's legal and ethical for deer, why not ducks?
Is it because baiting makes it easier to kill ducks? Is it because baiting for ducks monopolizes a public resource and affects opportunity, maybe hundreds of miles away, for other people who don't bait?
One more.......why not bait for elk? Hell, they are just big deer that live in the mountains, right? I bet a big ole corn pile would work great for elk!!! I wonder if a well-established elk bait pile would affect hunters in surrounding drainages? If it did, would the baiter really care as long as he was seeing elk?
CM, why. would. you. say. that. ?.?
I know many, many baiters. Some have never hunted another way, some used to hunt without but made the switch back in the roaring 90's.
I also have quite a few friends who never got on the horse.
I wonder if it's a coincidence that the second group are FAR better hunters today with more harvests and more true trophies over the years......and are still passionate and positive about hunting? The bait pile guys seem to be more about themselves and to hell with everyone else. They are a somewhat whiney lot, particularly when they aren't seeing enough deer at their pile. They are always looking for that magic potion though!!!
I'm really impressed with some of the seemingly upstanding baiters that constantly post here.....I wish a few of you guys hunted up north on public land. Or are you fibbing a little about how "by the letter" they really are.
Pile it and they will come!!!!
Let's all look at the bright side. We're Bowhunters and we have fun!!
Masterbaiter, what have you been sniffing? Kiesters?
"Here is an oldie but still a goodie... Why isn't it legal to bait waterfowl? If it's legal and ethical for deer, why not ducks?"
Good point....
And why is legal and righteous to bait bear? I guess it righteous to hunt duck, grouse and other birds with dogs..... The only proper way to hunt bear is with dogs.
All you bait sitter are lazy;)
Dumb oldie but "goodie"
Come on guys! We are almost to a new thread count record!
This hasn't happened since the RC baiting days.....
Keep it up!!
Baiters are complete slobs. And in most cases will not admit they are baiters. Ron always said baiting was not his style of hunting but he was doing it the entire time. When caught he blamed his Dad. Like a meth/heroin addict willing to throw anyone under the bus when caught. He was taught to wave his hat in the air to bring deer in so I understand why he baits in farm country. I imagine after trying that a few times he turned to bait. In farm country food is everywhere it can't get any easier can it? Its a nasty disgusting habit that makes men lie and deny.
HunterR -
I guess I owe you a big, fat apology then. Perhaps? In one of your last posts to me, you write that you found the definition of "lazy" - You then proceed to post a smart ass paragraph regarding the - "Google" definition of Lazy.
You then go ahead to poke fun of my claim that any new law would be dangerous for our warden staff in the field. You go on being sarcastic - stating that maybe the warden should not go outside and stay in the Office so they would be safe. You wrote, that they need to have a big fishbowl and they could put names in it and draw them out. You added that they then could write citations to these people. You asked if that level of safety was sufficient.
Yes, you were quite sarcastic in that post.
If you happen to follow the news, yesterday, we lost a 15 year veteran Police Detective, 40 years of age, that was shot and killed in the line of duty in Marathon County . He left behind a wife and family protecting the public from a maniac.
Perhaps HunterR, the Detective should have been sitting in the Office picking out names from a fish bowl?
Do I take Officer Safety seriously - you bet!! But in that line of work there are no "absolute" safe situation(s). We can only try and "make" each situation the safest for our LE people as we possible can. We want our people to come home after the shift to their loved ones.
Your flippant remarks concerning the safety and well being of law enforcement are well noted as some others here as well. Maybe that's why I get a little warm under the collar - listening to the unappreciative and uncaring.
In closing, I may get a "little warm under the collar" at times. I may repeat someone's name, but it's rarely over 7 times per post. And this one, I really found interesting - "I invite" people to meet up with me? Really?
Now that even scares me!!!. Do you know kind of people post on here? WOW...... With this claim you won the "pants on fire" award! Congrats!
You have posted sarcastic verbiage designed to provoke a discussion and when someone answers back you cry "Foul".
Well if ya dish it out - ya have to be able to take a little as well.
Safe Hunting
Mike F - My original thread on the subject of Hunting/shooting" hours went well over 300 - kinda thinking that's the record?
Bloodtrail, your post is based on me not caring about LE and their safety which isn't true, but nice try. The fact that I would prefer to see a well defined more clear law is just that, and in all honesty I do not believe this change would put anyone in any extra danger. I'm not buying the sky is falling scare tactic with this one.
HunterR - Which part of your recent post is were you care about law enforcement? Just a tad curious....
Now, is it in the part where you say they (wardens) should stay in their offices because it will be safer? You know, not come out at all, I think you said. Or, is it the part about getting the BIG fish bowl and putting citizens names in it? Or maybe it's the part when the wardens pick those names out and write citations to them from the office. Which part is the "caring" part, because I am a little confused here.
Maybe it's that "bully mentality" that you have diagnosed me with? And your graduate work was done where again?
What pray tell are you basing your belief of no "extra danger" on? Perhaps your many years enforcing such a law?
What personal benefit would I receive for lying about escalated danger regarding the new law. What do I get ? I'll tell what I get - Big Fat ZERO - Nothing.
I do maintain the satisfaction in knowing that I have done what I believe is right for the safety of our enforcement people and the citizens of this State.
Well lookie here HunterR, I didn't "lose control" and I didn't "Invite" anyone to "meet me" because they didn't agree with me..
It's a red letter day my friend!
Good Hunting!
Holy shit! Ban me for language if you want but you guys are fucking rediculous. It's 1:00 am and IDGAF anymore. Say something that means something or move the fuck on. This talking in circles benefits no one. If you guys want to duke it out, be men and meet somewhere. Otherwise please stfu. You're grown men acting like a few petty bitches. This thread reminds me of the community forum. We are Wisconsinites. ACT LIKE IT! We're not from Cali where our feelings get hurt and we cry to our wives or kids. Agree to disagree or shut the fuck up. I don't care one way or another but we have by far the strongest and best state forum. Let's keep it that way!
(Ps, there's this new thing called phones, call each other and argue your points). You're petty bullshit isn't helping either point of view!
BT, you conveniently left a very important word out of some of the things Hunter said. His statements were prefaced with the word "imagine." That changes the context quite a bit. But, in your emotional state, you conveniently omitted that.
If one is hunting by an old homestead orchard of six planted apple trees which are dropping apples on the ground, is that baiting, food plotting, or hunting naturally?
Ages old food plotProbablyThe start of rooted baiting lol. And what would hunting over a mineral block a mock scrape or licking branch be labled?
I plant oaks, apples, chestnuts. Yes the deer eat the crop from each tree. Am I baiting? The farmer who rents our fields some yrs leaves a few acres stand, is he baiting?
I could simply say I'm trying to increase the value of my land. Anything we grow from the ground will never be banned. Now dumped on top of the ground, different story. (Rc) please don't reply.
Crusader - Your rant of foul language doesn't suit you and violates the rules of this forum. You eat with that mouth? I assume your referring to me and my friend HunterR - who mind you, have not stooped to using any name calling such as your endearing "petty bitches". How nice of you. So if I get this straight, your upset and validate this/your behavior (name calling/ language) because your upset? You could have said the same thing and not used the offensive verbiage. Your point is so noted! Good Hunting!
Woodsy(RC) -
You have allot of room to talk my friend, "a jerk" - you say! This coming from the guy who's been tossed from this forum over and over and over again? Ya kind of lose your creditability after awhile.
Let's get one thing crystal clear, I am not here representing ANYONE but myself - not the WCC, my employer or Church or even my wife. I am representing myself as a citizen with an opinion to voice. The US Constitution still guarantees me that right as it does you, (even thou you post it under 15 different names : ^) ) All opinions voiced by myself are those of myself and are not of any other organization(s) or peoples.
That being said, the only people on this forum I have had any type of a problem is with yourself and "CaptMike" - Even bantering back and forth with HunterR - he doesn't name call or insult me personally. He may not like me or my point of view, but he hasn't called me a "petty bitch" or a "jerk" yet!
Even now, right after you post Woodsy (RC), Cappy runs to the defense of HunterR grabs his "sword and shield" and rants about the word "Imagine" -
Really? I'm pretty sure ole' HunterR can fight his own battles without your help Cappy!
What makes this site what it is, are the differing points of view from a host of different folks across this State and beyond. If we all agreed with Woodsy(RC) or me Bloodtrail(FU) there would be no forum because there would be no new ideas and no discussion or disagreements on points of view. Be a pretty boring place if we all agreed.
In closing, please accept my heartfelt apology to all those I have either disappointed or frustrated with anyone of my posts.
Crusader was right, we do have a great site here in Wisconsin!!
I understand why crusader said what he said and in the tone of how he said it.
Guys have been asking for some of you to chill down the petty talk. Some of you start the dumbest threads. Just to bring/keep the negativity around. You are all a bunch of grown men and it's pathetic that this thread has gone as long as it has.
Bloodtrail, I think you guys sound like idiots going in circles and since no one else had pointed it out yet I figured I would. I am not upset at all. Just ashamed that my fellow statesmen are acting like women. If you read my post, I didn't single anyone out by name so if you assume I was talking about you then I guess the shoe fits. And yes, I am eating with my foul mouth right now and the food tastes damn good.
Noc, yes the threads get petty and I am as guilty as anyone of getting in the middle of them. That said, no one is forced to read a thread they do not agree with or care for. The only opinion on this site that matters in this respect is that of the owner/moderator. Otherwise, we are all free to read or ignore any threads we do not care for. I do agree about the foul language. I'd bet there are some kids who read this who do not need to be exposed to that. At what length does a thread become "pathetic" and is that a standard for all threads?
What's pathetic is how a few of you seem to get so butt hurt when people disagree and post it on this forum. Talk about over-sensitive. Every time one of you overly-sensitive types cries for a group hug I picture a little kid in his bedroom crying and screaming because he can hear his mom and dad arguing in the other room and he's screaming things like "please stop arguing wah wah, it's hurting my ears...." Now that's pathetic. No one is making you read this forum, if people bickering makes you cry (or makes you drop the f-bomb every third word) I'd suggest a different forum.
Yes,if you do not like the thread do not read it.
Woody.... because we believe you are him and a couple other posters on this site.
Captmike. You said you believe there are kids reading and the language is inappropriate. I agree, but what we are teaching these young readers is pathetic. A bunch of grown men acting like children. The ones saying don't read the threads then? How about you guys stop commenting on the bad ones so they can just fall to the bottom.
Is this why Wisconsin Bowsite.com is #1
Exactly MF! We got guys chiming in from Missouri, Kansas, California and who knows were else.
This makes my want to plant a food plot AND dump a pile of corn on it. Do they cancel each other out? I don't think we've argued about that yet!!! Or maybe put a fence around half of my property, so I'm a deer herder AND and have free range deer?
What bums me out more than anything is seeing guy's I thought were friend's with each other calling each other idiot or worse . I guess we all have a love and passion for hunting , just not each other . Must just me the way it is nowday's . I was thinking of having a Wisc. Bowsite get together this summer at my place . 3Dshooting ,camping, swimming , weekend . Free . But I really see it as a fail the way you guy's get along . As far as not reading a tread , every tread turns sour .
Swampy- I think most guys would get along just fine in person. In person they'd still disagree with passion but at the end of the day we're all on the same team.
I drive not far from your place and would love to stop by and check out your set up.
Tweed , you and your family can come up for a weekend anytime you want . I have an extra mobile home on the property your Welcome to use .
Is RC a person, place or thing?
How soon before the walleye run? Any opinios!
How soon before the walleye run?
Walleyes on the wolf have been running for quite awhile
CrusaderDad comment was much tamer then much of the rhetoric in most of the comments here Fred.
Bark up a different tree unless you're the type that wants to just taddle tale and get guys removed.
Ummmmm....
Can we hit 300??
So if I dump a legal amount of corn, I'm pond scum....but it I plant a bait pile with roots, I'm righteous as I providing habitat to all critters.
But if I use 2 gallons of apples I'm lazy but I'm a hero to shoot a bear over 20 lbs of gummy bears that I've baited for a month?
It's Ok if I hunt 20 yards from 2 apple trees but if I kick apples together, it's illegal?
I can hunt a trails leading to food, make a mock scrap, use many deer attractive scents and use decoys but dumping 2 gallons on corn which a fawn can clean up in an evening makes me lazy?
What if other critters eat my 2 gallons, have they benefited from my efforts?
This is confusing. Sounds like if you don' t hunt like me, you suck.
I think baiting is bad for all:^)
300....we are almost there!
Taking orders on rooted. Bait plot piles. Hundred.s. of roots. Attached to corn. All edible. So would this b a baitplot. Or a potted. Foodplot. ??
Selling. Latest. Invention north of. 8. Tower stand.s. A food plotters dream. Specify ford / chevy/ dodge etc. see photo
If that is seed corn it will plant a lot of acres of private land corn plots.
One positive to baiting like this, and shared in common with hunting bear over bait, is that the hunter can wait for the animal to be perfectly positioned and relaxed allowing for correct shot placement. Clean, quick kill that we should all strive for.
??
That's a nice picture of the deer at the bait pile. Speaking of bear, this picture reminds me of all the pictures I see of bear at the bait pile. Personally I'm not into shooting any type of game animal over any poured pile (bear included) so tell me again the difference between popping a deer with a mouth full of corn and popping a bear with a mouth full of donuts?
I have complete faith that we can get this thread over 400 posts. Now is the time to come together as hunters for the good of our common interest and get involved and post like there is no tomorrow! Come on guys lets work together and continue making this the best thread ever! Maybe we all can get together for a slumber party!!!
Bear are even more vulnerable to bait than are deer. There is no difference in the ethics of baiting either deer or bear. Bear baiting disrupts their normal foraging behavior and can make them nocturnal. NO DIFFERENCE!
I have baited both.
I guess maybe I need to clarify myself and my language. First I want to say that I fully respect every poster on our forum and their opinion. Now, in my circle of friends if someone calls me an idiot it probably means I'm acting like one. If one of my friends tells me I'm acting like a petty b!/ch then it might be time for me to self evaluate a little bit. If you say that about me and in the context of the situation it's the truth then I have no right to be mad at you or get my feelings hurt. If I say it about you and in that moment it's the truth then you shouldn't get angry with me and your feelings shouldnt be hurt. I used those words because as a regular and mostly respectfull poster on here I felt like I shouldn't have to mince words just to protect someone's feelings. Just because I yell and swear at you doesn't mean I don't respect you. In fact, it means the opposite. It means I consider you guys friends and as friends I should be able to tell you exactly how I feel without you getting your feelings hurt. As far as kids reading on here and seeing my language, trust me, they hear worse at school. I make no apologies for the way I spoke and if it's needed I might talk that way again. I'd still like to have a beer and burger with almost every person that posts on here and I hope to one day make that happen. So now that we are clear on that, enjoy your day fellas.
RC or his dad? Neither, its a DNR officer.
HunterR "Personally I'm not into shooting any type of game animal over any poured pile (bear included)"
If you were into bear hunting, am curious how you would hunt a bear in Wisconsin?
Deer baiting. Bear baiting. Same thing. Pulls them out of their natural. State and foraging patterns. If you hunted over either one. You've hunted over bait. Some will dance around this. DNR. Biologist I talked to said. Their the same thing also. So if a food plot. Benifiets. Deer year around. Wouldn't a mineral or deer supplement be benificial in your hunting area it's helping the wildlife.?
"HunterR "Personally I'm not into shooting any type of game animal over any poured pile (bear included)"If you were into bear hunting, am curious how you would hunt a bear in Wisconsin? "
I would try to learn their habits and sneak into their territory and try to get it done in some fashion that possibly resembled something that could be considered a sport that has at least a smidgen of a challenge involved. But it's not done that way. Apparently throughout the years (from what I gather) it's been deemed impossible to kill a bear unless it has a mouth full of jelly donuts or it has been ran down and cornered by a group of dogs. Actually I think the system is flawed, and by system I mean the way the DNR has "managed"" this resource. The season is too short, the wait for a tag is too long, not enough tags are given out, and we have too many bear around. Because of this, we have desperate hunters willing to do about anything (like shoot a bear with a mouth full of jelly donuts and shoot them while they're cornered after being run down with dogs) to fill the tag they waited forever to get. Not to mention the desperate guys that pay someone else to set them up on a guaranteed kill. I like to think that if this "desperate factor" wasn't part of the mix and folks weren't so worried about eating their tag we wouldn't see so many trophy photos of guys with 150 lb bears that look like large cubs. Don't get me wrong since it's legal have at it, just something I choose to not take part in. I'd have no interest in spearing fish out of a bathtub either, even it that were legal, different strokes for different folks ya know. Hope this answered your question.
I am going bear hunting in Canada this May, for the third time. Their bear numbers need controlling and baiting is typically done.
Am I ethical as long as I call it baiting and not hunting, in your opinion? Or is it more ethical in your opinion to let the numbers have a negative impact on the eco-system or to create too many unwanted, possibly dangerous, bear/human interactions?
Lastly, just wondering if harsh words from complete strangers have ever caused a person to "wake up" and hunt differently?
Thanks.
Looks like we made it!
Can we shoot for 500!!!!
Master baiter, woody and what ever other names you are here. GO AWAY !!! I am getting ready to pack up and start on my food plots and plant another 25 apple trees. Theres not a thing you can do about it other than be a gutless TROLL.
What would happen if a person used a Crossbow over bait? That guy would get strung up with His cables
And next is to ban farming, even back yard gardens. We should all have to forage and eat only what nature provides, like the Native Americans used to do. (Formerly known as Indians, not to be confused with Cleveland's premier baseball team.)
Wait, didn't NA burn grass to attract buffalo. Is that baiting?
Did they not also use fire and other means to run buffalo over cliffs?
But they were subsistence hunting, right? So is baiting allowed then if a person is solely doing it to feed their family? Boy, this is confusing!
Don't hold your breath...... how much money you want to bet?? Be a cold day in hell before some poacher like you will tell me what I can plant on my land.
If baiting is banned in certain counties or state wide then hunting food plots should be banned in those counties or state wide.How long would the plots last?? 2-5 acre food plots is not farming it's gardening.
Yes, but they will never ban gardening will they?
How could they lol. If I had more room i'd have a plot. I just think if some cant hunt over bait then others should'nt hunt over a plot.
If hunting food plots is banned then will I still be allowed to hunt my field edges? They are the same thing just on a larger scale. I'm definitely going to establish a few plots along the field edges this year. We've been talking about it for years and I'm finally going to commit. Since I'm not turkey hunting, it's a good excuse for the boy and I to take a vacation up there this early summer.
Maybe they should have a "baiting only" season.
I'm going to hunt over my food plot with my auntie after I dump cracked corn and syrup on it and set snares on the travel ways to the plot.
I have numerous properties for those of you who think. You own yours guess again. Your a steward of your land the government owns all the land. That's. Why you pay propert taxes theirs rules n regulations. For all property!!
If you own land and do not do habitat improvements on it, you should not be allowed to buy a hunting license.
Oh lawd.....
One guy wants to ban food plots and another wants to mandate improvements.
Let me do what I want on my land and leave me be.
Tweed, it was over the top intentionally. Thought it fit in with other posts;)
I like that other LOs do not improve their property. It makes my "baiting" that much more effective.
Go! Go!! Go!!!
You can do it!!
I think Neverbait might be our own Bobby Boucher.
At least I have taste......
Come on let's get to 500!!!
We do foodplots but if our area had baiting I would do that also. Not a fan of baiting the way you have to do it. I would want to spread it out more area. Maybe a twenty yard circle. I guess with CWD the less the deer are close (like in a single pile of corn) I like that. We put in food plots but don't hunt over them as much as you would think. Too hard to get in and out of those stands without spooking deer. Hunt more funnels and trails going around the farm. I think I would have bait - when conditions are harder (winter after food plots are eaten down) because it would cost too much to feed that way year round. I have changed to looking at the health of the deer population. If the deer are doing well there are good bucks in there and that is what we focus on however I like to deer and shoot deer so I like lots of target does around. Bait/food plots don't care which you do but either way you are getting more food out there to the deer. Maybe you shoot some over your bait or food plot. Good for you. I think we need to remember this is a hobby we all enjoy and because your strategies are different than mine, I don't care and have fun.
I don't like bait piles because it makes predatory birds lazy. They just wait by the piles. I never see them fly any more. They put on extra weight from the lack of activity, threatening their health. At least with plots they have to remain somewhat active to catch their prey.
Anyone else share this concern?
Ever see a food plot in the fall. A deer magnet if done right. Most animals bed within a 100 yards. Food plot / bait pile./ mineral lick all the same thing all. Attract deer. Just in different ways. Everybody on here wants. You to believe their in the gray area! If you ever baited bear. Or deer or set out a mineral block. Or a food plot. Last two work well together. Your a baiter!!!!plain simply. You've enticed. The species. To come to food. !
Another. God one I've heard of food plot/ land owners collecting wildlife damages for their plots, usually do the punctuating with the arrow, at 35. Yards can usually. Make the punction marks dissape!
It's worse than some of the run on sentences here.
"I don't like bait piles because it makes predatory birds lazy. They just wait by the piles. I never see them fly any more. They put on extra weight from the lack of activity, threatening their health. At least with plots they have to remain somewhat active to catch their prey. Anyone else share this concern?"
No
Are you going to go to how song birds are suffer because of over browse,too?
Or how overbrowse effects the under study of our forests?
Best you go back to your cube and research. It came, was argued and proven wrong..... in front of both houses in WI.
Habitat for Wildlife -
Really!
Over the years I have heard many excuses of why we should not allow baiting in this State.
And I have been quite vocal in allowing baiting and feeding of wildlife in the State!
But I got to tell ya - Birds of Prey at bait piles - WHAT? I about fell out of my chair!!
As a licensed falconer and a avid baiter here in the State I can tell you that I have never seen or heard of a single raptor feeding off a bait pile in the State! EVER!!
That being said - has perhaps a Coopers Hawk grabbed a squirrel - maybe, but there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support birds of prey settling in on a bait pile and becoming unhealthy.
If that was the case, think how many bird feeders exist in this State. Coopers and Sharp Shins make a living at many of those feeding stations and they are just fine. A few of the people feeding the birds have fits and I get a couple of calls every year asking what they should do to "protect" their songbirds. When ya lay out the buffet table - everyone eats!!
Raptors at bait piles - that's a new one......
RC- Even so - there are plenty here that may just believe such a foolish thing. BOP are most often poorly followed by the general public.
So there ya have it. Glad ya enjoyed the satire -
I guess I proved how effective baiting is for a variety of species.
Woods got it, quit picking on him.
Wisconsin Wildlife Federation Press Release March 31, 2017 Assembly Committee Vote Endangers Wisconsin Deer and Cattle Contact: George Meyer, Executive Director, 608-516-5545 Poynette: Wednesday, the Assembly Natural Resources and Sporting Legacy Committee voted to approve Assembly Bill 61 which limits the current DNR regulation which bans the baiting and feeding of deer in any county in which Chronic Wasting Disease or Bovine Tuberculosis are found in either a wild or captive white-tailed deer or any adjacent county within 10 miles from the location of the diseased animal. AB 61 limits any baiting or feeding ban to three years in the county where the diseased deer is found if no further detection of CWD or two years in the adjacent county. The ban on baiting and feeding was put into place because deer congregate in areas where deer bait is placed and CWD and Bovine Tuberculosis can be transmitted from the saliva or other bodily fluids of a diseased deer. Bovine Tuberculosis is a very serious disease for dairy and cattle farm operations. Bovine Tuberculosis breakouts in the wild deer herds in Minnesota, Michigan and Indiana have caused significant hardship in the agricultural community. Testimony from several wildlife health experts and veterinarians indicated that a 3 or 2 year ban, even with significant testing of deer in the contaminated area, is insufficient to assure that CWD or Bovine Tuberculosis is not still present in the wild deer herd in the area. Bovine Tuberculosis is transmissible from wild deer to cattle. No countervailing scientific information was presented to the Committee. Neither the Department of Natural Resources nor the Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection animal health experts were present at the committee hearing because of an Administration policy that state agencies cannot testify on legislation unless requested by the author of the bill or the chair of the committee hearing the bill. The bill was opposed by the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation and the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. A proposal similar to AB 61 was rejected by the DNR’s Chronic Wasting Disease Plan Advisory Committee that included several hunting organizations including the Congress and the Federation. In addition a majority of the DNR’s County Deer Advisory Committees rejected a similar proposal.
Even after bait piles are removed they may remain a threat for CWD, according to the opinion of one BS poster.
The bait residue that leeches into the ground from extended periods of piles causes deer to lick the ground for one last taste. This leaves saliva from possibly scores of deer, many no doubt already infected.
Ron - On one post you applaud those who refer to you as RC - you even "Thank" them. Why not me? I'm so confused here...
I have feelings too RC. Good luck with the "foot"....
Ronnella - Thanks for the words of encouragement here. I feel so much better now! Not emotional Ronnella, just some..."tongue and cheek" or how did you say "satire" perhaps? Best Regards!!
Ronny - No going back now.... Gina? It's "Mary" to you Sir. Seriously, have you forgotten in the last 15 minutes Ron? Perhaps it's the medication you take for your "foot"? I'm thinking of starting a (part 2) to this thread, because this is getting way out of hand having to scroll this far to chit-chat with you!
How about I just call you in Waukesha - old stopping grounds for me Ron. I was working narcotics in your County, while Ray Klink was the Sheriff. Kinda dating myself now .
Some good days and pretty good hunting back in the day as well. Sure grown up - way too much traffic and people down there now RC. Crazy place to live, but many nice folks - ya need to move up by me. I could help you sell your trinkets and show you some public land that is awesome. Bet I have your attention now?
Seriously now, so should we start "part two"? Give me your honest opinion on this....
Safe Hunting!
I'm against taking anything to email since that will not help us achieve our goal of 400 posts in this thread. In fact we are a short distance away from 400, it appears to be a slam dunk at this point. Call me crazy, but I do believe 500 is doable! We can do this!!! Group hugs for all and lets set off for 500!!! Post like you mean it!!!
No need to drive anywhere Ron, your sitting in Waukesha as we speak!
No. Although HunterR hides his identity - he's not even close to your intelligence level. I mean no disrespect HunterR, your intellegemt in your own way. But you Ron, you my friend, you have an acid tongue that gives you away every time you pull this crap!
How stupid do you think we all are - WAIT, don't answer that...LOL
I find it interesting here Ron, that someone can be removed from a site and then they simply resurrect themselves as someone they are not - system is definitely flawed. And, ya mentioned "bloodtrail" and left out the (FU) - what in the hell are ya doing down there Ron? Here...Bloodtrail(FU) - that better?
Seriously on the Saturday you sold your goods in Eau Claire at the Sports Show...I would have bet anyone here there would not have been one post from "woodsdweller" - that's because you were busy selling you trinkets at the show...Guess what? Not ONE post from Ron!
Once you put your crap away ya came back claiming to have been at the birthday party of a 80 year old man! Leave the seniors out of your deception Ron. The seniors don't deserve that!
OMG! Your killing me here Ron... Thanks -
Who's in charge of counting them?
"hunter R (I think you are the Real RC by the way"
I wish, that dude is awesome.
I've never met him, but it's on my bucket list. The fact that he consumes so many people's thoughts in a 24/7/365 fashion tells me he must be nothing short of pure awesomeness.
It's your fantasy, whatever works the best for you. ;-)
I think someone else is living in fantasy world. I am just an entertained spectator.
Hunting a natural food source is baiting. The deer have been programed for eons to come to that apple or persimmon Grove. Hopefully they will ban this type of entrapment.
Which is a better bait. A pile of corn or a pile of apples?
Do you cut the apples or leave them whole?
Sugar beets and potatoes when it is frosty in the mornings.
Don't for get Rutabaga's!!
And stay away from cabbage, that gets nasty when it freezes...
So deer don't like kraut? Not even Wisconsin deer? They should be shot then.
They like cabbage and kale before it freezes. Never found a deer that likes to eat brats and kraut.
I have found a few that tasted very good when made into brats and eaten with kraut!
I tried potatoes years ago and they were still there the following spring
Food plots are much better than bait piles, everyone knows it and honest people admit it.
A couple more posts and we hit 400, the thread starter should get some sort of prize. Excellent team work, group hugs for all.
I like planted bait plots. Come season lightly sprinkle some corn, two gallons, in a 30 ft X 30 ft area in front of my stand. That tends to move the deer across the plot into closer range for the arrow ( or in many of your cases, the bolt ). Can also use apples or small potatoes when colder.
It's all about you isn't it......
Yeah, you won a participation trophy. AWESOME Your knowledge on "frost seeding corn" is beyond compare! Must make you feel proud for receiving your "Citation"....
I just bought red clover and rye. I'll mix it at a 4:1 clover:rye
The rye was the little more expensive perennial rye so I'm happy with that but I'm thinking I should include white clover or some oats too.
Nevermind-
Is this more your style??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAyXhK9d300
Are you your own Grandpa?
Can someone post all of the handles that are allegedly Rancid, please? Does he believe in baiting or food plots?
I am not RC.
Maybe you guys could get the Congress to ban baiting Monday night.
Sincerely RC
If you do not hunt over or near a plot, is is still baiting?
For sale big rack buck corn grows the buck of your dreams proven results start feeding now taking orders 50 pounds 899 100 pounds 1499 get your friends together and buy a truck bulk discounts available! Deer feeding has been lifted be the first to bag the big buck in your area !
Quality Deer Feeding Management!
This is a pol...How far (in yards) does one have be hunting from the bait to be safe from prosecution?
That would depend on rifle or bow I would think. Should be the same distance for piles and plots
Everybody and the animals win when food can be provided for recreation and nutrition, but not for hunting purposes.
I have conducted a scientific pole. I have concluded people who own property and do not install habitat including food plots are just lazy.
Two out of three people I know who own property and do no habitat improvements also take terrible care of their lawn and yards.
In conclusion, those against plots are just lazy.
;)
I have to disagree woods. People who don't believe in failure piles are just more honest and ethical.
I heard just the opposite;)
Just looked up the meaning of woodsdweller and found it means - A person that is very ignorant and will do anything to be noticed. Suffers from small man's syndrome. RC
Not all food plots are grown as killing plots. Shows how little you know about landowners and stewards of those properties and the wildlife that use those properties. We also don't plant thermal plantings to kill deer in either. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your rectum and did a little reading you would realize what landowners who do manage the property for wildlife are creating benefit for those around them.
My paycheck? You don't write my paycheck......
I would rather put the cost of a high fence into plots. Just as effective and get more bang for your buck.
Masterbait, why don't you just swallow?
Neverhadabrain-
Apparently you get off on taking down the hardworking landowners who actually put sweat equity into their property. That's a pretty cheap shot at a lot of landowners who do it and don't get any of the rewards. Where do you get off telling me what I can and can't do on my property? Who do you think you are? You do not know what I do and who I do it for.
I am going to let you in on a little something that a few here already know. I take young hunters and vets hunting. It's what I do and who I am. I charge nothing more than a hug and a handshake. The last buck I harvested was in 2002. That was quite a long time ago. The last buck that was harvested on the property was shot by a young hunter out hunting with his Grampa and Dad last fall. Does he have access to land to hunt, no he does not. This fall I am taking a Purple Heart Veteran on a bear hunt. Why? Because he served and protected this great country of ours, the USA. I will also be taking 2 kids on bear hunts and a some more on turkey and deer hunts. All at no cost. Just giving a little something back to others that are less fortunate.
Unless you have walked my, or any other landowners shoes just shut your mouth and keep quiet.
I suggest you slither back under the rock you came out from and think long and hard about the lack of respect you bring to others on this site.
Respect goes a long way in life an you have very little respect from a lot of people on this site.
Mike, Thanks for all that you do for others!
Guys, don't let the likes of RC (woodsdweller) and Neverbait get you all riled. They aren't worth it.
+1 Rut!!!! +1000!!!!
Neverhadabrain- x10000000000000000000..........................
That's extremely accurate MF!!!
Definitely on the way to 500 posts. Very, very, nice work people. Carry on!!!
If you only had a brain....
Never baited either???? Oh My!
Neverabrain, you are the only stooge to show up. You have difficulties counting also? Not surprised...
Neverhadabrain-
Again you choose to be the judge, jury and hand out a sentence without any evidence... If your family picture shows how the "hunters" in your family safely handle firearms we are all in trouble....
So are you calling a farmer a "bait plotter"? Just because you say that's what they are? Then the next thing that will dribble out of your mouth will be that you are self sufficient and don't buy groceries.....
Masterbait always something that no one else cares for dribbling from his mouth.
At least everyone had the respect not to post any negative crap on "Easter Sunday" the 16th. All must have went to Church!
I think those who bait and food plot show they are truly dedicated sportsman who spend hard earned money to provide food for not only deer, but many other animals in the ecosystem. To not provide some food is cheap and taking advantage of the resource and the rest of us,......... much like the Dems.
NB, Let me give an honest view, hopefully explained with logic, as to why at least this one hunter disagrees with you on habitat work. Notice, I did not say plotting as plots I hope will just be one piece of habitat work in one's attempt at immersing themselves more in conservation activities that impact a multitude of species, non-game as well as game.
In the agriculture areas I hunt on the KS/MO borders, fragmentation of habitat is starting to be a real concern, at least IMHO. Farming demands economies of scale, or rather efficiencies of equipment size. (no pun intended towards another previous discussion with woods:)) Farmers are eliminating fence rows, island pockets of good cover etc. all for the advantage of ease with utilizing big equipment. Drain tile installation, and the incentives to do this by the federal government, are also causing destruction of good habitat.
As you know habitat is the key to healthy populations. Non-fragmented habitat is critical for eliminating genetic isolation of species. Hopefully, as we do, LOs will work with other like minded individuals to try and offset some of the habitat loss, and fragmentation that is being caused by these trends and a growing/dispersing population.
I have taken well north of 100 whitetails by bow, compound. Well north of. Not saying that in a bragging way, I am able to hunt some great properties. I have taken at least 9 that would qualify for P&Y, though never had one measured officially. Only one of these came off of a plot, my first deer ever off of one. Amazing how quickly deer adapt to pressure and scent check and show up after light while you are there but your cameras catch much activity when you are not there. Lessons to be learned from newbies about deer behavior are rewarding and help hunting efforts. Further, we learn about a multitude of species from observation as well as learning about farm equipment, maintenance etc. Things I believe you might think are worthwhile for kids to learn.
I have shot less than 10 deer with firearms. I guess in the areas I hunt I found it too easy and thought of it more as shooting than hunting. But I don't attack firearms hunters because they are necessary for population control, funding etc. Which is what is necessary for each of us to continue to hunt as we think proper.
Taking a kid hunting in the big north woods with some of the lessons you would relay no doubt is invaluable, and I commend you for doing so. Come to my area and because of leasing, smaller property sizes etc. and those same lessons would have limited value.
I don't expect you to change your mind. Or anyone else's! I can tell you from experience those that think installing a plot and regularly killing deer over it have zero experience at it. And I question their knowledge of deer because they are smarter than that and learn in a hurry.
Habitat includes food, cover, water space and most importantly the arrangement of those. If my property was solely used for income from farming I could most likely kill as many deer as I do now. That is because I hunt it with a low impact and realize deer pattern me long before I pattern them. I hang a LW stand every hunt, even at 58, just so as to not educate the deer. I think I have been blest as a hunter and LO, and as such have a responsibility to give back as much to conservation as hunting gives to me.
Thanks for reading...
A well thought, written and reasoned response to a very unreasonable person.
"Masterbait, why don't you just swallow?"
You mean "Why don't you do us all a favor and pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow" Walter Mathow - Grumpy Old Men I think neverhadabrain already did that since his head is firmly entrenched where the sun never shines.
Just sayin....
Mike the Cheesehead, has made some very good points. the topic is on baiting, not on food plots on private land, so I will stick to the subject. BT makes good points and he sees things, like we all do, based on where we hunt.......
I know what hunting was like, prior to baiting, better forestry, and of course no wolves... That is not what we are dealing with anymore. I am strictly talking about my area, north of Hwy 70. from Vilas east thru Florence. There is so much bait put out, I can not describe it, and stands, mostly ladder stands, are all over the place and never taken down after season........
I for one, had to learn to move on, but I still see deer, etc,,,,,, my spring scouting, makes sure I know where most of these stands are, and for the most part, where the traffic is going to come in, and where the baits are going to be, because it does affect the area big time..........
I use those bait set ups for my advantage, setting up on ridges and waterways in between....... last year, (and I was walking, something that I guess is now forbidden by the bait police), a guy was upset, as most are, I was in his area......... I assured him I was usually about 500 yards from the baits, but sometimes that is hard, when he and his friends, have several set ups............ He was also upset for me taking a deer out of the "bedding area", he said that was their sanctuary.....
He had no idea I was even in there, or how I even came in, since like most baits they are ribboned out from a logging road.... It was the easiest way for me to come in and take the deer our......... He was also upset that my deer was cut in half and lower legs missing??????? You can not make this stuff up......
Baiting is legal, no problem with that, but for anyone to say, it does not make the north woods territorial, has spent very little time in those woods, in the last few years.....
If they do, would corn or Fritos be more attractive to them?
Fritos are "corn" chips. Best of both worlds.
Nah, it would be just a bunch of weeds....
LOL! Masterbait pretending to have a "thought?"
"Marching towards 500. We can do it."
+1 Yes, 25 posts to go. We CAN do it.
A sure sign of hunters coming together and making things happen, excellent teamwork bowsiters. Not to mention finally a bowhunting related thread that belongs on bowsite that everyone can learn from!!!
This is a big win for all bowhunters thanks to all who contributed.
I forgot what the OP's question or opening statement was???
If you scroll up and read it then you might remember, it's still up there I just checked for you. By chance you still don't remember after reading it and it seems brand new, you might as well read the entire thread again. This thread is very informative and at times will have you on the edge of your seat wanting more, it's one of the better threads on bowsite. Enjoy.
I believe in looking foreword and find it a complete waste of time looking at the past. They say history repeats itself so sooner or later this will come to the forefront again and I'll catch up then.
One step closer. Another nail in the coffin.....so to speak.
Is putting bait out giving back?
So non baiters are commies?
If you are below a certain income level, then it is ethically sound to just take.
Woods, I knew you were a good guy, selfless towards others. Good job!
I can understand the confusion regarding your identity. For example, on another thread you had a lot of info on his bear hunt including the video.
Even more suspicious, you seem to be marketing him. LOL!
He is very talented, I will admit.
Impressive, from what I hear he has extremely high standards.
500
We made it, now let's let it die
Ron is a giver, not a taker. Everyone should put food into the ecosystem, benefits many species, not just deer. Bird watchers feed all the time, why not feed other animals and more wilderness type birds too? Many hunters are too cheap to plot or feed, they are living and hunting off from the rest of us.
Good information for the APR crowd.
This is from 2008, much has changed since then, especially in regards to older buck and CWD.
Baiting was never banned. You have always been allowed to plant whatever you want to attract deer to eat on your land, and in front of your deer stand. You can plant corn, radishes, brassica, clover, rye, oats, apples and many others,......... it is totally up to you.
Ya that is true. Will help the public land hunter compete with the private QDM guys who grow their bait on private lands, cannot do that on public land. Maybe baiting by bucket will help redistribute the herds back out into public lands and keep them more disease free. Dispersal of a herd is always good, except for maybe smaller herds of Musk Ox. If bowhunters really cared, they would spend their hard earned money planting plots or carrying 2 gallon buckets of bait to disperse the herds onto public lands. Many are too cheap to feed the many animals of the forests and plains.
Missouri, you don't spend much time in the public forests, do you? You have no clue the negative impact baiting does to the hunt for all involved.
Live2Hunt - - I haven't seen any "negative" impact(s) from baiting to "the hunt" in west central WI - perhaps you wish to enlighten me with a "list" of negative impacts? When we bait in our group we have no troubles.
What troubles have you had?
From what I read here our friend Missouri he is making sense - even Ron is right on track!
If you are baiters, you can't and will not see the impact's it has on deer hunting. We have stated the impacts so many times on this thread and others, I am not going to for you. Read through the past. The ones that bait make the most noise because they can't and will not hunt without it. Pretty said. BTW, I bowhunt the central forest around Fairchild/Neilsville. The movement has been pretty good down there the past couple years.
I think bucket baiting and bait plotting adds food for many animals, not simply deer. On every bait pile, especially if grain based, there are varieties of birds and mammals. Bait plots in forest openings provide forbs for many species, deer are simply the bonus. What were the negative effects you were experiencing? Or, did you mean negative to your hunting experience and success, such as decreased deer movement during daylight? If that is your concern, it is selfish and self centered.
STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your killing me Missouri. Because I would like to see a practice stopped that congregates the deer around bait sites, that are for those people only, because its there spot they own because they baited it, I am selfish and self centered? Bahh Ha Ha Ha Ha. Are you reading what you just posted? You got to be kidding me? If there were no bait sites all over in the forest, all that hunt would have normal deer movement by them if they were in an area with deer. I can go to an area in the forest where I saw no deer during the gun season, and come back the last weekend of muzzle loader season when 95% of the bait dries up and see deer. GET OFF THE BAIT, SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND YOU!!!!!!!
Sorry Live2hunt, I should have been more clear. With the private land bait plots and now allowable recreational feeding( since the last court decision), the private land QDM guys are going to have a huge advantage over the public land hunters. The private land QDM types will sequester and harbor deer around their bait plots and recreational(not for hunting) grain stations. I think public land hunters should be able to compete, just my opinion.
I have been avoiding this thread because arguments over baiting just get too hot. Apparently this one has too, I still have not read it. Just had to point out a baiting thread is probably the only one that could get 516 posts in a month and a half. Add up all the posts from all the other states on all subjects in the same time period and you probably won't come up with that many. Quite an accomplishment for Wisconsin bowsite posters.
Live2Hunt- You and Crusader Dad hunt the same area.
I was waiting for the post that claims since baiting has been banded the deer movement is better...OMG that is a good one! And actually ya don't see that one much anymore - probably because most folks realized how ridiculous it is!
I agree, Jeff.
I don't pour bait, I plant it. Planted bait feeds wildlife for an extended period while the poured stuff does not. At any rate, I am not against either. Bait might be viewed by some as only poured or planted, but the truth is that all natural forms of food are bait if it is used by hunters who hunt by or near it. Fact is, this state has enough available hunting land that a person who really wants to hunt in a certain fashion can do so, with some effort. The complaining from both sides amounts to those who are unwilling to make the extra effort to seek out the type of hunt they really desire.
I have also been staying away from this tread, but have been following it. I find it hard to believe that with all the public land available to hunt on, that baiting can so drastically affect your hunt that some have to cry about it. Ive been hunting public land in Marinette county for 7yrs now and have yet to have any serious problems. I am really not a complainer,I would rather adjust than complain and I really insn't hard to adjust. I have had more hunts ruined by dog chasing bear than people baiting. I have just adapted and not hunted these areas till later in the season,no big deal,hope they got their bear. I am retired so I try to do most of my hunting during the week and see very little, too no impact, that baiting ruins my hunt. On the weekends I hunt my little patch behind the house. I can see the territorial impact during gun season, but that doesn't effect me, since I don't gun hunt anymore. To each his own,just my opinion.
" Just had to point out a baiting thread is probably the only one that could get 516 posts in a month and a half. Add up all the posts from all the other states on all subjects in the same time period and you probably won't come up with that many. Quite an accomplishment for Wisconsin bowsite posters."
Impressive until you break it down. It's just a few posters adding any real content to the thread. Then you have RC stirring the pot 75 times. Look at it like that, and it's just a normal thread on Wi Bowsite.
Lots of posts are normal for Wis bowsite in many respects but not many subjects get close to 200 posts. Much less over 500. I bet the 'click' counts that make for Pat's profits are high for Wisconsin. Add to that all the Wisconsin posters going to other subject areas and accounting for even more clicks.
So many here seem to be enthralled with the RC. Who or what is RC and does such a thing actually exist, or is it just an internet sensation that captivates and infatuates Wisconsin bowhunters? How did the RC thing become so powerful in the minds of bowhunters? I am totally lost.
Yes, that Gritty guy was certainly a little leaguer. Much like neverabrain, never made an intelligent comment. Truly bush league.
Blood, evidently you are one of the bait starrers that cannot see the woods because of all the trees? It is a fact that I have witnessed every time now, when the bait dries up or does not exist, deer sighting goes up. Again, quit starring at that pile of corn and see what is happening around you.
Neverbait you really just described crossbowers. Plotters, habitat improvers, and game feeders are more about the overall ecology, and not simply limited to deer and deer hunt'n. Plotters are givers, reach into their own pockets to purchase land, seed and food for animals. This improves the landscape for many species to thrive. Takers are more like the Dems, I am owed a deer for the mere price of a license !
I figured I bring this thread back to the top seeing as though it is in the news today??. The senate is scheduled to vote on a measure to relax prohibited baiting with certain conditions today.
I thought they were going to allow "feeding" again but you still wouldn't be able to hunt over bait.
Tweed-
You can do what ever you can afford. Just ask RC.....
Good point which is really fair.
If a rich guy gets busted for baiting the fine is insignificant and really not a deterrent, if a poor guy get busted for baiting it might be a whole weeks pay for the schlub.
So, less CWD testing = more baiting! Or, the less CWD is found, the more corn hits the ground!
The less we test for CWD, the less CWD we find.
keep us posted on this,,,,,,
So they can ram this which is not needed through. But they refuse to do sh&t about a wolf hunt? I'm getting real sick of politicians in WI that only do things for sportsman if they see monetary or political gain in it.
Not invalid RC. The states that pushed for wolves to be removed, it happens. Just because your beloved Walker doesn't have the stones is no excuse for it here. The politicians are more worried about things like blaze pink hunting clothing and bringing back baiting for the lazy.
Alabama needs to bring in more money for wildlife programs, they are on the verge of charging 15.00 for a baiting license, which they figure will bring in well over 1.5 million dollars,,,,,,, they say this could catch on,,,,,,,,,,,
I am afraid we are going the wrong way
"How about a bait plot license for guys that grow bait? Charge per 1/4 acre."
Well that's a great idea Ron. Perhaps they could charge gardeners and little old lady's with flower beds as well.
We would have the farmer who rents our fields plant them and harvest in the spring.
Neverbait, I'd put money on the fact that Ill out hunt you on your own ground without bait.. I do not set up bait piles, However I do spend couple grand a year on foodplots. 3 of them to be exact. Only one ever gets hunted. Saying people who do this have no skills is plain wrong. You can grow the biggest best plot in the world and get all the pictures if bucks you want.. but!,if you dont understand thermals, wind, scent, whitetail behavior, feeding trends, ect.. youll never consistantly harvest mature bucks. If your shooting mature deer without bait and without food plots consistently congralations, you can call yourself a hunter... I did that for over 10 years until i got sick of public land asshats that think they own the land... Id be careful talking down on people.. do I think some people bait overboard absolutely.. most those guys dont shoot a lot of deer directly over bait anyways, and if they do why do you give a shit they paid for the tag!!
Neverbait here ya go!!
Neverbait here ya go!!
Is there a listing of counties that shows when the last reported cwd deer has been found by date?
foodploter: Thats a nice looking wall. Here's a tip for you in the future. 3 guys on here you shouldn't really pay attention too. By all means comment if you like. But just don't take it personal. They never stop their bleeding.
#1 Neverbait
#2 woodsdweller
#3 HunterR
They know they fall in the top 3. One is always quick to comment. ;) bring on 500
http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/results.html
about the middle of the page you will see CWD results and you can search for specific deer,statewide,County or DMU
and if you go to county search and click on the county you can see the entire history of that county(ie clark county goes all the way back to 2002 with 0 Positives )
l've read this post from the beginning and have yet to find the results of the bill - am l missing something?
"foodploter: Thats a nice looking wall. Here's a tip for you in the future. 3 guys on here you shouldn't really pay attention too. By all means comment if you like. But just don't take it personal. They never stop their bleeding. #1 Neverbait #2 woodsdweller #3 HunterR They know they fall in the top 3. One is always quick to comment. ;) bring on 500"
What a little girl. It's like grade school you don't like someone so you try and get others to not like them too, lol. I doubt you need to tell people to not take things personally, most adults that have ever visited an internet forum likely don't take things personally, maybe you could give that a try and see if it helps your emotional state. "Bring on 500." Yeah, that would be great if this thread got to 500 posts. lol smh
any chance this goes into affect this season or is their no chance of that?
This post will never break a record because no one here has a strong opinion on baiting.
I think the new hunting hours are perfect for the "scoped" and silent crossbow about 30 yards from the open food/bait plot, especially in snow and on cloudless evenings. Rifles make a loud noise which attracts attention, crossbows do not. How will wardens hear the violators shooting after hours? I am sure there has always been some late shooting with regular bows, but distances were more limited and scopes absent.
