draw date

You know, the next time a NR has a licensing question about Kansas, maybe they should post it on the Louisiana page. Thousands of them come up to kill our deer. Oh......wait....they don't bother to buy..... :-)

From: stealthycat

07-May-17

'94 ? 2000 was the first year non-res could hunt KS for deer right?

From: Westksbowhunter

07-May-17

Stealthy has been living under a rock.

From: sitO

07-May-17

No Jeff, he lives under a feeder with an Xgun

From: z hunter

07-May-17

What unit did you apply for Eric?

From: Quinn @work

07-May-17

Hopefully they send us NR's 2 buck tags again this year. It was really nice to have a bonus extended season last year. NR's were able to shoot the first 1.5 year old buck that walked by and then concentrate on shooting a big-un :).

Getting ready to go out in 2 weeks to start filling corn in the feeders. We got 4 more new feeders to add to the 10 we already have on our leases. Should pull the big bucks in from miles away with the amount of does we're keeping on the property. In addition to the land we were able to talk a landowner into pulling from WIHA last year, this year we were able to lease another 2 sections. Landowner said they were sick and tired of the locals hunting for nothing, leaving gates open, leaving trash and driving through their crop fields. He even said he'd sell us sour corn from his bins at $1/bushel.

Season can't get here soon enough. Good luck in the draws.

From: sitO

08-May-17

Quinn from "Harlequin Romance" chimes in with his yearly fairytale... precious.

From: Doe

08-May-17

Z,,,, zone 15 like i do every year. Did well last year killed a 142" ten point on my second day. No bait, and with my Hoyt.

From: writer

08-May-17

Have fun, Doe. You can't be hunting too far from where we live. First NR season was in the mid 90s. 94 or 96.

From: stealthycat

08-May-17

"As it turns out, seven of the state's 18 management units will offer non-resident tags. Two of those, however, will issue only antlerless permits to non-residents."

What I read for the 1994 passage .... I know I applied and drew in fall 1999 so maybe the unit i was applying for was one that had just opened or ??

Anyway yes, 1994 it was, I didn't know that.

From: Westksbowhunter

08-May-17

Quinn sounds like a top notch hunter. A great example for the next generation of hunters.

From: Doubleforky

08-May-17

Doubleforky's Link

Last year results were out May 17th

From: z hunter

08-May-17

Last yr was the 1st time the total number of nr applicants exceeded the overall tag quota. There were 12561 nr archery tags, that includes youth and mule deer. With 9255 ml/firearm tags..it used to be the other way..say hello to the xgunner who is now coming to ks.. It will be interesting,..imo, archery tags will go up a few hundred more.. The state is already considering reducing archery opportunities...well, so they said..i doubt the legislature allows them to lower tag quota for whitetail.. They are so kindly reducing resident opportunity for mule deer..but no change to nr hunters..not yet anyway..

From: writer

09-May-17

They're saying the end of May, hoping people will quit calling. They lose thousands of $$$$ is staff time every year, answering the phone, taking calls from impatient non-residents.

Whew, thanks for helping out there, Stealthy... Don't know what us poor resident idiots who've been here for 8 generations, 150 years, remember where we were the day non-resident deer hunting passed the legislature, wrote about the entire process and have written a few thousands articles about the Kansas outdoors, would do without non-residents who come to Kansas a week or two a year keeping us educated.

"just having some fun with you guys. Geez."

Kyle, you're starting to make more and more sense to me...and that should worry us, both.

From: tacklebox

09-May-17

Sure wish they'd do the resident elk draw earlier like in May / June..... Not that I'll ever draw anyway :)

From: stealthycat

09-May-17

writer - I asked a question, nothing more, nothing less

From: Doe

09-May-17

writer, i would like to meet you this year when we are out if you are available.

From: writer

09-May-17

Doe...you mean like over a beer you're buying? :-) I live in Newton, work a couple of the days per week in Wichita and "research" a lot in Butler, Reno and Stafford counties.

From: Doe

10-May-17

i will most def buy the beer. We hunt with in 15 mins of the cabelas

From: writer

10-May-17

Good enough...I'm through whatever area you're hunting several times a week.

From: Whitetail Xtreme

10-May-17

Gets sort of frustrating reading all the negative comments about NR Hunters. Notwithstanding the fact that NR's bring hundreds of millions in revenue to the State of Kansas, all NR hunters I know abide by all game laws.

From: writer

10-May-17

writer's Link

Here you go, Extreme Whitetail -- About 30 non-resident hunters and could have been 60 or more but there were problems with statute of limitations, and wardens focusing on the most egregious of the bunch. Largest trophy deer poaching ring in the nation, at least at the time. All from two states.

I've also done stories on groups from Michigan, Minnesota and Tennessee getting caught with some of the most infamous poaching cases in the nation, for that year. Of course that's the minority, like poachers are within residents, but spare me the "we're saints and all y'all are sinners" line, please. And sure you bring in millions, but how many thousands of hours of quality experience are Kansas residents out because of all the leasing and outfitting? Sure, it's the landowner choice. (Save the defensiveness, Turk) and I've hunted or fished in 26 states. Oh, and in the early 90s I helped push for limited non-resident deer hunting so Kansas didn't eventually lose out on some important federal funds. Sure caught hell from some residents. Not the first "thank you" from a non-resident. :-)

From: crestedbutte

10-May-17

Article was written in 2011. Butler got over 3 years jail time and 3 years supervised probation. Assuming his jail time served was really in the neighborhood of about 2 yrs. due to "good time" and he didn't violate his 3 years of supervised probation he should of been clear of all this sometime last year 2016?

Wonder if he is again operating a guide/outfitting biz in KS? If so, I hope they are tailing him from state line to state line.

From: drbonner

10-May-17

google High Roller Whitetails in Center, Texas

From: z hunter

11-May-17

Sry i looked, sick and disgusting.

From: keepemsharp

11-May-17

Brian, have to agree looked at their site, truly sickening, should be illegal.

From: stealthycat

11-May-17

breeding whitetails like cattle and making a fortune ... who'd have thought that 30 years ago ?

From: ksq232

11-May-17

"Hundreds of millions"? I think we're getting a little extreme there Extreme... good grief. Believe it or not, not every nr hunter is spending $5000 to hunt here.

From: Whitetail Xtreme

11-May-17

I don't spend $5,000.00 to hunt either but when you add in NR Tags and license, rental truck, airline tickets, lodging , meals , Cabela's and all the other money spent it's pretty darn close. Looking to buy my own farm out there soon. It's just pretty funny reading all the posts how NR are ruining deer hunting in Kansas. I don't think that is the case at all.

From: sitO

11-May-17

Of course you don't, newsflash...you live in Georgia. Have you ever seen a deer before?

From: Whitetail Xtreme

11-May-17

I've seen a few how about you ?

From: keepemsharp

11-May-17

There are many here that can attest to the erosion of the hunting experience in the last 20 years and it's all because of scoring antlers and big money corruption.

From: Whitetail Xtreme

11-May-17

I get what you guys are saying. Nothing and I mean nothing is the way it was 20-30 years ago. I see all the same posts on the Georgia Forums slamming Florida hunters about driving up lease prices, baiting, trespassing and blah, blah , blah....I go fish Florida waters every year and our family enjoys their beaches so why would I complain when they want to enjoy deer hunting in Georgia. A coca cola used to be a nickel and people used to let you hunt for free. Not so any longer. I just work harder so I can afford more to enjoy my hobbies. Good Luck and Happy Hunting to all of you .

From: keepemsharp

11-May-17

I would venture to guess that the Florida waters you fish are not privately owned?

From: sitO

11-May-17

That was kind of a joke Walter...but sadly no I haven't. I did play Cabelas Big Game Hunter once though so...

Happy hunting to you as well, and keep on "out working" everyone...you're so Xtreme ;?)

From: Whitetail Xtreme

11-May-17

HaHa you guys are rough.

From: ksq232

12-May-17

I would venture to guess the waters in Florida were not leased either... I applaud you investing in land here, as a matter of fact, it's about to be a buyers market, gas and oil guys are selling like crazy in Montgomery and Chautauqua counties, they can't afford their luxuries with the price of oil per barrel. One thing I'd recommend, if you do buy land you better get to know a neighbor real well, or all of those dishonest residents will be on your land like ticks on a poodle when you're gone.

From: Whitetail Xtreme

12-May-17

Haha I may have to move there but I do know the neighbors quite well.

From: Scooby-doo

12-May-17

I would agree there are no good deer left in Kansas, go to Kentucky or Ohio and buy a farm. The NR's like me have ruined it for everyone! :-)

From: Thornton

14-May-17

Whitetail- You must not know many NR hunters. In the 4 years I guided, a large percentage of the hunters that showed up tried to convince me to let them do something illegal. One outfitter I worked for bought up all the transferable tags he could and leased ranches 100 miles away in different units to put hunters on. Had a Florida guy argue with me while he was in the stand because he wanted to shoot a "cull" buck and keep hunting. Had a magazine writer show up to hunt turkeys. While I was showing him the layout of the ranch, he sped up and promptly wounded a turkey next to the roaD out his truck window with a 12 gauge. I put another Arkansas guy on a nice 140" buck and he missed it 3 times at 100 yds. Before he left, he stole a really nice climber. After 4 years of this and landowners wanting more money, I quit when I got accepted into a college program. Best decision I ever made. It is a greed driven sport and many of the locals I know will now decline money because they know how you NR operate. I've gotten a few of my old permissions back, bought 2 places for my own, and all is well in the world.

From: Westksbowhunter

14-May-17

Scooby you talk as if you have been hunting here for as long as I have, since the 70's!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Whitetail Xtreme

14-May-17

Thornton you are right. I don't like to hunt with many people so it's just me and a friend . I know how we hunt and we respect the property of our friends/landowner. I didn't know there were "transferable tags". The "magazine writer" must have been a non-ethical person with no morals and I avoid people like that. Why would you not report that to the local authorities ? I would never steal anything and it would be hard to fly home with a nice climber. Where I hunt in Kansas I've never seen a tree you could hang a climber on. Most everything now is driven by greed and please don't lump me in with the "NR" you refer to. I have been fortunate to be "taken" in by a few local family's that are more than happy to see me and allow me to hunt their farms. Not all NR hunters are bad .

From: writer

15-May-17

Dunno, extreme, seems quite a few non-residents grade us all the same on Bowsite?

Fair's fair...

From: Forest bows

16-May-17

I grew up in Colorado.... more people come here to hunt than anywhere else! our towns would double in population when I was a kid. Every one in orange. Kansas does not know out of state hunting pressure. most likely never will.

From: Matte

16-May-17

I disagree respectively there Forrest. Hunted Elk every year there since I was out of High School 20+ years ago. I have lived in Kansas all my life and why we do not have the massive numbers we also don't have the the massive amount of public, hard to get to places like Colorado has. Thus the good public spots are often easily over ran and somewhat crowded. Ran into one other hunter all Elk Season only a Mile or so back. Now if you cruise the roads yes you will see others but at about a mile most boot tracks disappear.

From: Westksbowhunter

16-May-17

I thought that Colorado had over 35% of its land open to public hunting where as Kansas was less than 10%. That changes the game. Correct me if I am wrong Forest!!!!! Also Forest, do you think we get very many out of state pheasant hunters?????? We might know a little about hunting pressure.

From: Scooby-doo

16-May-17

Jeff, only 3 times but I have been lucky each year. I do think it sucks for the residents as everywhere ya turn, mags, TV, the net everyone says it is where ya gotta go for big whitetails. I will be back next year as I bought a point. I am gonna go ruin Nebraska, South Dakota this year!! Shawn

From: Forest bows

16-May-17

I did a quick search and it seems like all the nonres deer and pheasant Combined in Kansas is not half of non resident elk hunters Colorado sees..... Then there is deer bear sheep ECT.....

From: leftee

17-May-17

Scooby sorry to hear you're coming to SoDak this year.Just kidding.You'll be welcomed by 'tourism' and hated by some 'locals'.Same crap,same threads everywhere every year.Boring.Stupid.Shallow. Want numbers of non-res hunters?Check out SoDak pheasant hunters.Come from all over the world and at some airports are treated like war heroes with free shells,hats etc.Do some resident hunters suffer?Of course.Here,there,everywhere.Same deal,same arguments,same futility. Rationalize it as good for huntings future?You know,we need more hunters etc.Not true IMO but reality suggests suck it up and move on guys.

From: Westksbowhunter

17-May-17

Post your data so we know you are not blowing smoke!!!!

From: leftee

17-May-17

Westks not sure what 'data' U are looking for or if you're asking me but if so and memory serves,SD sells about 100,000 non res pheasant licenses annually as opposed to about 70,000 res licenses. Plus non-residents can,and many do,buy a second or more license for additional 5day periods. Those are pheasant only and don't include deer.

From: Forest bows

17-May-17

Jeff I hunt both states have lived in both states. The hunting presher is almost non existent in Kansas. Maybe the small public place you hunt gets hammered.

From: Forest bows

17-May-17

Looked up non res deer tags in Kansas. Only gave out 25,000! 250,000+ non resident hunt elk in Colorado

From: writer

17-May-17

That's quite a bit of pressure, since RMEF estimates the entire elk herd in Colorado at around 250,000, that's not counting residents. You sure about those numbers, Forest?

From: Forest bows

17-May-17

It's hard to find number for OTC but most years success is under 20% rifle 12% archery.

From: lk2bowhnt

17-May-17

I dont understand the hate my best friends dad owns 269 acrs outside sedan for years we couldnt hunt it when. They opened it up to nrs we started to put in for tags unit 11 12 hard to draw we dont poach cheat cross fences it sucks when u have a place to hunt but cant hunt it

From: Westksbowhunter

17-May-17

Like I said Kansas has less than 10% of its land open to public hunting. So the pressure is concentrated. That number is not hard to find!!!!!!!!!!!! Comparing to totally different states is foolish.

From: stealthycat

17-May-17

250,000 non-res hunt elk in CO ? I'm not sure that's accurate ...

I found this

The combined number of big game and small game hunting licenses sold in fiscal 2011-12 was: resident 489,327 and nonresident 86,493. The state doesn’t break down big game vs. small game, but the vast majority of nonresident license sales are big game.

From: Westksbowhunter

17-May-17

"I dont understand the hate my best friends dad owns 269 acrs outside sedan for years we couldnt hunt it when. They opened it up to nrs we started to put in for tags unit 11 12 hard to draw we dont poach cheat cross fences it sucks when u have a place to hunt but cant hunt it"

What the hell are you trying to say??????????????

From: lk2bowhnt

17-May-17

Just seems like res dont want nr hunting there even if were not keeping them from hunting the land we hunt just lays there when we dont hunt it unless res are tresspasing

From: lk2bowhnt

17-May-17

Just seems like res dont want nr hunting there even if were not keeping them from hunting the land we hunt just lays there when we dont hunt it unless res are tresspasing

From: Forest bows

18-May-17

Even 75000 non resident in Colorado is 3-1 to Kansas Non resident.

From: LTG 11

18-May-17

Starting in November, everything within 1.5 hour to 2 hours of Kansas City is absolutely overrun. Last year was just ridiculous, too many people, not enough land.

From: Matte

18-May-17

If you used that logic. PLA÷Nr= 306 PLA in Colorado. Kansas=18 PLA PLA = public land acres. That is the biggest difference Forrest.

From: stealthycat

18-May-17

in the past 3-4 years its been a real change where I hunt with all the leasing/subleasing and "outfitters"

at the point, as a non-res who loves to hunt KS I wish they's reduce tags for non-res by 50-75% so that maybe I draw once every 2-3 years

its not fair at this point that locals and young people can't find places to hunt because of all the high dollar leased up lands - I think anyone hunting KS can recognize that

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

why not just put in every 2 yrs then, we put in every year and only draw every other year as it is i dont understand how us hunting private land that belongs to family hurts res. hunters who cant hunt this land anyway

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

From: Westksbowhunter

18-May-17

Matte there is no logic with Forest. He has it in his head that KS doesn't have much hunting pressure.

From: Forest bows

18-May-17

I only hunt 2 units Jeff. I don't see any pressure where I hunt. I'm sure that what your use to it seems like alot. Your state lacks money to manage the land and deer already so y'all are kind of stuck. Growing up in Colorado and hunting public I'm use to seeing lots of hunters so when I hunt Kansas I love not ever seeing anyone. I don't hunt public in fact I lease a bunch of land. I all so love to get kids involved in hunting. I do see how guys leasing land could take opportunity away from kids...... I have been thinking and if you guys know of a couple kids I would like to host them for youth week. Would love to have kids who got there spot taken because of out of state guys leasing land.

From: Forest bows

18-May-17

Matte I love that math and was trying to figure that out. 1 thing I will say is no elk lives on 300arc but a buck will live on 18. The other is lots of public in Colorado don't have elk. Most all I know of in Kansas hold deer. I would of loved to hunt Kansas 30 years ago. And if I did I would be pissed off now about all the hunting presher I'm sure.

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

I like forest we to would love to take a res youth hunter out on our land

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

From: stealthycat

18-May-17

"The other is lots of public in Colorado don't have elk. Most all I know of in Kansas hold deer"

You hunt a vastly different part of Kansas than I do then.

From: Forest bows

18-May-17

From: Forest bows

18-May-17

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

My 17 yr grandson first bow kill we do have deer in okla

From: lk2bowhnt

18-May-17

From: writer

18-May-17

Forest, I can help you get a good kid for youth season. He's shot some does, but no bucks. He's part of the Big Brothers program and his Big has lost most of his places to hunt. Boys name is Anthony. NRA did a tv show with him, and his big, when they were in videoing Jake and me.

From: Forest bows

19-May-17

Writer that would be great! Sounds perfect.

From: Quinn @work

19-May-17

Forest,

Nice work. Thanks for saving the "draw date" thread.

I look forward to the draw date for the same reason as you..... So our friends and our kids have the opportunity to hunt deer in KS. Yes, it's a privilege, same as a NR hunting Elk here in CO.

I'm excited for the NR draw date just as many. I also can't wait to find out if my 10 year old daughter drew her first deer tag.

Hope you guys chase some big bucks this fall.

From: Scooby-doo

19-May-17

There are pockets of public land in Kansas that does not get pressure, but i agree with Matt and others that for the most part depending when you hunt, there is a lot of pressure on public. Go early season and you may not have much, but go from late Oct til Thanksgiving and there is plenty of folks hunting. I also agree that with 87 thousand NR's buying licenses in Colorado cannot be compared to Kansas as acre per acre Colorado has much more public land. Hell where I hunt in Kansas I see as many Colorado plates as I do Kansas plates out hunting. Shawn

From: Westksbowhunter

19-May-17

Scooby you hit the nail on the head!

From: lk2bowhnt

19-May-17

How many guys on here hunt public

From: lk2bowhnt

19-May-17

Does scooby still live in new york

From: Forest bows

19-May-17

I agree it would suck to hunt public when over 90% of the state is private.

From: Thornton

20-May-17

Shot my biggest on public. Took me ten years to figure out how to even see big bucks on the public 15 minutes from my house. Agreed it is hunted very hard and most wont even try it. A really high success rate for OTC bull in CO is only 30%. Most units have a much lower success rate than that. I always see lots of elk in CO when I go. so far I'm 4 bulls for 5 or 6 hunts. CO has many times more public land than KS and most elk hunters go home empty handed.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

We have same problems in okla from what i read 97 percent of ok is private owned .we have some great public but most is real small patches with not much on it im 60yrs old and cant get around like i use to so walk in hunting dont cut it any more thats why we try to draw for ks where my best friends family owns a coulple hundred acr not much but plenty for two guys we just love to hunt its not about big racks for us i just live the piece i get from hunting taking a deer is a bonus deer hunting what use to be a regular mans sport has been taken over by the wealthy im far from that i have a problem just comin up with money for my nr deer tag any more sometimes think about giving it up let the rich bastards have it

From: Scooby-doo

20-May-17

Yup, still live in NY at least for 3 more years. We have lots of public land. Come hunt here. I would welcome you! The Adirondack park has 3 million acres ya can hunt. You may hunt it 10 years before you even see a 130" buck but most likely a lot longer. I hunt public in Kansas and private. I have been lucky maybe as I have have seen several bucks well over 140"s on public and I am not ashamed to admit I blew it on 2 of them. One an 8pt. over 155"s. I think it has a lot to do with how hard ya want to work for a good buck. If you do the work and the scouting, even on public in Kansas ya have a chance. The way I see a lot of NR's hunting in Kansas I would not worry about them killing big deer if I was a resident. Hell most shoot the first 120 that walks by as that is a bug buck for them. Shawn

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

Had a friend from ny met him in the 90s he had a pic on his desk that showed a pickup bed full of big bucks killed in ny somewhere most impresive pic i ever saw

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

Why do why have to score bucks? 120, 130, 140, 155, etc. They are always smaller than what people project by 20 inches and less than 10% of hunters ever have them officially scored anyway. So it is really meaningless. All scoring has done is commercialized hunting. When I began hunting there was no such thing as scoring only counting.

Scooby how in the hell do you know that deer was over 155 inches and why would we believe you!!!! There is only one way to know and this is to kill it and have officially measured. Otherwise it is just a "Fish Story"!!!!!!!!!!! Why not say you blew it on a nice mature deer, then I would put more stock in it.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

Ive never scored a single deer ive taken never mounted one dont know that i ever will i hunt because i love to hunt not count points i due admire a big buck deer but dont see how there wourth 5 to 10 grand to kill one

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

Frank now your talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have measured a couple of mine. By my measurements (math skills not good which is why I teach PE) I have a couple of dandy's.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

I really havent jeff if i get a nice eight with big body im happy the deer we kill in kansas compared to ok have so much more weight that is what impreses me i killed slick eight prob three year old guted 200lb that is what makes me happy

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

I have made a few european mounts and cut off some antlers but never mounted one dont really have a place to hang one. Or want to stare at it all the time

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

I have about 30 shoulder mounts in the garage that I am about ready to give away. My old way of thinking was to mount every buck I shot, now I see what a waste of money it was 35 years later. European mounts are the only way to go.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

Its funny how we change as we get older when i was young we didnt see deer you almost had to go outa state to hunt i started hunting ks in 70s i love to bird hunt cant walk that long any more bad knees miss those days we hunted beverly ks area some of the bigest whitails i ever seen

From: Forest bows

20-May-17

Let's see a picture of your mounts Jeff

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

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20-May-17

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20-May-17

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20-May-17

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

These are some pics from a few years back of a few.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

You should have taken up taxedermy

From: z hunter

20-May-17

Frank, shhh

From: Forest bows

20-May-17

Couple studs in there.

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

At least hes not gripey tonight brian id rather look at his deer pics than listen to him gripe just kidden jeff

From: lk2bowhnt

20-May-17

Are u guys as wet up there as we are in ok lakes are way up everywhere no drought this year

From: Westksbowhunter

20-May-17

Soaked, and I never gripe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: z hunter

20-May-17

z hunter's Link

Today

From: Ksgobbler

20-May-17

My creek bottom has been flooded since early April. Finally dropping and we got 2.6" of rain the last 2 days.

From: Westksbowhunter

21-May-17

I was hoping Scooby could score these deer in the pics for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Scooby-doo

21-May-17

I see at least one over 150"s. :-)

From: z hunter

21-May-17

Cant believe one of these nr hunters havent called the tag vendor,..in ny,..to see if they drew the tag...deerman406 has the phone number if you need it.

From: Kansasclipper

21-May-17

Scooby the buck in the second picture field dressed just under 275 lbs. When the warden come to check him for chronic wasting he just stood with his mouth open looking at the size of his body. The taxidermist had use the largest form that McKenzie made to do the mount. His body size takes away from the size of his rack.

From: lk2bowhnt

21-May-17

From: Forest bows

21-May-17

Why do you have 2 handles?

From: lk2bowhnt

21-May-17

Forest it took 2 guys to kill all them

From: KC

21-May-17

Scooby has 3 handles

From: z hunter

21-May-17

Cellphone/homeputer Some ppl have 8,.. with split personalities and dual citizenship

From: lk2bowhnt

21-May-17

Thats fricken funny

From: Kansasclipper

21-May-17

Hope Scooby and I don't get deported from Bowsite. Actually I have a handle for bowsite and a handle for leatherwall. Just depends which I log into first. Think I might get a third alias for the Colorado forum so I can troll Forrest!

From: lk2bowhnt

21-May-17

This should be a tv show the real lookdearhunters of kansas

From: writer

21-May-17

If I have three handles, that means I can get three buck permits, right?

West....I'm more interested in the pheasant feathers, personally.

I stopped taxidermy about 10 years ago, and went to Euros. Now, I don't even do those.

Someday, they'll probably all be dog chews...

From: sitO

22-May-17

Hell I just take pics/video Mike HDYLMK

From: Kansasclipper

22-May-17

Writer I am a little worried about what the pheasant hatch might be like. Maybe they can double the price of deer permits to help stock some birds this fall. Right now I am praying for a heat cycle in the next week so I can get Turk a puppy, and maybe one for myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Might have to get some dog viagra for my male.

From: writer

22-May-17

I'm fairly optimistic about the pheasant production. No shortage of cover, and there will be bugs out the wazoo. Hopefully it'll rain just enough to postpone the harvest a bit, but not hurt the yields. I'm ready for more of what we had last year.

From: z hunter

23-May-17

I have seen more roosters the past 2 months than i have seen in a decade..more rain here this morning and another storm this evening..

From: Scooby-doo

23-May-17

Yes, I have 3 handles as I have had a couple new computers and one from my cell phone. The site will not let you delete your old info so it keeps saying someone exists with that name. I don't know why people care so much, maybe they need to get a life. I do not try to hide who I am. Shawn, deerman 406 and Scooby! (LOL)

From: stealthycat

23-May-17

and still no draw

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

Found these just so. Of 166hwy jeff u think they are ks deer headed so for saftey

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

Found these just so. Of 166hwy jeff u think they are ks deer headed so for saftey

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

Sorry had trouble loading pics these deer taken 2mile outside tulsa city limits

From: writer

23-May-17

I'm just guessing those might be gun kills. Are those considered trophy gun kills for that area?

From: lk2bowhnt

23-May-17

I think that there real nice deer considering where they were taken when you consider that they were taken so close to city limits of tulsa my buddy and son take deer like this every year just wanted to share how good hunting is geting down here if you can find a place to hunt our problems are the same here finding a place to hunt thats why i hunt sedan got nowhere down here to hunt cant afford high doller lease

From: z hunter

23-May-17

Ks has 190+ bucks living in metro areas. A massive 214" 6pt was killed near okc last yr.. Many metro areas often have lots of very large bucks.. Ok has some great deer, very much a sleeper state, i have numerous trail cam pics of several 150, 160, 170+ bucks which resided in ok last yr..all survived that i know of..

Score numbers are hypothetical and based on pure speculation with estimates being based upon a number of different criteria..all opinions...if you would rather have point counts..i can also provide those

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

Its not a sleeper state any more texas guys leasing up land all over so east and no cenrral

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

What part of ks are you in brian

From: z hunter

24-May-17

The worst part, lol

From: writer

24-May-17

Called Pratt today on another matter, and asked. Now they're saying draw results may not be up until early June.

From: z hunter

24-May-17

Edit,.."early july"

Hehhehheh

From: stealthycat

24-May-17

did they say why they're so delayed on the draw ?

From: Kansasclipper

24-May-17

Probably have to print more tags!!!!!! Got a make sure we don't leave anyone out!!!!!!

From: sitO

24-May-17

Will that give you enough time to dump yer failure pile and cock yer "bow" Stealthy?

From: rickthom36

24-May-17

I have a TX friend who told me that they posted a few mins ago.

From: z hunter

24-May-17

Check yer email inbox boys,..payment notifications are going out

From: Rack101

24-May-17

Just received email from Pratt confirming payment. I think this should mean that I was successful in draw.

From: Tejas

24-May-17

You tag application was paid for when you put in for the draw. Why would you be receiving an email confirming payment now???

From: Rack101

24-May-17

Not sure. But no credit due. And on DNR site on my account it shows privilege number active with the units I applied for.

From: Rack101

24-May-17

I can also see license number assigned. Definitely successful!!

From: z hunter

24-May-17

Ny and wv guys have draw confirmation..at least some..

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

My email is at my work computer i dont see anything posted on kdwp

From: drbonner

24-May-17

Looks like I'll be coming back for 2017 season as well...

From: z hunter

24-May-17

Ga and wi hunters reporting successful draw

From: Kansasclipper

24-May-17

Lets see if anyone posts an unsuccessful draw.

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

How do ks guys no what these other states are drawing

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

How many res on here are guides or outfiters

From: z hunter

24-May-17

Just me,..all the others are scared to post here

From: lk2bowhnt

24-May-17

How are the nr getting their confermation on email?

From: Kansasclipper

25-May-17

Z LMAO that was a good one!

From: z hunter

25-May-17

;)

wv, ny, ar, and tx hunters all reporting successful applications

Oops, another from tx was successful.. woohoo,..its Christmas in May!

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Maybe the kdwpt is upset with all the oklahoma border hoppers so they are denying many oklahoma tags.. same goes for co, mo, & ne..

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Thats alright id rather hunt at night anyway

From: foxwillkill

25-May-17

My grandson 10 years old just got notice that he drew a tag for unit 13. We are so excited.

From: Kansasclipper

25-May-17

When my son was 10 he could not even get a resident tag.

From: z hunter

25-May-17

There you go Frank,...lol humor! I like it...even if its the truth...it was funny!

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Buddy got his so mabey ill get to hunt daylight hrs. Z

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

brian im to darn old to hop fences if there ait no gate im in trouble

From: kscowboy

25-May-17

Kansasclipper, you are exactly right. I was raised in KS and I waited to be 14 just to have it all changed right when I turned 14. I believe they reduced the bowhunter age to 12 that year. Now we have a special youth season and no age limit. I shot my first deer in Colorado because the age restriction was 12.

From: Doe

25-May-17

apparently us PA boys didn't get a permit.

From: foxwillkill

25-May-17

Things change. When I was 12 there was no deer hunting for any age in Kansas. I'm sure glad that changed. I never saw a deer in the wild in Kansas until I was 16. I'm glad that changed. Things will not stop changing, some for the good and some for the bad. Some of that depends on perspective. But we just like the deer if we wish to survive have to adjust to the changes. OK, I'm done preaching know. I happy my 10 year old grandson will have a chance to harvest a deer the land I shot rabbits on when I was his age.

From: Kansasclipper

25-May-17

Cowboy that is good old Liberalism. Got to give everyone what they want.

From: writer

25-May-17

Clipper, it is good ol' common sense. Parents know more about what their kids can and can't do than the government. Boys like a young Cowboy and my kids, had been around more guns, safe gun handling and hunting than 95% of the 16 year-olds when they were 10 or 12. Wonder how many thousands of .22 rounds the three of you had shot by the time you were 14, Cowboy? I had to take our son to TX one year, and NM the next so he could hunt turkeys because then the minimum age in Kansas was 12. He had the brains and physical coordination to excel at martial arts, score a 23 on the ACT (did better in high school), but couldn't hunt turkeys with his dad? I had to take our daughter to TX to hunt deer when she was 13, because she was too young to hunt in Kansas. With girls, especially, if you don't get them hooked by the time they're about 12 or 13 the odds of getting them into hunting and shooting drop, a lot. Never, ever, made since that a kid could hunt quail, possibly our most dangerous type of hunting, but not be able to hunt deer or turkeys with a parent sitting right there with them. Hope you're there with your grandson when he makes it happen, Fox. Great memories for all of you.

From: Doe

25-May-17

just curious, where are you looking to see if you drew or not?

From: KC

25-May-17

I am from NY and didn't get a tag this year. But then again I didn't put in for one either. h

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Hey Frank, you know how it used to be illegal to carry a rifle while you are bow hunting while only possessing an archery tag?

The state,..in their infinite wisdom has done away with that law..now you can carry a bow, a rifle, a shotgun, and your handgun,..all at the same time.

I can hardly wait for this november..shooting quail on the walk to my stand..smoking a yote from long range with my 300wm about 3pm,...still plenty of time for mr buck to move...and i got my self defense handgun....just in case.

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Thats funny i know where we hunt i have had my heart in my throat several times steping in middle on covey of quail roosting the guy that runs cows on our place is always telling us about a cat that he sees it does make me want to pack a pistol in the morning

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Im also very curious

#1. Did Creedxs decide to hunt Ks and did he draw a tag?

#2. Did TxRanger draw his tag ;?)

From: Bowdoctor05

25-May-17

To those who received an email, it is only an acknowledgement that the drawing took place. Results not out until next week and that is why you can't find the link for drawing status. This is per a phone call I just made to Kansas

From: z hunter

25-May-17

What are you saying John?

I know people who have seen an online verification that they drew the tag, it also shows which units they drew from their 4 choices.

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Their tags are showing up under their kdwpt# which lists their privledges, as well as it allows them an option to purchase a replacement tag,..which is further verification of a successful draw.

From: TXRANGER

25-May-17

Texas reporting in. I drew !

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

myself and buddy put in group hunt he got email i havent they told me drawing is still going on may be end of month before it shows up thats from pratt

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Congrats! Now get up here and kill another little buck,...lol jk

Good luck Tx

From: TXRANGER

25-May-17

I spoke too soon. Looks like its just a receipt that my application order is in. I didn't read the fine print! Dang I was gonna celebrate tonight !

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Ok, all NR 1st choice draw is complete, starting to draw NR 2nd choice now,...we should have 3rd and 4th choice drawings complete by tuesday.

From: Thornton

25-May-17

Lots of tachycardia going on here with guys frantically trying to figure if they drew the land of the giants while our only "brave" outfitter counts his dollars and future corn expenses

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

hahahaha

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Coming from an outfitter that went "belly up" because he hates non residents..extremely funny.

Careful now men, theres a skirt in the room and she will pm nasty messages.

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

I think we all need to meet in salina sat night and drink some beers used to be a good honky tonk up there

From: z hunter

25-May-17

You make it to salina Frank..i'll be there Theres a small bar in Tescott..kind of on the way

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

We hunted between beverly and lincholn and i think tescot is right there to isent it we bird hunted that for 25yrs 70s and 80s stayed on a farm owned by jones family loved those people best bird hunting any where sure miss those days when hunting was fun now it seems like it ohmost not worth all this

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Brian do you deer hunt that area ther were monster deer up there back then seen them all the time we always wished we could hunt them we always hunted two weeks after opening weekend seemed like we had whole county to ourselfs

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Im a bit east of there, but yes..saline, ottawa, lincoln and mitchell counties

What unit are you hunting this yr?

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Were drawing for 11 buddys dad has 260ac bought 30yrs ago we have had it to ourselfs when we get lucky and get a tag used to get one every year not so much anymore if they pass new law for transfer tags will that include nr land owners?

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Did you vote hillary? I hope we never see xfer tags again..never

From: lk2bowhnt

25-May-17

Ha not hardley wish we could get tenet lese tags

From: sitO

25-May-17

Instead it's a free "hooked on phonics" CD with every tag this year...so win win

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Im not a outfitter..ima infitter..all my nr fam drew their tags..

From: Kansasclipper

25-May-17

No you get one of these this year! If you know the animal sounds and pass the test you get a preference point!

From: Thornton

25-May-17

Zcorn - I declined an offer x2 by Wes, owner of AE to manage two ranches, one near Pittsburg, KS "10,000 acres" and one near Ft. Collins, CO- 20,000 acres to go to college. There was no "belly up" but rather a very conscious decision to amount to something in life. Judging by your hysteria of acquiring another hunter, I suspect the outfitting business for you is not all its cracked up to be. While you are swatting flies hunting early season because your hunters will be hunting the prime rut, I suspect I'll be in some 3000 acre pasture in NM trying to topple a goat at 600 yds, or in the mountains of CO, drinking it all in.

From: z hunter

25-May-17

Lol,..i moved the stickers randomly around...now the dog crows like a rooster

From: JLeMieux

25-May-17

Our group was fortunate enough to draw again this year. This will be my 6th year in a row. Still looking for that first buck. I have a blast every year regardless. We usually bring up a cooler or two of some of our local seafood and cuisine to show our gratitude to folks who have helped us over the years. We only hunt public but have developed great friendships with some of the local farmers. Who knows, maybe we can convince a few more people each year that there are some ethical and grateful La hunters.

From: Doe

26-May-17

I retract my statement, We both drew. So that means we will be out chasing spikes and 4 pointers in November.

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

Doe you will see a lot them. They are behind every tree,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, we have hunters behind every tree!

From: Doe

26-May-17

I love coming to Kansas. I killed a 142" ten point last year and my buddy didn't have a mature deer in range, lots of dinks tho. We are very fortunate to have 320 acres all to our selves. Creek bottoms, cedar thickets and crop fields make up the property. Truly a piece of mid west heaven. Cant wait!!!

From: ksq232

26-May-17

Anybody not draw yet?

From: z hunter

26-May-17

There is 1 guy in AR who did not draw..applied for units 1&2

From: ksq232

26-May-17

Thanks Brian. Every year, regardless of what I hear the state saying, I wonder if they're going to just meet demand.

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

Doe did Scooby score that buck for you? If so, it won't make P&Y. 142 is generally a 3 year old deer, not always, but generally so in most cases. Hate to see those young deer shot.

From: Doe

26-May-17

nope. Officially scored here in PA. Will be in the next edition, and even if it was a 3 year old it is the biggest deer I've ever killed. In the process of mounting it right now.

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

If your happy with it that's all that matters. But this is why I get frustrated having hunted here for 35 years. A deer needs to reach at least 5 for maturity.

From: Doe

26-May-17

agree with that. but being it is my biggest ever i took the shot. Not over bait, no crossbow. This year I will only shoot one bigger if the opportunity comes along. I shoot no less than 20 a year here in Pa and NJ with my bow so a dink in Kansas is pointless for me

From: ksq232

26-May-17

Maybe not place to begin this debate, but I've seen many bucks over 5.5 years old that would score less than 140". We had pics of the same buck on our farm from 2009-2014 for example. Assuming he was 2.5 in 2009 he would have been 6.5 in 2014. My wife passed him thinking he was a younger deer, he was not big bodied. After reviewing her video footage for a bit after her hunt, it was clear she'd passed "Crabby" a 6.5 year old buck we'd been targeting for two years. He would have been lucky to reach mid 130s.

From: Creedxs

26-May-17

z hunter I did decide to hunt KS and I got conformation Wednesday night that I got drawn.

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

KSQ no doubt you are correct. Some deer genetically just won't score well regardless of age. But if 3 year old bucks are the norm with the liberal amount of tags available in this state, the age structure just won't let us produce the big deer we once had. I shot a 5.5 year old buck in 2014 that won't score much over 140. But he was a stud in the woods with heavy mass but only a 3x4.

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

Ok is this a reciept for the draw or does it mean i drew a tag this sure was easer the old way

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

What is this clipper

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

We had a 3x5 ran around us for years ugly head but hell of a buck would have taken him any time i could have

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

We had a 3x5 ran around us for years ugly head but hell of a buck would have taken him any time i could have

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

By the way how does even a biog. No a deer is 5.5 or 6 or 6.5 yrs old by there teeth bull $#!@@

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

Two guys hunting hey bob look at that big buck take him no jim i dont think so look at his ears i think he was born in april 2013 not old enough hell if hes what u want shoot him we gota wait for a five year old buck thats fricken funny i think ill kill first two year old i see just to piss sombody off not that i know hes two years old im guessing

From: z hunter

26-May-17

Frank, check the kdwpt website to see if you have the priviledge to hunt the units you selected,..as well as there should be a button or tab that will allow you to purchase a replacement tag... which would be a positive result to being drawn in the process.

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

Wher do you go on website p.s. did you like my boyb and jim storey

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

Website used to be so easy for years now its impos. To navigate esp by phone new website sucks

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

Actually that was kinda of ignorant!

From: sitO

26-May-17

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

so is aging a deer from the stand espesley when you got a few seconds to decide to draw or not i have mayby 6 or 8 days to hunt mainley weekends i dont have.your luxlurey of waiting for that five year old

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

Frank I can not make heads or tails of your posts. You do what you want. To have both quality and quantity of big deer, you have to let young deer grow old. We used to have that with a limited draw system for residents. I am no expert on how Oklahoma manages their deer herd nor do I care. But I do know how Kansas is managed and how the deer hunting has changed since I began wondering through the woods in the 70's. Deer had the opportunity to die of old age back then and it was easy to see a dozen mature deer in a season. Residents had to go through a draw system. The draw system for non residents now is very liberal compared to the draw system we had for residents prior to 1995.

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

You have a diff genetics diff strain of deer. Mang a deer herd that sounds like cattle there fricken wild you cant manage them they get hit by cars die of old age all kinds of stuff i bird hunted for years in ks know and met a lot of res people and i promise you more deer are kilked illeagly by res than non res and that dosent bother me they eat the damn things there deer you act like they are indangered i dont poach but you tags are so high i draw im killen they are deer no more than a cyote. Coon hog rabbit they are just worth al lot of fricken money botton line its about money do you even eat the things thats really the only reason i kill one is to eat. It dont really care age points im looking at size cause im frying it in bacon fat

From: Kansasclipper

26-May-17

Frank all I can say is OMG! Have a good season!

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

You to clipper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

You know jeff i can tell by youre mounts you have access to very good property thats great im happy for you the common man dosent have access to what you have we hunt small properties and public so dont begruge us for not being able to harvest the same kind of deer you can you killed all those deer in 35 years some of us dont get the oppertunity to kill one in a lifetime you dont realize how blessed you are

From: lk2bowhnt

26-May-17

From: Kansasclipper

27-May-17

Frank well over 75% of those deer were killed on public land and I hunt public land exclusively now. The last time I killed a deer on private ground was in 2011. So I would consider myself the common man. I am hunting the same ground you do so try again!

From: lk2bowhnt

27-May-17

What part of the state u in clip

From: Kansasclipper

27-May-17

I am everywhere. Actually west central but hunt a lot in southeast Kansas. I have killed deer in every corner and in the middle.

From: lk2bowhnt

27-May-17

Isent there some public between sedan and independance

From: lk2bowhnt

27-May-17

Isent there some public between sedan and independance

From: z hunter

27-May-17

Very few fall crops have been planted in northern ks..we had another storm this morning at 5am, as well as another moving out now..gonna be several days before we can do any field work...just in time for the next round of storms in the forecast..

From: Tejas

27-May-17

It's a good thing literacy isn't a pre-req applying for a tag! You fellas would have to put up with a lot more of Okies if it was !!

From: z hunter

27-May-17

z hunter's Link

Need a left over?

From: drbonner

27-May-17

Z, that's from 2016

From: z hunter

27-May-17

The numbers are current david, look at the link, again

From: Scooby-doo

27-May-17

Westkhunter, cause I can tell you for sure he was at least that. Not hard to get a darn close guess when ya have him at 12 yards for quite a bit of time. You keep complaining, I could really care less what ya think. I have not killed a ton of big deer as I do not hunt where they are, but I have scored enough to get pretty good at it. I could care less what ya believe. You cry about all the good hunting being gone, well I think there is still plenty of good hunting in Kansas and yes even on public or walk in. All the bitchin does not deter people from coming, is that not obvious?/ Shawn

From: drbonner

27-May-17

Every time I click on the link it says "2016 NonResident....."

From: drbonner

27-May-17

And the 7th time is a charm, it now say's 2017.

From: z hunter

28-May-17

The 2017 draw had 231 fewer participants than in 2016..Demand is down, the state should reduce the 2018 tag quota by 231. ;)

From: drbonner

28-May-17

does it show how many didn't draw and rec'd a PP?

From: z hunter

28-May-17

They havent released the 2017 pdf with complete draw results yet...or that i can find..

From: Cazador

28-May-17

Not sure why NRs suck up to these crab apples on this site. You can search long and hard to find attitudes likes these when your feet touch down in KS but I doubt you find attitudes like this.

West/Clipper is about the most negative guy you will ever find. I'm sure he bitches at the sun rising as well as setting.

Search his handle internet wide, he's a hack.

Have fun, enjoy the tag you drew and hunt it the way you want to and be sure to post it here with a big smile.

From: lk2bowhnt

28-May-17

Amen

From: lk2bowhnt

28-May-17

I wonder why 13 always has leftovers

From: z hunter

28-May-17

Because there is virtually no wiha property

From: Okiebowdoc

28-May-17

We are from Okla. and I have been hunting KS. 9 yrs. and seen the decline in big bucks during this time for sure . This yr. I did not put in for the draw so I put my son in for his first trip to KS, and he drew going to be a great time spending time with him in the tree. Good Luck to all

From: ksq232

28-May-17

Are you going to hunt the youth season? It may be the most underrated time of the season for shooting big bucks. Obviously, he can only hunt it if he's young enough. Our daughter shot an old buck two years ago and hit another buck too far forward last year that was even bigger, and he was still in velvet!

From: crestedbutte

28-May-17

My buddy from Massachusetts is on the board w/ his KS hunting priveledge! Would guess he is the only one or one of few from MASS hunting in KS this year.

He's been chomping at the bit all year waiting for his chance to hunt KS again after hunting last year with me during 2nd week of Nov. He is in awe of and instantly fell in love with the place in the Flint Hills that I hunt.

From: Kansasclipper

28-May-17

Cazador I have said nothing negative. Scooby lighten up and take a joke.

From: cherney12

31-May-17

Well....do we have a bunch of happy out-of-staters or what?!?!!?

From: StoneColdKiller

31-May-17

Just noticed they posted results!!

From: TXRANGER

31-May-17

Roger that ! Very happy

From: Forest bows

31-May-17

Heard the whole state of Alabama drew.

From: TXRANGER

31-May-17

And we all get 2 Buck tags AGAIN !

From: writer

31-May-17

Since when does only having one permit slow down non-residents in Kansas?...or seasons?...or weapon limitations,...or trespass laws, or... :-)

From: ksq232

31-May-17

I have a buddy who farms in Comanche county, his brother-in-law is the game warden out there too (he has to cover way too many counties!). I saw my buddy this past week at a wedding, hadn't seen him in nearly 9 years. Man, he has some stories to tell about his brother-in-law and his adventures with non-residents!!

From: writer

31-May-17

Comanche County was the heart of Operation Cimarron, probably the most blatant trophy buck poaching ring in history. Always a problem with Oklahoma hunters driving north of the line during the Okie firearms season to poach a deer. Funny, never hear much about Kansans heading into Oklahoma to poach deer.

From: Kansasclipper

31-May-17

Oklahoma, where men are men, and sheep are nervous!

From: spidermonkey

31-May-17

This is the FIRST time I've been on the "Kansas Exclusive" portion of this forum... All I can say is WOW! I realize in yalls mind all Texans are the devil. And, I would tend to agree with ya...if ALL Texans were as you portray them! Myself and all the guys in my huntin circle don't hunt over feeders/bait, hunt natural travel routes/food, sweat our butts off hangin stands gettin ready in August when it's 102 deg, fighting skeeters and cottonmouths along the way. So, I guess what I'm basically saying is there are actually a few "hunters" in Texas, that do it the old fashioned way. I killed my first deer with a bow in 1983, and have only hunted with a bow since... The last 10 with my longbow. But on the same hand, if somebody wants to hunt over bait, get after it, just ain't my thing. I think part of the irony in it, is there have been NR hunters in Texas waaay longer than there has been in Kansas. Heck, I can stop at the gas station up the road from my house on any Friday during spring/summer and see 7-8 or more out of state (Kansas included) plates on trucks and boats headed fishing at Lake Fork. Not saying a feller has to like NR coming in on his turf, but, I reckon ya have to live with it. I was wanting to try a NR DIY on public land, but now I figure if I was parked with Texas plates, I'll come back to my truck with a knife in my tire. :) My main point on this whole ramble is this; don't make Texas hunters ALL out to be unethical, lazy, corn-pile huntin, spotlighting, poaching, scoundrels... When they ain't. There are Texas guys that are pieces of crap just like I figure there are Kansas guys that are as well. Getting any pre-conceived notions about a whole state of hunters based on ones own personal experiences usually ain't the right answer I don't figure. Bout the only pre-conceived ideas I have bout Kansans is they love their Jayhawks, and they farm a lot of land. Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty

From: Thornton

01-Jun-17

What else would you expect spidermonkey? I mean, you guys practically invented NR hunting and fishing along with deer towers, corn feeders, deer leases, shooting crap at night and the list goes on.

From: writer

01-Jun-17

Nice lecture, Spidey...same one we get several times a year. Used to get pretty similar one from a couple of guys who eventually got sited for game law violations. Even though we're a bunch of dumb clods, we pretty well know Texans are like lawyers - those 90 percent sure give those other 10 percent a bad name! :-) Jason, Kyle, me...we've hunted public and private in other states, and helped a lot more non-residents hunt in Kansas than we've been helped in other states. But your comment about "they love their Jayhawks" shows how unfamiliar you are with the state. Only the most intelligent Kansans love Jayhawks. Some swear by their Shockers or Wildcats.

From: writer

01-Jun-17

From: leftee

01-Jun-17

Fake news?That's what 'writers' do I guess. Technically I'm still a NR but even with that disability I know the slobs trespassing on my Ks land are residents-as are the guys local law enforcement has warned me about.Third day I had cameras up I had locals walking by 'purple' to shed hunt.Perhaps they were only 3rd generation Kansans.

From: lk2bowhnt

01-Jun-17

From: lk2bowhnt

01-Jun-17

ha ha here we go again now that draw is done it will really get ugly

From: ksq232

01-Jun-17

Leftee, yep, you get trespassed on, like every other nr landowner of ANY state, most just expect it and live with it. I wouldn't put up with it, and that's why I'll never own land I don't live near. Our land is 14 miles from us, and we still get trespassed on occasionally. Have you ever read Robin Hood?

From: writer

01-Jun-17

Our main problem with trespassers are people relatives give permission to hunt our farm, which they have no right to do. Also have joggers come over from a nearby state park on one property. Pretty sure one pissed herself when I yelled at her, when she was right underneath the bur oak where I was trying to get a 13 year old his first bowkill. I'm just sure she had to be from Texas.... :-)

From: leftee

01-Jun-17

Ksq, Sadly I agree.If U live in a State and place worth hunting,you'll have trespassers-both foreign and domestic.Put up 27K worth of fences on my SoDak place to help prevent it.Problems with locals and non-res's.Pheasant road hunters the worst by far but deer and waterfowlers close behind. No State is immune from these problems and all have hunters who go elsewhere and become problems-seem to recall a few years ago even a former Miss Kansas violated in Alaska.

From: keepemsharp

01-Jun-17

I believe that Miss Kansas got some really bad outfitter advice and I hope she has it straightened out by now. Met her a few times and believe she is the real thing.

From: spidermonkey

01-Jun-17

Thornton, I ain't sure we invented the night-huntin, NR hunting and fishing, or whatever the list "goes on and on" is. But, I'm pretty sure you may be right on the box blind and feeder thing! I dont like em either! And writer, c'mon man, there ain't one thing I said that read Kansas folks are dumb clods. And your percentage analogy may be a little off, then again, maybe not! :) I cant speak for all the Texas folks. You are spot on in that I am unfamiliar with Kansas, I am sure you have your Wichita St. and K-State fans. In all fairness, there may be the possibility that you may not be familiar with Texas people as a whole either. Don't get me wrong, there are some definate idiots here, just like I'm sure there are everywhere. And I have yet to not help someone who needed help in finding a spot to hunt around here, be it resident or NR. If you were raised right, to respect others, the land you hunt on, and the people it belongs to, whether a landowner or a state, it really doesn't matter where we come from. Hope there ain't no hard feelings. Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty

From: Thornton

01-Jun-17

From what I hear, Former President Nixon used to go to a ranch in TX and shoot deer at night from a tower with spot lights. I agree Miss KS got a bad deal. Funny thing is leftee, your state of SD ALLOWS ROAD HUNTING for birds whether you agree with it or not. I keenly remember walking a ditch in pace some yuppies out in their prime, uncut, milo field. When they stopped walking, we stopped. We were shooting all the birds that ran into the ditch and there was nothing they could do about it but drive their trucks over and stare at us.

From: writer

02-Jun-17

Hey, Spider, check your private messages, please.

From: leftee

02-Jun-17

Thornton trust me I understand 'road hunting' very well.First of all 'road hunting' is a classic oxymoron.Regardless and fortunately,there is very little of it in my part of the State.Actually have never seen a 'road hunter' here.We have ditch pigs though.Mowed ditches and a fence sent them elsewhere.Sounds like U may qualify .

From: TXRANGER

02-Jun-17

90/10 ....that's funny right there ! Spider getting a PM apology. That's even funnier!

From: writer

02-Jun-17

Wasn't an apology, an explanation, and offer for assistance, like I've offered to many others, and compliment about being able to communicate in complete sentences. All's good. The 90/10 had the :-), because it's funny has heck about lawyers. Glad you're so easy to entertain, TX.

From: ksq232

02-Jun-17

Make sure you shoot your two bucks again this year Ranger, and this time, get caught, so we never have to hear from you again. Now that would be comedy!

Sorry Ranger, I had you mixed up with the fella last year who was bragging he was going to shoot two bucks with the tags he got. I forgot he was from New York, not Texas...:)

From: lk2bowhnt

02-Jun-17

You draw date guys are mean im coming to ks clip and im not bringing no sheep im coming for you

From: lk2bowhnt

02-Jun-17

Hey clit im sorry klip do you bow hunt with a 223

From: lk2bowhnt

02-Jun-17

Hey clit i mean clipper your alfull quite

From: lk2bowhnt

02-Jun-17

Hey clit i mean clipper you started the sheep stuff p.s. from a okie where a man is a g##;;&&dma@$!#:n man get u some come on down to sedan in nov.

From: lk2bowhnt

02-Jun-17

You guys remied. Me of catthy griffen

From: Charlie Rehor

03-Jun-17

Rodney King has drawn his first KS tag and wants to know "can't we all just get along"!

PS: Check out the pre-season discounted bulk corn deals at: www.sit0brand.com

There is a special coupon for NR's with free delivery any where in the state for purchases over $1,000.

From: sitO

03-Jun-17

LoL...you guys are drunk ;?)

From: writer

03-Jun-17

Not yet, Kyle, but trying to make sense out of some of these posts sure make me crave a few dozen cold ones. Sometimes going to Bowsite is like going to the State Fair -- a danged good way to help one's self-esteem.

From: drbonner

03-Jun-17

That's a good way to put it writer. I've laughed the last couple of days at this topic....

From: spidermonkey

03-Jun-17

Partaking of the spirit water only seems to lead to more confusion... For me anyway! And reading some of these posts, the last thing I would want would be a cloudy mind. Although it may help on the interpretation of some of em, if you were like-minded... So to speak. :) Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty

From: writer

03-Jun-17

Ray...PLEASE tell me the sixth graders at your school can do better?

Not even some here could have managed the A for Addison.

From: Hitman

03-Jun-17

"Sorry Ranger, I had you mixed up with the fella last year who was bragging he was going to shoot two bucks with the tags he got. I forgot he was from New York, not Texas...:)"

Hahahahaha Kansas douche bags killed 3 bucks last year and going to kill at LEAST 2 this year. This year the tags came out of Texas of all places....suck it bitches I lease 3000 acres and I am going to kill multiple bucks. NOTHING you can do about it.

Shawn is from NY as well. What a dip shit. I hope you guys do not think most people from NY are like him. What an embarrassment!

From: Thornton

03-Jun-17

Your mouth is big $hitman but I'm betting you are full of hot air. Post pics of you and those three bucks you supposedly shot

From: Hitman

04-Jun-17

Thornton of all the Kansas posters I have always thought you were the most challenged. I imagine with a name like Thornton your of English descent so breeding with your cousins was a common occurrence. Don't get me wrong I don't blame you for taking advantage of a walk out in the pasture with your first cousin and something happening out there. After all she was the only one for many miles. But I think in your case your about one chromosome away from being mentally retarded. I sure hope your first cousin is not in town tonight.

From: Scooby-doo

04-Jun-17

Yeah hitman is an idiot and I have offered to meet up with him to talk about but he is a pussy as everyone can probably tell. The internet is where people can talk all they want and not have to back it up. Good Luck to all who have drawn! Shawn

From: Kansasclipper

04-Jun-17

Are the people who moderate this forum on vacation?

From: Thornton

04-Jun-17

Sorry bud, but my wife is a solid "10" with her Master's degree.

From: Hitman

04-Jun-17

What happens in the pasture stays in the pasture!

From: Thornton

05-Jun-17

Kansasclipper- I have seen entire live hunts ruined by trolls and the moderator did not notice for about a month. However, if you tell off a sponsor and he is buddies with the moderator, watch out! They will let you know in a heartbeat.

From: TXRANGER

05-Jun-17

Mine is a 4 1/2 at best, and owns a Liquor and Feed store! Just sayin....

From: Quailhunter

05-Jun-17

It is hilarious where these go. It's almost as entertaining as the community forum. A close second I'd say...

From: Forest bows

05-Jun-17

They let guys who give shit get shit......... I like that. The mods know whats going on they just dont agree with you!

From: sitO

05-Jun-17

They like poachers too...don't forget that ;?)

From: Forest bows

05-Jun-17

So do I!! Best men I know. 100 times better than guys that think there shit don't stink. Those guys are worth less.

From: sitO

05-Jun-17

Well you're the authority on "worthless"... and it's one word btw - that means "by the way" ;?)

From: Forest bows

05-Jun-17

Yep I'm worthless too. Kyle is the closest thing to God! Loves forgives teaches model christian bow hunter for us all to look up to.

From: sitO

05-Jun-17

You took the bait?

From: Forest bows

05-Jun-17

no i pay for it.... the big deer i kill take it

From: sitO

05-Jun-17

Well at least you didn't say "the big deer I hunt"...because that would have been an oxymoron...heavy on the "moron"

Let me break it down a little for ya F'est, you said...and I quote "They let guys who give shit get shit......... I like that". Well I too enjoy the witty banter, so next time bring some wit cha ;?)

From: Forest bows

05-Jun-17

Yes sir! I'll try harder sir!

From: keepemsharp

05-Jun-17

It's been fun but I quit.

From: Thornton

05-Jun-17

I get what Sito is saying 100%. I've put two and two together and figured out who hunts with who. You can get away with saying or doing anything on here if you let guys hunt over your corn feeders.

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

Jason everyone in Eureka KS tells me your the biggest poacher they know. What's the story there?

From: writer

06-Jun-17

....and as well as helping with our self-esteem, the cool part about Bowsite is that we can show our wives they're not married to the most immature man in the world! :-)

From: Westksbowhunter

06-Jun-17

Stay thirsty my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

Forest- I suppose you are talking about the idiots I've referred to as the "squatters" since 1999? I noticed on Facebook they seem to be very chummy with you and your son. Probably just to get free hog hunts is my guess. I've been hunting that property since 1994 and your buddies decided to move all their feeders and stands onto the few ravines there are in about 1999. They have worn roads into the pasture to fill their feeders, thus, educating the deer. There are hardly any trees there, so when you scare a deer, they often run for more than a mile. Your buddy turned me in for no orange because I took it off with my coat to drag a doe out of a ravine after the hunt was over. Very hypocritical for a moron who I've seen running those draws on his 4 wheeler with no orange on himself during rifle season. Names are just that. I have no poaching charges unlike your best friends who you think so highly of, the friends that use you for a place to hunt, the friends who were defendents in Operation Cimmarron-the biggest poaching bust in KS history. Ask your friends why they can't hunt the 160 acres on Tadpole Creek south of Eureka anymore. My friend, who manages the property kicked them off because they were told not to hunt there anymore and they kept coming back.

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

Turned you in for driving your truck across the grass and shooting out of it with a rifle in archery season is the story more than one guys has told me. Funny the guys you all call poachers don't have any charges against them either. They were all dropped...... Just like you. But because they are from another state they are scum of the earth..

From: tacklebox

06-Jun-17

That went well....

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

You're as stupid as you sound. Shooting out of my truck in archery season????!!! LOL!!!! I've watched and videoed some monster bucks and I've never shot anything from the truck. Follow my semi live hunts. If I was what you say I am, I'd shoot a huge one every year

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

Your friends lost their hunting privileges for several years. Their charges were not "dropped" but rather they served the imposed sentence and paid thousands in fines. I see you don't understand legal matters either

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

Ok Jason you know so much tell me the charges they got!

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

Seeing as you got their version, maybe you should look it up. When it happened all us locals got to read Writer's article on it. I'm mowing yards right now

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

My friends were charged with Hunting/taking game in the wrong unit. They had a tag they shot one deer a year and went home. The guide they hired would take them in the morning to the stand and pick them up at night. The guide was crossing the unit line and my friends had no idea. Now a lot of bad things were happing in that camp but not all who hunted there knew. I have posted this before and you guys still don't believe it. Just like I don't believe you weren't shooting out of your truck. Fair is fair right

From: Westksbowhunter

06-Jun-17

If they have to be driven to a stand and picked up each night are they really hunters? Hiring someone to do all the prep work is not hunting. They are commercialized shooters at the mercy of their pimp!

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

You're right nobody that goes on at guided hunt is even a hunter

From: TXRANGER

06-Jun-17

Guided Hunters are not Hunters. Think I have heard it all now...

From: TXRANGER

06-Jun-17

Guided Hunters are not Hunters. Think I have heard it all now...

From: ksq232

06-Jun-17

Operation Cimmarron, I'm so glad they took down those scumbags, along with all of their "hunters". I'd have a hard time calling anyone who hunted with that outfit a hunter, scumbag is by far, the more appropriate title.

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

They are buy far some of the best bowhunters I Know. One almost has his 29 the other guy his killed more big whitetails than anyone I know. But because they hunted with a POS guide they are worthless scum. Funny because all the places I've been Kansas residents are buy far most likely to break game laws and yet so quick to hang a guy for less........ Some great people in Kansas not to many post on this site! I'm out!

From: Westksbowhunter

06-Jun-17

Good bye Forest! My point is if you consider them hunters then don't put the blame on their guide. If they are hunting then the responsibility lies with them. Is a high fence set-up hunting? It may be to some but not me. Is driving the roads and shooting from a vehicle hunting? It may be to some but not to me. Everyones definition is different. 29 deer? Scooby has killed over a hundred with traditional equipment!

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

All 29 big game species dork!

From: Westksbowhunter

06-Jun-17

You said you were out? Dork? What is this junior high cheerleading? Were those 29 DIY? Or pay to play?

From: Scooby-doo

06-Jun-17

WKB but only one in Kansas!! Why do you find that hard to believe? When I started hunting I did not know what a compound even looked like. I find it hard to believe everyone has such a hard time with Non-residents. I have never done anything illegal anywhere, let alone Kansas. I should say when it comes to hunting that is. Again good luck to all hunting Kansas this year. I will be back next year! Shawn

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

At least ten of the 29 your required to have a guide for safety it's the law....... How can you judge others when your world is so small........

From: Westksbowhunter

06-Jun-17

Forest you are the one judging, just re-read your posts. Shawn I believe you, just kidding as I knew it would get you to respond.

From: Tejas

06-Jun-17

Wow....just wow! Down right comical anymore

From: Hitman

06-Jun-17

WTH. This Kansas site is out of control! New Yorker's have way more manners.

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

I re-read your accusations and realized just how far off they are. For one, it was the last day, the last hour of rifle season. Two, your idiot friend was not wearing orange at all because I glassed his stand area before driving across that mile of pasture. Three, he could not see me shoot the doe, because there is a huge hill in the way, and like I said, I was about a mile from him. Four, he did not hear me shoot either because there was a 20+ mph north wind that evening and it was less than 20 degrees and I used a suppressor on my .308 to kill the doe. Five, he freaked out, thinking I was a poacher and led the warden to believe so. The warden freaked out and nearly shat himself when he found out I was indeed using a suppressor ( I am licensed by the ATF for 3 of them.) The warden burnt up valuable time when he could have been doing something worthwhile like looking for the girl that froze to death that evening 4 miles away. I remember her well because I took care of her in the ER the week before. My only mistake of the entire evening was admitting to the warden I took off my orange to haul the doe out. It has been pointed out by several on here that action was not illegal at all because the hunt was over. Rather than retain a lawyer for $1500 and beat it in court, I simply paid the $150 ticket and forgot about it like all the other nickel and dime tickets I've gotten in my life. Very irritating to listen to you run your mouth when you actually hunt with poachers. If you didn't act like some whitewashed person, nobody would care.

From: sitO

06-Jun-17

Hey I fell asleep guys...do you need me for anything?

One'a them there poachers made the same "simple mistake" 5yrs in a row as I remember (his words)...so is it still a "mistake"?

One apologized and I respect that, his "buddy" dragged him in, that stuff can happen in this real world.

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

Some of the best people in the world are rotten old sinners that changed there ways. Thank God for his grace and forgiveness or we would all be in hell...... Except Kyle. ;)

From: Hitman

06-Jun-17

"I remember her well because I took care of her in the ER in El Dorado the week before."

Apparently HIPPA laws are not in place in Kansas?

From: sitO

06-Jun-17

Contrary to popular belief F'est...my "stuff" does in fact stink. I'll send you some in a box marked "guaranteed" if you'll cover the COD?

From: Forest bows

06-Jun-17

Only if there's corn in it

From: Thornton

06-Jun-17

Did I give a name, DOB, chief complaint, or any info whatsoever regarding the deceased' description? I did not. In fact, it would be impossible for you to find out who it was. So I guess all the hundreds of ER stories us ER folks tell must be in HIPPA violation? LOL no, because we never tell names.

From: Quailhunter

07-Jun-17

Ok... I take it back. This is better than the community forum.

From: AuburnTiger

07-Jun-17

C'mon fellas. Would you allow this type of conversation to take place in front of your family and friends? If the answer is "no", then why allow it here?

From: Doe

07-Jun-17

this might of gotten off track a bit. I was looking the draw date.......

From: spidermonkey

07-Jun-17

:) :) True!! Good Huntin, and God Bless, Rusty

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