I would guess that if this change in reporting made more poachers, there would be evidence of that from the many other states that have call-in or no reporting.
Now hunters can sit all night in their stands calling deer until they shoot - warden can do nothing. Let's watch and see how many citations are issued for this at the end of the year - "O".
Our laws have become so relaxed in recent times the thought of keeping honest folks honest, well that's pretty much out the window.
This further ties the hands of our law enforcement personnel and makes their job even harder to accomplish.
Let not forget during the camping season our Warden are now patrolling the State Parks as they are sending the Park Rangers...down the road!
That's good, because our wardens were not busy enough!
Sad!
I cant blame everyone of them too just drive around, wave and smile and keep on going - because it's now a joke. I can feel the frustration.
Lol what was it 20- 30 years ago?
I feel the hunting is better now and for the most part the hunters that remain are of higher quality.
Now you have nothing to go on, so like stop and frisk, our tactical unit use to do, you can check everyone, to see if they comply. a lot more work, but hey that's what your being paid to do. On top of that, the hunter has till 5pm the next day to register,,,, sooo, you simply keep your notes in your tablet or what not, and by 530pm the next day, check those numbers, if they are not in, out goes the tag......
Now he is finding more warrants, more dope, more underage drinking, more weapon violations, and surprise surprise, more deer not registered,,,,, they can simply explain in court,,,,,, that is how you handle that........
Most are in compliance, but now more checks are being done,,,,, it is up to the warden, to decided how much he wants to do, but no shortage of work
as far as them handling the state parks, that is really a dumb idea,,,,,,,,
"Now you have nothing to go on, so like stop and frisk, our tactical unit use to do, you can check everyone, to see if they comply. a lot more work, but hey that's what your being paid to do."
First, what does "stop and frisk" have to do with checking deer hunters? It didn't matter whether they had a back tag and a carcass tag years ago , you stopped and checked...."Was it their back tag" "Was it their friends license" - Just because they displayed it didn't mean by any stretch it belonged to them.
There is nothing that prohibits a field warden from approaching someone and asking to see a license. In a group of 15 hunters standing around after a deer drive - who do you check ground hunter? Nobody has to wear a back tag. Your (warden)(s) not even sure some of them were on the drive!
Shall we put them all in a line and ask that all folks hunting... take one step forward? "NOW", produce a drivers license so I can individually run each of you on my computer - to see if you have a license"... Really?
And what about the buck in the back of the truck with these guys you just encountered? The buck looks "aged" to the warden and he asks if it (deer) was registered and who's it was and when it was shot.
Here learns it's "Billy Bob's" whom is in town "we" guess and he shot it that morning. Well that's an obvious LIE - it looks like 3-4 days earlier, but since you don't have a validation tag - how do you know? How do you know IF it even belongs to "Billy Bob"? There's no tag on it. Doesn't need to be tagged anymore.
Are you going to seize the deer and wait for "Billy Bob" to show up? Because that is going to be a really long wait. What about the next group of hunters, seize a deer there as well, cause they have a deer with the hunter who shot it missing in action as well?
Now the warden stops at my cabin and says "Pat...Nice bucks" hanging there, who do they belong too. (The warden doesn't know I shot both of them).
I tell him the one on the right (biggest) is mine and the other belongs to a guy in town. Warden asks for his name and I say "I think it's Mike something...ah...ah" "Mike Trump", that's it...that's Mike's deer and this one here is mine." "Mike didn't have a spot to hang his deer so I let him hang it here." Asking if I registered my buck, well of course I did"... I tell the Warden. He checks...sure enough. " Warden asked about the second buck and I tell him to check with Mike Trump, I don't know anything about it".
When the Warden asks me for information on Mike Trump, I know nothing about the guy other than meeting him in the taverns from time to time. Of course he's a nice fellow this Mike Trump, but he comes and goes.
When the Warden leaves, I grab both deer and go. Unless I get stopped and then make up another BS story about that being my sons deer, just shot blah, blah, blah, blah (he has an open tag deer license) I'm home free with an extra deer.
And all this time our wardens are getting more warrants, more drugs and more underage drinkers. (Don't we hire Deputy Sheriff's to do all that?)
I don't know about you guys, but I like to see our Wardens enforcing fish and game laws instead of drug and alcohol enforcerment.
Just my spin!
My 15 year old son and buddy are with me and we just finished loading our deer into the cargo area of my "Ranger". Warden stops and admires our kill. I tell them that I along with my son killed these two "here" and my buddy says he killed this one, as he points to a big 13 point buck.
We all have licenses and the warden drives off and says "have a nice day - remember to register those deer" - "you bet we will" (Just not under our tags - I say under my breathe).
We drive home and get there 2.5 hours later. I call my brother-in-law who doesn't even hunt. My sister and her husband come over and then with their tags they purchased register the deer me and my son just shot. It goes in the "Meat Coffers" as next weekend....The kid and I are going back into the woods with our unused tags.
Makes good sense to me...NOT.
But, if there are resources that are endangered because of these rules, by all means list them for us. None of us are that selfish that we would not endure more burden if anyone could prove to us that resources are suffering.
I am all ears to hear some compelling, factual argument. Can someone please help Retro with this?
We will never know the FULL extent of the damage done, simply because dishonest people and criminals don't like to advertise their crimes. Basing it on those that are caught - it will be few and far between as we now have made Wisconsin a "Poachers Paradise".
Backing our Warden staff is much more than the "burden" of writing a check and paying your taxes..
They (wardens) need laws with teeth and laws that help weed out the culprits - not laws that make it way so easy to violate and compromise our Natural Resources when it comes to deer hunting.
The only thing crusty around here is your sense of humor, or lack thereof!
Instead of adding anything positive to the discussion you decide it's time for a little name calling? Nice job!
I believe that the large majority of our society is law abiding and righteous in their belief(s) of doing good and doing the right thing for the right reason(s).
That in part contributes to our policing in our society and how it is able to work and many times be as efficient as it actually is. It's due to the citizens who obey the laws, help police and get behind anti-crime movements and such.
So Kevin, your wrong. I don't believe everyone will violate. Some people still believe in what's right and what's wrong. It's those that for whatever reason do not feel the law applies to them and those that are "fence sitters" - honest people, no longer being kept honest.
"They (wardens) need laws with teeth and laws that help weed out the culprits - not laws that make it way so easy to violate and compromise our Natural Resources when it comes to deer hunting. " The whole "burden" thing with getting checked by a warden is laughable. Of course everyone is a victim nowadays, so that mentality fits in perfectly with todays society.
If you ever get checked by a warden in the field, I sincerely hope it doesnt scar you for life. Hopefully you'll be able to dig deep and somehow carry on.....
So they take away registration and tagging requirements? Yeah that makes sense.
"Retro you fool"
WOW, I see the Captain is in his normal attack mode with his normal childish name calling because someone dared to have a different opinion than him. 99% of the people can carry on an adult conversation here and then there is the Captain.
Good points being made here on both sides.
