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Affect of TV hunting shows
Wisconsin
Contributors to this thread:
Treefarm 06-Dec-17
Treefarm 06-Dec-17
smokey 06-Dec-17
Camp 2 dukes 06-Dec-17
Crusader dad 06-Dec-17
Trapper 06-Dec-17
Cheif 06-Dec-17
Mike F 06-Dec-17
RJN 06-Dec-17
Missouribreaks 06-Dec-17
ground hunter 06-Dec-17
Live2hunt 06-Dec-17
Tweed 06-Dec-17
Oforalot 06-Dec-17
Glunker 06-Dec-17
Novice 06-Dec-17
Crusader dad 07-Dec-17
CaptMike 07-Dec-17
Olbowman 07-Dec-17
Bloodtrail 07-Dec-17
ground hunter 07-Dec-17
upnorth 08-Dec-17
Tweed 08-Dec-17
RUGER1022 08-Dec-17
Novice 08-Dec-17
Stinky Jim 09-Dec-17
Missouribreaks 11-Dec-17
ground hunter 11-Dec-17
Bow Crazy 11-Dec-17
Pasquinell 11-Dec-17
From: Treefarm
06-Dec-17
Very long, but though provoking.

This has been discussed somewhat in the past, let's revisit.

Look at what TV deer hunting shows have done to affect the way some expect deer hunting to be. A simple look back in history paints a very bleak picture.

Some of us have been on the map longer than others. I started deer hunting under my Dad's wing. I didn't watch TV or videos ( no such thing as videos). Later, a neighbor introduced me to string. After flinging wooden arrows at deer, I was hooked.

I have a pretty good history from hearing my Dad comment and point out while pheasant hunting...deer tracks. Deer were not common south of 64.

I have seen deer population sky-rocket is the 80's when much of my hunting was pressed against Lake Superior. I saw what happened when naive deer met Mr. Wolf and hunters slaughtered does. I remember gutting a deer in late 80's that had corn in it, totally dumb-founded when the nearest cornfield was 75-100 miles away. Never occurred somebody "baited" deer. Only to find a trail of saplings smashed over by a 3-wheel "ATV" and a 50 yard trail "cut" through the woods with a chair set up at one end, corn and salt blocks at the other. I was never taught this was deer hunting (by the way, I still don't believe it is hunting...killing, yes, but no skill involved). How did this "hunter" learn to do this?? Was it a hunting show.

I remember seeing white pine always nipped off up north. Regeneration was being diverted to deer gut. The slaughter of antlerless continued, predator populations grew in response to high deer populations but now took more than the excess deer crop. Hunters started getting dissatisfied because "I used to see 50 deer opening day".

Land parcels were bought up from a depressed farming era. Parcels were split. Hunting shows began to show how easy it was to shoot MONSTER bucks, just by tilling ground and throwing Ag seed on the ground with fertilizer. All you had to do was sit in a box and watch the field. Alternatively, skip the whole planting thing, especially on public land, and dump corn in a pile and stare at it. All those "new" game cameras (shown on hunting shows) can't lie. Not sure why their pictures are daylight while the non-show pictures were after dark.

Even people owning 2 acres could shoot MONSTER bucks, just plant a food plot or throw corn in a pile and watch from a box blind. The shows have to be reality. Try try try the hunters did to replicate what was done on these shows. Just sit and wait. Everybody gets a MONSTER BUCK!

Soon hunters became dissatisfied because they didn't get monster bucks so they cursed the neighbors, posted their land, planted more "food". Still no deer. Damn the DNR, I saw 50 deer opening day just 10 years ago. Why can "the Crush" be getting monster bucks? I just don't hear shots opening day like I used to. Can't be that everybody is sitting in box blinds looking at a corn pile or watching the same area the blind has been set up for 10 years on posted land. I am going to keep sitting because my camera shows pictures, a monster buck has to walk out during daylight. Man, all the b&w pictures of deer eating corn, wish a monster buck during daylight would show up, just like on the hunting show.

I am afraid that the new generation didn't have a Dad to show them how to hunt and picked up tips from hunting shows. And now, we have cross bows for all, that certainly will help see more deer. The heck with hunting anymore, just do what they do on TV, you'll get a big buck consistently. How's that working out for ya?

Maybe I am old school, but I know the forest provides everything a deer needs. I know enough to move into areas that deer have cover. I don't need to add a pile to draw deer. I know that habitat needs constant improvement. When I hunt public land, it is gonna be in areas that have had recent logging activity.

I always be reminded of the deer I shot in the early 80's with corn in it's belly. That, was my turning point in the start of experiencing poor hunting. Sit, stare, and wait over an artificial food source, they will come. Those advertising hunting shows have to be getting those big bucks for a reason.

I miss hunting how it used to be. Deer don't need us to feed them, they do need good habitat that provides food however. This competition has to stop or it's only gonna get worse. Put the hunt back into hunting.

From: Treefarm
06-Dec-17
Very long, but though provoking.

This has been discussed somewhat in the past, let's revisit.

Look at what TV deer hunting shows have done to affect the way some expect deer hunting to be. A simple look back in history paints a very bleak picture.

Some of us have been on the map longer than others. I started deer hunting under my Dad's wing. I didn't watch TV or videos ( no such thing as videos). Later, a neighbor introduced me to string. After flinging wooden arrows at deer, I was hooked.

I have a pretty good history from hearing my Dad comment and point out while pheasant hunting...deer tracks. Deer were not common south of 64.

I have seen deer population sky-rocket is the 80's when much of my hunting was pressed against Lake Superior. I saw what happened when naive deer met Mr. Wolf and hunters slaughtered does. I remember gutting a deer in late 80's that had corn in it, totally dumb-founded when the nearest cornfield was 75-100 miles away. Never occurred somebody "baited" deer. Only to find a trail of saplings smashed over by a 3-wheel "ATV" and a 50 yard trail "cut" through the woods with a chair set up at one end, corn and salt blocks at the other. I was never taught this was deer hunting (by the way, I still don't believe it is hunting...killing, yes, but no skill involved). How did this "hunter" learn to do this?? Was it a hunting show.

I remember seeing white pine always nipped off up north. Regeneration was being diverted to deer gut. The slaughter of antlerless continued, predator populations grew in response to high deer populations but now took more than the excess deer crop. Hunters started getting dissatisfied because "I used to see 50 deer opening day".

Land parcels were bought up from a depressed farming era. Parcels were split. Hunting shows began to show how easy it was to shoot MONSTER bucks, just by tilling ground and throwing Ag seed on the ground with fertilizer. All you had to do was sit in a box and watch the field. Alternatively, skip the whole planting thing, especially on public land, and dump corn in a pile and stare at it. All those "new" game cameras (shown on hunting shows) can't lie. Not sure why their pictures are daylight while the non-show pictures were after dark.

Even people owning 2 acres could shoot MONSTER bucks, just plant a food plot or throw corn in a pile and watch from a box blind. The shows have to be reality. Try try try the hunters did to replicate what was done on these shows. Just sit and wait. Everybody gets a MONSTER BUCK!

Soon hunters became dissatisfied because they didn't get monster bucks so they cursed the neighbors, posted their land, planted more "food". Still no deer. Damn the DNR, I saw 50 deer opening day just 10 years ago. Why can "the Crush" be getting monster bucks? I just don't hear shots opening day like I used to. Can't be that everybody is sitting in box blinds looking at a corn pile or watching the same area the blind has been set up for 10 years on posted land. I am going to keep sitting because my camera shows pictures, a monster buck has to walk out during daylight. Man, all the b&w pictures of deer eating corn, wish a monster buck during daylight would show up, just like on the hunting show.

I am afraid that the new generation didn't have a Dad to show them how to hunt and picked up tips from hunting shows. And now, we have cross bows for all, that certainly will help see more deer. The heck with hunting anymore, just do what they do on TV, you'll get a big buck consistently. How's that working out for ya?

Maybe I am old school, but I know the forest provides everything a deer needs. I know enough to move into areas that deer have cover. I don't need to add a pile to draw deer. I know that habitat needs constant improvement. When I hunt public land, it is gonna be in areas that have had recent logging activity.

I always be reminded of the deer I shot in the early 80's with corn in it's belly. That, was my turning point in the start of experiencing poor hunting. Sit, stare, and wait over an artificial food source, they will come. Those advertising hunting shows have to be getting those big bucks for a reason.

I miss hunting how it used to be. Deer don't need us to feed them, they do need good habitat that provides food however. This competition has to stop or it's only gonna get worse. Put the hunt back into hunting.

From: smokey
06-Dec-17
Another good post Treefarm. I am afraid though that we can't put the Genie back in the bottle.

I remember one time I was guiding around a photographer from National Geographic during the gun deer season. We stopped by a deer camp in Sawyer County that had a dandy buck on the pole. Baiting was on the upswing and the issue came up. The hunter claimed that buck never ate corn and he did not use bait. I am sure he did not use bait but in the area was hunting it was my belief that every deer by that time had hit corn piles.

From: Camp 2 dukes
06-Dec-17
Good post Treefarm. I agree. The hunting shows are not very often a realistic scenario. Funny my son picked up on that right away. He loves to hunt but not interested in watching hunting shows. He says Dad how can they shoot a big buck every time? I grew up hunting in the 70's & 80's in southern WI. Never had a mentor to hunt with but had a neighbor that was a bow hunter. I did not even have a woodlot to hunt. I had ag fields with creek and fence lines. I remember hunting my 1st woodlot and having to "relearn" how to hunt. I now hunt N of 8 and find myself focussing on creek lines even within the wooded areas. I guess the question maybe did the TV shows cause the deer hunting culture shift? Or was it a progression of laziness regardless of TV shows. Much of which allowed by the state deer managers.

From: Crusader dad
06-Dec-17
I think most of us realize that most hunting shows are not realistic. The one exception I can think of off the top of my head is Fresh Tracks with Randy Newberg. I watch these shows not to learn something but for their entertainment value and because I like seeing big bucks. I will not watch one if it shows an able bodied person using a crossgun or the host is over the top but overall I enjoy them. I get my knowledge from my peers right here on Bowsite not from tv.

From: Trapper
06-Dec-17
1984 opened my eyes to a whole new way of hunting. (I didn't have cable to watch hunting shows then, and I don't now either.) I was invited to the U.P. of Michigan. The landowner had 3 bait piles which were literally 5 yards of bait on a pile. Apples and apple peelings and cores from a winery in Door County, Pumpkins, Sugar beets, and Carrots on another pile, then Cabbage, Rutabagas and Turnips on another pile. In 10 years of hunting in Waupaca county, baiting never even crossed my mind. Find the food source and the bedding area and hunt the area that is in between. Easy Peasy! But in this day and age with electronics, TV, and YouTube I'm sure the shows have an impression on those that care to watch such shows.

From: Cheif
06-Dec-17
Those shows create unrealistic expectations I try not to let my kids watch them, you never see all the work that goes into a good hunt.

From: Mike F
06-Dec-17
These shows pull a lot of people into the sport, but also bring unrealistic expectations. They open the world of hunting to a lot of would be non hunters. I ran into a guy who grew up in Detroit yesterday and was now living in Northern Wisconsin. He is a new hunter that is looking to learn to hunt. He doesn't expect to see or kill a deer every time he goes out. He is happy to get out into the woods and enjoy the peace and quiet. Good to know that all don't have high expectations.

It's a double edged sword if you ask me.

Glad I don't have cable or Dish....

From: RJN
06-Dec-17
I actually like some of the hunting shows. Much better than 95% of the other channels. Might not be realistic but they don't show a lot of the misses or wounded deer either. I agree habitat trumps food plots but since we started working up areas to provide more food, our hunting has been much better.

06-Dec-17
The only blame goes with the hunters who support the video and equipment (crossbow) manufactures. Hunters make the choice to forgo tradition for the liberal "hand it to me" ideology. We need to stop blaming manufacturers and producers, and focus on the supporters and enablers within our own ranks. This board is full of them. The fact of the matter remains that the bulk of today's hunters do not care to hunt in the traditional and challenging fashion, instant gratification is more important to them. You know who you are.

06-Dec-17
I think hunting today is great, because no one is out there,,,, I mean it,,,, compared to the 80's, you have the whole north woods to yourself really,,,,, not as many deer, but still bucks out there, and takes some woodsmanship to get one........

My friend is hunting ML season right now,,,,,,,, he has seen over 20 deer, and he has been boots on the ground every day.... He is hunting the NF in Florence Co,,,, as usual he reports, other than on a Saturday, and that was few, no one around, everyone went home

I think people today are better land managers, I agree all the deer needs is woods, if the woods are managed properly for them,,,,,

want to sit on a bait or food plot, I don't care,,,,, do what you want,,,, just hunt legal....

I never saw a time, when so many worried so much, how others hunt and their style,,,,,

From: Live2hunt
06-Dec-17
Yep, they promote an inflated exaggeration of expectations for a lot of people who hunted or wanted to try. Treefarm, I too remember the first times I started seeing corn in bile like puddles along deer trails. I think the deer would eat it and upset there stomachs or something and throw it up. I didn't think anything of it till I started seeing the whole picture of how it and the way people hunted now affected the hunting. It's too bad really, I hope someday people will get back to hunting and take pride in the hunt instead of the kill.

From: Tweed
06-Dec-17
The show "Meat Hunter" is about the only modern hunting show I find enjoyable.

From: Oforalot
06-Dec-17
I subscribed this year to a YouTube channel called “The Hunting Public” which is a group of outdoor enthusiasts that hunt primarily public land in Iowa. They chronicle each days hunt throughout the season and take the time to explain their setups, tactics and lessons learned. These guys put in a ton of Time year round scouting and put in a ton of time during the season for their success. I find myself checking for their latest hunt adventure each night. Much better than the productions on cable in my opinion.

From: Glunker
06-Dec-17
With tv hunting hero's and horn porn it is a different game. ESPN type hunters want write a check and kill a big one and be the big hunter. I have no problem with a land owner planting plots or cutting timber to sustain local deer. But to lease out land, bait and bring nimrods has taken our sport backwards. It I'd hunting without the talent/skill.

From: Novice
06-Dec-17
Like everything else, there's good and bad. While I agree with a lot said above, I also enjoy some of the shows out there. Some can actually be pretty educational and informative. One of my favorites is Drury's Thirteen. Today was a perfect example and ironically they had a tweet on Twitter pointing out the current Phase of the season. It was emphasizing deer returning to food sources and hitting the greens, especially during a front. I saw 10 deer just while driving this afternoon. 6 deer in the neighbor's food plot, which is only 20 yds wide by 50 yds deep. The cold, wind, and snow had them up on their feet. The tv show had spoken about such many times. Sure they kill monsters consistently and the property they hunt is magical. I know it would be unrealistic for me to think that's how it's going to be for me and I don't have such high expectations. But the basic concepts are the same. The strategies, theories, and methods can still be applied. To each their own. Watch what works for you and you can always change the channel on the garbage and useless shows.

From: Crusader dad
07-Dec-17
Good post and I agree Novice

From: CaptMike
07-Dec-17
Novice, summed up very well!

From: Olbowman
07-Dec-17
What concerns me is when these tv guys take all sorts of unethical shots ie quartering to and others plus long shots. When young or new bowhunters see this they think that it is okay for them too. And that leads to bad names for all of the bow ethical bow hunters.

From: Bloodtrail
07-Dec-17
Actually gentlemen I have a different spin on all this (go figure)!

I think today we are putting a "better" more "prepared" hunter on the landscape then we ever did before.

I think we have seen a more professional and conservation aware in Wisconsin like never before. I speak from experience.

I can remember in the 70's and the quality of hunters I encountered back then.

Most were uneducated to the life of a whitetail deer and how to hunt them ethically and sucessfully.....

Most deer back then I believe were killed on deer drives. 20-30 men gathered and drove big portions of swamps and farm lands. "Horn Porn" was in it's infancy back then and the "likes" of "Noel Feather" and "Bob Folkrud" were just emerging as was "Dan Fitzgerald".

We all remembered what happened to Noel Feather.

We as hunters have become more educated, whether from HS classes, the Internet or forums like "Bowsite". TV shows are just that, but I AGREE we (myself) can always learn something new.

Like Novice says...don't like it, change the channel"...

07-Dec-17
There will always be someone like "Noel Feather" look at what happened to Marc Anthony or Chris Brackett,,,,,,

From: upnorth
08-Dec-17
Saw a show yesterday . They had a deer on a cable a guy standing behind a small building .there was a opening in front they let the guy have the bow drawn .When the deer comes buy hes suppose to shoot the first guy hits it perfect then most of the rest of the shots were misses or bad from what i watched . With owning a range I shoot a lot and wouldn't even think of practicing or taking that shot on a real animal. To me the show makes people think its Ok .I didn't watch the whole thing so maybe they said something . I hate it when i go to a tournament and they have a moving target , there all different so even if you wanted you can't practice for them .

From: Tweed
08-Dec-17
Ol' Noel

From: RUGER1022
08-Dec-17
These hunting shows are the same as the news . 50 % fake .

From: Novice
08-Dec-17
Up north, that show was Heartland Bowhunter. It's actually another one I watch on occasion. Some of it is pretty down to earth and they're not necessarily shooting monsters regularly like some other shows. While I agree running shots with archery equipment aren't in my repertoire or suggested, that part of that particular show seemed just a friendly camp competition. I guess younger kids may get ideas from it, but I didn't really see it as a teaching tool and that they were actually endorsing such types of shots. I could be wrong, though.

From: Stinky Jim
09-Dec-17
I guess I don't have a lot of issues with the TV shows. I will agree that they give hunters an unrealistic expectation. Hunters need to be realistic as well. If most of your neighbors don't participate in some kind of QDM program, it's going to be difficult to grow bucks big enough to even come close to what the Drury's and Lakoski'd shoot. I watch some of the TV shows because I enjoy them. Do I expect to shoot a 170" buck? NO! I simply do what I can to shoot a decent buck. One big enough for the wall. I don't see the point of shooting a buck just so I can tell people "Ya, I shot a buck. I know it's not a monster, but I'm happy".....because I wouldn't be.

11-Dec-17
Many of the videos are fake and staged, actually very similar to many actual hunters. The video world is successful because that is part of today's hunting culture. Stocked animals, fences, artificially grown, managed, paid for and fed subdivision and private land deer. Most hunters are a generation away from hunting the big woods for truly wild animals.

11-Dec-17
That is sad,,,, I watched Huntmaster the other night, with Gregg Ritz,, than find out, he violated the Lacy Act in 2009 and paid out 50,000.00 or at least the LLC he was running,,,,,,,, Chris Dorsey should clean up his network, I am disappointed

From: Bow Crazy
11-Dec-17
I do agree with much of what has been said, but not all. Most of the shows are "fake", not sure I believe that. Some sure, but most, I just don't know. I suppose it depends on what your definition of "fake" is. I don't get the outdoors channels, but the shows I get to see once in while I wouldn't call "fake". I could be wrong on this one, just not the ones I've seen.

For me, and many others that I know, it opened up a new world for me. I'm taking about shows like Drury's, Lakosky's, Mossy Oak, Deer & Deer Hunting - as land owners/managers/deer stewards, what are these folks doing on their grounds that I can be do on mine for better deer, better deer habitat and better deer hunting? As I started educating myself and learning more and more, I found QDMA, then QDM. I've never looked back.

I know that my property will never be like theirs, and so do my kids, and that's okay. We are making it the best that we can, hunting is better than it ever has been and we are loving every minute of it.

So yes, there is some bad with TV show, but certainly some good. I think the strong will survive, the bad will not. BC

From: Pasquinell
11-Dec-17
I miss Tred Barta.

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