Animal Studies and Degrees
Connecticut
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Please be aware that certain institutions of higher education within CT have been offering classes in animal studies. Once most of the deer in the state takes these courses it will result in deer that are impossible to detect, let alone shoot during any hunting season. It's amazing how educated these animals are becoming!! My last time in the woods I saw one with an Apple computer and it appeared he was plotting hunter activity and possible escape routes to avoid detection. I'm just glad I don't have to pay for my hunting license now that I'm old,....what a waste.
Bob I'm put another log on the fire sitting back and watching this one.
Youre bored already huh...lol
Maybe you can be white buffalos jimmy carter..you know , how the UN sends him all over to watch elections..
So you don't think deer are smart, you don't think hunter presence negatively conditions them, and you don't think they change their behaviors based on this making them more difficult to harvest?
Omg is there nothing off limits Dr don't mess with the force .
Can you guys imagine when BBB retires :(
Doc, why do you totally discount the intelligence of the hunter? I've read several posts on this site where guys (1) hunt the wind, (2) don't hunt the same spot several times, (3) use scent control, (4) use trail cams to pattern deer and limit time in the area, (5) only shoot particular deer and not let arrows fly at every deer that walks by, etc.
But we all know that you view hunters as ignorant, stupid fools. I've been able to follow deer for several hundred yards without being detected, return the next week and find the same deer in the same area. Now if I shot it, it would be dead, not smarter.
You weren’t kidding Bob these animals are getting smarter for sure. Heck they are even beginning to use our own items against us. Pretty soon they will be hunting us. Lol
Silverado - you can't say that Doc didn't warn us. Us 6-pack hunters are just too stupid to outsmart them animals.
That's you Bob, clearly you show restraint. But to quote you from a different thread:
"The hunters that I run into shoot any deer that crosses their path, so I wish Toonces was correct and that hunters were using restraint, but I think that's the farthest thing from the truth."
Doc - what's your point? I know most hunters shoot anything that walks by. And when that happens the deer are dead, not smarter. I also know most state land hunters only walk in about a quarter of mile at most (and private land hunters much less) and that's why I walk in the back side of the areas. Do the deer walk away from people in general, whether they're hunting or just out for a hike? Absolutely. So I use that process to my advantage, to OUTSMART the deer.
If the deer herd figures the state puts out are true, there's not enough private land to hold all of those deer as a safe zone, especially in the NW corner with the huge tracts of state forest. And I've spoken to several landowners in the NW corner and they sing the same song as me, the deer herd is way down, so they're not getting smarter, they're getting dead.
Bob my point is you are one guy and behave your own way. However, it is hunters’ collective behavior that educates deer. You answered your own question when you say the Bowsite guys are a small fraction of the ethical hunters out there and “the hunters that I run into shoot any deer that crosses their path.” Are you suggesting that when Joe 6-pack hunter “shoot[s] any deer that crosses their path” it is always a single deer that winds up dead? It is never a couple does or a doe/fawn combo where one dies and one or two are educated? What about when the hunter doesn’t connect and the deer ducks the shot? Or what if the wound is not fatal and the deer is gravely injured? Or what if a doe is munching on some corn that happens to be in the middle of the woods and there is a big bang and their offspring drops dead? Do you think they might associate corn with death thereafter and just come by at night from then on? Do you think they learn from those scenarios? Or do you presume they are just ambling around the woods looking to be killed by an orange thing in a tree?
Orange thing in a tree?? Do you even bow hunt?? No one wears orange in their tree stands. I've shot deer from the same stand year after year. That's why I decided to shoot just big bucks, the hunt became too easy when shooting any deer. Again, any hunter with half a brain can out smart a deer.
I don't bow hunt, but I do know orange is not required unless you are hunting with a firearm. The ones in orange are the ones that go "bang." Again Bob. You are speaking for yourself. Think of hunters as a collective body. Most deer outsmart hunters. That's why hunter success hovers around 30%.
You don't bow hunt? So why in hell are you on a bow site? No friends huh! Sad. I guess it was the same growing up. I'll be your friend. I'll teach you to bow hunt and you can teach me to be dumber than deer.
Not to be annoying :) but, I'm pretty sure I remember needing to wear orange while bow hunting Watershed land on Aquarian property during gun season - until you were over 10 feet up in a tree if I recall. I thought you had to wear it during gun if you were hunting bow only areas as well? Serious questions there - the good lad's above have me confused...
Will your right .not to long ago you had to keep it on during bow season even in a tree they changed that ,It looked bad pumpkins sitting in trees in backyards lol
Ill put a orange vest over my back pack on water co during gun season..sometimes in bow only areas..
You're correct, the law state you must wear it once the gun seasons start, even if you're on bow only areas, but you can remove once in your tree stand. I always put on my orange vest for the walks in and out, never know who's breaking the law when you're out there.
I think some animals are pure genius. We have one goose that continuously lands in our decoys and just won't leave. We will even move our decoys while he's out and will move along with them. We'll even shoot other geese that come to land and he may move a bit but will come right back. He must know that we won't shoot him. Reverse psychology I say.
"I don't bow hunt"... I'm really confused why your on bowsite. Do you like arguing that much?
I was lured here by fellow posters who were broadcasting lies about me and a project they didn't like. So here I am...
Ya but now doc and bob have grown into a budding freudian symbiotic siamese love hate relationship...lol
Ha. Different takes on deer management from different individuals makes for interesting discussion.