Kansas Draw
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From: Shawn
01-Apr-18
My app. fees
My app. fees
Hi folks, I put in for the NR draw and I have a preference point so I should draw. I have a question and the KDWPT seems not to have one. I will call Pratt tomorrow but thought someone may know. I paid 25 bucks for my preference point last year, this year when I submitted my app. it showed another $25 fee for "Privilege Lottery Fee" so I end up paying 50 bucks for that point? It is not a big deal but surprised me. Also this year an Alert came up and said I must buy my license before I submitted my app. In the past it I did not have to buy a license until I was drawn. Thanks! Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
01-Apr-18
Looks like you just bought another preference point this year to me.
From: Shawn
01-Apr-18
It won't let you, as a NR you are allowed one purchase and that was my application for a tag and my license as they count as one. I wish they would let me buy one that way I would pretty much be assured to draw again next year. Shawn
From: stealthycat
01-Apr-18
did I see that right, you have to purchase a non-res hunting license to even put IN for a draw tag ??
From: stealthycat
01-Apr-18
I started the process ..... I too have a PP fee in my shopping cart
From: sitO
01-Apr-18
C'mon, you spend more than that on failure piles Stealthy
From: stealthycat
01-Apr-18
failure piles ??
if I didn't want to go I wouldn't go, but having to buy a license before you get a tag to hunt? That's new ... or maybe I read it wrong? I got to checkout and it didn't ask or insist I buy a non-res license as I put in for the tag, granted I didn't check out but
From: stealthycat
01-Apr-18
failure piles ??
if I didn't want to go I wouldn't go, but having to buy a license before you get a tag to hunt? That's new ... or maybe I read it wrong? I got to checkout and it didn't ask or insist I buy a non-res license as I put in for the tag, granted I didn't check out but
From: z hunter
02-Apr-18
Yes, you get to give them another $25...if you dont draw this yr, you will now have 2 preference points.
And yes, the state has finally succeeded in realizing that no one should be able to purchase a permit or game tag without also 1st having purchased a hunting license...the state found many nr hunters who submitted and drew their tags,..but then never bought a hunting license.
From: MDW
02-Apr-18
A couple years ago, they were discussing how as many as 10% of NR Deer hunters never purchased a hunting license after getting their permit. Was not sure how or if they had fixed that problem.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
I am calling Pratt this am to find out. What happens if I don't draw, do they refund my license fee. I would think they have too. Also if I draw what happens to that extra 25 bucks? Do I get a point for next year? Lastly I believe there are not many guys who get drawn that don't buy a license. W
From: sitO
02-Apr-18
I have to buy a license in AZ every year just to get a PP whether I apply for a tag or not...so suck it ;?)
From: doubledrop
02-Apr-18
Not to sidetrack this topic too far, and maybe it's been discussed already, but the new hunting license format(annual from date of purchase) seems to me like its yet another way to "cheat" the system. If someone purchases their tag on Nov.10th and then hunts something like the 11th-18th or hypothetically through the end of the season, then comes back to hunt the following season say the end of Oct.-Nov. 10th. Doesn't that allow them to cheat the system and get two seasons with the purchase of one hunting license?
From: Matt Palmquist
02-Apr-18
I think making you buy a license is a step in the right direction and I would assume they will refund that if you don't draw. I will be curious to see what you find out.
I have had friends that said they bought the license after they drew. I asked 3 times, but didn't look, and then we got checked and guess what....no hunting license.
From: cherney12
02-Apr-18
yes...doesn't help you if you hunt every year...but in theory it could allow you to hunt two years for the price of one if both trips are within a 12 month period
From: KB
02-Apr-18
The site states a NR Whitetail Permit is $442.50. I don’t think the “privilege lottery fee” has anything to do with a point. Could be wrong, but sounds like it’s a figured in charge that goes toward their lottery software or something to that affect... Getting two years off one license would be a possibility unless they are in fact making applicants buy a license at application time. Can’t find anywhere it says so specifically, but to me the bold lettering would imply that. At least a couple states let you cheat and get a 2 for 1, Arizona and Utah. And many others won’t even let you apply until you first buy a hunting license, including the two I mentioned. Neither scenario particularly bothers me.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
Okay, spoke to Mary at Pratt headquarters. She said having to buy a license before you apply is new this year. She also said she was unsure if you would get a refund if you did not draw. She agree that their would be a lot of upset people if they did not refund your money if you did not draw. She said the 25 dollar fee is added now so that if you do not draw it pays for a point for you to use in another draw. The thing that did not sit well with me was when I said " so if I do draw, I get that $25 refunded correct?" She said no we keep that and I asked why that did not make sense unless it gave me a point for next year. She said Nope you draw we keep the $25, you don't draw you get a point. That is pretty lousy if ya ask me. I know in Iowa if I do not draw I get a point and my money refunded minus the point fee, it is not an add-on. By the way the extra money was money I donated for feeding the hungry in Kansas, that is why the total was a bit more then what it adds up too. I know some folks won't agree but I think that $25 privilege fee is lousy as she basically told me I will draw with the point I have and basically I am gonna eat the 25 bucks for that. Hell then Kansas should just charge 467.50 and if you do not draw you get 442.50 back and a point. Calling it a privilege fee is pure garbage!!! Shawn
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
I should also say, I would pay $500 for just the tags and application fee but I think the KWDPT is being sneaky adding in these other fees. I have applied for tag 3 other times and drew every time then I bought my license. My point is Kansas could hold the draw, when folks got notified they drew they could be told you will not receive your tags until you purchase a Kansas NR hunting license. This would save them time and money. System definitely needs to be tweaked! Shawn
From: MDW
02-Apr-18
"Do you believe 10 percent of nrs are poachers" It's not that I think any of them are knowingly not buying the hunting license, but due to the differing permit structures around the country, it's easy to get mixed up. Some state only require a permit, while other's like Kansas require a hunting license as well. "It is what it is."
From: stealthycat
02-Apr-18
This is what i got
With all applications, there is a nonrefundable $25 application fee. Regulation does require you to have a hunting license prior to application, however, the system will still allow you to apply even if you don't have a current license. If you do purchase a hunting license and don't draw a permit, we will refund the fee if you return the license.
From: Ksgobbler
02-Apr-18
The Game Wardens Facebook page a while back had a post telling NR hunters the tag was not their hunting license and had to be purchased separately, so it was happen often enough to be a problem.
From: cherney12
02-Apr-18
Hopefully the confusion and extra fees will piss everyone off and nobody will hunt for 5 years and then there will be BOONERS behind every tree again like back in the good old days.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
Cat, you better check again because the first girl told me what you are saying but the licensing girl told me no, you had to buy the NR license before applying. Yesterday when I put in for the drawing it made me buy the license or would not let me go through with my application. I think the 25 dollar fee is bogus as you are already charged a fee of like 14.50 (See service fee)for applying. It won't piss me off as long as I get my money back if I don't draw. The women said I would draw with a point without a doubt, which makes me feel good that my money was well spent. Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
02-Apr-18
NR's getting the shaft, what a shame! Actually, as a non resident, I would not like having to buy the hunting license upfront. What seems fair would be to not issue a successful draw until a hunting license was purchased. So hold the tag hostage. As far as the service fee ($14.50) we residents have to pay that fee for anything we apply for as well. I had to pay a fee for my Unit 4 turkey tag whether I was successful or not, so suck it up Shawn. If I would not have drawn I would have gotten a preference point.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
No Jeff you suck it, some people are just Dicks and you obviously are one of them. I said I did not mind paying the fees, you just obviously do not comprehend what you attempt to read so well. I stated they should basically hold the tag hostage in my other post but obviously you know it all so no need to read through things or attempt to understand them. Now go cry to someone and get me tossed for calling you names!! Shawn
From: Bowman
02-Apr-18
Az applications you must buy a hunt license in oreder to apply for the elk draw. Wether you draw a tag or not, the state does not return your hunt lic. money and it is 160 bucks for non residents.
From: Kansasclipper
02-Apr-18
Holy smokes Shawn, I am on your side. I don't think it is fair to have to pay for the non resident license. As far as "suck it" I was referring to suck it up and pay the money, it was a joke but you are not "Captain Obvious". Your vulgarity makes you look ignorant. As far as getting you "banned" that is not my style. Now if you were calling "Osage Orange" or "Habitat" vulgar names they would have you turned in as fast as "Lickity Split".
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
By the way you edited your post no doubt about it, you said and I quote "so suck it Shawn" You added the the "up" no doubt about it!! I would not of commented the way I had if I did not read exactly what you wrote. No you look ignorant by editing your post. Trust me or not, I know what you stated and it is obvious by your PM to me about wanting to meet me and taking it up personally. Well you can have your chance, just as you said in your PM. We can meet in Norton and we can discuss it in person!!! You have no clue is what I think is funny! Shawn
From: sitO
02-Apr-18
I just edited my post to say "suck it" ...seemed natural
We can all get along, but I'm not meetin you fellas at the 110
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
Kyle I would love to meet up with you too, just for different reasons!! :) I have been trying to be a kinder gentler person, just some folks make it hard. I am still looking forward to Kansas this year. Next year I hope to do both Kansas and Iowa as I have 3 points for Iowa, talk about a pricey tag! Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
02-Apr-18
No I did edit it. Like I said, I did not mean it the way it sounded. I left off the "up" like I said in the pm. I would never type any vulgarity on here. Insults yes, vulgarity no. I apologize for any confusion. I said we residents to have to pay a fee for a draw, like I do when I apply for any resident draw. I don't like it either, but I "suck it up" and pay for it anyway. That was the context, Shawn.
From: Quinn @work
02-Apr-18
What's up with all the Kansas residents wanting to "meet up" with us NR's? I got the same offer from another frequent poster. LOL.
Shawn, you should of added the mule deer stamp option and watched your tag turn into an almost $700 deer.
From: Bowster
02-Apr-18
StealthyCat.....2 thumbs up
As usual more misinformation being put out on the Kansas BS(Bull S*it) site. I just applied for a nonresident archery lic and was not required to buy the hunting lic. Just like the last 8 years of applying. Yes you have to purchase one if you get a tag.
Why are your guys so mad at Shawn? Is he not the type of guy you want to come hunt Kansas? He does not use an Outfitter knocks on doors for permission and hunts public. Same thing most of you Kansas boys do in other states.
From: drbonner
02-Apr-18
If you don’t draw do you get a refund on your hunting liscense?
From: sitO
02-Apr-18
"Stealthy"cat's idea of "Stealthy" is to post up at a feeder with his xgun...non-hunter
The NR tags should be prefaced by a license, no exceptions, and we seem to have possibly gotten it right?
From: Kansasclipper
02-Apr-18
sitO I don't know if I agree. If you are guaranteed a tag yes, but not if it is going into a lottery. Simply just don't issue the tag until a license is purchased seems like a more fair solution. I don't think that KDWPT intent is to catch violations of those not buying a license as much as it is to sell the license knowing that everyone is going to draw anyway. Lets just get all the money that we can is their philosophy. That is what surprised me about Shawns insult, I agree with him, for a change.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
Jeff and I are good it seems!! I try not to be a "bad" NR and do everything by the book. I even befriended a local KWDPT guy and he checks me every year to make sure I have all the proper stuff., even stops in to say "Hi" quite a bit. I have applied for mule deer in the past, very few tag available to a NR and unless someone who has hunted them a lot, like Matt or some others would show me the ropes I would do more harm than good. Like I said in my post. I did what I was told yesterday and it would not let me submit my application until I bought my license. I wonder if that changed today? As I was told there were quite a few calls early this morning about the issue. I again do not mind buying the license first as long as I get refunded if I don't draw. I think the $25 privilege fee is another story though. Never saw that in my last 3 times of drawing. Shawn
From: Bowster
02-Apr-18
"If you don’t draw do you get a refund on your hunting liscense?"
Just don't buy the lic until you know you have a tag. Simple. Problem solved.
From: Shawn
02-Apr-18
Bowster I was told directly from two ladies at Pratt today, you could no longer do that. Read my last post. Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
02-Apr-18
There are not any "bad" non residents, unless you are a poacher. My beef has never been with NR's but with the management of NR hunting by our KDWPT. And now, if you are required to buy a license when applying for a tag, the KDWPT is shafting the NR, in my opinion. They will use us all to get what they want, money.
From: ksq232
02-Apr-18
Just an observation; do people complain when Arizona does the same? When people are spending that kind of cash to hunt a deer, or elk, is $100 more that big of deal?
From: Deerplotter
02-Apr-18
I am not sure at this point if you need to buy the general hunting license before the draw. I went in and applied as a nonresident for the deer permit and had no prompts that stated I had to buy the general hunting license at this time. The permit application was $415.00- $1.50 TFee-$1.00 vendor fee-$25.00 Privilege Lottery fee- $12.09 Service fee- for a total of $454.59. I also received an email from a Kansas guide that stated the $97.50 general hunting license purchase should be made after being successful in the draw. If someone gets a for sure consensus on what is correct please post.
From: stealthycat
02-Apr-18
""Stealthy"cat's idea of "Stealthy" is to post up at a feeder with his xgun...non-hunter "
what?? I have no crossbow hunted in decades and I don't think I've hunted over a feeder except for a late season doe meat in a long time
have no idea what you're gigging at
anyway that's what Kansas said through facebook messaging - if they're wrong, that's on them to get all their information straight, I can't help them being confused on the rules they have - that's on them
From: drbonner
02-Apr-18
Thanks deer plotter. That’s typically what I’ve rec’d Was a conf email stating that very thing
From: N2BUX
02-Apr-18
The difference in Arizona is you don't have to pay for the tag up front. If you draw, they charge you. It's a straight up money grab but I pay it anyway for the privilege to apply and Kansas is doing the same thing if they are indeed requiring a license purchase beforehand. I don't care if Kansas wants to make me buy the license at the time I put in for the draw, I appreciated the old way though since I could buy them at separate times, it was a little easier on the wallet. I think it's funny that some of you residents are happy about the increased non-resident fees. This only increases the percentage of the department's total revenue from non-residents and in turn, makes us, as a group, more important. The people who pay the lion's share of the bills will be the people who are most important to the department. They cater to us, not the residents of Kansas, it's already happening. That's only logical
From: Bowster
02-Apr-18
"Bowster I was told directly from two ladies at Pratt today, you could no longer do that. Read my last post. Shawn"
Shawn you(they) are wrong. You do not have to buy it until you get the tag.
From: N2BUX
02-Apr-18
I bet the majority of the 10% of people who get a tag but don't buy a license were folks who never made it to Kansas to hunt for one reason or another. That said, I'm sure there's always a dummy here and there who doesn't realize they need a license and I'm sure there's a few losers like Matt's friends who think they can get away with not buying one.
From: Quinn @work
02-Apr-18
N2BUX is so right. It's already played out here in CO. Once the states wildlife department get's to suckle off the tit of the the NR's they don't know how to live without it. Kansas is just taking as much cash as they can while they can. The KS deer quality unfortunately is going down because of it.
From: Matt Palmquist
02-Apr-18
Lol!! That is pretty funny. So this thread has really taken off which is no surprise as usual. The wardens that checked us said it happens all the time and they don't like the system. In fact they let my loser friend buy his license on his cell phone while we sat there and didn't even ticket him.
It is a simple fix and I thought they were on the right track at the beginning of this thread. You purchase the license upfront when you apply to avoid people not realizing they have to buy a license with their tag. If you don't draw then refund the license fee with the tag cost. It isn't rocket science.
Many states don't require a hunting license on top of the tag. Every system is different so it is no excuse to not know what you need to buy, but if obviously happens enough that the game wardens shake their head and help a guy out.
As far as Arizona, Nevada, and Utah go, where you have to buy a license to apply as a NR, I bet it does keep a lot of people from applying. I said I would never apply in those states, but am now applying in AZ because of the loyalty point and the hunter ed point. If you stay consistent you start with 2 points even after drawing a tag. Also, I can go down to AZ and hunt OTC deer or quail with the license if time and funds allow. Same could be said for KS with the quality upland opportunties we have.
Good luck to everyone in the draw
Matt
From: Thornton
02-Apr-18
Maybe your boy will get a crack at that 170" with his rifle this year Quinn. Unless another NR shoots him first :)
From: Shawn
03-Apr-18
Also the post that states every NR draws anyway is not true. Just in my circle of friends I know 3 guys who did not draw last year. Shawn
From: N2BUX
03-Apr-18
I'm sorry Matt. Your first post seemed to clearly indicate your friend lied to you when he told you he bought a license after he drew his tag. Forgive me if I misunderstood
From: stealthycat
03-Apr-18
seems like catching poachers and fining them hard would be good revenue for KS ?
from Kansas facebook question I got this response this morning in regards to not having to buy a license when you apply
"so I can go ahead and apply without buying the license and if I draw buy one after ?"
9:26am "The best course of action would probably be to go ahead and purchase your license - that way you are already prepared if drawn, and you're in line with what the regulations require - and if it turns out that you didn't draw, simply call Licensing after the draw has taken place at (620) 672-5911 and they'll refund you the full cost of your license."
for some reason I question that refund will be easy. I mean, I could buy the license, fish a few lakes in April and May ... then say I didn't draw, I could get a refund?
From: Matt Palmquist
03-Apr-18
No worries...I wasn't mad. I wasn't very clear. My point is that he knew what the requirements were, and was sure that he had purchased the license with his permit because they were sure they were going to draw. My mistake was not looking at the documentation he had to be sure, but he was emphatic it was purchased, and he applies all over the place so I let it go.
Matt
From: Shawn
03-Apr-18
Cat you would have to buy the hunt and fish license. The one for 97.50 or whatever is just a hunting license. As I said Sunday morning when I filled out my app. and went to check out a pop-up came onto my screen and said I must buy my Kansas NR hunting license before I could proceed to check out. Again I spoke to the same women Mary in licensing and she said she has been instructed to tell folks to buy their NR license before they can apply. She also told me I would draw with my preference point so I am hoping she is right!! I still think their(KDWPT) best course of action would be to hold the tags and not mail them until you show proof you bought a license!! Shawn
From: Deerplotter
03-Apr-18
Agree with your solution to the problem Shawn. Found out today it is a new regulation and because so they are telling people to buy the general hunting license with the application for deer so they are in compliance. BUT... it will not affect your draw chances if you don’t buy it. If you draw obviously you would have to buy it to hunt legally. She said they are going to be refunding your $97.50 if you don’t draw. I guess if that’s true fine, but that part isn’t in writing anywhere on the app that I can find so not sure you could bank on the refund.
From: Kansasclipper
03-Apr-18
I don't think anyone will have to worry about not drawing, now!
From: Bowster
03-Apr-18
"BUT... it will not affect your draw chances if you don’t buy it." Like I said why buy it. No need to buy it. If you don't buy it you will get refunded for sure if you don't draw:^)
The true solution to this issue is to sell the lic for $552.09 If you don't draw you get it all back except for the $25.00 point fee and the misc. convenience fees. Then there can never be hunters not buying the hunting lic.
From: z hunter
03-Apr-18
You need to realize many already bought their hunting license, they are coming soon to hunt turkeys, or they will come hunt upland, even tho they didnt draw a deer tag,..
Licenses are now valid 365 days from when you buy it.
From: z hunter
03-Apr-18
Apparently, some are able to apply and purchase their lottery selection without buying the hunting licence, others are having to also buy the license..maybe they will award multiple tags again....(system is fubar)
From: keepemsharp
03-Apr-18
Bowster: if you are that bothered by 25.00 maybe hunting outofstate is beyond your means?
From: z hunter
03-Apr-18
From: Quinn @work
04-Apr-18
Don't worry Thornton, unfortunately that 170" will probably be bigger this year and get shot with a rifle out the window of a pick-up truck in September by one of the local poachers.
From: N2BUX
04-Apr-18
I bet the people who don't have to buy a license to apply don't realize that they bought the 365 day license last year and it's still valid. The system knows they have a valid license so it doesn't prompt them to buy one. I can see this getting really confusing when the current one does expire.
From: Timbrhuntr
04-Apr-18
I bought my hunting license weeks ago when I bought my turkey tags but when I applied for deer it still prompted me to buy an annual hunting license !!
From: ksq232
04-Apr-18
Well it looks like the consensus at archerytalk is back to having to buy the license first again. What a mess!!
From: Bowster
04-Apr-18
"Bowster: if you are that bothered by 25.00 maybe hunting outofstate is beyond your means?" Please point to the post were I complained about the 25 fee. What a dim-wit.
N2BUX figured it out. I had a tag last year and purchased the hunting lic in Nov of 2017. If what Thornton's stalker said is correct about the lic being good for 365 days then that is why I was NOT prompted to buy one when I applied. Shawn did not hunt last year so the system made him buy the lic. Problem solved put a knife in it. Your Welcome! Hero!
From: Charlie Rehor
05-Apr-18
Any license purchased last year in November (OR ANY DAY) would have had an expiration date of 12/31/17. This year your license is 365 days from which ever day you buy it. For example I bought mine 4/4/18 and it has an expiration date of 4/4/19.
From: KB
05-Apr-18
Charlie is correct. One caveat though, the 365 licenses did go on sale Dec 15th. However they weren’t valid until Jan 1. Anything purchased Dec 14th or before expired the last day of ‘17. Bowster and N2 can show up with an earlier purchased license, but you guys won’t be any better off than Matt’s “loser” buddy.
From: Shawn
05-Apr-18
Charlie is 100% correct and after speaking to 3 people at Pratt in the last few days. I was told by 2 of the 3 I had to buy a license before I could apply but the girl who answered the phone (did not get her name) said no I could apply wait til I was drawn and then buy a license. When I told her the web-site would not let me do that, she gave me someone else and they said I was correct. They looked up my purchase and said that is what should of happened when I applied. I still do not know where the extra 25 dollar fee came from. I was told it was if I did not draw it would pay for a point for next year, but that is bogus cause if I did draw they would just keep the money, she even agreed that did not seem right but that is what she was instructed to tell people. Shawn
From: JLeMieux
05-Apr-18
I'm going through the process now.
From: KC
05-Apr-18
I applied on Monday for my nr tags. I too noticed the must but a license first notice. But then I logged into my account as I have hunted there before. I was able to apply for the deer tags without buying the license first. My cc has been charged. So it must have been processed. Just waiting for the drawing.
From: Shawn
05-Apr-18
See I have hunted Kansas before as well and when I logged in and got that notice I had to buy the license. It would not let me proceed without it. Shawn
From: Bowster
05-Apr-18
My guess is the software is using artificial intelligence and can recognize cool clients. Once it interacted with me for 3 seconds it immediately knew I am cool and always buy the hunting license. Therefore it did not prompt me to buy the license before proceeding.
I am sure the program immediately flags guys from Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and Oklahoma as habitual offenders and makes them buy the license before proceeding. These are the guys that the first question is always "what does it score" That's my guess anyway.
From: ksq232
05-Apr-18
Just an opinion from a guy who has never hunted out of state and never plans to. If I was applying to draw and was banking on hunting there the upcoming fall, and I wasn’t prompted to buy the license, I would for sure be seeing why. Just because a credit card has been processed does not mean you will be drawn. It would be too bad to be one of the too few that don’t get drawn over a technicality and stubbornness.
From: KC
06-Apr-18
Just went in to the KS website to verify that I am entered. Definitely am.
From: Cazador
06-Apr-18
Reading above it sounds like KS Parks is out to lunch typical government operation.
You might as well get used to it, getting raped by states with up front, non refundable costs is the Norm.
Going to shoot a few turkeys soon so it is what is, but how about a " what's new" section?
From: Cazador
06-Apr-18
From: Quinn @work
08-Apr-18
Bowster, what? I was hoping I was the Thornton stalker? Who are the others, LOL.
From: Bowster
08-Apr-18
Nope! You are not trying hard enough. Maybe in time but you got to prove yourself. A True stalker obsesses and creates entire threads dedicated to the target. In time grasshopper in time.
From: Shawn
10-Apr-18
So did anybody get to the bottom of this?? My buddy just applied this morning and he was prompted to buy the NR license as well, he skipped over the prompt and when he got to check out it prompted him again to buy the license and it would not let him go to check out until he did. Shawn
From: crestedbutte
11-Apr-18
Tick...Tock....you NR’s have 16 days to get to the bottom of it?
From: LTG 11
11-Apr-18
It says on the website in bold, "You will also need to purchase a nonresident hunting license"
This isn't that hard guys.
http://ksoutdoors.com/Hunting/Applications-and-Fees/Deer#scheduleb
From: Shawn
11-Apr-18
LTG 11 that is the point, guys are saying they do not have to purchase until after the draw and some have been allowed to apply without purchasing it. others have had to purchase the license first!! Get it? Shawn
From: LTG 11
12-Apr-18
I know what "some guys" are saying. But the official website says you need it to apply.
There's your answer. The computer system accidentally sent people multiple tags 2 years ago, so I wouldn't rely on that.
Buy the license. CYA.
From: TPlank
12-Apr-18
NR here, have to buy the license. Just went through it.
From: Shawn
12-Apr-18
Again, not everyone is getting that message on the "official web site"!! That is my point, I was at a shoot this weekend and 4 or 5 guys went to the "official web-site" and they were not prompted to buy the license first and were allowed to apply without doing it. Shawn
From: sitO
12-Apr-18
I'm hoping lots of fellas "risk it" ;?)
From: Genesis
12-Apr-18
They have a very thorough answer posted but it requires NR to buy a habitat stamp to access it....:)
Btw,I didn’t get a message but bought the licenses like I do every year for other species.I believe the system would have required me to most likely.
From: ksq232
12-Apr-18
I agree Kyle, there are going to be some disappointed folks in a month. Partially the state’s fault for the confusion.
From: LTG 11
13-Apr-18
I agree, Kyle.
Also, residents have to have a valid hunting license in order to apply for the Elk draw. Only seems fair to do that across the board. I don't recall any refunds though...
On the plus side, I guess we finally found the 1 thing about Kansas that Shawn isn't an expert....
From: Kansasclipper
13-Apr-18
No comment!
From: Shawn
13-Apr-18
Not hard to be an expert when dealing with some of the folks on here!! I don't mind paying up front but it should be the same for everyone!! Shawn
From: Shawn
13-Apr-18
Hell I get busted on guys who live in Kansas that shoot a 100" bucks and I don't even do that. I think Thornton may be a great guy, you need to meet people in person to really know, may be an a-hole like me too! :-) Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
14-Apr-18
You don't want to know!
From: drbonner
24-Apr-18
Everybody in our group had to purchase liscense with permit application as well.
From: stealthycat
24-Apr-18
KS is going to refund all that license money for non-drawing people ? That's going to be chaos I bet
From: N2BUX
24-Apr-18
They're not going to refund any licenses
From: Shawn
24-Apr-18
I was told by 3 different people at Pratt that if not drawn they would refund the cost of the license. I know their are states that don't do that but they also tell you that up front. Kansas has not really stated anything up front. Shawn
From: N2BUX
24-Apr-18
You might be able to call and get a refund after the fact but I doubt it and I guarantee you won't automatically get a refund
From: Deerplotter
24-Apr-18
I was told if you didn’t draw and wanted a refund you just have to send your license back and they would refund. My guess is this may be the last year they do refunds as this whole process was an oversight of sorts with this new requirement. Room for improvement no doubt.
From: z hunter
25-Apr-18
115-4-11(9)
From: Trax
27-Apr-18
Non-res do get their money back minus a small fee. The bigger $442.50 is automatically refunded and the tag fee is returned after you mail back the tag.
From: writer
27-Apr-18
Refunds will be given, by request, for the few who do not draw. Department is trying to get the system to where they hold your CC #. If you draw they charge it for permit and license. If don’t draw, only charge the application fee.
From: Matte
28-Apr-18
Put in for a friend tonight. Purchased his liscense as well. If he doesn't draw well I guess we will go chase birds.
From: Shawn
28-Apr-18
Micheal that is exactly what was told, but I was told with a point I will draw without any problem. Shawn
From: Antlerhunter
03-May-18
Man you guys really love these Kansas deer. Almost 600.00 to just hunt a deer. My wife would definitely not be ok with that one lol!
From: Shawn
03-May-18
It ends up being a lot more than that!! I can do a 15 day hunt for around 2 grand!! Shawn
From: MDW
03-May-18
My thoughts exactly, Jason, but they still keep standing in line to buy tags. It wouldn't be a surprise to see tags go up again in the next year or two. I get a resident landowner tag, so the price is no object.
From: stealthycat
03-May-18
I decided to draw - very likely my last Kansas year as a non-resident
From: Does
03-May-18
When does the drew normally take place?
From: Antlerhunter
03-May-18
Shawn do you lease ground in kansas? Or is the 2000 just fuel food hotels and such?
From: Shawn
03-May-18
No lease, I hunt public and private, my costs are as follows give or take a bit. Fuel =500, Food =300, Motel=600, Tags and License=550. Shawn
From: RonFnC918
03-May-18
I applied over the phone and they told me I wouldn't have to buy a license unless I drew. So i haven't bought a license but have paid for my tags. It's odd how so many people are told different things.
From: MDW
04-May-18
For you guys that are/have applied, even as a resident, I find it hard to believe how many different answers I can get on the same subject when talking to the license office. Looks like they would have a list of frequently asked questions with an official written response?
From: sitO
04-May-18
If you think you guys are having trouble...how'bout the rifle guys? Most of them can't even breathe through their noses
From: drbonner
19-May-18
just got email confirmation that our group was successful in the draw
From: Shawn
19-May-18
I am surprised it seems early but I checked and drew as well!! I am ready to go!! Shawn
From: writer
19-May-18
There goes the neighborhood. Kinda like living in a college town when the kids come back to school.:-)
From: Deerplotter
19-May-18
??
From: drbonner
19-May-18
Lol, I hear u writer. I won’t be doing any keg stands and I’ll (as always) pick up my trash too.
From: Shawn
19-May-18
I will be on my best behavior!! Shawn
From: Deerplotter
19-May-18
Successful draw should be fun.
From: Slate
20-May-18
After all that BS with the licences I got mine also. I will now purchase the licence.
From: Quinn @work
20-May-18
Either Species tag again! Rest of the family drew whitetail only.
From: Trial153
20-May-18
Seems like most NR drew this year as usual. Hopefully a non refundable upfront lic fee cuts down demand in the future, because if they don’t start issuing tags based on management objectives vs demand quotas it will keep sliding downhill.
From: Slate
20-May-18
Cry me a river Trial153. The property I hunt is awesome sorry for your luck. I kill some great animals. The state of Kansas loves our money so we are not going away any time soon.
From: Slate
20-May-18
From: Trial153
20-May-18
Where exactly did I post anything about luck? Per your response its evident that you didn’t even grasp what I wrote.
From: drbonner
20-May-18
The license isn’t non-refundable according to KPWD. If unsuccessful they are claiming you get a refund. The amount of NR permits issued hasn’t changed in a few years iirc.
From: ksq232
20-May-18
Slate, you do realize trial153 is a non-resident too, right? He just happens to a non-resident that realizes Kansas has a limited resource. That would make him an unselfish, savvy non-resident. He is part of a very rare species on this board.
From: z hunter
21-May-18
z hunter's Link
Not seeing any left-overs..can you confirm this Writer? Last yr, there were 826 between 5 units..
From: Jeff in MN
21-May-18
I got a refund, did not draw. Crap. Based on last year's numbers we should have drawn. Are this years draw statistics posted yet? I can't find them and would like to see how much the odds of drawing changed this year.
From: Slate
21-May-18
I was saying sorry for your luck because it sounds like your hoping guys do not draw and I did. I said our money meaning you, me and all out of state applicants. I dont shoot young deer I hunt for mature bucks. I to do not want to see the hunting become bad in Kansas. Guys talk about like all mature bucks are no more. I have killed 3 mature bucks in the last 5 years and have seen in person and on my camera many mature bucks and up and coming bucks. Jeff what unit did you not draw? I spoke to fish and game and I was told if you bought your license and do not draw your tag you can send you license back and get a refund.
From: ksq232
21-May-18
Slate, can you post some pics of these 3 mature bucks? I'm not doubting you, I just want to see, "mature" is a very relative term when it comes to bucks. I've seen mature bucks that would gross in the 120s, I've also seen some immature 150" bucks, it really has little to do with scores.
From: drbonner
21-May-18
If your not doubting why do you need to see them?
From: ksq232
21-May-18
Not doubting he shot them...
From: Slate
21-May-18
I know mature deer has nothing to do with score that is why I said mature and did not give score. Let me figure out how to post some pics I would be happy too
From: Slate
21-May-18
From: Slate
21-May-18
I am no expert but, I would say they are mature.
From: writer
21-May-18
There were leftovers. Not sure as to how many, or when they will be on sale.
From: ksq232
21-May-18
Yes, very nice deer! Thank you for posting.
From: keepemsharp
21-May-18
From the pix they were killed from stands built by someone besides you, probably over a corn pile on land closed to locals. Have been hunting KS for 60 years and may never kill another buck. Because I do not bait, do not plant food plots and everyone around does. dave
From: Slate
21-May-18
I love how people assume. That’s a rifle stand. I was actually just out there this month hanging and moving my stands. I don’t bait. I’m not against if guys want to but not for me
From: Slate
21-May-18
From: Thornton
21-May-18
I'd say Slate knows what "mature" is. Too often it is a relative statement. I ran into an easterner at Eldorado last year and his idea of a mature buck was a 2.5 yr old 6 pt.
From: Shawn
21-May-18
Yup, it appears Todd is shooting only "mature bucks. I would say they are all at least 4.5 or older. Nice bucks Todd!! Shawn
From: Slate
21-May-18
Thanks guys I am not out to ruin Kansas hunting. I understand why guys are protective of what we have.
From: writer
22-May-18
“We”?
That’s a sizable part of the resentment some feel.
From: Slate
22-May-18
Explain writer please
From: Trial153
22-May-18
Hoping for unsuccessful applications in KS would be tottaly counterproductive. Because once demand isn’t being met then the legislators will increase quotas to meet the current demand. Couple that with huge liberalization of KS Regs for residents and NR that taken place over years and I think you will find many in agreement the present and future of KS deer hunting isn’t as bright as the past.
From: cherney12
22-May-18
If they ban baiting soon, it could be brighter than ever...
From: Slate
22-May-18
I never seem to think baiting is easier for shooting mature deer. I do not like baiting because it changes everything about the way I have always hunted. It might be good for hunters that are less mobile and can only get to one spot. I am not against it either way just never thought it was beneficial.
From: cherney12
22-May-18
It's certainly beneficial for outfitters
From: ksq232
22-May-18
Slate, are you a Kansas resident? That is what writer is referring to, why are you saying "we"? It's residents that vote in the guys who make good or BAD decisions when it comes to hunting regulations. It's residents that pay the majority of property taxes. It's residents that choose to work in a state for less money than can be made in others states; simply because it's worth it to us to live here. It's residents who have lived here for forty plus years (most on here longer than that) and watched the rise of deer hunting in this state and the fall of it too. If the regulations get anymore liberal, the fall will become worse. I'm sorry Slate, but you are not a part of the "we"... until you move here that is.
From: Slate
22-May-18
Stop your bitching I pay to come hunt in Kansas and no matter weather you like it or not it wont end. I'm not a resident as you but, you just cant keep all your bases covered can you because I own a good amount of property there and pay taxes. Even if I was a resident I would not be part of you anyway. Like I showed you already the deer hunting is just fine because as you can see there are very mature deer still around. Maybe you just need to take some advise from a non resident how to hunt them.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
Good grief
From: ksq232
22-May-18
One last question for you Slate, if you own a bunch of land in Kansas, why did you apply for a tag?
From: Slate
22-May-18
God you want to know everything about me don't you dam. Figure it out on your own if your so smart. Maybe if you where a bit more welcoming to non-residents you could of been invited to hunt on some of my property. I already allow some great Kansas residents to hunt my land 3 to be exact. Enjoy your hunting season and stop worrying about other guys so much. The hunting in Kansas is wonderful and so are the residents. I have made many great friends there. There are a lot of Kansas residents that make a living off of non-resident hunters. Non resident hunters give alot of money to the hunting, hotel, car rental companies, local airports, and food industry. Every good hunting state has non resident hunters and thrive off of them
From: Slate
22-May-18
At the end of the day "WE" meaning all hunters are pursing what we love. Resident or Non Residents "WE" as all hunters need to stick together.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
I have a number of good friends that non-resident hunters Slate. We sold our first farm to a nice fella from Florida. Part of the reason he bought our property was so he would never have to apply for a tag again; you're missing out!
From: Slate
22-May-18
Well I hope they use my money to help the failing deer population. I am not missing out remember I have a tag this year. I will be out there October 30th cant wait.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
You're right, you aren't missing out because our legislature has made tags so easy to get, you don't even feel it necessary to use your right as a non-resident landowner to secure a tag. The system is horrible, thanks for making the point clear. Now, as for you, it's not your fault our state regs stink; I don't blame you one bit for taking advantage of them. Good luck chasing deer this fall!
From: Slate
22-May-18
They made it so easy really. Scroll up some and look what Jeff in MN posted. Are you happy now.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
Yes, I'm happy, not because Jeff didn't draw, but because the state still draws the line somewhere at least. I never want Kansas to become an over-the-counter state!
From: Slate
22-May-18
So is the system still horrible? Does Kansas still make it so easy to get a tag? Or does Kansas still draw the line just when its convenient for you? Lets be honest your just mad that non-residents kill YOUR resident deer. Lets see some of your mature deer you have killed in the last 5 years. Maybe that is the issue.
From: sitO
22-May-18
Don't waste your time on this dolt James
From: Slate
22-May-18
248 Adam
From: Slate
22-May-18
248 Adam
From: Tejas
22-May-18
Geez.........that’s all I have to say.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
Kyle, I’m beginning to think you’re right. Like talking to a k-state fan during football season. ;-)
From: Slate
22-May-18
Nice pictures James your a killer for sure.
From: ksq232
22-May-18
Lol, I don’t know how to shoot mature bucks slate. I’m a meat hunter. :-)
From: Slate
23-May-18
Well James I’m a trophy hunter that’s why I come out to Kansas all these years and bought property there. I do donate to the less fortunate so send me your number I will drop venison off to you. Here are some more pics of great Kansas bucks. And for you Adam even the stupid guys get lucky sometimes.
From: ksq232
23-May-18
Nice deer! Our freezer is still quite full, thanks though.
From: ksq232
23-May-18
Well crap, call me weak if you want guys. Slate, you’re the last guy I want to show pictures to, but against better judgement... last five years??
From: ksq232
23-May-18
From: Slate
23-May-18
You made good judgment on that buck. Good buck James so it’s not all about the meat. Don’t hate on me but I can see some of you guys just can’t except out of state guys. Whatever it’s all good. Your state is not the only one I get permits to kill animals in.
From: ksq232
23-May-18
From: ksq232
23-May-18
Last couple of years I’ve been on a dry run, got obsessed with a big guy I blew a shot on, still after him.
From: Slate
23-May-18
Great animals James.
From: Slate
23-May-18
Couple bucks killed at home
From: Slate
23-May-18
And just to show you how my property is doing in Kansas. Last summer and after the season closed. Kansas fish and Game are doing a hell of a job in my opinion. A lot of bucks there I didn’t kill and will never kill.
From: Scott in Camo
23-May-18
Doesn't NJ have a forum?
We haven't had a clown like this guy since todd77 and the Sito copycat and trainwreck.
From: Slate
23-May-18
So far I been called a clown and stupid On this forum. I know it does not reflect this site or all contributing members. Just a few ignorant ones.
From: Slate
23-May-18
Scott nice boar you shot over there in OK. How are they with treating out of state hunters ?
From: ksq232
23-May-18
Thank you Slate.
One thing I agree that State legislature has done right so far (the KDWP&T is powerless to bring about change in hunting regs), is keeping rifle season out of the peak of the rut. I have been told by a state rep (a retired wildlife biologist for the state) that it is the goal of many in Topeka to have a 3 month any weapon season for res and non-res alike. How would you like that?
The liberal tag allocation to non-res hasn't negatively affected you, and it has affected me only on a small level, because hunting on public ground is a small percentage of the hunting I do. I know a number of res and non-res alike, who do not have the afforded luxury of hunting large tracts of private, heavily managed ground. (The state has little to do with you having good deer on your ground, other than keeping rifle season out of the rut, as I already mentioned. Big deer are there because you don't pressure them and you allow them to grow older.) These hunters hunt public or private in highly pressured areas, and trust me when I say they would be ecstatic if tags were more limited to res and non-res alike.
From: Slate
23-May-18
No I’m not in favor of rifle season during the rut. To many animals are too vulnerable. Yes I do understand about what your saying about these guys who hunt public and high pressured property. I have been there before it’s very frustrating.
From: ksq232
23-May-18
One more thing, now non-res have to choose a weapon to hunt with. If the state can get "any weapon" added to non-res tags, that's a BIG step towards the 3 month any weapon season. So pray that doesn't happen!! The larger allocation for non-res tags is also a big part of their plan that they have been successful at implementing. Just having more non-res hunt here is not the end goal. Remember, one of the biggest lobbyists in Topeka is Farm Bureau, they want deer eradicated from the state. The state, on the other hand, just wants to milk the cash cow as long as they can.
From: sitO
23-May-18
Could you make a collage showing the different NR options Todd?
From: Slate
23-May-18
Good info James. Thanks.
From: Slate
23-May-18
From: Kansasclipper
23-May-18
Lets all post pictures of ourselves!!!! When you get done with that go stare at yourself in the mirror.
From: Slate
23-May-18
No Jeff not Ourselves that is a little much don't you think and conceited. Pictures of us with the animals we kill.
From: Shawn
23-May-18
Wow, now I at least feel better!! LMAO!!! Thanks! Shawn
From: Kansasclipper
23-May-18
Slate has hired one hell of a photographer. The heads on those animals are all bigger than his entire body. If you could push them forward another 6 inches you might disappear from the picture. That Wyoming 2008 mule deer has a head the size of elephant. The nose on that thing is bigger than Slates head.
From: writer
23-May-18
“We” are those of us with decades invested in this deer herd. Keep ‘em was around when KBA helped set the archery guidelines during the first few seasons. Quite a few have gotten deeply involved when there was talk of a mid-rut gun season. Plenty of us remember the bill that would have had the Kansas National Guard do Deer drives, with shotguns, to wipe out populations near busy roads, or the one that would have had a two-month “doe season” after the January season ended. Several got very vocal in the debate to keep all permits from becoming transferable permits. Even when it did little good quite a few wrote letters, spoke at commission meetings, took time from work to testify in Topeka. Quite a few of us are old enough to remember when seeing a deer was special, and getting one, of any size, made you the town hero and those basket 6s, 115-inch 8s were hard-earned, too. If it wasn’t for guys like Dave, Randy Smith, Ralph Renfro, Skip, and other “gray beards” we wouldn’t have this quality of deer herd. And “we” get a bit frustrated when people who weren’t born when the hard fights were fought or they come in from other states and teach us what we really ought to know about what “our” herd is all about.
From: Slate
24-May-18
It’s going to be a hell of a deer season guys. That’s all I’m saying. I love life fellas and love to hunt. Can’t wait to head back to the great state of Kansas to meet up with My Kansas friends and enjoy another awesome hunting season. I booked a first class seat for my photographer Can’t leave him behind. Lol. Jeff thanks for taking a look at my animals. Some great adventures indeed.
From: Slate
24-May-18
Yo clipper here’s a selfy. I’m up early training for my Elk hunt in 2019. I’m guaranteed a tag next year. Check the Outfitter out. Wagonhound Outfitters. It’s gorgeous out.
From: otcWill
24-May-18
Good 'Ol Kansas forum. Always good for a smile. Like the mouth breather reference, Kyle! It's just deer hunting boys :)
From: Slate
24-May-18
You got it Will ;) that’s all.
From: Slate
24-May-18
Clipper it’s time for the mirror. So you also like taking pictures of the animals you kill. You just don’t have that many do you clipper it’s ok. Head for the mirror you will be ok. LMFAO
From: Slate
24-May-18
Clipper it’s time for the mirror
From: N2BUX
24-May-18
I get what you're saying Writer. But don't discount the nonresidents that have spent 2 decades or more investing in, fighting for, and hunting deer in Kansas. Just because we weren't born in Kansas or live there currently doesn't mean we care any less than you about deer in Kansas. You don't have a monopoly on that
From: keepemsharp
24-May-18
This whole long drawn out ordeal can be summed up in two words,------ "New Jersey".
From: Slate
24-May-18
My good buddy busts my balls about New Jersey all the time. LOL. Money is good in this state but the hunting sucks. So Kansas is my second home. When I retire I will build a house on my property out there. Great point Mr Drake.
From: cherney12
24-May-18
I think we all need to set aside our differences and unite in the fight against baiting before it's too late.
From: Kansasclipper
24-May-18
Slate I don't post too many pics but when I do I put them in the appropriate forum. Why don't you ask around the forum to see how many bucks I have killed in this state. I bet you the P&Y bucks I have killed in this state is more than the years you have been walking this earth.
From: cherney12
24-May-18
This is really turning into a good old fashioned pecker measuring contest...
From: keepemsharp
24-May-18
Wonder what kind of activity this is generating on the NJ site?
From: Slate
24-May-18
Glad to hear it clipper I’m happy for you. You must have some awesome private land like me. My property is about an hour South of Wichita. Well anyway I’m just glad I got my permit after all the confusion and congrats to all the other non residents that also received theirs. I really can’t wait to meet up with some great friends from Kansas guys from PA and FL and hunt laugh and enjoy life. We have a hell of a time and kill some great animals. Oh and Patrick no worries we don’t bait.
From: sitO
24-May-18
Jeff, if you ask nicely I bet Todd would make you a collage...or maybe a God's eye?
From: Thornton
25-May-18
You booked a first class seat for your ..hand? Seems to me. You are obsessed with yourself.
From: Slate
25-May-18
Sito, Thornton good luck this season. Yea it’s definitely good being me. I’m one hell of a blessed man. 10 years straight drawing a tag in Kansas.
From: Slate
25-May-18
Check this out fellas. My good friend Jeff from Kansas will be coming over to NJ this year to hunt bears. The permit is $2 and out of state license is $100. I have huge bear on my property. That was last night out side my back window. We have some of the biggest bear in the country.
From: Slate
25-May-18
From: Does
25-May-18
Slate, dont invite those evil NON residents to hunt OUR animals. They are ruining all of our hunting heritage. They are all bad and dont care about anything but themselves.
From: Slate
25-May-18
Eric LMAO. What part of PA you in. You close to the Delaware River?
From: Trial153
25-May-18
NJ bear hunts, bring you landfill cover scent spray
From: Slate
25-May-18
James have you ever left NY sorry?
From: Trial153
25-May-18
Nope never have.
From: stealthycat
25-May-18
I'm non-resident and have hunted KS most years and in the past 6-7 the outfitters are the ones doing the most damage by leasing up everything.
yes, I know that non-res has to pay to keep them all in business but as Red Dog outfitters told me, lease up for 5 years, kill as many as you can , make money and move on .... it aint about the deer herds or conversation, its a business, make money
:(
and that, is a massive problem right now with hunting in general. There is a place for guides and outfitters, but it can become money rules too, and I think KS has a lot of that
From: Slate
25-May-18
My opinion and only my opinion whoever is running that outfit and if it is in fact the truth what you are saying they are no good and spread the word. I know some great outfitters.
From: Does
25-May-18
Slate, Bucks county Pa here only a few miles from Frenchtown NJ. WE hunt more in Nj than we do Pa. I killed a 494 black bear in NJ last season, BIG bears in NJ. WE hunt some friends land just about 20 min north if Wichita. We do well and are very lucky with what we have.
From: Slate
25-May-18
Good talking to you Eric we will have to meet up out there in Kansas. Should be another great season
From: Does
25-May-18
Sounds good. I offered to meet up for beers with some of these guys but no one took me up on it. Guess they dont like us Non Residents
From: ksq232
25-May-18
Sorry Does, not much of a beer drinker. But if you swing by Coffeyville, I'd eat a burger with ya.
From: Slate
25-May-18
Yea I hear you Eric. That is ok we will have drink their's. James we might be able to do that your not to far from my property at all. PM me your number. If some of these guys where a little nicer they might not have to hunt on over crowded public land.
From: keepemsharp
25-May-18
Why don't you put all this on the NJ site?
From: Slate
25-May-18
Nah Dave Kansas is where I like to be. You guys are stuck with me. What you been up to. Dave I want to hear about all those bucks you have killed. I didn't get a chance to ask around the forum about you. Plus you said it yourself you may never kill another buck because everyone around you are master baiters and they have food plots. If you where a little more welcoming someone might have invited you to hunt better land. I kinda think your set in your ways though.
From: Thornton
25-May-18
Slate, presentation is everything. Some guys on here can hunt half a county. For what it matters, I've killed my biggest buck and turkeys on public - both double bearded toms and a mid 160"s 8 pt. This year I was lucky and got both my birds and a nice buck on my small farm.
From: Slate
26-May-18
Hey its pretty dam cool when you can pull it off on pressured public land so congrats for that.
From: Does
26-May-18
WE usually have dinner at the Benton airport a couple of evenings. I'll put out an open invite when we are headed there in November. I'll buy a round for who ever joins us.
From: Slate
26-May-18
I will take care of the second round.
From: Does
26-May-18
crickets, I hear nothing but crickets.......
From: writer
26-May-18
I’ve had four different non-residents say they want to meet for a beer or burger. None have followed through and called when they’re in state, or sent a message.. Zip. It’s not like I’ve been hard to find.
From: Shawn
26-May-18
Writer I will be in Norton for a couple weeks in November, you come out and bring your bird dog and I will buy dinner and drinks. I know a few spots that are loaded with birds. :-) !! Shawn
From: Ben
26-May-18
Crap! I don't know where Benton is and I live here, but if it's not too far I'd sure come just to talk. The drink would be a plus and I'd buy the second!
From: Thornton
26-May-18
It's 15 min from my house. Its a neat place to eat on a small runway and watch the planes come in on the edge of Wichita.
From: Trial153
26-May-18
Writer i still remember our phone conversation for the article you were writing. I was pleasantly surprised to read my quotes, well done btw. I glad to say i have met couple of KS bowsiters over the years and am happy to call them friends. In fact i cant say enough of good about the Kansas residents i have been fortunate to interact with over the years. Needless to say your deer hunting isnt the only thing i envy about the state. The people are the salt of the earth.
From: writer
26-May-18
Surprised I used your quotes or surprised they were accurate? ?? Only done that kind of thing about 7,000 times. Long ways out there Shawn, but maybe. Always enjoy the updates you send when you’re out here. Kansans are all great people. We take turns being the rare jerk to keep things interesting. Kyle and I are so good at it we get more turns than others. If you go to the airport, get a basket of their onion rings in my honor.
From: Shawn
26-May-18
I know Michael but I can hope or meet ya half way somewhere. I have a new Golden Retriever that is showing a lot of promise. He will be about 11 months when November rolls around. He has a great nose but has to slow down a bit but he is doing very well. I have shot quite a few chukar over him and he is also retrieving well for only 5.5 month. I myself love Kansas and most everyone I have met out there are great folks!! I cannot wait, I have found a couple new pieces of ground to look into this year as well!! Shawn
From: Trial153
27-May-18
Writer both I guess. In any event it was nicely written article and I am glad we took the time to talk.
From: Trax
28-May-18
My son got his Masters fro K-State. I spent some time in Manhattan and surrounding area. I’ve never met nicer people than I did in Kansas and Manhattan is a great town. For the first time will be bow hunting Kansas this year, Unit 10. Don’t know what to really expect but it’s all fun.
From: Antlerhunter
28-May-18
Slate let it go man.
From: Slate
28-May-18
Good luck Trax hope you have a great time and get a good one
From: bowonly
30-May-18
Just putting in my two cents from a lowly non resident from Louisiana(I use the full spelling because most people think LA is Los Angeles). I was convinced by a trusted friend of mine to put in for the draw this year in KS to hunt public. Never hunted KS before and was little apprehensive due to bad press given about the condition of the deer herd. Well, we were drawn for units 14 and 12. And though I haven't read every post in this lengthy thread, I can tell you I was not required to buy my NR license prior to applying for the draw. It is my understanding, that had I purchased my NR license and not gotten drawn I would not have been refunded the price of the NR license. I am anxious and thankful for the opportunity to hunt the great state of KS. I can only hope it is half the experience I had in Iowa last season. If so, it will be well worth the high price of the NR fees! God bless!
From: Slate
30-May-18
Good luck Jeff hope you enjoy your hunt.
From: Trax
30-May-18
When I applied I was sent what I thought was a tag. Then I was drawn. Do they now send me an actual license or tag in the mail? When I called to apply I was told that my full fee of $500+ dollars would be refunded if I was not drawn minus a minor fee. Fortunately I now don't need to test that.
From: Slate
30-May-18
Yes they will send you your license and tag. Should of got email telling you that you got it also
From: Cazador
31-May-18
Some years they send you two either sex tags along with two antler-less. Shoot the first buck that comes by, and wait for a nice one later.
From: Slate
31-May-18
Cazador are you sure about this. I only ever knew Kansas as a one buck state. Maybe I am wrong but that has never happened to me.
From: writer
31-May-18
Kansas is a one buck state. He’s trying to stir the pot. Accidentally sent out two permits to many one year. Most hunters did the right thing before even being asked and sent them back or destroyed one. They tracked down most. Few may have shot two bucks. But we always have some who don’t tag a buck, process it and then go shoot another. Most of those poachers are jack-wagons from Colorado. (My turn.)
From: Shawn
31-May-18
Nice!! I never received an e-mail but checked my account and know I drew. I do see there are some leftovers in 3 units. Shawn
From: z hunter
01-Jun-18
247 total left overs..demand continues to rise. Its by far the fewest # of leftovers ever..last yr, there were 826..just a few yrs ago, it was over 4000..
From: ksq232
01-Jun-18
I bet they raise the number of tags next year, ignorant as they are.
From: Thornton
01-Jun-18
The ignorant ones are the buyers that think a 140" is a giant and pay $20/acre for a lease. I think I'll wander down to the hardware store in a few months and buy my $22.50 tag.
From: Shawn
01-Jun-18
Jason come to NY or any state in the Northeast and see how many 140" deer you kill. Even in Kansas a 140" deer is not a bad buck at all even for a Kansas resident. Why do I say that? I have seen some of the bucks Kansas guys shoot and trust me they are not all monsters and many would not even push 140"s. Shawn
From: Thornton
01-Jun-18
You failed to see my point. From all the publicity and high dollar tags to the fact that we do grow bigger bucks, I would think more folks would let those 140" ten pointers walk. If you constantly base your standards on your home state, why even bother? Even hunting on public and highly pressured private in other states and 1 province, I've found if you are patient, you will very likely get a shot at a big one.
From: BODYMAN
01-Jun-18
BLA BLA BLA
From: Slate
01-Jun-18
Big is in the eye of the beholder. Thornton do I want to kill bigger deer then 140 yes and many guys do but hunting wouldn’t be fun for many if you told them what to shoot. I think the 1 buck tag makes a lot of guys think twice before shooting and if not they are done after they do shoot. Remember if someone doesn’t shoot the big one then he is still alive. That’s not bad thing either
From: BODYMAN
01-Jun-18
I hunt to have fun and relax i don,t really care if i tag out any more.I buy the nr tag and pay the money because its more or less my vacation and a chance to wind down from 55 hr weeks
From: Thornton
01-Jun-18
True but that practice still has proven ineffective. It creates a smaller pool of bucks that actually get big.
From: BODYMAN
01-Jun-18
You guys need girlfriends
From: z hunter
01-Jun-18
Welcome back Frank
From: ksq232
01-Jun-18
A lot of mature bucks are running around Montgomery and Chautauqua counties that would score less than 140”. My dad has been chasing an old 6 point for three years that wouldn’t go in the 30s. I do see your point though, about the young ones with potential getting shot.
From: ksq232
01-Jun-18
He actually put on a seventh point last year and my dad was very disappointed. ;)
From: Slate
01-Jun-18
Bodyman. Hell no I have a wife and girlfriend I don’t need another. I’m exhausted lol
From: Slate
01-Jun-18
James he looks mature.
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
Thanks Brian these boys never change Jason still a preacher this new guy slate Damn must have a really rich daddy wifes girlfriends hunts all over the world Does he ever work? Hey miss clip and where the hell are u sit
From: Shawn
01-Jun-18
My point was missed as well, the first part was not but my comments about a lot of Kansas residents shooting lots of bucks that score under 140"s was. Like I said maybe when the many of the residents set an example and let those bucks walk than maybe more NR's will as well. My biggest gripe about NR's of which I am one is when I talk to them or see a buck they shot a lot of times they say look at this 130" deer best buck I ever shot and it was my fist day of a 10 day hunt. That kills me!! Sorry on the last few days of a hunt you may do every 3 or 4 years than yes but not the first friggin day. Shawn
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
I have NEVER mesured a rack when i turn loose its on a full body deer I look first at the body the color the neck That deturmends a mature deer NOT inches
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
You want to kill a 160 go to se okla or texas they have a lot weigh about 110lbs I want a 250lb er dont eat antlers
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
Jason your a kansas Boy you should know a mature ks buck weighs 180 to 300 lbs piss on the rack COMEON!!
From: z hunter
01-Jun-18
Lifes not fair Frank, youre old enough to know that.
Envy of others success much?
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
I dont know that its sucsess
From: bodyman
01-Jun-18
I think you earn it dont you brian i did
From: Thornton
02-Jun-18
Body man you must be blind. Perhaps you are a reincarnated member they just barred? Did I not say 140" ten points? I hunted a big 7 just like that one for three years on my farm when I bought it. He disappeared when he turned 6 and his last photo he was a neat looking heavy 7 pt with stickers that would not go 140"
From: Thornton
02-Jun-18
Yep, same stupid comments lacking intelligence. It took you a couple months to figure out how to use a new IP address and change your name. BTW, a 300 lb buck is a rarity where I hunt. I've only shot one in 21 years and as many bucks. Neither of my Canada bucks weighed that much either.
From: Slate
02-Jun-18
F A Bodyman
From: bodyman
02-Jun-18
I dont hate any of you guys or envy anyone lifes to short for that
From: Trial153
02-Jun-18
We should start an exchange program....
From: Quinn @work
02-Jun-18
Didn't read all the posts but was wondering if anyone won the @#$% size competition or has it not been posted yet? LOL. Great pissing match.
