How did you make out with the new system
Pennsylvania
Well, it's almost 8am on the first day of license sales................................just wondered how everyone is making out with the new system?
I will wait and see how things are going before I buy my license/tags....................................probably Thursday or Friday.
Here's what I got when trying to log in: "You are now in line" Your Position in line is 26,673 Enter your email to be notified when your number comes up.
My buddy just texted me................he logged on at 7:15 and is 14,971 in line.........
And he says you only have 10 min to complete the transaction once you get the e-mail or.......................you go to the end of the line!
My buddy is about 4600th in line. I'm not doing mine today. I have no reason to wait in line.
The email sent to me says this: When your turn to enter the website you are waiting in line for is coming up, we will send you a reminder by e-mail. You should return to the line as soon as you receive the reminder, as you will be given a limited time slot to enter the website and start your transaction. If you do not start your transaction within this time limit, you will lose your turn and place in line, and will have to start over.
IMPORTANT: Please keep in mind that e-mails may be delayed, moved to your spam folder, or lost due to reasons beyond our control. Queue-it does not guarantee the timely arrival of this e-mail, or your reminder e-mail, to your Inbox. Therefore, we recommend that you check your status in line frequently to avoid losing your chance to enter the website you wanted to visit. As I said before..........watch what you ask for!!
I'm kinda waiting to see if the old system was better. Just the sheer number of hunters in Pennsylvania, maybe a problem. For me I had no problem with the old system. I'm thinking/guessing that the only folks that will benefit from this, will be that small number of doe tag buyers that buy a lot of tags. For all the rest it's going to be a pain in the ass. Lets wait and see. One of my friends on face book just posted he is only 37551 in line.
FUBAR.
The state takes a system that worked perfectly fine and turned it into a clusterfu@!.
For those going to buy over the counter today...Why wouldn't the wait be just as long at a store? After all, they operate on the same system, right?
FUBAR
Goin to be a joke , goin to try after work go to the store and buy them , they should of left things alone pink envelopes have worked for me for the last 38 years of my hunting career, never had 1 single problem , I've always said if it's not broke don't fix it...
Yep- I figured there would be some hiccups! But I hunt in WMU’s with plenty of doe tags.................so it is no rush for me.
I do feel bad for those guys with limited tags in their area! : (
PGC could screw up a one car funeral.
Just think, all this just cause 1 guy didn't like pink envelopes:-)
Many of us don't hunt units that sell out doe tags quickly, so don't sweat it. Log on 3 days or a week from now and most likely will be smooth sailing. Just do it before NR can apply (July 10). If only those that hunt units that sell out quick in first round had logged in this morning there would be no problems, but too many don't understand how it works.
Everyone should be guarenteed one tag in the WMU of their choice whenever they buy their license, whether that is the first day licenses go on sale or the day before deer season begins. The great majority of folks get their first choice anyways these days. Then the remainder can be awarded with this new system. That would reduce the initial crush and everyone would get at least one tag if they wanted.
Last check: Your number in line: 26789 Number of users in line ahead of you: 20832
Heres a link to doe tags remaining.
Not sure how offen it's updated.
https://www.huntfish.pa.gov/pa/antlerlesswmu/remainingquotas
Sitting home doing nothing I'm looking a facebook hunting groups. Guys are starting to use the f word and other guy said he spent more time trying to get this license than the last 10 and didnt get it yet.
I in at 69,949 lol by the time I filled out my pink envelope and put it in the mail I knew I was getting my 1st round antlerless tag! Folks all over the internet complaining lololol and most are going to WALMART to get their licenses lolol
C'mon man. Pink envelopes are dead. Bury them and move forward. It's 2 hours into the first day, if we were a month in and this was happening, but alas. Pennsyltucky has spoken.
#bringbackthepink
Better yet, every license comes with (1)one buck tag, (1)one doe tag.
I believe Pa simply has to many hunters for this type of system. This system as i said earlier is only going to benefit the hunter that gets high numbers of doe tags.
Tom. Embrace it, nurture it and breathe. The sun will shine through I promise you.
6,523 is the number of Hunters processed in the last 2 1/2 Hours..
John,
No worries here. I'm just amazed that PGC, in 2023, still can't pull this off. They stated they had contingencies for the high volume of traffic. Putting 46K+ users in a "waiting room" is NOT a contingency. It's an abject failure. I imagine a single core chip server running Windows NT, possibly Server 2003...
Well, we can't hunt until September anyway but pennsyltucky hunters have zero patience. But, there are the people that had a death grip on the pink envelopes and are just itching to make sure the new process sucks and is prohibitive to the rest of us. I'm sure that it was will be fine in a few days.
In line since 8:03...it's 10:47.
Isn’t today your birthday?? Lololol Happy Birthday:)
29,159 ahead of me. I'll be lucky to get application in by Friday.
FUBAR
Happy birthday Bob, not sure that's how you wanted to celebrate though.
Glad I decided to wait, now the question is for how long.
5C, No one had a death grip on the envelopes but the fact is that it WORKED. And I would call this morning a blatant failure. This will happen on each day that antlerless tags go on sale. Some of us try for counties that normally sell out fast so its not a crime to want to get in line and not have to spend all day waiting. I've spent the last 20 years doing what the PGC has asked us to do with regards to does, and I have access to properties that are based on that reality. No doe tags, no hunting. All the PGC has done in recent years is handcuff those of us trying to do what they asked. That being said, you can go pound your Pennsultcky comments.
I bet it’s a conspiracy by the county treasurers ....................wanting to get their 1$ processing fee back for every application! ;-)
11:18 - there are 88,848 people ahead of me in line.
I really wasn't interested in buying one right now, just wanted to see how long the line was. I can wait a couple of days.
Great entertainment. Not sure what is melting down faster, the system or the people in line that really don't need to be.
From: Bob McArthur 26-Jun-23
FUBAR. The state takes a system that worked perfectly fine and turned it into a clusterfu@!.
Horse and buggies work just fine too Bob...................BUT the only people who still use them are trying to live in the 1800’s! ;-)
This is ALL your fault Perry!! #blameperryfoFUBAR
4 hours in. Some people at the PGC need to fired because of their incompetence.
Just heard system crashed ... damn I miss those pink envelopes ...
Ok, if its taking so long to get a license, how is this better?
My grandson just applied for his 1st hunting license! He’ll be 1 in less than 2 weeks. I figure that he’ll get his license by the time he’s 12:) hey but we saved BIG BUCKS on a couple stamps!
"Great entertainment. Not sure what is melting down faster, the system or the people in line that really don't need to be."
So true. Everyone who is waiting either doesn't understand how things work, or is only waiting so they have something to bitch about. They're the same guys who were standing in line at the courthouse last year the first over the counter day.....
Simple solution, guess those unlimited 2b and 5c doe tags are universal this year good for every county in pa .. simple as that....
Nice suggestion, but 2b and 5c are not unlimited......
Pennsyltucky. Breathe man. It's day #1. And.... you're only allowed to buy 1, uno, singular doe tag anyway. Even the hardest units, 2F,2G Don't sell out on the first week.
Those that are down playing today. Wait till the second round when doe tags are getting limited and even the 3rd round when guys are trying for a few hours and then they get sold out after trying and didn't get a tag. I personal think those days are going to be worse than today.
Down players, Whats your response/thoughts to that?
From: Griz26-Jun-23
This is ALL your fault Perry!! #blameperryfoFUBAR
LMBO! I was waiting for that Chris......................................
Relax? Stop with the bootlicker rhetoric. Our money is paying for this clusterf@!. We have a right to expect it to work on day one.
Bob McArthur26-Jun-23
Some people at the PGC need to fired because of their incompetence.
Bob- you DO realize this is run by a private company right?(the PALS system?)
No one is downplaying anything. 5 hours in and the sky is falling.
Perry, the company providing the service is, by contract, part of the PGC. So, the people at the PGC who signed off on this should be fired.
Hey Bob, what GMU are you so anxious to get your AL for? LOL
Teeton, I'm not sure anyone is downplaying today. It's the first day of a new system and therefore not surprising that there is a wait, especially given the fact that 100,000+ hunters seemed to think that they needed to rush right on and buy their license and one tag. Has anyone even been denied an AL license, in any GMU, in the first round in recent years?
From: Stekewood26-Jun-23
Hey Bob, what GMU are you so anxious to get your AL for? LOL
I was wondering the same thing, Steve! ;-)
Stekewood, I total agree with you about today. I'm not even trying today and I have the time today. Whats your take on the second and third round when 400k+ hunters know tags are now limited and time is essential.
Bob, hang in there buddy.................................you'll get your 6 tags for 5D before Sept 16th! : )
Ran out at lunch. Picked up Subway, stopped at Walmart, got my tag(s) & my sons tag(s). All told, took me 45-50 minutes total.
Ed, My hope is that the vendor has learned from what happened today, and in the two weeks that we have before the next round, they make some changes to rectify the problem. Time will tell, but they will get it straightened out eventually, and the pain in the ass pink envelopes will not be returning!
I just read on a facebook post to check your tags licenses. I'm guess with the heavy load on the system. Some, after printing out had the wrong names on the licenses.
I have a picture of my grandson working my laptop…… It’s just too dang funny lolol
From: Bowbender 26-Jun-23
Ran out at lunch. Picked up Subway, stopped at Walmart, got my tag(s) & my sons tag(s). All told, took me 45-50 minutes total.
That CAN’T be! I thought the system “crashed?!” ;-)
Yeah, somebody sent that fake meme to me...............but when I saw “PAGC” referencing the Game Commission, I knew it was bogus!
NO WAY! You are ......................TERMINATED!!!!!!! LOL! : )
My buddy got thru at 1:54 after waiting online since 7:15 am. He’s retired but works part time at a local sporting goods store so he wanted to experience what it was, like so he could tell his customers.
Not acceptable, but NOT unexpected....................
What is concerning however, is their Cueing system...................he got on at 7:15 and one of his buddies got on at 7:45 but his buddy somehow got his license and tags around noon! So something ain’t right there..................
Crashapotumus. Heard that all morning, but alas. The pink envelope conspiracies rambling on.
Only 82,399 AL tags left in my unit!!
Got to Walmart at 10:45, got my licenses at 2:15. The system CRASHED. The Walmart people where great, the people in line, great. AND the only comment being asked, Why did they do away with the pink envelopes? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
They did away with them because that whole system was archaic and who's time had come. And, with 7 hours in the bank, a little too early for doom and gloom.
7.5 hours in...what a joke.
7 hours and 57 minutes from the time I logged on till I logged out with my license. No. I did not need to get it today but in subsequent rounds it proves they are incapable of handling the load. Maybe they can improve it but I doubt it. My deer season strategy will be up in the air until the end of this debacle. Not the end of the world but not as it should be either.
Bob, wait till you try and get a second and third doe tag and tags are limited and 400k+ guys are trying to get one. This is the easy day.
Pa is at least 21 years behind New York who has used similar licenses and tags for years. It's about time they moved into the 21st century. I went to Wal Mart there were at least 30 people in line already. No time to panic I'll check back in a couple days and get my tags NO PROBLEM!!!
Took Mom to Walmart today. What a line in sporting goods, at least 30 people waiting at 2:00.
9 hours & 12 minutes & it's completed! Lightning fast.
Do you guys always buy your license on day 1? Is lines of 30 people at Walmart and sporting good stores normal for first day on sale? Or is it all doe license hype? This is the first year in 6 that I didn't buy mine as soon as they went on sale.
There are 112000 ahead of me. I closed out. Another day.
Jethro- the weekend before the first round of doe tags went on sale typically were the longest lines at sporting goods stores (starting Friday)..........historically.
I always bought mine WELL before that- not on the first day, but usually before the 4th of July.
From: 4406v 26-Jun-23
Pa is at least 21 years behind New York who has used similar licenses and tags for years. It's about time they moved into the 21st century.
Ron, how can New York get it right 21 years ago and PA has so many problems? I have been talking with NY sportsmen at work for years who say the system works great. You would think that if NY has been doing it for THAT long, PA could have learned from them...............Don’t these state officials talk to each other?!
2G sold 50% of their doe tags.
Tom- that’s the ONLY WMU that should have been of concern to people! Most WMU’s barely sold 1 or 2,000 tags today.
There is absolutely NO REASON for people to try to buy their license/tag TODAY for a WMU with 40, 50, 60 or 70,000 tags!
That was apparently a BIG part of the problem..................
If they truly want the system to work. Instead of computerizng a sh!tty system, which is all they did, do like DPMS and others have suggested. Doe tag comes with your license. Extra tags, use this Charlie Foxtrot.
I think it was long overdue to modernize the old pink envelope process.
But this new process is insane. If anyone proposed this solution in a design review meeting at our company they would be laughed out of the room.
My prediction: this year is the last time they use this crazy process. Hell, even the NY DEC have an instant doe tag process that allows for zone quotas and you know in 60 seconds if you are awarded a tag! They should have just duplicated their process.
Rut nut- what you said. No reason all of those people logged in well before 8 to get in line and jam it up. Why? To get a doe tag that you can only get 1 of?
Rut,
There are at least 3 other units that hit 20% or close to it. 3A was at 21%, 4C, 16%. That was around 3pm. I'll take bets 2G is sold out tomorrow. Maybe Wednesday.
Tom, Ok- 20% is still far from100%...............NO NEED to buy on the very first day! Common sense says wait a day or 2......................
No need. But, but, but I was online at 6:59 am and I was 12,379 behind already! I truly believe that those guys have double stamp, quadruple checking, handwritten check, post office trip, pink envelope withdrawal.
C'mon Perry, I can do maths. 20% in one day...by weeks end, units that typically had tags well into the 2nd round could be gone. Please, don't defend this. It's 2023. Amazon has literally millions of users every day. Same with other on-line venues. They don't crash. They put infrastructre in place. It's called knowing your customer base. I realize the irony of that statement, given how the PGC operates.
On a serious note. The pgc sent a email with a video attached to it stating they doubled the antlerless sales for the first day in record fashion. So, yup technology sucks and the online was a mistake.
Round 2, 6k tag left in my unit. I work 8 to 5, can't use computer or cell phone because of work. Well I guess I can take a vacation day, right? System is working fine and theres to stress on me not getting a tag, yes sarcasm.
But tell me this will not be a scenario.
Tom, I’m not trying to defend the system...............I’m just saying the BAD system was COMPOUNDED by people panicking and trying to do it on the FIRST day! You don’t think it would have worked better if all these people TODAY were spread out over the entire first WEEK?
I’m with Pat............if NY has a similar system that has been WORKING for 20+ years why didn’t they just copy that? You can’t tell me there aren’t at least some PGC Employees that are familiar with a bordering state’s system! : (
The usual suspects are criticising the customers for using the only system a government agency made available to them, instead of criticising the incompetent government agency for rolling out something we all knew was going to be a clusterfu@!.
Question what is Pa going to do to alleviate all the problems that occur today and especially the problems that are going to occur in round two and three.
I'm sure the 6,10, 15 and 30 doe tag guys a year are going to love this system. What legislator was pushing for this system? I'd like to fire off an email to him, politely asking for a solution.
Im just having fun today! I bought my antlerless license literally 12.5 hrs from start.
Ima send a pink envelope to my treasurers office with a thank you card for all the hassle free years of service give to me!
“The usual suspects are criticising the customers for using the only system a government agency made available to them, instead of criticising the incompetent government agency for rolling out something we all knew was going to be a clusterfu@!.”
I think the usual suspects were just smart enough to not unnecessarily torture themselves by waiting 9 hours and 12 minutes to get a license that they will be able to get in less than five minutes later this week.
AMEN Steve! : )
Bob- call 1-833-PGC-HUNT and tell them you want them all fired! ;-)
“The usual suspects are criticising the customers for using the only system a government agency made available to them, instead of criticising the incompetent government agency for rolling out something we all knew was going to be a clusterfu@!.” I think the usual suspects were just smart enough to not unnecessarily torture themselves by waiting 9 hours and 12 minutes to get a license that they will be able to get in less than five minutes later this week.
^^^^^^^^^^^And just like that, common sense prevails on Bowsite^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn't really care but when I got the notice I was up I went online and bought my doe license. All my other licenses were free - got to love the lifetime license.
Coming from an IT background (health IT which is pretty mission critical that it always works) I have to side with Bob, not to criticize the PGC but to criticize the PALS operation. There is no excuse for not doing a thorough stress test to see how the system would respond to the large influx of requests. I don't know enough about this to criticize the PGC but if the PALS system is totally outsourced (and I believe it is) and if the PGC was told and shown that the system would work, there isn't anything more to expect of them.
Don't Ny have a point system for doe tags? I also don't think Ny gives out 800+ doe tags. Also I believe Ny only has 450k in hunter numbers. Not sure, but I don't think Ny has a round 2 or 3. Is Ny better system, I don't know . But I wouldn't call it an apples to apples comparison.
I totally agree Phil. I think it’s obvious that the system did not perform as well today as it should have. It’s just surprising how many people have been bitching about waiting in line, in person at a licensing agent, or virtually, when there was absolutely no reason to. Not just here, but in every Pennsylvania hunting group on social media.
Today was definitely a big hiccup, but it will get straightened out, and it will absolutely prove to be a better system than those archaic two stamp envelopes.
I got right on this morning with no wait. I didn't buy anything as I am no rush to do so and don't want to jam the system up for others that want 2G or another unit that sells out.
It usually takes my treasurer 1-3 days to process my doe aplications. So essentially this new system was faster on average than the old way. Tags left in every unit this morning. Kinda funny that so many felt like they had to wait in line at 8 yesterday which only jammed the system up. Especially those getting tags for units where it typically takes weeks or longer to sell out.
Gene- I just checked to see how many tags were sold in the special regs areas. Absolutely NO REASON for anybody to buy tags yesterday there! 2B had 898 tags sold, 5C had 4,914 and 5D had 1,613 tags sold. That is a total of 7,425 people clogging up the system.............................. unnecessarily!
I went to the local hardware store at noon yesterday. Renewed my lifetime license and got my first doe tag. Couple people ahead of me, so about 10 minutes total. At least no worries about applications or tags lost in the mail.
As a NR buying my PA lic. for the 42nd Straight year I got my Hunting, Archery and NR Bear license yesterday by waiting for the email. Easy peasey once I got on. I can’t get my first Antlerless tag until 7/10.
I see this am they have processed 222,000 requests and the current wait time is around 5 minutes. Not bad for the number one whitetail state in the US.
This new system reminds me of when Gary Alt brought on the antler minimums. People were for and opposed to the changes but everything got better once implemented.
"Gene- I just checked to see how many tags were sold in the special regs areas. Absolutely NO REASON for anybody to buy tags yesterday there! 2B had 898 tags sold, 5C had 4,914 and 5D had 1,613 tags sold. That is a total of 7,425 people clogging up the system.............................. unnecessarily!"
Exactly. For 3/4 of the other units, there is absolutely no rush either.
So I lied. I was going to wait until later in the week and then go to an issuing agent, but I started reading about how people were taking less than 10 mins today so I signed on just to see. Less than 10 mins later (and $160) I'm the proud owner of a 2023-24 hunting license and doe tag. I didn't really mean to buy it today but I just kept clicking stuff and WALA! It kept working.
Gene said something I actually agree with. Wow. I hope this doesn't mean that a trend is starting. Absolutely no reason for the majority of people to jam it up yesterday.
Doe license the opening story on this morning local news WNEP here in the northeast. Interviewed people that waited in line 5-6 hours at Walmart to get their license.
Interviewed PA Game News editor Bob Frye saying doe licenses are limited we encouraged people to get out or online and get them as soon as possible. So PGC not helping themselves with that kind of announcement. Some lady from a county treasurers office saying the opposite. Paraphrasing here - they don't ever sell out on day 1, not everybody needs to get their license on Monday.
bought my tags and elk apps this am, took all of 7 minutes
I logged on last night around midnight. I waited a total of two minutes to get in. It looked like it was going to be a long wait since there were almost 10,000 ahead of me, but I guess a lot dropped out after looking at the number ahead of them. I processed my order in less than 10 minutes total. Now, I wait for the mail!
Ah yeah. The mail. The same anti hunting mail people that delayed all of the pink envelopes, those people?
I logged on yesterday about 8:30AM. Was #56822. Got in at 7:30PM. As I understand it the system was designed to herd excess applicants into a "holding" area and then notify them by email when they could actually log in. Once you received the email you had a 10 minute window to log in. Yes I waited a long time but, IMO the system seemed to work as designed. Once logged in, it took me less than 10 minutes to renew my Senior license and purchase my 2A antlerless tag. I hope we're done with the pink envelope system for good.
From: Bowhunting 5C 27-Jun-23
Ah yeah. The mail. The same anti hunting mail people that delayed all of the pink envelopes, those people?
Yes- the USPS..............the model of efficiency! LOL! Check out the tracking on a recent package I got from NJ. Went to Lehigh Valley TWICE!
All I can say is......It's about stinkin' time!
I just got in line, 5000 ahead of me, twenty minutes later I was done. Worked beautifully, just like when I bought NR licenses from several other states over the years.
PA has finally stepped out of the dark ages.
185000 antlerless licenses were sold yesterday. 38000 sold last year through the CT method.
If the above info is correct, I would say that the system worked well and much more efficiently than the old system.
Tuesday update: the sky didn't fall, the seas didn't boil and cats and dogs are not living together in harmony. Welcome to the world of technology. More than doubled the output from the first day of doe tags. Ho hum. Now if the 2F, 2G guy's don't have good mail service, this will be the next complaint.
Well, I will say the sun didn't come up today. But we needed the rain.
I did mine this afternoon. Went quickly.
Now to see if round 2 and 3 go this quickly.
Did anyone try to get on the PALS system yesterday to access fishing related items? I'm wondering if they experienced the same delays?
Asking for a friend
The PGC seems to be backpedaling a bit from that video the executive director put out earlier in the day yesterday........................
Crisis averted, Pennsyltucky is intact and moving onto round #2.
So it wasn't the consumers fault...as I tried to tell the "Usual Suspects."
Bob, it's all God, all good. Onto the second round...
It remains to be seen. Rounds 2 & 3 will give us the answer.
Many folks are gonna line up in person and online as soon as round 2 and 3 go on sale and 90% OF THEM DON'T HAVE TO which will jam the system up needlessly for those that are trying for tags in imited areas. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Of course it worked fine on Tuesday. Its much like that submarine: All is good when its sitting on the surface but, apply pressure and the cracking begins. I believe it will be just as bad on each subsequent round but as units sell out the overall numbers of people should decrease. Time will tell but the true test of any system, machine, theory, or process is when it is under extreme pressure and usually a safety margin is built in for those extremes. Does not appear so in this case.
There are AL licenses remaining in every WMU right now. Was Monday a mess? Sure it was. Do they need to improve the systems ability to handle heavier volume? Of course.
But the bottom line is that every single person has gotten their AL license in their first choice WMU, so it worked, and those who understand the system didn't wait.
No one is blaming the consumers for the bogged down system. There was no reason for anyone to wait in line on Monday, and seeing them do so, and bitch about something that they didn’t have to go through in the first place is comical.
Some people are just whiners by nature. No matter how rounds 2 and 3 go, guys like Mr. FUBAR will cry about it. And when the system gets straightened out and runs smoothly, whether it’s in round 2 or 3, or next year, they’ll move on to the next topic. Keep the box of tissues nearby…….
90% of people are pretty happy. 5% of people are "eh" and 5% are ready to stand in line again needlessly.
How can this system be improved so working folks that cant get on till after work, have a fair change at limited bonus tags and the older less tetchie folks have fair chances?
Well said Steve! And LOL! : )
Did I want it to perform flawlessly? Yes, because my/our money pays for the PALS System. I expected it to work a hell of a lot better than it did. I guess I have higher expectations than the Usual Suspects. I expect this to never happen again. I hope the State meets my expectations, because like it or not, this is how it's going to be every single time the hunting licenses/antlerless licenses go on sale from this point forward
LMAO....The acceptance of mediocrity (or worse) right from the get go with the attitude of "They'll work things out" is astonishing. How many of you would get away with producing work or managing projects like this?
I design hi speed custom automation. First thing we do, is understand the customer requirments. Once designed we exercise the system. When we run OQ/PQ we push the system as hard as we can to find out if the upper limits meet or better yet exceed customer expectations. We don't send it out, bring it online, then tell our customer "Yeah it was a dismal failure, but we'll ge there". End user isn't for Beta testing.
Right Ed....................NOBODY ever gets on Bowsite or the PGC website during work hours! ;-)
It is a concern Ed. The older "less techie" crowd (i.e. retired) I believe can get to a point of sale place. Maybe the bonus rounds should have a Saturday opener for the rest of us:)
So, in all the complaints, gyrations and grips did anyone in 3 days not get their first choice of an antlerless tag?
The answer is no. Pennsyltucky called, 1950 wanted it's pink envelopes back.
Good riddance to them, happy trails... I round up all the pink ones, the red ones and the yellow ones with the pre address labels and saved them for the next fire pit. Pictures later.....
Got mine and sons license this morning, no issues or wait with the system. Figured after reading this thread, I'd just wait. Just like opening day fishing, streams are crowded for a few days and then nothing. I'll have to see how AL tags go since as a NR it doesn't open for purchase until July 10.
Bob and Tom- NEWS FLASH: This is the STATE SYSTEM we’re talking about, NOT the private sector! How many years have you lived in PA? ;-)
Rut, my cousin wotk for a military contractor. Absolutely no cell phones allowed, can't leave the building till your shift is over.(securiry) Computers will not allow anything other than business on them, (security).
Is your anwser they should brake security protocol in some way??
PERRY, I got tired of everyone using there phones a dozen time a day at my expense. So no cell phones allowed now. Last year I had a guy on his phone so much that I told him to put his phone on a shelf in the middle of the shop when he came to work. It lasted less than 30 minutes there. He last two minutes after that. If you would reimburse me, for their time I'll let them do it.
"LMAO....The acceptance of mediocrity (or worse) right from the get go with the attitude of "They'll work things out" is astonishing. How many of you would get away with producing work or managing projects like this?"
"Like clockwork...."
Exactly! it's exactly why I call them the "Usual Suspects."
Standing in line yesterday could be "a best of". "What do you mean I can only get 1 doe tag, there available online now"? "What WMU is Lehigh County in?". "Why do you need to see my drivers license ?" "Why won't you sell me my second doe tag?". This is from the same guy.....
Ed- I'm sure there are SOME places that you can't have your cell phone at work. But I would say the vast majority of us can use them at some points throughout the day.
We're not supposed to use it while we are working, but we can use it before, after work, at lunchtime and on our breaks. So even though I can't get on here every minute of every day, I can get on a regular basis. I won't buy online unless I absolutely have to! But IF I HAD to, I would get on the website in the morning before I start work and get my "que"- then wait for the e-mail. I would clear it with my boss(beforehand) that when that notification comes, I will take my 10 min break at that point to buy my license/tag. I don't see them having a problem with that. It would be a couple times a year at most. ANd still would be on MY time.
In reference to YOUR situation, you are the boss/owner so you can do whatever you like......................................................... but, do your employees NOT get break time? ;-)
4 PM Tuesday, I was the only guy in my neighborhood garage turned into a gun shop, waiting for the owner to walk in from his house. 10 minutes later I had all my green tags and they had 70 k plus doe tags left for 2D. Today I went 6 miles to the gun shop in the big city of East Brady and was the only customer in there for the first 45 minutes. Even 2G had 57 tags left.
From: Bowbender 28-Jun-23
LMAO....The acceptance of mediocrity (or worse) right from the get go with the attitude of "They'll work things out" is astonishing.
We put up with “mediocrity” for 20+ years .................... at least NOW they are TRYING to get it RIGHT! (Instead of accepting the same lousy system year after year after year.......................)
Those that are defending the pink envelopes, how long/many years did you expect that system to continue?
This thread, and most others on the PA forum, proves that there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who look for the negative in everything, and those who have a positive outlook on life.
I don't know why some people choose to go through life being miserable, but it sure does provide great entertainment!
Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile. :-)
Vonfoust, not defending the pink system. Just that this new system in not a fair system. If you do draws in other states you will see the that this is a poor system.
Let me tell you how just about every other state does it. First you go on line and you must buy a general license, after that you can apply for a doe tag. You my have a window of say 3 weeks to do this. (no big rush now) . You can do it in a store or on ur computer, also for the less techie, mostly old folks, you can in some cases do this on paper and send in. . But the paper part has a early closing date and every year theres less and less paper ones. Then on a date theres a draw. Everyone had an equal chance.
Now pretty much the same for round 2. But maybe if you didnt get your app in on time and tags for your unit are left you can just go on line and buy ur number 2 doe tag after the draw date. Same for round 3. No rush and everyone has exactly the same chance in all around. Not just the folks who have the time to do so.
Remember this system has been in place for years and years. Hell, Pa uses it right now for Elk tags. For a couple of dollars a point system could be added for folk that was in the draw and didn't get a tag. Again system already invented. Pa just has to use it.
The system Pa in using right now is unfair and out dated.
Wait till rounds 2 and 3 if you think guys are complain now. Guys that got up at 4 am got in the queue, but when there number came up tags gone. This is going to piss guys off. The draw system thats already out there that I mentioned above, guys will be more disappointed.
Come on how many reading this have not already been in the above mentioned draws?? Pa elk and just about every state. Respectfully Ed
Rut/Von,
The only person that hated pink envelopes more than me was Perry. I'm glad it changed. If we continue to accept low (if that) performance from the state that's EXACTLY what we'll get.
That's not true, my disdain for those envelopes was the stuff of legends! Only rivaled by my sheer hatred for not being able to hunt on all Sundays!..........
As expected I walked in to Wal Mart last night and there was nobody waiting for a license. Bought my license , archery stamp , and a 1A doe tag. It was SIMPLE AND EASY like it should've been years ago.
LOL Bowbender! : ) But I think there were a LOT of folks who hated the PINKS just as much as me......................I was just the most vocal! ;-)
I invite everyone who hated them as much as me, to join me/us at the Annual UBP Summer Campout near Trout Run on Aug. 3-6 this year and we will have a big PINK ENVELOPE BONFIRE to celebrate! : )
You burn your Pink Envelopes, I'm saving mine like Wheat Pennies, some day they will be worth millions...LOL :)
August 5th I'll be in the Bronx watching the Yankees beat up the Astros.
Teeton, I have been in many draws and I understand how they work, and I wish we did that here. What the PGC did was literally just turn the pink envelope system into digital. But the real question is for those still defending the pink envelopes. How many more years did anyone expect that to continue given that there is a whole segment of society that doesn't even know how checks work? Neither of my kids have checks. If they were to do the pink envelopes I would have to write a check for them or they would have to go to the bank and get a check to write out. The world just doesn't operate like it used to and this was going to change at some point with it. No matter when that was there were going to be growing pains.
While the pink envelopes never truly bothered me I've felt for a long time that process had to be changed, especially to get the county treasurers of out it. I've been involved in the design and implementation process for several healthcare products, including at the state level. I understand how things should happen and I know it is an iterative process that isn't done overnight.
But the PGC has had years to solve this issue and there is little excuse for them not partnering with a company that could roll out a well-designed, functioning system that is fair to all hunters and has been thoroughly tested to handle the number of hunters in PA. And, while I may have missed it, the PGC should have held regional meetings gathering input from hunters.
Or the segment of society that knows how checks work but realizes how outdated they are and don't use them.......
Glass half full, the treasures are done. The madness associated with getting a doe tag is finished, the constant mail box battles are behind us. Check writing, archaic at best. Buck up boys, the best days are ahead.
Or y’all need a 10 yr old neighbor that could’ve filled out those envelopes for ya so ya don’t have to worry about it getting em back!! LOLOLOL
I got at least 30-40 pink envelopes:) lolol I’m gonna have fun with this for some time:)
Hey Dale, do you get your grandkids to walk back and forth to your TV when you want to change the channel?! Or get them to change the records on your phonograph ?! ;-)
Although I never had a problem with the envelopes, I agreed with the change because the inconsistencies between county treasurer's processing times created an unfair system.
Not sure how many of you are aware, but what took place on Monday in PA, happens in other states when large numbers of licenses go on sale at one time. I personally have gone through it for CO leftover elk tags. I don't do ID, but when their OTC tags go on sale, the outcome is exactly what we had here on Monday. I mean EXACTLY. State sites have crashed when there is a last minute rush when reaching an application deadline. States sites have crashed at draw results being posted simply from people looking up results. Can/should that be fixed from an IT standpoint, perhaps but that is out of my expertise. But for those saying this is just a PA problem, I can tell you, without a doubt, that is not true.
All that said, the difference between the CO and ID example and what we had here is in those other states the tags were going to sell out. Leftover CO tags were gone before I got one. ID OTC tags sell out and many don't get. So you are forced to wait in person or online. For us here on Monday if you weren't going for doe tags in a few WMU you didn't have to wait. Unless you wanted 2G, 3A, 4C maybe...you had no reason to be online at 8am or wait in line at a store. It was going to be a jumble mess to start no matter what. Obviously not every person will wait. But if you know how the doe licenses sell out and still logged in when not necessary, you made the problem worse.
Round 2 is going to be another mess. Round 3 less so because some will be done applying then. I favor an application period, then computerized draw, and results posted for rounds 2 and 3 like Teeton described in his post above. Maybe that is because I'm so familiar with them from the western states.
Don’t confuse the issue with FACTS, Jethro! You’re gonna get “THE PINK MOB” all riled up! LOL! : )
I just bought my license and one for my daughter online. Went smooth.
From: Jethro 26-Jun-23
Just think, all this just cause 1 guy didn't like pink envelopes:-)
I don’t know how I missed this......................LMBO Jethro! : )
Yeah, I’m a little surprised I haven’t gotten any death threats yet.................. ;-)
Rut, I think I drop my babies rattle under the front seat of your car.
Hey Dale, do you get your grandkids to walk back and forth to your TV when you want to change the channel?! Or get them to change the records on your phonograph ?! ;-
Only 1 grandson. Lane. And these aren’t grandpas posts. It’s just me. If any of you ever need to learn how to correctly fill out an application, tell Pappy and I’ll show you how:)
LOL Ed! : )
Hey Lane- how ‘bout showin’ your Pappy how to buy his doe tags ONLINE?! ;-)
Funny tidbit. I'm 51 and up until this year always went to a POS to get my license. Never trusted going online and waiting for them to mail it to me, not sure why but I liked having it in hand. My Dad is 76 and has been doing his online for as long as it's been available and can't understand why I never did.
As more buy on line, your going to see less and less Pos. If you think about it, this is the start of the beginning of the end of pos places. A few year back many drop out of pos because they had to get and pay for a new style of computer. Funny around the same time I had to get a new state approved system that cost 6k to do emission inspections. The new system did exactly what the old system did, exactly no difference.
Day #4, kinda like year 1 of the covid pandemic. Every body feared the worst, and listened to the fear mongers, and when it was over realized Most of it was overblown and not as scary as Most made it out to be. Round 2 should be better now the panic buying is over.
Don't you mean the "usual suspects" John?! ;-)
I'm wondering if a lot more doe tags will be sold now that the POS and online sales make it so easy? It seems like my home WMU is selling a lot faster than in the past. I'm thinking maybe there is a significant number of people that never wanted to "hassle" with the pink envelopes and therefore would never apply...................................................
Perry: winner Winner chicken dinner..! Yes, that answer is yes. The save a doe crew disguised as the unified idiots and their ilk will buy them up now it's less effort. Usual suspects, I know who you speak of.
John, I’m thinking too of the “casual” deer hunter who didn’t want to “hassle” with PINK envelopes. But now that it’s so easy, they said “what the heck, I might as well get one now..............”
Yup, and the other missing point is that the bambi huggers who have bought up the 5C and 5D tags have it easier now. And the no doe shooting people will buy a few to "save a doe". This is going to be a terrible ride for a few years till they increase the allocations to offset the anti- casual buyers too. A co worker was thinking about joining camp up north, they still have those rules in place. In 2023! 1- you gotta be an NRA member 2- you gotta buy a doe tag every year 3- you are not allowed to use it I thought the 80's were over.
Oh boy.......................
Probably very excited about HB493 too because "a spike is always a spike".
