The Unpleasant Truth Bomb
Wisconsin
In the north woods more deer are poached by the people that choose to live there than killed by a wolf . Being the north woods is the great mecca or destination for the retired and jobless the deer are easy picking for food. The wolf is a good fit for such a place , they fit right in .
And the survey says…….
I got a feeling…..just a feeling…..
Well, I'll "bite". I'll agree that humans need to take some accountability for sure. I will not disagree that there are less deer now (north), than there once were, but humans wanted this. It's been the plan all along. Humans are notorious for blaming results on anyone and everything but themselves. While the woods are sparse, and the doe tags are available, it is the humans who are continuing to try and kill what is sparse, and who are buying up those available doe tags. I'm sure deer fall to the hands of people not playing by the rules, but I'd claim that honest law abiding hunters have the greatest impact on the deer population. Add cold winters, deep snow, predation, lack of sustainable food sources, too many does killed, and it all adds to less deer, and there's likely as many people happy about it, as are pissed about it.
I fully understand why people continue to hunt when times like this seem so difficult, but I also know the formula may not support growth because of it. Damn shame, because it is a beautiful place to be.
Hunters and farmers are already taking things into their own hands
So the faster than normal decline and the no rebuilding of the herd in the past 20 or so years is because of people poaching more deer? Hadn't people been poaching deer up there for centuries? We always had up and down years of deer numbers up there, but there were always deer around. Now there is none, how do you explain that?
Just another one spreading lies about hunters. I know quite a few people up there and have never heard of anyone poaching like LTL says. Like Live2hunt says it’s been around 20 years without rebounding, we always rebounded through bad winters, huge harvests but now uncontrolled wolves, mismanagement has hurt Wisconsin
Just another one spreading lies about hunters. I know quite a few people up there and have never heard of anyone poaching like LTL says. Like Live2hunt says it’s been around 20 years without rebounding, we always rebounded through bad winters, huge harvests but now uncontrolled wolves, mismanagement has hurt Wisconsin
Live I agree with you most times but it's alot more difficult to hear the stringed rifle than a regular rifle at night or in the day even. As you know the amount of stringed rifles has substantially increased in 20 years. Yes the wolf is playing the major role in reduction, but there are others now adding to the mix.
How naive so many are, all the poaching, could not keep up with the wolf, who puts 24 hour a day stress, on the animal.
The wolf is " a killing machine".......
Sounds like a busy night at the bar
I didn't realize retired people moved to the northwoods to poach deer? It's a continual learning experience on here...
I wonder where he gets his intell from, must work for the DNR
LOL, Pasq, stringed rifle than a regular rifle at night. I agree with that. But, again a uncontrolled carnivor killing machine that kills for food and just to kill 365, 24/7 does a number on big game animals. I will be curious to see what happens now that there are few deer left in the forests they roam for them to munch on. Again, unchecked it could get bad.
Sounds like the stringed gun mentioned "triggered" an alarm Moldy?
Pasq, wait till HunterR sees what you wrote!!!! He is all flipped out on Big Game forums already.
In my opinion, HunterR is the most informed and coherent poster.
Missouri you said that about the other guy that was booted off here, in fact I think your exact words were “he’s the real deal” lol what a joke.
I'll bite. jimbo - what's your source, where's your proof??? The last poached deer I heard of was about 1982. It was a big doe and the family ate every part of it. They needed meat.
In my opinion, HunterR is the most informed and coherent poster. I bet you do!!!! From you that gives him so much credibility!!! LOL, HA HA HA HA
JImBob, This just in...if one is retired, THEY DO NOT HAVE A JOB. That's kind of how the retirement gig works.
Not exactly sure how being retired in a beautiful area of our state equates to the wolf "fits right in,"!?!? Or in your ignorance are you saying because there are jobless people UP North that they deserve the wolf killing all the deer? Did you lose some $$$ at a casino and now carry some angst towards a certain demographic?? Seems to me that most of the "poaching," stories I've read about in Wisconsin occur in the Western and Central parts of the state.
Your rationale of the wolf deserves to be where there are deer and jobless people would equate to an explosion of the wolf population in SE Wisconsin, not the Northwoods.
I’d like to know why people who have information regards lawbreakers will talk about it here but not report it to the authorities.
Yes there is poaching by retired folks in the Northwoods, but it's with valid tags. It occurs in the form of baiting and while those deer are indeed poached, they are accounted for in the harvest statistics.
There is most definitely not an army of lakehouse-living retirees driving the forest roads with night vision and shooting untagged deer, the thought of it cracks me up.
Except maybe the most contrived of circumstances (and yes, I'm sure there are some situations, but those would be exceedingly rare and not impact herd numbers) , I don't buy that any folk in Wisconsin (or the United States) would ever need to poach for meat to feed their family. There are help wanted signs everywhere. You can start at almost $20/hr at Walmart. Work one 8 hour shift, take home $120 after taxes. Pork shoulder at $1.50 a pound, you just got 80 pounds of meat for a day of honest work.
You would need to kill, track, drag and butcher 2 deer within 8 hours to make the poaching "cheaper". If you have that physical ability, you can certainly get to and work a job. There are help wanted signs everywhere.
Wonder how many are poached by shooting a few minutes before or after legal shooting times. Easy with the scoped bolt machine. Remember, if you shoot 2 minutes after closing time, YOU are a poacher.
Well I just used a scope bolt machine, and I had alot of fun.
Get over yourself.
The few on here will never get over it. The same ones that say this is a archery forum, crossbow discussions not allowed. but they are the ones that keep bringing up crossbows.
"but they are the ones that keep bringing up crossbows." Only because pretend bowhunters come on these pages to tell us that crossbows are bowhunting.
Pretty certain many on here are closet scoped crossbow users. They are not bowhunters while packing the scoped bolt machine.
Missouri what is your weapon choice
I only own stickbows. Hunt with mostly osage selfbow. Had one recurve. The question is however, pointless.
Your right, it’s pointless
I do not agree with the OP. For those who are truly down and out would find the need to poach a deer to feed their family I would understand it (not saying it is right, its survival.
For many in this state the availability of food through government programs, local food banks, churches, shelters, meal programs, friends neighbors etc. eases the burden for many to survive, something that was not as prevalent 30 years ago. We no longer feed the poor and destitute but the lower middle class through these programs.
For the type that would violate the law, poaching a deer is far more work than I venture they are willing to undertake. Killing a deer, processing it for food all while concealing it is a lot of work (hell doing it legally is a lot of work). Getting off the couch or hitting the local food bank after picking up your smokes and beer while in town is far easier than poaching a deer. IMHO
HF43
Mjf I asked Missouri a question on his weapon that’s it what I find pointless is going back and forth about old people poaching deer up north going back and forth about crossbows for a hundred times there legal that’s pointless
It is easy to poach a deer by simply shooting 2 minutes after, or before legal shooting times. There is no longer a " boom ". Just saying for all the poachers out there.
You have have some of the dumbest remarks ever, is this something you just figured out.
Poachers just before dark but after legal shooting time hold the facts, not me.
Shooting even two minutes after, or before legal shooting times is illegal. Those deer are poached. Anyone ever hear of such a thing ?
Missouri have you ever retrieved a wounded anamial after shooting time that was shot during legal hrs I have and I owed to the animal to finish it off is this poaching
No, I have not. However, I am far past the " if it is legal " crowd.
Your a liar unless you don’t hunt
"There is no longer a " boom ". "
So it is only recently that poachers can use crossbows? Did using a crossbow to poach deer only recently become illegal?
So be very careful with yours at night now CW. Watch your fingers too. And added bonus is no more ear protection also! Saves hard earned cash on foam plugs.
Is late or early shooting poaching? It is clearly illegal.
Breaks…..Just curious….have you never shot an animal in legal hours and NEVER trailed it after hours?
No I have not shot after hours. You are twisting the scenario. For you dense heads, is shooting at an unwounded animal after or before legal shooting hours poaching ? It is illegal, we know. Not talking about shining, talking about daylight but slightly later or earlier than closing time, you know 5 or 10 minutes. Do archery season hunters ever do this illegal behavior? Just wondering because I see so many stating " as long as it is legal, I am good with it ". I personally know hunters who shoot up until they cannot see their sights, which is many times significantly later or earlier than what is legal. Would you consider them poachers and turn them in ?
And now add the scope and silent gun type to the equation.
I’m not asking if you have shot after hours. Have you trailed a wounded animal after dark? Yes? No?
"So be very careful with yours at night now CW. Watch your fingers too. And added bonus is no more ear protection also! Saves hard earned cash on foam plugs."
Save a hard earned 50 cents on ear plugs, but chances are high you will lose a forty dollar arrow.
Sounds like DC economics to me.
Grape I doubt he will answer that he will twist it around so this guy says he hunts with a stick bow which is great never talks about a hunt but anybody who spends time in the woods bow hunting has had his flashlight out
I have trailed at night without a weapon. I also stated I do not shoot before or after legal shooting times. I did not state I abide by every law, simply asking if others did.
"Bolt not arrow"
Would that be coarse thread or fine thread, or hey maybe metric thread?
On the news this morning they were talking about all the holiday travelers, and traffic congestion with all those horseless carriages on the roads.
Merry Christmas
Oldie, you really should have finished school. For someone who tries to hide his shame in using a crossbow, you certainly have no problem exposing your shameful ignorance.
Well boys, I came to this party late. I just went back and read the entire thread. As usual, there were/ are some crazy things being said.
My only point was/is any hunter that claims they have not trailed a deer after legal hunting hours hasn’t hunted much……carry on men!
More importantly than this conversation…….merry Christmas to all of you!
Old, if you use something, you need to use the correct terminology, it is called a bolt not an arrow. Arrows are for bows.
Something I told clients as a safety consultant for years: "It literally impossible to meet every OSHA regulation or law." Let's work for what is achievable in the spirit of the law.
When it comes to shooting hours does everyone correct for latitude to the exact minute? Will you not draw that bow on the animal you have been watching in pre-dawn or twilight because just a few more feet or an obstruction? Oh, then the time is up just like the video archery and the screen goes dark.
And if you do shoot the game warden is right there watching you. Yeah right. What we are looking for is egregious breaking of the law. Shooting in the dark unsure of the target, while shining; and with the intent to break the law. Personal ethics (the written law is the minimum) certainly come into play. Aldo Leopold, Fred Bear Saxon Pope had a a lot to say about that. Hunting for survival is an entirely different matter.
Why do so many hunters say " if it is legal " ? Would make one believe they never break the law.
From: CaptMike23-Dec-23Private Reply Oldie, you really should have finished school. For someone who tries to hide his shame in using a crossbow, you certainly have no problem exposing your shameful ignorance.
From: Live2Hunt23-Dec-23Private Reply Old, if you use something, you need to use the correct terminology, it is called a bolt not an arrow. Arrows are for bows.
You guys crack me up. All the makings of a new TV show. Somewhere between comedy central and mountain men.
While tracking a bear at night I always have a loaded sidearm.
Moldy your show is on already. RUE PAUL DRAG SHOW.
so you are saying you watch that show, interesting.
The original post (which appears to have been edited since) called out poaching as the reason for the recent crash of the deer population. Shooting game before or after legal hours was just as much poaching in the past as it is now. And shooting a deer after hours with a bow or crossbow has always been illegal. Poaching is not a new thing and attributing it as the primary reason for the crash of the deer population is not valid. Seeing that the OP has edited the original post, seems as though it was only meant to stir things up. On that note I'm done with the thread.
How would you know? Let me guess he’s the real deal.
No boom just silence. They found a deer with a bolt in it and knew who hunted with that bolt which led to arrests. Please don't say that the usage, jubilation and exhilaration of crossgun doesn't have any affect on the herd. No doubt the wolf is a killer but the deer hunting game board is now very tilted in the hunters favor. There is an article in the local rag newspaper of a gentleman who offers up his drone service for anyone who wounds and can't find the deer.
The original post is speaking to The "Nobel Poach" a guy feeding himself or the family with a deer being similar to the wolf and his needs . Both of these realities along with everything else mentioned above as legal or necessary seem to collide with the expectation for a deer hunt with a bow and an arrow . Instead of celebrating and protecting the priceless gift of hunting deer with a bow and arrow there is both an eager exuberance for radical change combined with old attitude arrogance . All this is being mixed together creating an interesting "North WI Woods" cocktail .
Oldie I'm still looking for a poaching of 40 deer and a recurve.
No Boom at night on this 50 poached deer either. More current than the 2018 article I posted earlier. Any four legged wolves in Waupaca yet? Based on years past personal knowledge there are alot of QDM private land owners in the area and the herd is healthy size. I'm assuming that's still the case but haven't hunted Wild Rose area in awhile. The crossbow has been around forever but not used in the way our current law allows. This is the largest poaching case currently in the books for Wisconsin. Imagine the one or two being sniped via the no boom while under the bird feeder at night now?
No boom adds a whole new dimension to after hours shooting. I guess only poachers shoot before and after legal shooting times.
Missery... we were hoping you had gone on a 2 or ten year holiday vacation. You and your aliases could book a cruise ship to Never Neverland.
I remember bringing the ease of poaching with these things when the full inclusion started, because it was legal now to have and use. I recall getting chastised by some, LOL.
Crickey, the sky is falling again. For God's sake, get over it, let it go, move on.
"Crickey, the sky is falling again. For God's sake, get over it, let it go, move on." We have another demented old guy who constantly wants us to "move on." I think his name is Joe Biden?
Capt - that's his "Steve Irwin go to" response when faced with facts.
Yes, don't say anything, be quiet so more can be added to make things easy for people. Maybe we can have a rifle season that starts in Sept, till Jan so we can really screw the deer hunting up. Shhhhhh, don't push back. Ahhhhh, No
Yea... the old "nothing to see over here" routine.
Oldie that is over 90 deer poached with the stringed rifle in just two cases. I'm looking for recurve and compound poaching and can't find one. Only the rifles.
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I ran into a guy who had a brand new machine he bought this past summer he said. It blew up on him when he took a shot at a doe, LOL. He said he only had 25 shots through it. Another coworker of mine shot at a deer with his and the bolt blew up!!! He since has gone back to a bow.
How much they charge for that model of tenpoint?
"It blew up on him when he took a shot at a doe, LOL." LOL indeed, what a shame!
WTF !!!!!! Once again someone mentions crossbows on a Archery only Forum .
And Cappy, if a doe is legal, is it any skin off your elitist behind ?
I figured it was Missouri trying to get the troops fired up I think this stickbow he claims to shoot is a ten point
I think the TenPoint would be great to use, during gun season that is.
Oldie, you trying to speak Bidenese?
Cappy - Nope. See what I did there, I answered your question. I see you still use your favorite maneuver, when asked a question. You answer by asking another question.
Happy New Year !
Thanks Oldie, I appreciate all the effort you must have put into that response. Happy New Year to you also!
