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From: Kansasclipper
09-Jan-24
Iowa St. 14-0 in the first 6 minutes against Houston.
From: sitO
09-Jan-24
Hilton "magic" is wearing off now
From: Kansasclipper
09-Jan-24
Good game though.
From: Kansasclipper
09-Jan-24
Hate to admit it but I really like coach Tang. I have some good friends in Ness County. They heard a knock on their front door and went to see who it was and it was coach Tang and his staff. They had met him at one of the games last season. Just thankful it is basketball season and the football fiasco is over.
From: sitO
09-Jan-24
He's a good guy, watching both games, I think we're starting to "gel"
From: be still
09-Jan-24
The freshman 22 was a cool customer for Iowa State at the end.
From: Kansasclipper
10-Jan-24
#1 and #2 goes down last night.
From: sitO
10-Jan-24
Cheaters go down! UCF lol
From: Kansasclipper
10-Jan-24
Harris played horrible, as he does anytime the game gets physical. Out coached as well. Dawkins went to the zone and KU had no answer.
From: sitO
10-Jan-24
I love this time of year, first top 10 win since 2011 for UCF I think?
From: Kansasclipper
10-Jan-24
#1 #2 #3 all went down. Those are good teams added to the Big 12.
From: be still
10-Jan-24
Gosh dang it I knew yesterday evening Kansas was playing tonight but forgot all about it. Sure wished I would’ve watched this game.
So got lucky against TCU and then tonight….makes a fella start thinking.
From: ksq232
11-Jan-24
Win a few lose a few, Rock Chalk!!
From: sitO
11-Jan-24
From: Quailhunter
11-Jan-24
My team is so far from the Eddie Sutton days that I can’t make myself watch. Horrible. Sure saw some great basketball when I was going to school there.
From: ksq232
15-Jan-24
ksq232's Link
There are some classy OU fans out there after all. :-) Actually, I know a bunch…
From: ksq232
16-Jan-24
Good win by the kittens…
From: sitO
16-Jan-24
We got your boys Mike, and looks like the cheaters are going to get another
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From: be still
17-Jan-24
Yepper….Tang has Drew’s number it seems.
From: sitO
20-Jan-24
From: Kansasclipper
20-Jan-24
When Harris disappears, they can't win. Maybe the kid from Branson will be more like Mason, Collins, Chalmers, Vaughn and the other strong point guards KU has had.
From: KB
20-Jan-24
Good W for Kansas boy/K-Stater Josh Eilert. Rooting for him to keep that job.
From: sitO
20-Jan-24
We've got a cool coach!
From: ksq232
20-Jan-24
It’s the off season and KU just lost the best recruiter in the Big 12 to ATM. Not cool…. I could care less right now about the basketball team, but the NCAAF thread is buried, so I guess I put this here. :-/
From: sitO
21-Jan-24
"couldn't"
From: be still
21-Jan-24
So when they’re losing in football your trying to talk about basketball and vice versa in basketball season…sounds about right for a Jayhawk.
From: Kansasclipper
21-Jan-24
He cares or he wouldn't have got on the thread.
From: ksq232
21-Jan-24
Off season, but Rock Chalk anyway!
Nice catch Kyle…. It was late.
Tell me Calhoun, when did I bring up basketball on the football thread this past season? Basketball is simply a way to pass the time for a while, awaiting next fall!
From: be still
22-Jan-24
It seems like over the years you have brought up some basketball recruit during football season but maybe I’m wrong.
I always thought you really like basketball but I guess I was wrong on that too. Don’t blame you none cause with what Self has do for over the years it’s hard to get one self to be proud of em.
From: ksq232
22-Jan-24
I have been a KU football fan longer than I’ve been a KU basketball fan, there simply hasn’t been much to celebrate in a long time. I loved playing basketball back in the day, even played some very small time college basketball. But I love WATCHING football; I haven’t watched a full NBA game since Jordan retired (the second time); I watch the NFL regularly. Once again, it’s simply too easy to be a KU bball fan, they win almost always. Up here in Kansas, there are MANY people who cheer for KU basketball and K-state football. That’s ridiculous imo, but to each their own. Lots of Kansas people went to both schools though, and have kiddos that go to both schools; so they get a free pass for cheering for both I guess.
From: be still
22-Jan-24
Yep I really don’t watch NBA anymore as well since Jordan left. Hung on a few years to watch Kobe but then that was about it. Don’t watch NFL as much either after Barry left.
High school football first for me then College. College is becoming money now and starting to get watered down with less heart. Money just seems to mess everything up.
From: sitO
22-Jan-24
sitO's Link
Money can buy you championships, but they are who we thought they were.
From: ksq232
22-Jan-24
Yep Kyle, kittens must be broke, they’ve never won squat. At least they’re saints, you have that going for you, well besides a few of them anyway…. ;-)
From: sitO
22-Jan-24
Cleanliness is next to godliness
From: KB
22-Jan-24
Saving even more money for their players by having the taxpayers pick up a significant portion of the new stadium build.
From: ksq232
25-Jan-24
Clones got a pretty sympathetic whistle last night; but they’ll be complaining about the KU whistle later I’m sure… Tang didn’t appear too happy in the line after the game; not sure what it was all about though. Either he wasn’t happy about fans chucking stuff at the bench, or he was accusing the Cyclones of cheating by taking video of their timeout huddles is what I’ve read.
From: KB
25-Jan-24
Rule changes/“focal points” in basketball and football have made refs the stars of the show anymore. It’s ruining a lot of it for me. Game was 2.5 hours with 47 fouls, 62 free throws and very little consistency. My favorite was the tie game elbow that split Finister’s lip as the lead ref was making eyes at someone in the crowd. Should be an immediate suspension/firing, yet nothing will happen.
From: cherney12
25-Jan-24
coaches shoulda requested they go to the monitor on that one...outcome mighta been different
From: Kansasclipper
27-Jan-24
KU looked terrible. Can't guard the perimeter.
From: ksq232
27-Jan-24
All the Kansas schools look like crap right now. Who cares tho? It’s not March. Rock Chalk!!
From: sitO
27-Jan-24
Not the K-State women ;)
From: ksq232
28-Jan-24
Yeah, they are legit Kyle
From: crestedbutte
31-Jan-24
Hee! Hee! Somebody got there AZZ kicked on their own home floor? At least their girls teams is legit, right?
From: cherney12
31-Jan-24
COOL STORY BRO
From: ksq232
31-Jan-24
How come you didn’t show up when that other Kansas team played the Boomers, crested???
Rock Chalk!!
From: be still
31-Jan-24
James you don’t even like basketball. Go research some more 2029 football recruits.
From: sitO
31-Jan-24
We were abysmal, worst half of basketball I've ever seen. Hell the "soon-2-B-goner's" only had one field goal in the first 10min of 2nd half and we still couldn't catch up.
And...you just beat our women's team too you SOB's
From: crestedbutte
31-Jan-24
SWEEP, SWEEP, HA,HA! I am still having a Pavlovian reaction to those “clank” sounds from all those missed free throw bricks by both teams.
2nd half was way over officiated. Anyway, the “good guys” needed that win after 2 straight losses in the preceding games.
Good Luck the rest of the regular season.
From: be still
04-Feb-24
Remembering seeing this Iowa State dude with ice water in his veins win a game at the end earlier this year…about did it again last night.
I can’t tell by looking at these current standings if all the big 12 teams are just that good or they all just really suck….
From: crestedbutte
04-Feb-24
Good wins by both Baylor and Kansas.
From: be still
04-Feb-24
and Cincinnati.
From: ksq232
04-Feb-24
Big 12 is the best basketball conference in the nation and it’s not close. It will get even better next year. And no, I’m not saying the Big 12 will certainly win its third National championship in 4 years this March, but it’s a very real possibility.
From: sitO
05-Feb-24
From: ksq232
05-Feb-24
No excuses, can’t lose to the worst 3 teams in the league on the road. Enjoy it Kittens, might be the last win of the year.
From: be still
05-Feb-24
I forgot they were playing tonight and missed it. Man I would’ve loved to watch that one…especially towards the end.
From: Kansasclipper
06-Feb-24
McCullar was the MVP for Kstate. He looks like a classic Duke player with his cry baby tactics. Kstate played terrific on defense taking and took Furphy out of the game. He is glue for KU. Harris just has spurts where he totally disappears for KU. Perry simply out played him.
From: sitO
06-Feb-24
Yep, McMiss is a whiny little B...., loved his face when he missed front end of that 1n1
From: cherney12
06-Feb-24
Neither team is very good. And LOL at James. You're so silly.
From: crestedbutte
06-Feb-24
KU ain’t a top 5 team that is for dang sure. IMO, they aren’t even a top 10 team. They are going to lose atleast 3-4 more before the regular season is over.
From: Westksbowhunter
06-Feb-24
They have no depth. Too many minutes for the starters and a weak point guard. Harris isn't a floor general. He was a good complimentary player to Ochi but without a true #2 guard, Harris's flaws are exposed.
From: sitO
12-Feb-24
We just witnessed the end of a cheaters "era"
From: be still
13-Feb-24
Dam it I missed it again. I swear I’m getting dementia…I just googled it earlier and seen where they were playing Tech at 8:00. Thought oh hell yeah I’m watching that one.
But after talking to someone up there about what bill is trying to pass concerning wildlife I got preoccupied. Sissy Tit Bears couldn’t get it done the other day but good to see somebody else just demolish em. Still have hope that good wins out….
From: sitO
13-Feb-24
And these are their "fans" lol
From: ksq232
13-Feb-24
Every team has its t-shirt fans. There will be better days in the near future, gotta get healthy. Rock Chalk!! Still can’t wait for fall though!!! :-)
From: cherney12
13-Feb-24
who isn't healthy?
From: ksq232
13-Feb-24
Harris is at about 50% (ankle) and shouldn’t have played last night, but gutted it out because McDowell was back in Lawrence with flu. McCullar continues to sit, I’m hoping he will sit the OU game too - with the bye week, that would give him almost 3 weeks rest, deep bone bruise in his knee. With the scholarship restrictions, that put KU at 6.5 players last night not including the walk-on’s. Not saying they would have won at 100%, KU has been abysmal on the road this year, but the game would have been much closer.
From: cherney12
13-Feb-24
why do they have scholarship restrictions?
From: crestedbutte
13-Feb-24
Yeah, do tell...why does KU have scholarship restrictions? We'd love to hear it directly from you James?
From: ksq232
13-Feb-24
The university restricted themselves. You guys living under a rock or something? Cheaters is the cry, right??? Why are you all so fascinated by/obsessed with KU? It’s laughable! I’ve said multiple times on this site that I could care less about KU’s “massive” cheating. It doesn’t bother me as a fan at all, I realize all successful college programs did it, some still do, which is funny considering just about anything goes at this point. So, I’m a horrible, sad person in many of your eyes, which really keeps me up at night. :-)
From: ksq232
13-Feb-24
The university restricted themselves. You guys living under a rock or something? Cheaters is the cry, right??? Why are you all so fascinated by/obsessed with KU? It’s laughable! I’ve said multiple times on this site that I could care less about KU’s “massive” cheating. It doesn’t bother me as a fan at all, I realize all successful college programs did it, some still do, which is funny considering just about anything goes at this point. So, I’m a horrible, sad person in many of your eyes, which really keeps me up at night. :-)
From: cherney12
13-Feb-24
are you okay with cheating at the high school level? NFL? or just college?
From: Kansasclipper
13-Feb-24
Bill looks to be a shell of himself since his health issues. And has lost some intensity. KU has looked bad for a while, several games before Harris turned his ankle. Maybe the Jalon Daniels effect is hitting the basketball team. All kidding aside, losing Arterio Morris was a major blow. He looked to be the most athletic of the bunch this summer, but they knew he was a worthless human being before they took him through the portal. If Timberlake and Furphy play at a high level, KU will be good in the tournament. Braun is terrible though. Need to get some "Real Guys" again!!!!!!!!!
From: ksq232
13-Feb-24
I’m still ticked at the staff for taking Morris, THAT’S the stuff that matters! But yes, he was a stud and Bill fell for him hook, line, and sinker.
And Cherney, it’s just kids playing games, it matters very little in the grand scheme of things. Two sisters from Eureka got recruited to play at South Maize this year. Is it cheating? I guess??? I do NOT care. The only thing that gets me fired up when it comes to real cheating in sports is men/boys competing against women/girls. But that’s another topic.
From: cherney12
13-Feb-24
Does boys beating girls in sports really matter in the grand scheme of things?
From: sitO
27-Feb-24
From: crestedbutte
27-Feb-24
What is that in the lower left corner? See my Feb. 6th post above….middle of the pack Big 12 Jayhawks are proving me right.
From: ksq232
27-Feb-24
I really like BYU, great addition to the conference. Rock Chalk!!
From: be still
28-Feb-24
James we know you like your daddy but this family up above doesn’t seem too happy. The family got their 3 boys in red, blue, and white like every game but the youngest is starting to rebel. He’s wanting to switch teams and so there is still hope for him. He was supposed to wear a red collared shirt but the best his daddy could get him into was this. His tasseled hair ain’t like his brothers either and grandma can see the signs and his worried. Noticed how she has pushed the mother back and trying her best to keep the boy in the group. The mother is disgusted and has been wanting out too for some time. If he breaks away I bet he quits folding his arms…a clear sign these 3 sons were spoiled and every time they didn’t get their way they pouted and folded their arms.
From: Kansasclipper
28-Feb-24
KU looks bad. No toughness. Not for sure if it's recruiting, on the players, or coaching but something is off. For me it starts with the coach and point guard. Bill recruited them so it's ultimately on him.
From: sitO
28-Feb-24
The entire program is falling apart. The players don't want to be at a school known for cheating. The so called fans are blowing up media with demeaning chatter. The coach who led them all down this path can't fix it now.
It's the end of the era of Cheat-U
From: sitO
28-Feb-24
From: ksq232
28-Feb-24
Obsessed…. You guys are hilarious. Have fun the rest of the season. I’m guessing by the end of March, I’ll be more satisfied with my team than any of you. I do like Tang, he’s pretty much a dork, but a likable one; he won’t be in Manhattan long regardless — so enjoy him while he lasts. He knows the president destroyed his team and season. And yet Kyle is here saying KU is on the downfall. Funny, funny stuff.
From: cherney12
28-Feb-24
Did James write that? Sounds like being a KU fan is really hard
From: ksq232
28-Feb-24
Write what?
From: ksq232
28-Feb-24
Speaking of hard to be a fan, I was working on a deer blind with my brother-in-law Saturday, while the kitten game was on, I asked if he wanted me to turn the game on in my truck so we could listen. He said he quit watching/listening a month ago. He said and I quote, “They suck, I hate our college president.”
From: sitO
28-Feb-24
"They suck" is what every KU fan is posting on Social...and have been for weeks.
From: ksq232
28-Feb-24
Ok Kyle, every fan???
I’ll take a year of never falling out of the top 25, another 4+ seed in the tourney as a “suck” year anytime. They will get at least to the sweet 16, which is quite an accomplishment in a “suck” year. Ironically, this would be an INCREDIBLE year for the kittens. Lol! Btw, Kyle, the Phog is still packed every game. I guess all those fans are still going to the games….
On a side note, Leipold just got a nice raise, awesome!! Coach Tang gonna get a raise after this season ya think?
From: cherney12
28-Feb-24
a 4 seed or higher with 10 losses at tourney time????????
From: sitO
28-Feb-24
Sweet 16, just like you said last year lol. Meanwhile the men's team from KS went to the Elite 8.
Sidenote...Dick-n-Self should have received a flagrant 2 for slapping the BYU kid upside the head...but not in AFH I guess?
From: crestedbutte
28-Feb-24
...what KU fans not loving that "lifetime" contract that KU gave Self?
From: Kansasclipper
28-Feb-24
KSQ I am a KU fan and have been since I went to my first game in 1975. But I don't let my fan status clutter my thinking. They are not very tough at all, and regardless of what Bill Self says to the media to instill confidence in his point guard, Harris isn't anywhere close to what the team needs. He is a good kid and has a great story that is inspiring to anyone wanting to make it at the college level, but he doesn't have strength and killer instinct to lead. He needs help and doesn't have it. Furphy isn't shooting well now. When he was, he carried KU to some wins. But he has to play well and shoot well from the perimeter to open up the inside for Dickenson. KU's weakness is shooting from the perimeter, FT's, and toughness to defend. For years Bill Self has said he doesn't worry about free throw shooting, but I have seen it cost them many games. I think he says it not to put pressure on the players through the media but FT's are a problem. It cost them the game last night.
From: ksq232
28-Feb-24
If you truly are a KU fan clipper, then you know the teams KU has beaten this year with a fully healthy Kevin McCuller. How many in the current top 5? He wasn’t even fully healthy for Houston. No coach can control injuries. And Kevin is the leader of this team, not Harris.
From: Kansasclipper
29-Feb-24
McCullar is the leader, but he isn't near the talent that Ochi is and that is the type of side kick that Harris needs. That team also had Braun and McCormck decided to finally play well in the last 3 games of the tourney. All teams have injuries and it really doesn't matter what you do early in the season, which is when KU got its big wins. Kentucky had 3 starters out when KU beat them. On the road they have been pathetic and when and if McCullar comes back, KU still has a weak bench and poor 3 point shooting. Just not a real strong KU team.
From: ksq232
29-Feb-24
I never said it was a strong KU team, it’s a down year. A down year for KU means the whole year in the top 25, a tourney bid (likely a relatively high seed), and a first round win at the minimum — I still say they make it to the second weekend. This would not be considered a down year for most programs. College basketball is down across the board this year anyway, there are very few, if any, dominate teams. Wichita State and the kittens know what down years are really like, am I right?
From: sitO
29-Feb-24
They certainly are having tough seasons, but they can still hold their heads high...can't be said for Cheat-U
From: cherney12
29-Feb-24
not a down year for college basketball...lay off the weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddd
From: Kansasclipper
29-Feb-24
Yea its an awesome year for college basketball. Might be the best the Big 12 has ever been. More upsets than I can ever remember. Teams like BYU beating a blue blood keeps happening every week. That is not a down year for college basketball. The last couple of years we have seen 14, 15, and 16 seeds competing with the power schools like never before. It just keeps getting better and better and I look for a lot of wins by mid majors in the tourney. You said before you don't really follow college basketball til tournament time, and your analysis shows it.
From: ksq232
01-Mar-24
Our definitions of down years are much different. Parity is always an indication of down years, meaning there are no truly dominant teams — closest thing to a dominant team is UCONN. Yes, I follow college basketball. Good grief…. Your condensation is so funny coach; it’s a good thing I couldn’t care less about your blowhard opinions on the subject of college sports. Still cracks me up that you used to cheer for the shockers and that fool of a human being they had for a coach, not to mention his drunken, out of control wife.
From: Kansasclipper
01-Mar-24
So preacher, you have to have a dominant team to have an up year?????? I liked Ron Baker. I coached against him, I know his family, etc.
From: crestedbutte
01-Mar-24
I would interject that another dominant program as of late is Houston. In some ways, wish OU still had Kelvin Sampson but in all honesty glad we don't since he is literally a walking NCAA violation waiting to happen. Assume if/when UH wins a Natty, the NCAA violations will come to light right after. Always seems to be that way in basketball.
From: cherney12
01-Mar-24
Kenpom is cool...ever heard of it? According to that this year is better than the last two. But not according to preacher's eyeball test
From: Kansasclipper
01-Mar-24
Patrick you would think if he could care less he would quit responding. But hey if he wants to continue putting his foot in his mouth, more power to him.
From: ksq232
01-Mar-24
Funny who ends up looking foolish in these conversations, like the conversations about the ‘22 team, yeah I don’t forget coach…. And crested I really like Sampson, always have, loved his tough as nails teams at OU (who could ever forget Edwardo Nahara?) but remember, I like cheaters. Lol
From: Kansasclipper
01-Mar-24
So you could care less about my opinion but you remember something I said 2 years ago? C'mon Preacher which is it?
From: Kansasclipper
01-Mar-24
So you could care less about my opinion but you remember something I said 2 years ago? C'mon Preacher which is it?
From: ksq232
01-Mar-24
I love it when you’re wrong, have to admit. Lol
From: Kansasclipper
02-Mar-24
College basketball is changing. The One and Dones have been minimalized by the transfer portal and NIL. Freshman are not dominant like they were and players are staying in college longer. It has kept the Kentucky's, Duke, KU's, and North Carolina's from dominating the game. You can get or pay all the 5 star recruits you want now but they don't dominate the 5th year seniors who have been there before. You no longer see the sweet 16 dominated by the same teams over and over. Parity has opened the door for the FAU's, etc. which makes the tournament more exciting than ever. Any team can get bounced in the first round. 16 seeds are no longer 40 point underdogs.
From: ksq232
02-Mar-24
Win a few, lose a few more. Rock Chalk!
From: Kansasclipper
02-Mar-24
I actually thought they played pretty well. Played hard. Maybe need to put Elmarko back in the starting line up. In the second half Harris missed 3 layups and McCullar missed a couple. Harris played well in the first half but when Baylor cranked it up, he wilted. KU is going to have a hard time winning the next two. Kstate won't be easy. Its their Super Bowl.
From: Kansasclipper
02-Mar-24
From: ksq232
02-Mar-24
True, they didn’t lay down when they could have easily, when Baylor got up big in the second half. The kittens played/won their Super Bowl in Manhattan. They’ll lay down in Lawrence. However, KU needs Furphy to get over the freshman wall asap!
From: be still
02-Mar-24
James they were up just around a dozen or so…that ain’t big.
From: sitO
02-Mar-24
We whooped the cheaters on the field and on the court so far Jimmy...don't count your "chickens"
From: ksq232
02-Mar-24
Oh shut it Kyle, you didn’t even play OU in football this year.
From: ksq232
02-Mar-24
Calhoun, in a back and forth game with multiple lead changes, a double digit lead is big. Good win for the Bears, KU has lost 4 straight in Waco, wasn’t exactly counting on this one. Would you say Baylor is having a really rough year as well?
From: be still
02-Mar-24
They should be doing better the last couple years with the talent they’re now bringing in…overrated sissies. Losing the coach to the Cats has hurt them as well. He was the man behind the scenes and he brought a toughness to that team.
Naw I’m still a Baylor fan but one night last summer I nearly broke away from em. Learned some stuff from my son’s girlfriend’s Dad which is a Waco cop about Baylor and some inside scoop on some of that stuff that went down with Briles. Some stuff I suspected cause I didn’t think there was nothing on Briles and thought they did him really wrong. Some of the stuff he told me confirmed it and it really turned my stomach against Baylor and the people that’s running the University. They did Briles really dirty and that eats at me every now and then.
Remember listening to their football games through the radio as a kid though and it’s hard not to root for them when they step on the field or court.
From: sitO
02-Mar-24
From: Kansasclipper
02-Mar-24
Baylor is athletic but I think they will turn the ball over too much to advance very far. But if they can take care of it, they could be a sweet 16 team.
From: Westksbowhunter
04-Mar-24
If the Jayhawks loose tomorrow night, they will be out of the top 25 next Monday. The Wildcats will smell blood in the water tomorrow night in Lawrence.
From: crestedbutte
04-Mar-24
Ref’s will do what they do best in AFH…. make sure the Jayhawks win in the end. I can already smell the home cook’in.
From: Westksbowhunter
04-Mar-24
Well if they loose both games this week, they should drop out of the top 25.
From: sitO
04-Mar-24
They should already be out, pretty obvious.
From: sitO
04-Mar-24
Heckuva comeback for Baylor, they will be fun to watch in March
From: be still
05-Mar-24
Texas losing their big man might’ve helped that comeback but it’s always a good night when the Shorthorns lose.
From: Westksbowhunter
06-Mar-24
When the teams lined up to shake hands, Self claimed that Kansas State coach Jerome Tang opted out of a firm handshake and did a “fly-by” instead.
“He just didn’t want to shake hands. He just did a fly-by—that’s fine,” Self said in Tuesday’s postgame press conference. “I will say this, when we got our a-- kicked there, we shook everyone’s hands and did a handshake line. So I guess it was different here today.”
From: sitO
06-Mar-24
I wouldn't touch BS either. He's a blight on the sport.
From: ksq232
06-Mar-24
Tang better get out while the gettin’ is good. Another year like this and he won’t be considered for any destination schools. It’ll be interesting to see who’s gone first, Tang or Leipold.
From: Westksbowhunter
06-Mar-24
His stock took a hit this season. BYU looking good early.
From: ksq232
06-Mar-24
C’mon Cougars!!!
From: ksq232
06-Mar-24
Oh and Kyle, since you’re SO good at posting the thoughts of all the KU fans, I thought I’d return the favor…
From: ksq232
06-Mar-24
And another….
From: KB
06-Mar-24
There’s video of Bill doing a “fly by” after the game in Manhattan. Tang went through the line last night. If people weren’t in line yet or ready, meh. Who cares.
Season definitely didn’t go to plan but good coaches have to overcome a lot some years. Definitely seemed to pile up on Tang early this season though. Lost Max Abmas late in the game to Texas after he was supposedly a lock. Would’ve taken the PG pressure off Perry. TP is as good as it gets as a 2 and coming to the ball. Cannot create his own offense though. Plenty of evidence of that in the dozen or more last-second end of half/game failures this season. Sucks he had to run the point all year as the backup option for Abmas came in hurt and got re-injured mid season. The Tomlin ordeal really screwed this team and might’ve cost them another big time recruit. Five star kid was in town the night Tomlin got in trouble and supposedly caused him to back out and head to Duke. Some of the young guys definitely aren’t developing at the pace you’d like. Buddy Rich was getting double digit minutes before Christmas and then fell off the map. Finnister regressed and Manning looks lost. Ames and Jones look solid but who knows if they stick around these days. One more high school recruit to go with Castillo would be nice, but this team is already pretty young and with the portal these days maybe he’s counting on that. Or maybe he’s headed to Ann Arbor or one of the new B1G schools and doesn’t care. :)
From: cherney12
06-Mar-24
you are sad
From: Westksbowhunter
07-Mar-24
I liked coach Tang and was impressed by what he did last season. The players really rallied behind him. But one year is a small sample size and maybe he isn't what we thought he was or what we hoped he would be.
From: cherney12
07-Mar-24
what has he done wrong this year?
From: Kansasclipper
07-Mar-24
Didn't say he did anything wrong. But it was a very disappointing season for him.
From: Kansasclipper
07-Mar-24
As a head coach at this level, he has only 2 seasons to judge him by. He may not be what we thought he was. If they don't have a good season next year, bye bye. No other schools at that level will want him. Back to being an assistant.
From: cherney12
07-Mar-24
he'll be just fine. we didn't have much talent on this roster. Kaluma wasn't as good as I thought he was. Perry isn't a real PG. Carter is a streaky shooter and should be your 4th scoring option on a good team. Rest should be bench players.
From: Kansasclipper
07-Mar-24
Maybe so maybe not. One great year and one sub par year. Probably won't get an invite to the JV Tourney.
From: cherney12
07-Mar-24
so what? what did he start with? nothing
From: cherney12
07-Mar-24
I agree that they need to win 22+ games next year or his star will be dim and his seat will grow warm
From: Westksbowhunter
07-Mar-24
He had a good roster of players last year. Johnson and Nowell. That is a pretty good duo. Better than Harris and McCullar.
From: Kansasclipper
09-Mar-24
KU will have a hard time winning 2 games in the tournament. Harris coming back next year means another mediocre year. Bill will move Philon to shooting guard instead of showcasing his talents with Harris in the way. I don't think it will work like Mason and Graham did.
From: ksq232
09-Mar-24
Hope Hunter is ok; should have completely mailed it in; but hindsight is 20/20.
Houston is good, but they will have a lot of adjusting to do when they get to the tourney; they’ll have to dial it back a ton. They’re too thin to foul guys out.
From: Kansasclipper
09-Mar-24
Looked like a dislocated shoulder to me.
From: sitO
09-Mar-24
What a blowout!
From: be still
09-Mar-24
They put a dirty thirty on em.
From: Kansasclipper
09-Mar-24
Announcers speculated a dislocated shoulder. Strong possibility they loose first round. You would like to see a team improve but KU got progressively worse as the year went on. No improvement from Timberlake, Daniels, Braun, Furphy, Jackson. They all could benefit from the weight room. The strength coach and program and strength program needs to be evaluated. We are along ways off from bodies like Trob, Morris boys, Mason, Collins, etc. Even Withe made strength gains and he was built like Gilligan.
From: sitO
09-Mar-24
Gonna have to cheat harder!
From: ksq232
09-Mar-24
Hunt getting an MRI back in Lawrence. If he’s done, it’s gonna be a real tough go. Need to sit him and Kevin both for the Big 12 Tourney.
From: Kansasclipper
09-Mar-24
I'm sure they will both sit. Hate to see anyone hurt. I would think they will be a 4 or 5 seed now, if they factor in the injuries.
From: sitO
11-Mar-24
From: Kansasclipper
11-Mar-24
McCullar and Dickenson out of Big 12 Tourney.
From: sitO
11-Mar-24
He's saving them for the Bucknell game
From: be still
13-Mar-24
I like it…
From: Kansasclipper
13-Mar-24
They could still make the tournament.
From: sitO
13-Mar-24
From: Kansasclipper
13-Mar-24
Well this is embarrassing. The only players that KU needs to return next year is KJ Adams and Elmarko Jackson.
From: sitO
13-Mar-24
From: be still
14-Mar-24
I reckon James will come on here saying this was a good thing they lost so they can rest up and get some players healthy for next week.
From: ksq232
14-Mar-24
Wish the fellas had stepped up better. Would have been nice to have one more game for the bench. Hope Kevin and Hunt are getting healthy. You know they didn’t play, right Calhoun? I wasn’t sure if you actually watch/listen to the games or not. Kittens surprised me, showed some moxie; they will get drilled today tho; maybe they get an NIT invite???
From: ksq232
14-Mar-24
Any guess on how many B12 teams get in the dance? Listening to Dan Patrick this morning (coach k about to be interviewed—gag) on a Tulsa station. They’re guessing OU as a 9 seed. KU will be a 4-6, 6 being the basement I’m guessing. Who else? I’m guessing: Baylor, BYU, OU, KU, ISU, Houston, Tech, and TCU. Texas and Cincinnati on the bubble, if State could get a win today, they COULD get themselves on the bubble, not gonna happen tho.
From: be still
14-Mar-24
Yes James I seen both softies over there on the bench. Big Pudgy seemed more worried about his jewelry in his ear than anything else and the other one just seemed happy and relieved that he wasn’t out there getting his tail kicked. Both of them might be taking lessons and getting a clue from the Kansas Quarterback…it’s more fun pretending to be hurt?
Don’t like Texas at all but they whooped Oklahoma by 14 on the last regular season game and ended up with a better big 12 record. Would be funny if Texas got left out but with both losing their first tournament games if they leave Oklahoma in I bet they leave Texas in as well. Kstate will be in if they win tonight and will nearly be a lock for the championship game cause they will probably beat Cincinnati in the semifinals. If Baylor is there it’s an automatic win for the Cats cause Tang owns Drew.
From: Kansasclipper
16-Mar-24
Kansasclipper's Link
KSQ
From: ksq232
16-Mar-24
Not arguing with any of that clip/west. There’s a reason Jay and Bill are friends. Bill still sees potential for success and Jay didn’t want to deal with it; Jay might have made the smart move. Kansas will continue to lose players, but they will continue to be a destination for players in the portal as well. KU’s biggest mistake in the portal this last year is still unforgivable imo, selecting Morris, a creep. Timberlake had most everyone fooled, that said, he’ll get the last laugh if he goes off next week (I highly doubt that will happen, but who knows). Self already has eyes on the portal. I doubt he puts the same effort into re-recruiting his own roster that LL is; football is an entirely different animal tho. What helps Self is every other coach is dealing with the same issues. Only Calipari is playing the same game as always, because he rarely kept kids longer than a year anyway; although looking at his most successful teams will show you they had some older kids. Keeping in mind with all of this, Self’s 2 first team all conference studs were both portal gets. Too bad both are injured, but that’s life. One more nugget, w/o much maligned portal stud Remy Martin, KU doesn’t win it all just 2 years ago. I’d say Bill has done just fine in the portal era so far.
From: ksq232
16-Mar-24
I was going to keep quiet about it, but since your article brought it up, I wonder if cherney is again going to admit being wrong? This time about KU likely getting a 4 seed? I doubt it, he doesn’t admit when he’s wrong that often, and since the kittens will likely be in the NIT, he’s prolly done with this thread for now anyway. :-)
From: Kansasclipper
16-Mar-24
I think Bills quick trigger to pull a player the first mistake he makes will lead to players transferring out. Coaches will have to change their philosophy or players will leave. With Philon coming in, KU doesn't need Harris around. Let the youngster play. I bet he wasn't counting on Harris playing an extra year.
From: be still
16-Mar-24
Them spanking Baylor didn’t surprise me too much but this is crazy.
From: ksq232
16-Mar-24
Not falling for ISU this time around. I’ve drank their B12 tourney elixir before and always get burned. I’ll have them falling the first weekend in my bracket; which means they will make it to their first final 4 since 1944. :-)
From: Kansasclipper
16-Mar-24
I'm probably going to take them to the final four along with NC.
From: ksq232
16-Mar-24
Brave man! Lol
From: cherney12
17-Mar-24
KU is 4-6 in their last 10 with two 29+ point losses. They had some great wins in November and 12/1, but if they are a 1-4 seed I will write you an apology letter.
From: t-roy
17-Mar-24
Hilton (South) magic…..Again!
Hundred bucks says the Clones go deeper into the tournament than the Jayskwawks, ksq232…
From: ksq232
17-Mar-24
I don’t think either will make it past the sweet 16, t-roy. But there’s no way I’ll make anymore bets based on the performance of kids. I’ve learned my lesson.
Serious question for you as a clones fan. Based on their abysmal performance for years now in the dance, do you think they get worn out emotionally and physically at the B12 tourney? This is quite a topic of debate amongst my college basketball fan friends, many of us have been burned by ISU in our brackets.
From: Kansasclipper
17-Mar-24
Joe Lunardi thinks it is one of the best fields ever for the tourney. If Florida wins today, KU will end up being a 5 seed.
From: cherney12
17-Mar-24
I’m sorry James I was wrong.
From: cherney12
17-Mar-24
I’m sorry James I was wrong.
From: Ksgobbler
17-Mar-24
Won't shock me if KU gets bounced the first game. Also won't shock me if they make the sweet 16. It's madness
From: ksq232
17-Mar-24
I was out at the farm all afternoon and was just listening to fox sports radio on the way home. Did OU not get selected? That is very surprising if so, I’m hoping I misheard that.
From: be still
17-Mar-24
James I sometimes picture you a man that just blabbers. Up above a ways back you was bragging up a storm about how the big 12 was so good. Now you’re saying how the number 2 team and the conference champions won’t make it to the sweet 16. You remind me of a bass on the bank when I was younger trying to grab him…you just flip flop all around the place.
From: crestedbutte
17-Mar-24
Nope…no OU again. Moser’s seat is heating up in Norman. Appears TCU got the nod instead. With a strong Big 12, final conf. standings appeared to matter in the end. TCU beat OU in the conf. tourney and finished 1 game better and 1 place higher in final Big 12 standings.
If OU would have atleast beat TX in their final regular season game in Austin then OU might have had a better chance of making the NCAA tourney as that would have been a resume booster at end of season.
Oh well, looks like it will be an OU-K-State NIT final….yeah right, LOL!!!
From: ksq232
18-Mar-24
Calhoun, your ignorance must be bliss — first of all, is KU the number two team? Secondly, do you not pay any attention to the past? Has ISU EVER exceeded expectations in the tourney? Thirdly, the B12 tourney winner is not the conference champ; the team that wins the regular season wears that crown. Much like K-State last year, the team that goes the furthest from the B12 will sneak up on people again this year I’m betting. ISU got an incredibly tough draw, if they had played anyone with a pulse in the non-con, they would have been a number 1 seed.
From: be still
18-Mar-24
Calmeth it down James…I might’ve been blabbing a little myself last night. But no I didn’t get KU confused with being the number 2 team…you got excited and took that wrong. What I meant was Iowa State finishing 2nd and being the conference champ, my bad, meant to say tournament champ.
I know this hurts but everybody knows KU finished down towards the middle. I mean a couple calls during regular season from having the same record as the Cats which are being left out. They got KU now at a 4. Explain how that works? Smells like they be getting calls their way even before the tournament starts. See all the big guys in the news had them pre-season number 1 but no they can’t look bad so let’s put them a 4 and give them the best chance possible to move further along.
From: cherney12
18-Mar-24
they made the sweet 16 as an 11 seed in 2022... they are good this year
From: ksq232
18-Mar-24
The reason KU got an undeserved 4 seed is the same reason ISU got an undeserved 2 seed (they should have been a one). The selection committee only has the last 10 game results as a small portion of the formula. The much bigger portion is strength of schedule. KU not only played, but beat very good teams in the non-con (UCONN, Tenn, Kentucky). Again, ISU had one of the worst non-con schedules in all of div 1 basketball. SEC and B10 coaches have been crying for a while now how the B12 padded their schedule to prop up the strength of the conference, by playing pitiful non-con teams. Honestly, they have a little bit of an argument. Several B12 teams had powder puff schedules early in the year.
From: ksq232
18-Mar-24
I never said they’re not good cherney, they just VERY rarely do well in the tourney, like 80 years since their last final 4 kind of not well. The last time they were a 2 seed they got upset in the FIRST round!!
Would you say a sweet 16 exit for them this year would be a success?
From: be still
18-Mar-24
Alright Jamie…which conference do you think is the best? Don’t write 2 paragraphs explaining your thoughts…just the words naming the conference.
From: cherney12
18-Mar-24
no they should make the elite 8. got a bit of a rough draw with UConn as their 1 but they should definitely get to that game
From: Kansasclipper
18-Mar-24
Big 12 was the best conference this year. The SEC had the best athletes. Iowa state did get the toughest draw. If Iowa State, Ucon, and Auburn were all in different regions, I would have them all going to the final 4. Kansas actually got a good draw and a weak region. The have a good chance of getting to the elite 8 if McCullar and Dickenson can play and aren't hindered by injury. Purdue can be beaten but McNeese St will be a tough out. Watch out for Grand Canyon. The WAC player of the year was Tyon Grant Foster, a Kansas native, who Bill Self should have kept at KU. He transferred from KU after his freshman year. Bill won't use a 10 man rotation and has a history of yanking players out of games the first time they make a mistake. With the portal, he will have to change his philosophy or recruiting won't matter at all.
From: ksq232
18-Mar-24
I honestly don’t know what conference is best this year Calhoun. Top to bottom I’d say B12, but the tourney is WIDE open. When I say I don’t have confidence in ISU and their tough draw, it doesn’t mean I don’t think someone in the conference can’t make a run. Like I said earlier, I think the B12 contender(s) will surprise people. Btw, if you include next year’s additions, the B12 has 10 tourney teams. Next year’s 12 will be the most dominant conference by far.
Is that a short enough paragraph for you? I tend to pontificate like a Texan. :-)
From: be still
19-Mar-24
I don’t even know what that word means but I do understand the meaning of these words you spoke not too far back….flip flopper:?)
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
ksq232's Link
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
A lot can change in a month Calhoun… The success of ISU and Houston in particular, will be dependent on the way the tourney is officiated. They are both very aggressive on the defensive end and hand check constantly. Coach Otejbwrksburger is pretty open about their willingness to push the limits defensively. And we all know about Coach Sampson’s defenses.
From: be still
19-Mar-24
Yea I thought about that the other day on the officiating but I still went with em. Hopefully they call it fair both ways.
From: cherney12
19-Mar-24
What has changed in the last 40 days for the big 12 other than KU proving to have been a fraud all along?
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
The B12 basically mirrors the entire 68 team field. Not one team has no significant holes. It’s difficult to put much confidence in any of them.
It’s gonna be so satisfying if KU goes on a run. They will still be a fraud in your own little world though cherney, which would make it even MORE satisfying.
:-)
From: be still
19-Mar-24
Not one team has no significant holes…what does that even mean?
From: sitO
19-Mar-24
Nobody, we'll nobody with common sense, is picking Cheat-U
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Oh yeah, if KU goes on a run I’m going to be as insufferable as Kyle. Gonna go watch that NIT game Kyle??? Iowa/Kittens that’s some riveting entertainment right there sir!
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Calhoun I don’t think my posts are half as puzzling as your “hope he wasn’t joking” thread. ;-)
From: sitO
19-Mar-24
"If" you thought the cheaters were going to win... you'd say "when"
From: Kansasclipper
19-Mar-24
I'm taking KU to the sweet 16, only because I think McCullar and Dickenson will play.
From: cherney12
19-Mar-24
Gonzaga will beat them regardless of health Jamie
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Lol, I never said they were gonna win, I’m just glad the cheaters kept their NCAA streak alive with such a down year and all. McCuller not playing btw…
From: cherney12
19-Mar-24
$50 on it for anyone who thinks otherwise
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Why do you keep talking to me instead of clip, cherney? I believe he is the one prior to your post, who said KU to the Sweet 16. Gonzaga not making it out of the first round in my bracket anyway.
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Regardless, I’m certainly glad KU will provide you (Kyle and Patrick just to be clear) two kittens with some entertainment, since your team of powderpuffs and your hall of fame in waiting coach are AWOL. :-)
From: Kansasclipper
19-Mar-24
Kansasclipper's Link
Well I just heard McCullar isn't playing now so I am changing my picks. I don't think KU can handle the full court pressure of Samford and without McCullar they can't defend the 3. Two years in a row of disappoint. Bill spent to much time at the Salty Iguana last year and wound up in the hospital and now injuries and a disappointing portal addition. I am wondering if Harris will change his mind now. They have the #3 PG in the nation coming in and Bill is after a good point guard in the portal for next season. Fingers crossed he moves on.
From: sitO
19-Mar-24
Call us what you want, we weren't picked #1 at the beginning of the season...and we sure as hell didn't lose by 50 in our last two games
From: be still
19-Mar-24
Jamie for a man to get puzzled it has to come from a semi base of clear understanding…you can’t get puzzled:?)
I’m with Clipper. Can I still change some of my picks or is it too late? I just read where earlier where the big center for Florida broke his leg in the last game and now just found out about McCullar.
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
NIT! NIT! NIT! At least Grape Tang swallowed his pride and is actually playing. Porter said no.
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
I’m starting to hear you clip on Harris. I love the kid’s heart and his overcoming incredible life obstacles. I can see why Bill is so protective of him; but it was a rough year for him. He’ll likely not have the leadership/talent combo around him like Ochai/Braun next year. They will have talent, no doubt, but homegrown, veteran talent like that will not be there.
From: sitO
19-Mar-24
She was waymobetta on Star Trek
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
Never change Kyle, never change. Lol
From: Kansasclipper
19-Mar-24
Be Still you can still change your picks up til Thursday when the games start. Our spring break was early this year so I took 1/2 day personal days on Thursday and Friday. Thought about hooking up my computer on the big screen and playing the games in PE but sometimes that Dish Anywhere is not very clear. Plus I like sitting in my chair. Bill likes Harris and who wouldn't for what he came from. But I think Bill also plays cheerleader to keep his confidence up. He just isn't the prototype point guard. Lacks strength, lacks aggressiveness, and doesn't have that junk yard mentality. His lack of aggressiveness hurts the team and hurts the bigs inside. He isn't a threat to shoot so teams just sag and help off him. Makes it easy to double the post and cover the others who will shoot. His lack of aggression makes KU's weaknesses magnified, 3 point shooting.
From: sitO
19-Mar-24
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19-Mar-24
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19-Mar-24
From: ksq232
19-Mar-24
What has gotten to me lately clip is the fact he has one of the highest 3 point percentages on the team; I believe he’s still shooting it at close to 40%.
From: cherney12
19-Mar-24
He’s 1 for his last 13
From: Kansasclipper
19-Mar-24
When he shoots there is never anyone near him and he has all day to look at it like a free throw. He needs a good nucleus around him and KU doesn't have it. A point guard has to make everyone else better, he needs Ochi and Remi to make him look better. Timberlake and Furphy aren't Ochi and Remi.
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
I just looked it up, Harris leads the team currently in 3% at 37.9%. BUT he’s still scared to shoot it, that’s unacceptable.
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
1 for his last 13 will do that to a guy
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Shows you how good he shoots it Patrick; still close to 40% even after a slump. Thanks for pointing that out. And btw, he didn’t like shooting it even when he was shooting it at over the mid forties type of percentage.
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
Averages 2.1 attempts and less than one made 3 per game. He’s a non-factor offensively and the fact that you are proud of that part of his game speaks volumes of the current state of their roster and your basketball IQ.
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
Averages 2.1 attempts and less than one made 3 per game. He’s a non-factor offensively and the fact that you are proud of that part of his game speaks volumes of the current state of their roster and your basketball IQ.
From: be still
20-Mar-24
Jamie you would make more sense if you would just listen to Clipper. He tried to explain it to you just up above. I’m pretty sure I could step outside right now and shoot close to 50% on 3s without nobody in my face and I don’t play much anymore.
Like Clip is trying to say if he shot more people would get on him and that percentage would probably be in the 20s.
Again try to listen to Patrick and Clipper…they will help you.
From: be still
20-Mar-24
Yea Clip I might switch a few of my pics around. I had Kansas going further than I wanted just because of their weak bracket but now without that one guy…
Same with Baylor and their weak defense. Was probably planning on putting them out pretty early but they’re in a soft bracket as well.
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Clip knows a little something, Patrick does not. He’s a hater, nothing more in this thread. Unfortunately, he has nothing to cheer for, so it’s easy to become a hater. He and Kyle have it mastered, years of disappointment have primed them well. They thought they were getting out of the cellar last year, but Grape Tang is fool’s gold it appears.
From: be still
20-Mar-24
You can’t go off one year and I still have faith in Tang. He had better players and a dang good experienced college point guard directing that team last year.
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Did he recruit that awesome point guard? He caught lightening in a bottle last year. AND you do realize we’re BOTH judging him off one year. Right?
From: be still
20-Mar-24
Well Weber didn’t seem to be doing all that great with the same players. Getting Johnson from Florida for one year helped Tang but he also lost Pack before he got there. His first year was something.
We’ll see if Tang ends up being good but right now after 2 seasons I still like him.
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
who is the hater?
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
I'm the reigning bracket challenge champion!!!!! Who are you? That's right...NOBODY!
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Very good Pattie, you got me!
From: crestedbutte
20-Mar-24
Cherney…epitaph material right there, LOL!!
Calhoun….go ahead and Google what epitaph means….no one is going to hold it against ya.
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
Lol
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Funny stuff crested! Has the SEC softened you some? You’re not bringing the heat quite as strong as the past. :-)
From: be still
20-Mar-24
Crested I ain’t got time right now but yes I’ll googled that word later…wait ain’t that the word used to describe somebody’s important accomplishments while they were living?
For all y’all that might want to make some last minute changes tonight. Utah just brought to my attention the trend the last 3 years on male genitalia name teams pulling off major upsets.
Three years ago we had ORAL Roberts taking down Ohio State.
Two years we had St. PETERS taking down Kentucky.
Last year we had Fairleigh DICKinson taking down Purdue.
This year could it be LongWOOD taking down Houston?
Also maybe MoreHEAD knocking off Illinois?
Just something to think about.
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Only you Calhoun… lol
From: crestedbutte
20-Mar-24
This just in......Calhoun sent me a PM asking me what a Google is, LOL!!!!
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Wow…………..
Calhoun often reminds me of my father-in-law (quite the compliment btw). I often don’t know if we’re (kids) playing him, or he’s playing us….
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
he's playing us but I may have to take moreHead now
From: be still
20-Mar-24
I don’t know about y’all. A person refers to male parts and y’all get all excited and start talking about playing with each other and talking nasty:?)
Yea James Crested is going soft on us. The eyes gives off kindness and the soft open fingered hand to the chin speaks gentleness. Give you a hint Crested…next time close that hand into a fist. It’s okay if you’re reaching for a gun or ready to tangle but not propping your chin up.
From: Ksgobbler
20-Mar-24
I took Samford on the moneyline which means KU will somehow squeak it out.
From: MDW
20-Mar-24
Probably doesn't matter to most of you guys, but got to watch a hometown girl coach her first NCAA women's tourney with a win. Presbyterian college in Clinton, SC. Congratulations to Alaura Sharp !!
From: cherney12
20-Mar-24
Awesome congrats to Alaura!
From: ksq232
20-Mar-24
Very cool Marvin!
From: Kansasclipper
22-Mar-24
Well the officials took away an opportunity for Samford to pull off the upset. We will never know what might have happened. What a great play taken away from a player. Absolutely no contact.
From: ksq232
22-Mar-24
Yeah clip, I was getting super ticked throughout the game. When I pay a ref over $5000 bucks, that’s a lot of money for a guy like me, I don’t expect phantom calls on MY team that takes our best players out of the game for long stretches. Making a game that is meant to last a couple hours at the most, almost unwatchable. I mean come on! Samford shot 3s, that’s all they did, and the foul count is even? Seriously??? But my man made it all better with that foul call. Money still talks!!!
I remember a guy a while back getting all over me for getting on the refs, asking me if I’d ever reffed a game. Who was that guy??? Lol!!!!!
From: Kansasclipper
22-Mar-24
All the calls on Harris were fouls. He got caught pivoting his elbow in the head area, had it been a taller player it would not have been a foul. But it was the right call. So was the offensive foul off the ball. Bill didn't really seem to have a problem with it. I thought the game was officiated pretty well. Except for the blown call. The foul count isn't supposed to be even. An embarrassing game for KU. The barely escaped a bunch of midgets. As far as shooting 3's, they should have shot more. Going inside wasn't going to work. KU was on the ropes and out of energy. Had it gone into overtime, Samford had the edge.
From: ksq232
22-Mar-24
Sooo, the refs did a great job; okay got ya. Lol
Clip, sometimes I think you know something about ball, and other times I’m left guessing. When a team shoots 3s at such a big percentage, faces a team that takes it inside at such a big percentage; a well-called game will NEVER result in even fouls. Come on coach, use that thing between your ears and don’t let your disdain for this particular KU team cloud your vision.
From: ksq232
22-Mar-24
Your boys looking pretty salty calhoun
From: be still
22-Mar-24
Not much salt needed when you’re eating a cupcake.
From: Kansasclipper
22-Mar-24
During the course of a game players make mistakes and officials miss calls. But when the game is on the line, an official should swallow his whistle and let the players decide the game. Samford's philosophy is to pressure you. You don't win in the first half with pressure. The philosophy is to pressure you from start to finish and when the game gets to the last 2 minutes you have worn the opponent down. Samford did exactly that and put themselves in a position to win the game. They made a defensive play that should have given them an opportunity to score and win and given KU the opportunity to deny them. The officials took away that opportunity. Let the players play and decide the game. Every coach, including Bill Self, will agree with that.
From: ksq232
22-Mar-24
Yep clip, you’re finally right, the refs sucked the whole game. We finally agree!
From: be still
22-Mar-24
Then again there’s some people who might want to put a lot of salt on a cupcake.
Well it wouldn’t let me post a pic of the halftime score of the Houston game.
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
Well, that’s a wrap. Good luck to Baylor, ISU, and Houston now.
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Other than KJ Adams, Furphy, and possibly Elmarko there is no one we need back. Need to move on to a new point guard. I read that KJ doesn't know if he will be back next season. I can't figure out why Bill doesn't try and mix it up with zone. This team could not guard. In the past he would use a zone from time to time and also used to go to a triangle and 2. He just isn't making adjustments for whatever reason. Maybe he just figures with the lack of talent, it would be even worse.
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Checkin in to see if KU made the sweet 16 or if Jamie admitted he was wrong?
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Checkin in to see if KU made the sweet 16 or if Jamie admitted he was wrong?
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
I was wrong, but I made that comment before Kevin was ruled out. My brackets reflect that.
I’m surprised you’re still watching basketball after your team didn’t win a single game in the NIT.
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
You talking about zone in this game, or games in general this year, clip? Gonzaga was shooting lights out from 3 in the second half, not a good recipe for zone, no matter how gassed your guys are.
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Really?????? A 1-2-2 or 3-2 zone is designed to guard the perimeter. You give up the middle. I copy and pasted this for you. Strengths The three biggest strengths of the 1-2-2 zone defense are:
1. Defending Shooters – The 1-2-2 zone defense is better at defending against the three-point shot than the 2-3 zone is.
2. Fast Break – With the top player in the middle and two wings, the players are in great positions to transition into the fast break if there is a turnover. Put your point guard on a wing and put a long, athletic player that can finish at the top.
3. Trapping Opportunities – There are great trapping opportunities out of the 1-2-2 zone defense — especially in the corner.
Weaknesses The three biggest weaknesses of the 1-2-2 zone defense are:
1. Rebounding – Since no players have their own player they’re on, everyone must find a player to box out when there’s a shot.
2. The High Post – The opposition getting the basketball into the high post is what hurts a 1-2-2 zone defense the most. A good passing team that manages to get the basketball there often can pick your team apart.
3. Post Players Must Guard Corners – This can be a problem if you have post players that don’t move quickly, or if you only have a couple of big players that you’d prefer to leave inside the key.
From: sitO
23-Mar-24
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
I see what you’re saying clip but KU’s big men are anything but fast, but there’s a reason the best coaches run man. Zone is a lazy man’s defense. Baylor couldn’t even win with it, and they always had length. It wasn’t until Drew went with man that they won big.
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Zone is a lazy man's defense, LMAO. Maybe in Rec League, Jr. High, or with a HS coach who doesn't know how to install it. You should try coaching with your basketball knowledge. For what its worth, KU's man defense was about as lazy as any defense I have seen KU play during the Self era.
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
KU was playing short all season incredibly short at the end. Timberlake, Furphy, Hunt, all defensive liabilities; Jackson and McDowell could get there, if they stick around, but they were out of position all the time. Btw, even as bad as it looked, they have the #12 adjusted defense in the nation, whatever that means; form what I’ve read it’s because of their defensive rebounding making the defense look better. Self beat North Carolina with a triangle and 2 in ‘08, so I do think Self is willing to adjust, when he has the personal to do so. I guess I’ve never seen zone played effectively, the players never look like they’re working as hard as those playing effective man defense. Part of the reason Baylor has gone downhill defensively the past couple years is Tang left, and took his defensive coaching prowess with him.
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Ever heard of Jim Boeheim?
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Well those players didn't walk on, they were paid to play there and picked by the KU staff. KU had a short bench and that is on Bill Self. The failure of this season is 100% on Bill Self. Now he has got to correct it. He has to show Harris the door.
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
Lol! Gonna hang your hat on Jim Boeheim???
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
I mean he ran a little zone on the way to 5 final 4s and second most D1 wind ever
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
Yeah he was great…..
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Tell us more expert
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
I one thing I learned early on coaching was that it was a losing battle to discuss basketball playing time or philosophy with parents, staff members, fans, etc. I always just listened for a second, then walked away. Eventually, I learned to not put myself in their presence at all. KSQ is a devoted fan, and that is to be admired. But, it is harder to walk away on a social media forum. People view sports in a biased manner for the most part. Parents view sports in a way that benefits their child, Fanboys only see it from a perspective that benefits their team.
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Haha true… I mean Oakland just used a zone to help them beat Kentucky two days ago and they were way more outmanned than KU was today
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Baylor went away from it because other teams in the league learned how to beat it. But you need to be able to play zone to throw a wrinkle out there. Oakland plays a 1-3-1 and that is what Bill Self used to play back in the day. He is just too hard headed now and refuses to make changes. I felt he gave up on this team when it was clear he wasn't going to win the regular season league title. His quote after the game confirmed it.
From: ksq232
23-Mar-24
A zone would have done nothing for KU today cherney— Clip would agree with that. They were done at the end of the first half; just the way it is.
Edited….
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Yeah at the end of the second half they were down 21 and their season was done I agree
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Yeah at the end of the second half they were down 21 and their season was done I agree
From: cherney12
23-Mar-24
Yeah at the end of the second half they were down 21 and their season was done I agree
From: Kansasclipper
23-Mar-24
Oregon looking pretty good playing zone. KU was done before the season started. Bills health did them in last March.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Fun game Oregon and Creighton. Creighton the better team, Oregon kid playing out of his mind though. Creighton better coached too.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Oregon thin, exhausted and done…. Fouling with 6 seconds left on shot clock????
From: be still
24-Mar-24
James try not to pretend that you know more than the coach…it’s not a good look.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Calhoun, I have been around basketball my entire life, I played a lot of it as well, including some in college. I know a little bit about it. And I’m not trying to sound like I know more than the almighty coach. Btw, you gonna ever answer my question from earlier? I didn’t think so….
From: be still
24-Mar-24
It’s not becoming for a man of the cloth to tempt a man to go back on his word James.
I’ll tell you what though since I like you so much I’ll give you a hint. A few months ago you told me this story about the past of Baylor Basketball and I responded back.
If I responded again to something that we went over just a while back it would start sounding like something in between Pete and Repeat and Who’ on First.
From: be still
24-Mar-24
This was a repeat.
From: Kansasclipper
24-Mar-24
Realistically KU was not a top 25 team at the end of the season. Bill realized that late in January which is why he was looking to next years squad. Looking at the tournament field, I doubt there was a dozen teams they could beat.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Baylor better talk defense during the half. Clemson shooting over 50% from floor and 55% from 3. Meanwhile, Baylor shooting 33% from floor and 3. Take Baylor’s free throws away and this could be really ugly.
From: Kansasclipper
24-Mar-24
Big 12 disappointing.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Houston’s lack of depth and propensity to foul, and actually get called for it, just might catch up with them.
From: Kansasclipper
24-Mar-24
Grand Canyon went down fighting but it is hard to overcome one of the best point guards in the country. Sears is a dog. I like him and Kolek from Marquette.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
TGF was a lot of fun to watch. The kid has been through a lot, I hope he gets to make some good money overseas, or maybe in the NBA.
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Ol Kelvin pretty ticked at the half. Lol
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Wow!! OT… Houston in major foul trouble too
From: ksq232
24-Mar-24
Shead played a heck of a game, reminded me of Frank Mason carrying KU squads in the past.
From: be still
24-Mar-24
Good game with Houston.
Baylor has looked weak the last few years. Athletic talented players but no grit. Maybe time to start thinking about another coach if he can’t win with talent.
From: cherney12
25-Mar-24
KU was leading at halftime but that somehow translates to they were done and tryin something different when everyone was getting blown by and bullied was of no use mmmk
From: cherney12
25-Mar-24
KU was leading at halftime but that somehow translates to they were done and tryin something different when everyone was getting blown by and bullied was of no use mmmk
From: crestedbutte
27-Mar-24
Kicker
Kicker
Everyone Else
Everyone Else
Not exactly topical but since it seems like the majority of KS forum traffic is temporarily focused here for the time being anyway….,
If you didn’t already know, there will be a major change to the look of an NFL kickoff this fall (similar to that of the XFL/USFL). If you are unsure of what that looks like say goodbye to the Wedge Buster!!!
See below and pics attached:
-Kicker will be positioned by himself at his own 30 yard line.
-Kicking team will line up at their opponent's 40-yard line, eliminating the traditional running head start.
-Return team will field up to two returners in the backfield, and the rest of the team will line up in a new "set up zone" between the 30- and 35-yard line.
-Refs are at midfield.
-Will be an emphasis on touchbacks, as you’ll get a better ball spot upon a touchback (30 yd. line instead of 25 yd. line). The only official touchback will be when the ball sails out the back of the endzone entirely.
-Surprise on-side kicks will no longer be allowed. Teams must announce an on-side kick attempt in advance.
-Besides the kicker and returners, no players from either side will be allowed to move until a returner touches the ball or the ball hits the ground.
-Fair catches will no longer be allowed.
Just another step toward the Wussification of America!!!
From: ksq232
27-Mar-24
I’ve been reading about this. Colin Cowherd had an NFL special teams coordinator on today explaining how teams will attack. It should bring a little more excitement into that part of the game. Not as many touchback after touchback scenarios. There were 13 touchbacks in the Super Bowl alone he said.
From: cherney12
27-Mar-24
Yeah I don't mind it as kickoffs had essentially become a waste of time with the current rules.
From: Dale06
27-Mar-24
Give them a belt with a flag on each hip, and get rid of all pads. I hope nobody gets a strain. Oh and some kind of tackle will be a15 yard penalty. If a tackler grabs a ball carrier around the waist and drops, pulling the ball carrier to the ground, 15 yard penalty. Again, convert to flag football. What a joke.
From: cherney12
27-Mar-24
The hip drop tackle they banned was when you swing on top of the runners ankles/lower legs while grabbing them around the waste. Extremely dangerous and pretty uncommon. Not sure why it’s being made into such a big deal. Bad press is good for business in the NFL. All press is good for them.
From: cherney12
27-Mar-24
The hip drop tackle they banned was when you swing on top of the runners ankles/lower legs while grabbing them around the waste. Extremely dangerous and pretty uncommon. Not sure why it’s being made into such a big deal. Bad press is good for business in the NFL. All press is good for them.
From: cherney12
27-Mar-24
The hip drop tackle they banned was when you swing on top of the runners ankles/lower legs while grabbing them around the waste. Extremely dangerous and pretty uncommon. Not sure why it’s being made into such a big deal. Bad press is good for business in the NFL. All press is good for them.
From: crestedbutte
27-Mar-24
KSQ…I would have never guessed that there were that many TB’s in that game. However, when it is such a yawner of a moment in a game I guess they can get by us without ever realizing their frequency.
Dale…yep I am in your camp man!!!
Cherney….agreed. I think the NFL calls all those kick-offs with touchbacks a “dead play” and thus want to reduce or eliminate “dead plays” completely.
From: sitO
27-Mar-24
Stop watching the kneeler's
From: Dale06
27-Mar-24
SitO, I’ve pretty much followed that advice. I watched part of the Super Bowl, only cause the Chiefs were playing. The rest of the nfl season, I watched less than an hour total. So many other things to do that add much more to my life. Doubt I’ll watch any more next year.
From: sitO
27-Mar-24
Overpaid actors, they couldn't care less about so called "fans", dump'm on the next block
From: cherney12
28-Mar-24
best for of sports entertainment that exists...you need to move on. A few wanted to make a statement that they were tired of seeing unarmed black people beings shot by police. Get over it.
From: sitO
28-Mar-24
There are other ways to protest Patrick, you do you buddy
From: cherney12
28-Mar-24
lol yeah there are but we can forgive them and move on, right?
From: ksq232
28-Mar-24
There are some idiots in the league, but there are some stand up fellas as well — those that handle the fame and fortune well have my admiration; as strange as that sounds. They are far from the same as true warriors and heroes; but handling success isn’t easy. Money ruins a lot of people.
From: sitO
28-Mar-24
I can forgive them, but I won't support them, that flag and anthem means more to me. They knew what they were doing.
From: NCK
28-Mar-24
"they were tired of seeing unarmed black people beings shot by police. Get over it."
Says the idiot.
Still wearing a mask? Or is it not as dangerous as you said it was?
From: Kansasclipper
28-Mar-24
Clemson and the ZONE DEFENSE upsets Arizona.
From: cherney12
28-Mar-24
Go away Tom nobody wants you here. Keep your head in the sand and out of our lives
From: sitO
03-Apr-24
sitO's Link
The men's team in KS just landed the #2 guard, #13 player in the portal!
From: crestedbutte
03-Apr-24
So, that means he’s probably the 5th-6th best guard in the Big 12 next year? Big WHOOP!!!! ;?)
Of the 3 schools, guess K-State is paying him more NIL $$$ than he got playing for Michigan and more than TCU offered? Will be watching over the next 2 yrs (if he stays that long) to see what kind of ROI K-State got?
From: sitO
03-Apr-24
We lost a bunch of guys, just happy to have a scorer coming in...
and that I'm not from OU
