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Permitless CC in twelve states
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"12 States Where the Second Amendment is Your Carry Permit

by AWR Hawkins1 Sep 201737 While our nation’s overall concealed carry landscape is a patchwork of frustrating laws many Americans struggle to navigate, it is heartening to know that 12 states makes things easy by allowing law-abiding residents to carry guns without any bureaucratic interference. This means 12 states recognize the Second Amendment as your concealed carry permit. The states are Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

A brief overview of the carry laws of the permitless carry states follows:

Alaska–Alaska did away with its concealed carry permit requirement in 2003. The NRA-ILA sums up Alaska’s carry law: “Any person 21 years of age or older may carry a handgun concealed on their person provided that, when contacted by a police officer, informs the officer of that possession and allows the police officer to secure the handgun for the duration of that contact.”

Arizona–On April 16, 2010, Gov. Jan Brewer (R) signed legislation abolishing a concealed carry permit requirement in Arizona. The law allows law-abiding citizens 21-years and older to carry a concealed handgun on their persons for self-defense. Arizonans have the option to carry their handgun openly without a permit if they so choose, and it is not uncommon to be line at a burger joint and see the guy in front of you carrying one of the Kimber 1911s or a Glock 19 in plain sight.

Idaho–On March 25, 2016, Gov. Butch Otter (R) signed legislation which did away with a permit requirement for concealed carry. KTVB reported that Otter released a letter subsequent to the signing in which he stressed that permitless carry “is consistent with the U.S. Constitution.”

Kansas–On April 2, 2015, Gov. Sam Brownback (R) signed legislation abolishing the requirement for a concealed carry license in Kansas. According to the Topeka Capital-Journal, Moms Demand Action’s TerMiller as saying her group “spoke out against this dangerous setback for public safety [but] Governor Brownback ignored [them].”

Maine–On July 8, 2015, Gov. Paul LaPage (R) signed legislation abolishing Maine’s concealed carry permit requirement. The legislation was sponsored by Eric Brakey (R-Auburn), who pointed to the inconsistency in Maine’s laws, inasmuch as Maine allowed open carry without a permit but required residents to acquire government documentation before carrying in the event that their jacket covered their gun. He said, “When someone with a credible death threat against them has to wait for months before they can carry legally and defend themselves with their jacket on, that says it is not working.”

Mississippi–On April 15, 2016, Gov. Phil Bryant (R) signed permitless carry legislation into law for Mississippi. Breitbart News reported that the new law expanded previous permitless provisions from carry in backpacks and satchels only to carry in “belt and shoulder holsters” as well.

Missouri–On September 14, 2016, Missouri lawmakers overrode Gov. Jay Nixon’s (D) veto and abolished a concealed carry permit requirement in the state. The permitless carry legislation–SB 656–was sponsored state Sen. Brian Munzlinger (R-18). He pointed out SB 656 would “allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves from criminals.”

New Hampshire–On February 22, 2017, Gov. Chris Sununu (R) signed legislation abolishing a permit requirement for concealed carry in New Hampshire. Open carry without a permit was already legal in the state and those who permitless concealed carry argued that they were just making the laws congruent. After the bill was signed, Fox News quoted Sununu saying, “This is about making sure that our laws on our books are keeping people safe while remaining true to the live-free-or-die spirit.”

North Dakota–On March 23, 2017, Gov. Doug Burgum (R) signed legislation abolishing the concealed carry permit requirement for North Dakota. After the the legislation was signed the West Fargo Pioneer quoted Burgum saying, “North Dakota has a rich heritage of hunting and a culture of deep respect for firearm safety. As a hunter and gun owner myself, I strongly support gun rights for law-abiding citizens. House Bill 1169 allows citizens to exercise their Second Amendment right under the U.S. Constitution.”

West Virginia–The West Virginia House overrode Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s (D) veto of permitless carry legislation on March 4, 2016. The state Senate overrode it on March 5. Ninety days later permitless carry took effect in West Virginia.

Wyoming–Wyoming abolished its concealed carry permit requirement in 2011. The state allows residents to carry openly or concealed without a permit.

It should be noted that the 11 states listed above each issue concealed carry permits for those wanting them for reciprocity purposes. This allows residents who carry in their home states to maintain the ability to cross state lines and carry in stats that have reciprocal permit recognition. One exception to the issuance of permits is Vermont, the last state on our list of 12:

Vermont–Vermont does not have a concealed carry permit requirement nor does the state issue a concealed carry permit for those who might want one. Rather, the NRA-ILA reports that Vermont’s law on carrying is simple: “It is lawful to carry a firearm openly or concealed provided the firearm is not carried with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man. It is unlawful to carry a firearm within any state institution or upon the grounds or lands owned or leased by such institution.”

FBI crime stats for three of the states that abolished permit requirements–Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming–show that handgun murders dropped after the permit requirements were abolished. And this makes sense, as a greater freedom to exercise Second Amendment rights means more law-abiding citizens can be armed for self-defense. So while House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) continue to drag their feet on national reciprocity, the reality of permitless carry in 12 states is a reassuring one."

Interesting gun info.

"Americans love guns so much it's almost a religion, coming right after actual religion in the Bill of Rights. Even the most liberal politicians can be put in political danger if they hint at stronger gun laws. Our devotion to these deadly weapons is baffling to people in many other countries. According to CNN, 19 countries, including Ireland, Norway, and New Zealand, don't even normally arm their police. Additionally, Americans own 48 percent of all the civilian guns in the entire world. That's a mere 5 percent of the population owning almost half the guns. We also own more guns per person than any other country, with Yemen coming a distant second. Business Insider reports that our gun culture is shocking to people in places like Australia, who enacted tight restrictions on gun ownership after a terrible mass shooting in 1996. After the shooting of nine people in a South Carolina church, the British newspaper The Independent ran with the headline "America's Shame." Love 'em or hate 'em, there are some Americans' hands you'll never pry guns from."

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The California end run:

"How California gun owners are legally keeping their AR-15 rifles

Hollie McKay By Hollie McKay Published August 23, 2017 Fox News

A California 'featureless' rifle with fixed stock, no pistol grip, muzzle brake, maximum 10-round capacity magazines. It has a regular magazine catch. NRA/CMP competition rules were modified in 2017 to accommodate rifles like these from restrictive law states.

A California 'featureless' rifle with fixed stock, no pistol grip, muzzle brake, maximum 10-round capacity magazines. It has a regular magazine catch. NRA/CMP competition rules were modified in 2017 to accommodate rifles like these from restrictive law states.

It seems California lawmakers’ efforts to force rifle owners to register their personal details, or resort to cumbersome reloading or giving up their arms altogether, may have missed the mark.

Although months behind schedule, the State of California’s Department of Justice (DOJ) this week opened up its online registration for gun owners to enroll their bullet-button toting AR-15 rifles – now deemed to be “assault weapons” – in line with a controversial set of sweeping gun control laws signed into state law last year.

But gunmakers and owners say they already have come up with creative workarounds to be legally compliant but avoid giving the government even more personal information.

“The registration is seen by many as a trap to purge the owner since they ask for very specific information about acquisition of the original rifle that most owners don’t have or remember,” Steven Lieberman, a California-based attorney and founder of firearms training company Artemis Defense, told Fox News. “As a result, the ‘guesstimate’ as most would, they are potentially committing perjury.”

The registration process is considered by many to be “more intrusive” compared to prior registration processes. In the past, one simply needed to submit a list of serial numbers to the state’s DOJ.

This time, the level of information required includes everything from locating their receipts to confirm when they originally purchased their firearms, as well as multiple photos of each gun to be uploaded, and all on a website technology rather than mobile device optimized.

This leaves the California gun owner who chooses not to register with the option of opting for a “featureless” model – deemed an AR-15 that does not contain a collapsible stock, a pistol grip, a vertical grip, or a flash suppressor. And, perhaps ironically, it has actually breathed new life into the otherwise declining gun sales.

California gun owners thus can bypass registration by either revising their current platform to the featureless style or buying a new one altogether.

“If there had been no change in the law, the California market demand for guns would have fallen just like it did in the rest of the country as demand for these types of firearms fell with the coming of the Trump presidency,” said California firearms instructor and risk analyst Dennis Santiago. He was referring to the drop in demand nationwide for guns, given that sales soared during the Obama era as gun proponents feared stringent gun control measures would be put in place.

“Instead, lawmakers just propped up demand again, and opened up the market for gun owners to convert their guns and manufacturers to make new guns that easily circumvent the law with a few cosmetic changes,” he added.

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Comparison of California "bullet button" (top) and "featureless" pattern (bottom) magazine releases.

At the heart of the legislation is the outlawing of the AR-15’s “bullet button” – already a feature not used in other states and designed to slow down the reloading process given that it requires a tool to be pushed on the ‘button’ to eject a spent magazine before being able to reload. By focusing on detachable magazines, California lawmakers were endeavoring to make it an even more laborious reloading process.

Marc Levine, a Democratic State Assembly member who was a huge backer of the new gun laws, told Fox News: “By closing the bullet button loophole, it is slowing down the reloading mechanism. Lawmakers will continue to do whatever it takes to keep communities safe.”

But savvy designers, Santiago contends, have other ideas.

“Lawmakers were probably thinking that guns would require being taken apart to reload them as a result of their new law. They were mistaken,” Santiago explained. “Ironically, the next generation of unregistered semi-automatic rifles will be better; almost all new designs will have detachable magazines again.”

Chris Eger, a staff writer for, pointed out that within days of the new legislation, there already were workaround devices and tweaks being concocted by “some clever person ... invented to defeat it.”

“We have covered several new inventions that have popped up just in the past few months, and you can imagine right now that there are rooms of people burning lean muscle tissue into the night trying to come up with more,” he said.

Manufacturers have redesigned their products to take advantage of the new law's "featureless" build definition.

“As long as states continue to pass feature-based bans and/or until the Supreme Court finally decides that all of these laws are unconstitutional,” Alan Thordsen, President of Thordsen Customs in California, said, “There will be companies like us and others designing ways to keep law-abiding citizens in compliance.”

Eger noted that the new way without the bullet button may end up making reloading more efficient.

“The new way can be faster, especially with some aftermarket attachments made to break open the receivers more quickly,” he said.



But despite the apparent outmaneuvering, California’s gun control proponents stand firm that the new legislation is still a step in the right direction.

“It’s no surprise that gun manufacturers are coming up with ways to try to get around reasonable restrictions,” said Levine, adding that they will continue to address the “workarounds” with legislation as necessary.

And Ari Freilich, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, concurred that although “workarounds have already been introduced,” they are confident that this legislation will “save lives and reduce the lethality of mass shooting events.”"

Hollie McKay has been a staff reporter since 2007. She has reported extensively from the Middle East on the rise and fall of terrorist groups such as ISIS in Iraq. Follow her on twitter at @holliesmckay


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From: Woods Walker
" Our devotion to these deadly weapons is baffling to people in many other countries."

Yeah, but it's funny how they aren't "baffled" when their ass get's in a jam and they call on US to save it. Then they think Americans and our guns are just hunky dory.

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