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From: Atheist
27-Oct-17
First indictments approved, charges to follow as soon as Monday. Manafort? Flynn? Drip, drip, drip. It's no wonder trump and his CEO idea have been working overtime to distract the public. Know who isn't distracted? Bobby Mueller. America just found its hero.

From: HA/KS
27-Oct-17

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From: Bentstick81
27-Oct-17
atheist times reporting. 8^))) What a hoot! A better question is, have you ever put anything on here that wasn't a bull$hit lie???

From: Bentstick81
27-Oct-17
hey atheist. My offer is still there for you, that if Trump gets impeached, i will never come back on here, but if he doesn't, YOU have to never come on here, even as another name, like you have in the past. Well NO BALLS, wanna take up the offer? How does that go? Oh ya, DRIP DRIP DRIP.

From: freeglee
27-Oct-17
Atheist is Right On!!@!!@

Bye Bye Tramp Trump!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: JTV
27-Oct-17
Which one of you two is the others beech ... .... sheesh .... both these dweebs are proof of a failing educational system ...

From: Bentstick81
27-Oct-17
Good thing you showed up FREEloader. Your hero started a thread, tucked his tail, like YOU, and ran off. You two chicken $hits are showing us all the GUTS you don't have. Typical Democrats. 8^)))

From: Atheist
27-Oct-17
Bent. (Or is it get-bent,)no matter pal. Your orange hero is going to look even more foolish than ever. Mueller is coming for him and no amount of deflection is going to work.

From: JTV
27-Oct-17
once again, 'theist, you prove to be one of the most ignorant SOB's on this board .....Mueller is in deep crap right now, being involved with the Uranium One scandal the way he is... he has to try and do something before his ass is handed to him .... there is nothing there on Trump ... I guess you havnt been keeping up to date ...there is no there there....HOWEVER, there is a crap load of there there against Clinton, Obama and their ilk.... THAT is where the real scandal and crime lays... your to damn ignorant to see it ...

From: Bentstick81
28-Oct-17
So atheist, i mean PHONY. You are SO SURE, that Trump is going to get impeached, so why don't you take the offer, Mr. NO BALLS? WHY NOT? You seem to me that you are NOT so sure. 8^))

From: Gray Ghost
28-Oct-17
Most reports speculate Manafort will be the first arrest.

Expect Trump to blow up Twitter, attempting to divert attention form this.

Matt

From: bad karma
28-Oct-17
Trump blows up twitter weekly. Manafort would not surprise me, but given the recent revelations, we have a few Democrats that should have lawyers on retainer.

From: K Cummings
28-Oct-17
...like moths to a flame.

KPC

From: Gray Ghost
28-Oct-17
If it's Manafort who is arrested first, my bet is Trump will fire Mueller before the ink on the news reports is dry.

This is only going to get uglier for both sides, IMO.

Matt

From: JL
28-Oct-17
FNC is saying this story hasn't been confirmed. It's a CNN story so proceed slowly with caution.

From: bad karma
28-Oct-17
Assuming the story is true, there's not much to talk about until we see who and the indictment. It could also be for lying to investigators, which would not reflect back on Trump except with the extreme Democrat partisans.

From: Thumper
28-Oct-17
The indictment and arrest is to divert attention from Mueller's involment with Hillary and the DNC.

From: slade
28-Oct-17

From: bad karma
28-Oct-17
Now, Thumper, what makes you think you know what's going on in Mueller's head? An indictment occurs after presenting the evidence to a grand jury, which takes a considerable amount of time to assemble, and present evidence. The grand jury selection,etc., would have begun months ago.

In other words, how exactly would Mueller have known about today's news coming out months ago? An alternative, and most likely theory, is that you are dead wrong.

From: slade
28-Oct-17
Unless Hillary , Comey and company knew this was going to eventually come out if the hag lost the election, preemptive strike.

From: Gray Ghost
28-Oct-17
It's also possible the indictment may be aimed at a smaller fish, hoping it will cause bigger fish, like Manafort or Flynn , to cooperate with the investigation.

Matt

From: bad karma
28-Oct-17
That may fit the facts. The idea that the indictment is to counter the recent press does not.

28-Oct-17
Either way, Manafort was just another Hilliary plant. He has along history of compliance with the globalists''s agenda. so he is one of theirs.

From: Gray Ghost
28-Oct-17
So, Hillary "planted" Manafort as campaign manager of the Trump team for 3 months?

That's a stretch even for you, Spike.

Matt

From: bad karma
28-Oct-17
I don't know how you come up with this crap, Spike. Do you have a conspiracy generator program on your computer or what?

From: TD
28-Oct-17
Manafort wasn't a Hillary "plant".... but he has a history of being a double crossing "double agent" on one side fighting the fight and then pops up defending those he was attacking..... I have read credible theories that he was on more than Trumps payroll.

From: NvaGvUp
28-Oct-17

From: Mike in CT
28-Oct-17

Mike in CT's Link
Proven under every iteration.......the only thing missing from the detailed analysis is the consistent display of total cowardice.....

From: Bonafide
29-Oct-17
All things Russian/Collusion lead to the DNC, Clintons, Obama & Holder.

From: Gray Ghost
29-Oct-17
"All things Russian/Collusion lead to the DNC, Clintons, Obama & Holder."

And you know this how? Do you have some special insight to the investigation that the rest of us don't?

All we know is Mueller has found enough evidence of criminal activity to convince a grand jury to issue indictments. We don't know what side of the isle those arrests will fall on, or if both sides are involved, which is more likely, IMO.

Matt

From: Atheist
29-Oct-17
Remember your hero Gordy? Gowdy on Fox says he has faith in Mueller and opposes any effort on Hill to curtail special counsel probe

29-Oct-17
What is undeniable at this point is that whatever comes out of this investigation, against anything Trump will be sung high and loud. If it were to change and go the other direction, I feel pretty certain that the investigation would be/have been dropped. Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. What we do know is the administration past has so many skeletons in the closet that would bode detrimental and illegal for to Trump's, yet has been brushed under the rug at this point. You lefty's can scream "foul" all you want but, your voice is inconsequential until you at least show the interest that justice goes both ways. Time will tell about Mueller.

Gowdy doesn't speak for me nor any other citizen at this point. He's a politician which basically means he is incapable of doing such, regardless of his perceived role here. And, should be held suspect of the politicians ebbs and flows until all the verdict is out. Last time I checked, the majority of both parties hated Trump based on his willingness to do what he campaigned on. Which doesn't play well with the elitist mindset politicians display in their words and actions. So, Gowdy and anyone else suggesting that the cess pool has people determined to get this right, is a laughable joke to me as we stand right now. Time will tell on that too.

29-Oct-17
" "All things Russian/Collusion lead to the DNC, Clintons, Obama & Holder." And you know this how? Do you have some special insight to the investigation that the rest of us don't?

All we know is Mueller has found enough evidence of criminal activity to convince a grand jury to issue indictments. We don't know what side of the isle those arrests will fall on, or if both sides are involved, which is more likely, IMO."

I'm just guessing Matt but, I'd say he is basing that on what the media has reported about the dealings these groups had with Russia and, the news that keeps getting leaked out tidbit at a time. IMO, You have one, so did he. And, so do I. Aside from Manafort, at this point any speculation suggesting someone else is just an opinion.

From: Fulldraw1972
29-Oct-17
It’s becoming pretty clear that everyone has collided with Russia except Trump.

29-Oct-17
Here is another thought...Perhaps Trump has allowed Mueller to fulfill the original investigation where crime took place (Uranium One), but he and everyone else was cut off at the knees by the previous Administration.

Maybe tomorrow we will all be surprised that all the BS flying around about Russia and Trump was just a diversion and the real investigation was on the prior administration.

President Trump did mention the “Calm before the storm” a few weeks ago, and if you are into thinking outside the box, this could have some merit.

From: HA/KS
29-Oct-17
"Maybe tomorrow we will all be surprised..."

It is definite that nobody posting here actually knows. We can choose to speculate, or wait to see what actually happens.

From: HA/KS
29-Oct-17
IMO, the majority of the crooks in this are definitely the leftists of the clinton/obama/DNC crime syndicate, but the investigation may or may not actually pursue them.

As many people as there are involved in a campaign and administration, it would be naive to think that all of them are always honest or actually working the will of the candidate or president.

From: buckhammer
29-Oct-17
If Atheist could bait bears like he baits those of you on the community forum the dude would be a top notch outfitter

From: Atheist
29-Oct-17
I don't believe in baiting any animals. That's not hunting. But thanks?

From: slade
30-Oct-17

From: Tonybear61
30-Oct-17
The uranium 1 deal if it has any merit is dangerous for all of us, not just Americans. If that yellow cake gets into the wrong hands and is used for a nuke, dirty bomb or just mishandled during its storage ( about 1/2 billion years) all of us are in trouble.

With the reports coming out that Hillary, Holder, and even King Obama were involved in improper dealings with the U and Russia for money$, they not only sold out America but the human race.

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Manafort and his business partner will be turning themselves into FBI. So within months trumps campaign manager is now under arrest by the fbi. Question to ponder: why did trump choose Manafort to run his campaign when he has zero experience in running a political/presidential campaign? Manafort was also in on the Russian meeting with don jr and Kushner and kept detailed notes. Rest assured Mueller will not stop with just Manafort.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Has anyone reported what the charges are?

Matt

From: bigeasygator
30-Oct-17
I had a notification from the WSJ that said they will be charged with "tax fraud" but that doesn't provide much detail and I don't hear any other outlet reporting on that other than to say they don't know yet what the charges are. Sounds like the charges will become public fairly soon (within a few hours).

From: JL
30-Oct-17
Conspiracy against the U.S., money laundering were some of the big ones, failure to report working as a foreign agent (rep).

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Does Trump risk the political fallout of firing Mueller? To me, that would indicate the fox is trying to guard the hen house. It didn't work for Nixon.

Matt

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Manafort charged w/ 12 counts conspiracy, money laundering tax evasion allegedly hiding millions from Ukraine foreign bank accts for yrs The conspiracy charges are the most troubling because it indeed conspiring with others. Who the “others” are is the big question. I’m certain we’ll find out soon. Don jr and Kushner are at the top of that list.

From: JL
30-Oct-17
Judge Nap was saying Manafort's alledged work for the Ukraine govt was up till Sept 2016. He was on Trump's staff at that point then got fired some time later.

From: JTV
30-Oct-17
Hey dipwad, yea you, 'Theist..... once again you and your ilk can not seem to grasp that this has NOTHING to do with Trump or his family... NOTHING... .. this is all on these two and has NOTHING to do with the campaign the election nor the Trumps... the REAL crimes still lay with the Clintons, the DNC, Podesta, Comey, Mueller himself, and even more .... so move along little girl, you stinking up the place ...

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Let's not forget, Mueller was tasked to investigate Trump's campaign and accusations of collusion with Russia. It's my understanding that charges have to relate to that task.

Perhaps Bad Karma, or some other legal beagle could confirm.

Matt

From: JL
30-Oct-17
Congressman Pete King said he has sat in on many of these witness interviews and has not seen any evidence/testimony linking Trump to collusion so far.

From: K Cummings
30-Oct-17
I'm fairly sure that's not the case GG.

I'm not an attorney, but it is my understanding that if in the course of doing an investigation, whatever leads to crimes the special prosecutor uncovers can be pursued, whether or not they are related to the original inquiry.

KPC

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Kevin,

That may well be the case. Certainly charges of any crimes should be pursued as a result of the inquiry. That just seems a bit of an open ticket for the investigation to get derailed in multiple directions unrelated to the original intent.

Matt

From: Tonybear61
30-Oct-17
So indictment should result in a conviction if the facts are there. Applies to any and all politicians, business owners here and abroad, Hollyweird types, journalists.....

From: K Cummings
30-Oct-17
"That just seems a bit of an open ticket for the investigation to get derailed in multiple directions unrelated to the original intent."

Yep.

KPC

From: bigeasygator
30-Oct-17

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Here's the order appointing Mueller. Any crimes arising from the investigation are fair game. As you've said Matt, it's pretty much an open ticket.

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
I’m JTV, trump campaign advisor Papadopolous just plead guilty to lying to the FBI about asking Russians about dirt on Clinton. But nope, not about trump and Russia. Are you eating lead paint again? Hahahaha!

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
We now have a trump policy advisor admitting to being in contact w Russians for the sole purpose of getting information to derail Clinton’s campaign and promote trumps. He made several trips to Moscow while being paid by trumps campaign. Why? Papadopolous is singing like a soprano. Trump is setting himself. Mueller is a hero.

From: JTV
30-Oct-17
'theist, beside your being an ignorant idiot, you have no comprehension of what is going. I will say again.. the REAL crimes are what the Clintons, the DNC, Podesta, Mueller, Comey, Lynch, Obama and his administration has done.... what Muelller has done is he has gone on a fishing jaunt, looking for anything he can to pull the heat off the Uranium One crimes and the Dossier crap/lies.... Clinton and her ilk are in deep crap right now..... and once again in regards to Trump, this indictment with Manafort has NOTHING to do with Trumps campaign or any "Russian Collusion".... NOTHING .... the problem is YOU just cant handle the truth .. you can hope in one hand and crap in another, and all YOU will have is still crap ...

From: Glunt@work
30-Oct-17
Well, I know this much. They are smiling in Russia.

Putin: "I task you with causing turmoil and doubt in the US by meeting with any campaign people you can. Pretend you want to help, have damaging info on their opponents, etc.."

Agent: "Which side?"

Putin: "Both, we don't know who will win and really don't care. The point is making a mess. Americans busy with scandals and doubting leadership keeps them all occupied and scattered while we go about our business around the world"

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Interesting theory, Glunt. I guess that would make Putin the real chess player, eh?

Matt

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Hmmm. Maybe you can express your irrational thought to the actual law enforcement agencies JTV. Otherwise can it. If Clinton is “in deep crap” then what is trump in?! Clear sailing?! And about Clinton; 1) why is there no investigation, indictments or arrests? 2) she’s not the president! Focus on 45. The corrupt faux potus. That’s the truth.

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17
NOTE:

There are NO allegations in this, let alone any indictments even remotely related to any Russian meddling in the election.

That was supposed to be Meuller's charge here, yet all he came up with were indictments which have ZERO to do with any Trump collusion with Russia re. the election.

What a 'coincidence' the Mueller comes out with this right after it's been proven that the DNC and the Clinton campaign WERE colluding with the Russians re, the election!

From: BowSniper
30-Oct-17
Funny how the Dem chairman Perez described Manafort's work as supporting a "Pro-Putin Regime". He must come from the same education system that produced PaulyZ and his aliases here! In reality, the Ukraine election was to break them away from Russia and bring them closer to US interests. I would not be surprised if the US government was funding Manafort in part. Heck, Manaforts success in the Ukranian election probably ignited the Russian war in Crimea and prompted Putin to start messing with the US elections after what we did to him with Ukraine. Just sayin'....

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17

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From: bad karma
30-Oct-17
There's one lawyer, and more than a few other folks, who ought to be quivering in their fruit of the looms over the money laundering charge. Because the $9mm paid Perkins Cole and funneled to Fusion GPS sure looks a lot like the elements of that crime.

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
How’s things looking with your heads under the sand? Clearly you haven’t seen the fact the Papadopolous has plead guilty to lying to the fbi about his meetings w Russia. He was trumps advisor. He took trips to Moscow while working for trump. He told the fbi he didn’t meet w Russians to benefit trump. That was the lie to the fbi that got him arrested and indicted. But sure. Nothing to see here.

From: bigeasygator
30-Oct-17
As others have pointed out, Kyle, these indictments don't just happen overnight. These were in the works well ahead of last weeks' news cycle. So yes, it's a coincidence. And this is merely the tip of the iceberg. How big that iceberg is remains to be seen and is still very much an unanswered question. It may be small, or it may be huge...either way this is still closer to the beginning than it is the end IMO.

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17
BEG,

Did or did not the DNC and the Hillary campaign pay for Fusion GPS to work with the Russians to come up with dirt on Trump?

ANSWER: YES! And there in lies the only collusion re. Russia's involvement in the election.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17

Gray Ghost's Link
FYI, Kyle. You might want to read the whole thing.

It seems both sides are getting caught with their hands in the Russian cookie jar.

Matt

From: TSI
30-Oct-17
Dems are under investigation as well Podesta!!Betting it’s not a 10-15 yr old unrelated tax issue!

From: TSI
30-Oct-17
Guess they just may drain the swamp after all!

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17
GG,

I had read it. There is NO mention of evidence of any collusion with the Russians on his part.

There is evidence he was a minor player in the campaign and had no access to Trump.

There IS evidence of the DNC and the Clinton campaign colluding with the Russians on the election, however.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
Kyle,

You can cling to that straw if you want too. But, the fact that Papadopoulos admitted to lying about his attempts to coordinate with Russians during the campaign doesn't bode well for their claims of no collusion.

And a short video to lighten the mood:

Matt

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17

From: elkmtngear
30-Oct-17
Papadopoulos was just a volunteer for the campaign

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17
Matt,

"You can cling to that straw if you want too. But, the fact that Papadopoulos admitted to lying about his attempts to coordinate with Russians during the campaign doesn't bode well for their claims of no collusion."

Ooops! That is not what the indictment says. It simply says he lied about his conversations with the Russians, nothing more. It says nothing about any actual collusion.

What's really funny is it mentions the woman who claimed she had connections and power she did not have, that the Russians supposedly had thousands of Hillary's e-mails which could be damaging to Clinton, (Who didn't?), yet it was the Clinton campaign which hired Fusion GPS to dig up dirt on Trump and did so while trying to hide that fact.    

From: Glunt@work
30-Oct-17
If Trump crossed the line, I want him being held accountable. We knew Hillary and crew have committed crimes with email scandal and selling influence, so my wish for anyone at that level answering for their illegal actions is not likely to be granted.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
"Ooops! That is not what the indictment says. It simply says he lied about his conversations with the Russians, nothing more."

Actually, that's exactly what the indictment says. Papadopoulos lied about his conversations *about* coordinating a meeting with the Russian women. Quit being obtuse.

So, we have Trump's ex-campaign chairmen charged with laundering $18M to avoid taxes, and we have a "foriegn advisor" to his campaign plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations with Russians. Doesn't that at least raise an eyebrow about the credibility of Trump's associates?

The swamp may be empty on both sides when Mueller is done, if he's allowed to see this thru. That wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Matt

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Some here are just not seeing the big picture. This is not a gop/dem thing. This is an American thing. Our democracy was attacked and wether it was dems or the president, I want mueller to indict and arrest anyone and everyone involved. Right now it’s lookig like trumps campaign people were working with Russians to assist trump. That’s the empirical evidence found in the indictment. The words in Papadopolous indictment line 21, subset A, is as such : “ On or about June 19, 2016 after several emails with the subject line new message from Russia I am willing to make the trip off the record if it is in the interest of Mr. Trump and the campaign to meet specific people in Moscow” How is this not collision on behalf of trump?

From: Bentstick81
30-Oct-17
Well atheist. You are so sure of yourself, are you ready to take me up on my offer??? Still waiting for your lie, i mean answer. As you say, DRIP,DRIP,DRIP. 8^))))

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
“GetBent”: Hey atheist will you indulge me in a stupid challenge with an Internet stranger? ME: grow up And do your best to conduct yourself like a normal human being.

From: TSI
30-Oct-17
Collusion isn’t a crime!

From: TSI
30-Oct-17
It’s Abe Froman the sausage king of Chicago??(Ferris Beulers day off)

From: Bentstick81
30-Oct-17
It's a simple question, moron. You come on and stir the $hit, and then run off and hide, for a couple of days. You want to continue your bull$hit lies, and i am calling you out on them. The problem you have, is you don't have the facts, or the balls to back up your $hit you throw on here. So once again, LIAR, Want to accept my offer, moron???? Simple question. I just want to see what a LIAR says, when you peg their a$$. 8^)))

From: Bentstick81
30-Oct-17
Oh atheist. So you don't try and divert my question, it was to you. 8^)))

From: TSI
30-Oct-17
Collusion is legal?lying under oath is illegal!Athiest there’s no proof of any actual legal collusion only lying about requesting information!No evidence any meetings ever took place.No crime to dig up dirt regardless of sources.It is illegal to pay foreign persons to create fake dossiers.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
"Collusion isn’t a crime!"

That's true, it's a catch all phrase describing a number of crimes, including conspiring with foreign nationals to influence an election, or computer and wire fraud, or contributions and donations from foreign nationals, even treason, among other things.

Semantics are important, but the media doesn't seem to think so. In this case "collusion" has become synonymous to a wide assortment of crimes that may apply.

Matt

From: bad karma
30-Oct-17
The indictment of Manafort and Papodopolous means something about those two, and nothing more. Even if Papadopolous tried to arrange meetings with folks and Russians, if the meetings never took place, or were rejected, there's no crime for the others.

They also mean nothing about the credibility of any of Trump's other advisors. If you'll recall, Manafort was fired after about 2 months and replaced with Kelli Anne Conway, which turned out to be a very good move.

You can't just take a leap of faith with criminal indictments.

From: K Cummings
30-Oct-17
"You can't just take a leap of faith with criminal indictments. "

Unless of course you have a specific agenda to push.

Then if Mueller uncovered a bricklayer on one of Trump's building sites with a DUI from 36 years ago, that would surely point to the credibility of all Trump's hires.

:)

KPC

From: sleepyhunter
30-Oct-17
Lot of leftist people here showing some serious un-American attitudes. I would say Putin is having a good laugh at the USA today. He sees a divided Nation/enemy that would be easy to conquer, that includes Dems as well. I hope our left winger's here have thought about that. Putin has already stated he doesn't care who is President. He's preying on the emotions of the left and it's working like a charm.

From: JTV
30-Oct-17
There is CLEAR evidence with Clinton and Fusion GPS and the involvement there., some 9-12 million dollars worth of evidence......there is NOTHING with the Trump and Russia collusion... the clear evidence is against Clinton, and the Podesta group ... every thing that Happened with Manafort was BEFORE he was involved with Trump/campaign and Trump even fired him ... like I said 'Theist, keep hoping in one hand, and crap in the other and see what you end up with ... and we all know you are full of crap ...

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
I'm reading lying to the FBI is a felony with a potential sentence of 5 years.

Who knows what deal Papodopolous struck for that guilty plea, but I'm betting the FBI has more on him, and/or Papodopolous is being used to get to bigger fish.

Matt

From: BowSniper
30-Oct-17
It reads that Popadaupolis (sp?) was in contact with a professor who had connections in Moscow and "attempted" to setup meetings with "trump campaign officials". This Popadaupolis was a volunteer guy on the fringe advisory level, who Sanders said was at one campaign meeting?? And he was trying to arrange some thing with Trump campaign staff. Not even Trump. And none of his attempts to arrange meetings was accepted?? An attempt by some fringe outsider that never went anywhere further. Doesn't sound like much at this point. Sounds like Manafort did some serious dirty money tax evasion stuff, and he should do time. Also not connected to Trump.

From: Gray Ghost
30-Oct-17
I'm no lawyer, but I doubt Papodopolous would plead guilty to a possible 5 year sentence unless he was actually guilty of larger crimes. This is where our legal system becomes frustrating for me. The final charges and sentences are rarely for the actual crime that was committed.

Plea bargains have bastardized our system.

Matt

From: BowSniper
30-Oct-17
Just imagine if Popadaupolis was paid $9 million dollars from the Clinton campaign and DNC committee, to hire a British spy who spread that money among actual Russian agents to assemble a collection of fake stories about a candidate to swing the election. And that dossier of fake stories was shared with the sitting President who was also working to help Clinton get elected, so he gave the fake dossier to his justice department as if legitimate. And they then pulled a FISA warrant based on the fake dossier assembled by foreign agents, to conduct illegal wire taps on her political opponent. Same same???

From: Sixby
30-Oct-17
All any of this shows is that taxpayer money is being wasted by Democrats in order to attempt to overturn our election of Trump.

God bless, Steve

From: JTV
30-Oct-17
and yet the real crooks walk around free (for now).... Clinton and their Crime Cartel, Obama and his "crooks" ...

From: NvaGvUp
30-Oct-17
FYI,

Opposition research isn't a crime either.

From: Fulldraw1972
30-Oct-17
GG I don’t know much about how the feds handle stuff. However on a state level lots of plea bargains for a reduced sentence every day. That could be why he plead guilty. He knew they had him so instead of taking his chances with what the judge dished out he took the plea bargain from the prosecutor.

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Boy have things turned. A few months ago it was “ no one from the campaign had anything to do anything w Russia”. Now it’s “so what?!” America was and is under attack from foreign adversaries. Trump may or may not have participated. Clinton may or may not have participated. Mueller has to slam the lid on all of them!

From: Atheist
30-Oct-17
Boy have things turned. A few months ago it was “ no one from the campaign had anything to do anything w Russia”. Now it’s “so what?!” America was and is under attack from foreign adversaries. Trump may or may not have participated. Clinton may or may not have participated. Mueller has to slam the lid on all of them!

From: elkmtngear
30-Oct-17
"Mueller has to slam the lid on all of them"!

Mueller needs to recuse himself in regards to DNC/ HRC, and let someone with less political motivation handle things, since he was a former FBI Director who worked closely with Comey, when the Fake Dossier was recognized by the Feds, but used as a tool to wiretap Trump and Associates.

From: TD
30-Oct-17
Right..... By the same token Bernie Sanders should be arrested because one of his supporters/volunteers going by Atheist Houseboat Capt. PaulZ is a serial lying bastard....... good grief the stupid is strong with this one.......

From: JTV
30-Oct-17

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From: JTV
30-Oct-17
Here 'Theist, read this by Gregg Jarrett ..... another great write up by him .. and why you and your libs are standing around with crap in your one hand and hoping in the other ...

Over the weekend, the mainstream media was absolutely giddy with delight upon learning there would be an indictment by special counsel, Robert Mueller.

This was proof positive, they insisted, that Trump “colluded” with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election. Their exuberance was the equivalent of a two day-long tailgate party. Too bad it was premature.

Manafort & Gates

The celebration came to a crashing end when the indictments of Paul Manafort and his business associate, Rick Gates, were unsealed Monday morning. It turns out the charges are, basically, a tax fraud case. The two men stand accused of hiding their income from their lobbying work for Ukraine in order to avoid paying taxes, then lying about it. That’s it.

The 31-page indictment makes no mention of Trump or Russia or “collusion.” The media seemed as dejected as a kid who wakes up on Christmas morning, only to find there are no presents under the tree. Gee whiz.

The truth is, it should have come as no surprise to anyone, much less the media, that Manafort was in legal jeopardy for his business dealings. The FBI raided his home over the summer. It was later learned that the FBI wiretapped his conversations as far back as 2014. And it was widely reported that Manafort had been told by Mueller’s team that he would be criminally charged.

It could be said that Hillary Clinton is the one who was conspiring with the Russians by breaking campaign finance laws with impunity. The media became even more dispirited when they read through the indictment, discovering that nearly all of Manafort’s alleged wrongdoing substantially pre-dates his brief stint as chairman of the Trump campaign. In other words, there is no connection to either Trump or his campaign.

Somewhere, I’m sure, ABC’s Martha Raddatz and CNN’s Van Jones were crying. Again. Just like the tears they shed on camera election night when Hillary lost.

Papadopoulos

But wait. Shortly after the indictments were unsealed, the media’s spirits were suddenly boosted when the special counsel revealed that a former adviser to Trump pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with a Russian national during his time on the Trump campaign. Surely this was evidence of illegal “collusion,” right?

Wrong. George Papadopoulos pled guilty to a single charge of making a false statement to the FBI. He was not charged with so-called “collusion” because no such crime exists in American statutory law, except in anti-trust matters. It has no application to elections and political campaigns.

It is not a crime to talk to a Russian. Or, in Papadopoulos’s case, attempting to talk with a Russian through an intermediary. Not that the media would ever understand that. They have never managed to point to a single statute that makes “colluding” with a foreign government in a political campaign a crime, likely because it does not exist in the criminal codes.

To put it plainly, Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law. It is a legal impossibility. He is being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable. But that did not stop them from accusing Donald Trump, Jr., of illegally conspiring with the Russians when he met with a Russian lawyer to obtain information on Hillary Clinton. What law did he break? None. The Federal Election Commission has made it clear that it is perfectly lawful for foreign nationals to be involved in campaigns, as long as they are not paid and do not donate money. Which brings us to Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton

It is against the law for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to funnel millions of dollars to a British spy and to Russian sources in order to obtain the infamous and discredited Trump “dossier.” The Federal Election Campaign Act (52 USC 30101) prohibits foreign nationals and governments from giving or receiving money in U.S. campaigns. It also prohibits the filing of false or misleading campaign reports to hide the true purpose of the money (52 USC 30121). This is what Clinton and the DNC appear to have done.

Most often the penalty for violating this law is a fine, but in egregious cases, like this one, criminal prosecutions have been sought and convictions obtained. In this sense, it could be said that Hillary Clinton is the one who was conspiring with the Russians by breaking campaign finance laws with impunity.

But that’s not all. Damning new evidence appears to show that Clinton used her office as Secretary of State to confer benefits to Russia in exchange for millions of dollars in donations to her foundation and cash to her husband. Secret recordings, intercepted emails, financial records, and eyewitness accounts allegedly show that Russian nuclear officials enriched the Clintons at the very time Hillary presided over a governing body which unanimously approved the sale of one-fifth of America’s uranium supply to Russia.

If this proves to be a corrupt “pay-to-play” scheme, it would constitute a myriad of crimes, including bribery (18 USC 201-b), mail fraud (18 USC 1341), and wire fraud (18 USC 1343). It might also qualify for racketeering charges (18 USC 1961-1968), if her foundation is determined to have been used as a criminal enterprise.

Despite all the incriminating evidence, Clinton has managed to avoid being pursued by a special counsel. Trump, on the other hand, is being chased by Robert Mueller and his team, notwithstanding a dearth of evidence.

Robert Mueller

The indictments of Manafort and Gates now present a unique opportunity to challenge the authority of the special counsel.

Until now, no one had legal “standing” to argue in court that the appointment of Mueller was illegal. The criminal charges change all that. The two defendants will be able to argue before a judge that Mueller’s appointment by Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein violated the special counsel law.

As I pointed out in a column last May, the law (28 CFR 600) grants legal authority to appoint a special counsel to investigate crimes. Only crimes. He has limited jurisdiction. Yet, in his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Rosenstein directed him to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.” It fails to identify any specific crimes, likely because none are applicable.

To put it plainly, Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law. It is a legal impossibility. He is being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable.

If the federal judge agrees, Mueller and his team would be disbanded by judicial order. The Department of Justice would have to seek a new indictment of Manafort and Gates without the special counsel or drop the case entirely.

The naming of Robert Mueller was tainted with disqualifying conflicts of interest from the beginning. Fired FBI Director James Comey admitted he leaked presidential memos to the media for the sole purpose of triggering the appointment of a special counsel who just happens to be Comey’s longtime friend, ally and partner.

It is no coincidence that Rosenstein appointed Mueller. We now know both men were overseeing the corrupt Uranium One sale which involved Russian bribes, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering. They appear to have kept it secret, even hiding it from Congress which would surely have cancelled the transaction involving a vital national security asset. A cover-up? It has the stench of one.

How can Americans have confidence in the outcome of the Trump-Russia matter if the integrity and impartiality of Mueller and Rosenstein has been compromised by their suspected cover-up of the Clinton-Russia case? Both men should resign.

And a new special counsel should be appointed – this time to investigate Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump.

Gregg Jarrett joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in 2002 and is based in New York. He currently serves as legal analyst and offers commentary across both FNC and FOX Business Network (FBN).

From: Beendare
30-Oct-17
Im glad they caught these guys lying to the FBI and not divulging foreign dealings.

Now lets really blow this thing wide open and investigate the investigators.

Im not optimistic about catching Hillary when a complicit AG and FBI let her erase records and decide what is relevant. A lawyer with full reign- tough to nail.

I dont understand how even the most hardcore Dem can defend the crap Hillary got away with.

From: Solo
30-Oct-17
I sense that Trump is a conduit to help clean out government corruption. A man for just such a time as this.....

Where better to start than in our home field? It's not like some Republicans (or those hiding behind that party logo) haven't been corrupt.

Personally, I'd rather clean up my own backyard (at a cost) before pointing my finger at someone else's mess. Then I won't be so tempted to harshly accuse others of their issues.....

Just sayin'.......

From: Annony Mouse
30-Oct-17

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Over enthusiastic investigations in an attempt to damage the Trump administration may lead to unintended consequences...

FBI RELIANCE ON DISCREDITED FUSION GPS “RUSSIA DOSSIER” THREATENS MANAFORT PROSECUTION

FBI illegally obtained FISA wiretapping of Manafort based on dossier

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Special Counselor Robert Mueller’s case is in danger of being thrown out of court when the FBI is forced to admit FISA court authority to conduct electronic surveillance on former Trump campaign Paul Manafort was based on the fraudulent Fusion GPS “Russia dossier” that the FBI, the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic National Committee paid to be produced.

On Sept. 19, 2017, CNN reported that U.S. investigators conducted electronic surveillance on Manafort both before and after the election under a FISA court warrant.

The CNN article cites only unnamed sources, strongly suggesting the leak was based on an illegal leak to the press that could end up being traced back to the FBI, to Mueller’s Special Counselor office, or to both.

Under the “fruit of the poison tree doctrine” established by the Supreme Court in Fourth Amendment illegal search and seizure cases, the FBI and/or Mueller may have compromised their entire investigation of Paul Manafort by either using the fraudulent “Russia dossier” paid for in part by the FBI, or by illegally leaking information derived from the FISA-authorized electronic surveillance to CNN and other mainstream media publications known to be partisan “Never Trump” mouthpieces.

CNN reported the secret FISA warrant was obtained after Manafort became the subject of the FBI investigation that began as early as 2014 under then FBI Director James Comey, and centered upon work Manafort conducted consulting with Ukraine.

“Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive,” CNN reported.

“Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, which is leading the investigation into Russia’s involvement in the election, has been provided details of these communications,” the CNN report stressed.

From: JTV
30-Oct-17
wouldnt that be rich... the charges tossed on Manafort because the Obama administration's FBI (Comey) used the fraudulent "dossier" to get there ...lol... same goes for Muellers whole witch hunt, and any thing based off that "dossier" ....

From: Fulldraw1972
30-Oct-17
I can’t help but wonder if Podesta is next. I sure hope so. Drain that swamp I say.

From: Shuteye
30-Oct-17
I want to see Uranium One investigated. Mueller can't do it since he was in it up to his neck. I think that is the next big shoe to fall.

From: Sixby
30-Oct-17
Mueller's charges are based on what is called Poison Fruit. Anything stemming on the illegally obtained document is terminally polluted and cannot be brought to trial.

God bless, Steve

From: Coyote 65
31-Oct-17
So basically another nothing burger.

Terry

From: Atheist
31-Oct-17

From: elkmtngear
31-Oct-17
Back to reality:

From: sleepyhunter
31-Oct-17
Don't get your hopes up Atheist. Not going to happen.

From: slade
31-Oct-17
Kevin Downing speaking to the press Monday outside of court. He pointed out how rare it is for the U.S. government to prosecute based on failure to register as a foreign agent.

Manafort’s lawyer said Monday to the press, “Today you see an indictment brought by a Special Counsel that is using a very novel theory to prosecute Mr. Manafort regarding a FARA filing. The United States government has only used that offense 6 times since 1966 that resulted in one conviction.”

From: slade
31-Oct-17
Podesta Group Retroactively Filed DOJ Disclosures in August-Same Forms Manafort Arrested for Today… WHO TIPPED THEM OFF?

Now today Manafort was arrested for not filing the same forms the Podestas just filed in August.

Also, it was already reported in August that Manafort had not filed these forms.

From: BowSniper
02-Nov-17
When do you think Mueller will look towards Russia and the path leadong right through the DNC, the Clinton Global Initiative, and Hillary at the state department?? After Manafort/Gates/Papadaupolis in an attempt to look unbiased.... or never, because he is establishment and deep state himself?? Thoughts?

From: Gray Ghost
02-Nov-17

Gray Ghost's Link
According to Paul Ryan, "Special counsel Mueller 'anything but' a biased partisan."

Matt

From: elkmtngear
02-Nov-17
This is how it works. Find a target that is connected to the campaign, get dirt on them, charge them with crimes unrelated to the primary investigation, then, start squeezing them for information in exchange for a lesser sentence. Rinse, repeat, until you find something connected to the "Big Fish".

This isn't the first time Mueller has gone that route. Problem is, still not one shred of evidence of collusion. Going to hard to fabricate something like that.

From: BowSniper
02-Nov-17
Ken Starr was on the radio this morning, also expressing total faith IN Mueller

From: bad karma
02-Nov-17
We don't know what they've uncovered so far, so I'll avoid guessing.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal doctrine used when law enforcement is the bad actor. That other people in the DNC did something illicit, like essentially money laundering the payments to Fusion GPS, does not trigger that doctrine, or the possible remedy of dismissal of the charges. It's more like the scene in Dirty Harry where he stomped on the leg of the suspect, when the suspect asked for his lawyer, to get a confession as to where the victim was. Someone will have to explain to me why when the suspect are committing crimes, the evidence can't be used because that's not how I remember it.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Nov-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: HA/KS
06-Nov-17
Great link, mouse

From: JTV
07-Nov-17
In reference to the link/article from the American Thinker that 'mouse provided ... that is the bitch slap heard around the world... POINT ON !! ... some wonderfully great facts and truths in there ...

From: Annony Mouse
07-Nov-17

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Real obstruction of justice...

From: NvaGvUp
07-Nov-17
Hillary Clinton,

"Grossly negligent."

"Grossly unlikeable."

"Grossly narcissistic."

"Grossly dishonest."

"Grossly stupid."

"What Happened?"

Did I miss anything?

From: bad karma
07-Nov-17
"Grossly corrupt."

From: HA/KS
07-Nov-17
Just plain Gross IMO

From: NvaGvUp
07-Nov-17
Kevin,

Yeah, there's that as well!

From: bad karma
07-Nov-17
And my happiest one of all "Grossly unemployed!"

From: NvaGvUp
07-Nov-17
Kevin,

For sure!

As in "wonderfully grossly not the POTUS!"

"What Happened?" LOL!

From: Annony Mouse
09-Nov-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: HA/KS
09-Nov-17
Great link, Mouse. Sad that the average American seems not worried that the clinton/obama crime cartel still intend to take over America regardless of the will of the people or the constitution.

From: Annony Mouse
12-Nov-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: Annony Mouse
12-Nov-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: NvaGvUp
12-Nov-17
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

From: JTV
12-Nov-17
What, the truth is finally coming out ?... oh my, this will break the heart of LHM and his fellow butt hurt libs/#neverTrumpers ....

From: Bentstick81
12-Nov-17
atheist????

From: Bentstick81
13-Nov-17
atheist??? WOW. Now you are even tucking your tail, and running off to hide from YOUR OWN thread. Only people that come on here to stir the $hit, reacts like you. 8^)))

From: Annony Mouse
13-Nov-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: Thumper
14-Nov-17
atheist????

What's taking your guys so long to bring down Trump, you said it was Mueller time?

What's the heck going on, are you full of bs or what?

From: Annony Mouse
28-Nov-17

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The time When Mueller purged The FBI’s Counter-Terrorism Training

Conservative Review:Special counsel Robert Mueller’s career is rife with examples of prioritizing politically correct sensitivities over the unfiltered, and sometimes difficult, truth of the matter. And this issue came to the forefront at the beginning of President Obama’s second term in office, when Mueller decided to purge hundreds of counter-terrorism training materials that arguably rendered America less safe in the face of a growing domestic Islamic extremist problem.

While serving as FBI director, Mueller (the current head of the special counsel investigation of the 2016 election) presided over an effort to silence counter-terrorism experts from discussing the threat posed by radical Islamic ideologies. His decision to choose this approach could call into question his judgement while presiding over an incredibly politically toxic debate surrounding the 2016 election.

Instead of providing the tools his agents needed to fight the ideological war against the continuing rise of radical Islam in America, Mueller handicapped his agents because he seemingly prioritized making sure that nobody was offended over keeping America safe.

28-Nov-17
Weak attempt to discredit a highly decorated Marine officer who also happens to love this country so much so that he is attempting to weed out treasonous individuals. Let him do his due diligence and let the cards fall where they may. Even if it means Leavenworth.

From: Annony Mouse
28-Nov-17
Ex-DOJ Prosecutor Exposes Andrew Weissmann: ‘He’s The Poster Boy For Misconduct’…

Andrew Weissmann hid exculpatory evidence and threatened witnesses. He acts like a mobster, and he resides on Mueller’s team. Former DOJ Prosecutor Sidney Powell and Greg Jarrett weigh in.

From: JTV
28-Nov-17

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Mueller is a turd .... a rogue turd ... way outside what he was originally sent to do ....

From: JTV
28-Nov-17
from the LATimes

When he was named special counsel in May, Robert S. Mueller III was hailed as the ideal lawman — deeply experienced, strait-laced and nonpartisan — to investigate whether President Trump’s campaign had helped with Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

The accolades squared with Mueller’s valor as a Marine rifle platoon commander in Vietnam and his integrity as a federal prosecutor, senior Justice Department official and FBI director from 2001 to 2013 — the longest tenure since J. Edgar Hoover’s. He was praised by former courtroom allies and opponents, and by Democrats and Republicans in Congress.

But at 73, Mueller has a record that shows a man of fallible judgment who can be slow to alter his chosen course. At times, he has intimidated or provoked resentment among subordinates. And his tenacious yet linear approach to evaluating evidence led him to fumble the biggest U.S. terrorism investigation since 9/11.

Now, as he leads a sprawling investigation aimed at the White House, Mueller’s prosecutorial discretion looms over the Trump presidency.

On what terms would Mueller offer immunity from prosecution to investigative targets? How broadly will he interpret his mandate to look into not only the 2016 campaign but also matters that “may arise directly from the investigation”?

Will he target Trump’s sprawling family business and financial empire and the years before the developer ran for the White House?

::

Robert Swan Mueller III began life on an elite footing.

Raised in affluent suburbs west of Philadelphia, he attended St. Paul’s School in New Hampshire (classmates included future Secretary of State John F. Kerry) before majoring in politics at Princeton. He joined the Marines after graduation and was awarded Navy and Marine Corps medals for his service in Vietnam, where he was shot in the thigh. He graduated from the University of Virginia School of Law in 1973.

Bored by a stint at a white-shoe San Francisco law firm, the jut-jawed Mueller switched to the U.S. attorney’s office there in 1976. Colleagues say he typically arrived by 6:30 a.m., at times in his Marine-issue green raincoat. He played on the office softball team but was careful not to let down his guard while socializing.

“He’d join us, have one — and it was only one — and then his wife would arrive to pick him up,” recalled a colleague.

Editor's Note

This article is based, in part, on interviews with more than two dozen lawyers and investigators who have worked with Mueller. Citing the sensitivity of the Russia investigation and potential repercussions, most spoke on the condition of anonymity. Mueller declined, through a spokesman, to comment.

Mueller also is remembered for a headline-grabbing case that ended in failure.

In 1979, the government lodged then-novel racketeering charges against 33 members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. The indictments alleged bombings and murders as well as the manufacture and sale of illegal drugs. The defendants and their supporters were so feared that bulletproof glass was installed in court to shield the judge.

The first trial, of 18 defendants, ended with only five convictions. All were overturned on appeal.

Mueller, who led the U.S. attorney’s special prosecutions unit, then took over the case. He dropped many of the charges, including those against Ralph “Sonny” Barger, leader of the club’s Oakland chapter, whose charismatic testimony had dominated the first trial.

Mueller led a team of four prosecutors in court when the second trial, with 11 defendants, began in October 1980. But after four months, the jury said it was deadlocked, and the judge declared a mistrial. Mueller decided not to ask for a retrial.

Richard B. Mazer, a defense lawyer at both trials, said the government was unable to prove the Hells Angels was a racketeering enterprise. Key prosecution witnesses, he said, seemed unreliable — especially those granted immunity to testify despite having committed violent crimes themselves.

“They made a mess of it,” Mazer recalled. “It was an entirely snitch case. It depended entirely on the quality of snitches.”

But Mazer and Alan Caplan, another defense lawyer, praised Mueller’s straightforward handling of the case. “We fought hard, but I can’t conceivably say anything negative about him,” Caplan said.

About a year after the case collapsed, a new U.S. attorney in San Francisco chose a prosecutor with more trial experience to head the office’s criminal division, a post that Mueller had held for a year.

He doesn’t invite disagreement. He’s an order-giver. — A former prosecutor who served under Robert Mueller Mueller responded by transferring to the U.S. attorney’s office in Boston. He prosecuted financial fraud, terrorism and public corruption cases for six years, and served as acting U.S. attorney from 1986 to 1987.

One case — involving a Soviet-bloc spy — gave Mueller an early window into U.S.-Russia intrigues.

At the direction of the Justice Department’s internal security division, Mueller negotiated a plea agreement with an East German physicist named Alfred Zehe. In February 1985, Zehe admitted in court that he had conspired to deliver U.S. defense information to East German intelligence authorities.

Under the agreement, Zehe was sentenced only to the time he had served in jail after his arrest at a scientific conference in Boston. In turn, he became a bargaining chip for a major spy swap.

“We ultimately got 25 of our people out, including their families,” in a trade for Zehe and several other Soviet-bloc spies, recalled a U.S. official involved with the negotiations.

The successful June 1985 exchange helped pave the way, the official said, for a more significant exchange between Washington and Moscow.

In February 1986, officials again faced off for a trade on the so-called Bridge of Spies between East and West Germany. Among those escorted to freedom was Natan Sharansky, the celebrated Russian human rights activist who had served nine years in Soviet prisons.

As the Cold War ended, Mueller moved to “main Justice” in Washington. He easily won his first Senate confirmation after President George H.W. Bush appointed him assistant U.S. attorney general, responsible for the criminal division.

Mueller oversaw investigations of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, and Gambino crime family boss John Gotti, among other high-profile cases. But his tendency to command, rather than inspire, came into sharp relief.

“He doesn’t invite disagreement,” said a former prosecutor who served under Mueller. “He’s an order-giver.”

He could be harsh on subordinates — sparking resentment when he referred privately to reassigning career lawyers as “moving the furniture.”

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In 1993, at age 49, Mueller decided to try private practice again, joining Hale and Dorr as a partner in Washington, representing corporate clients.

The money was better, but Mueller was unfulfilled. After two years, he returned to government service — signing on as a homicide prosecutor in the District of Columbia. It was a time of mayhem in the nation’s capital, made worse by the scourge of crack cocaine.

Mueller began working with a cold-case squad of Metropolitan Police detectives and FBI agents that sought to bring murderers to justice.

The squad sent applications for search warrants and subpoenas for Mueller’s review before seeking a judge’s approval. Unlike some prosecutors, Mueller “wouldn’t automatically give a signature,” recalled one of the investigators.

“He would ask, ‘Have you done your work? Do you have your facts?’ … He knew what he was asking was the way to make sure everything stood up” in court.

Building cases often entailed forging trust with victims, witnesses and suspects. Relating to both the sympathetic and the unsavory did not play to Mueller’s strengths.

“He was a gruff guy, and a lot of times, there wasn’t much warmth or ability to really build a bond or connect with a victim-witness,” said the same investigator. “There’s times when you’ve got to bond with the suspect to get what you need. His personality wasn’t necessarily the best for that.”

Nor was Mueller an easy fit with juries in Washington, especially in the freewheeling local Superior Court, where decorum is typically below what judges demand in U.S. District Court.

“In D.C. Superior Court, it’s a bit like meatball surgery. It’s a bit like a M.A.S.H. unit — it’s the unexpected,” said one of Mueller’s former colleagues. “His strength was not as a M.A.S.H. unit trial lawyer.”

Mueller, a Republican, moved back to San Francisco in 1998 after President Clinton appointed him U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California. In July 2001, President George W. Bush nominated him as FBI director, and he won unanimous Senate confirmation. Mueller asked the White House for a delay, however, so he could undergo treatment for prostate cancer.

His first day on the job was Sept. 4, 2001 — a week before hijacked airliners slammed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania in the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history.

At 7 a.m. on Sept. 12, Mueller, then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft and other officials arrived for an emergency briefing at the FBI’s operations center. The senior agent had been given an hour to prepare while investigators were still combing airline manifests and scouring crash sites.

When Mueller asked a rapid-fire series of questions, the agent replied that accurate information was not yet “established.”

“‘I want answers, goddamn it!’” Mueller exploded, an official who was present recalled.

Mueller already was coming under siege from critics who questioned why the FBI had not prevented the attacks. Fear spread of a “second wave” terrorist strike.

Robert Mueller President George W. Bush waves on July 5, 2001 after announcing Robert Mueller as his choice for FBI director. On the right stands then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft. (Emilie Sommer / AFP) Mueller countered by announcing plans to reshape the FBI. Its first priority would be to prevent another terrorist attack — not conventional law enforcement.

The vastness of the FBI’s challenge emerged within weeks.

A handful of letters laced with powdered anthrax killed five people and sickened 17 others. The government closed congressional office buildings, the Supreme Court and postal facilities as the country braced for further biological terrorism.

But Mueller’s FBI struggled for nearly seven years to determine who was responsible — even as he personally managed the case.

“The director was always the leader of the anthrax investigation, period,” said Michael Mason, former head of the FBI’s Washington field office.

The FBI focused on Steven J. Hatfill, a virologist at the Army’s laboratories at Ft. Detrick, Md. In January 2003, Mueller assured congressional leaders in a closed-door briefing that bloodhounds had traced anthrax from the attacks to Hatfill.

But Hatfill had no experience handling anthrax. Nor did he have access to anthrax stored at Ft. Detrick or elsewhere. Years later, the FBI would reject the bloodhound evidence as unreliable.

After media leaks fingered Hatfill, he sued the FBI and the Justice Department on privacy grounds. In June 2008, the government agreed to pay Hatfill about $5.8 million.

Two months later, on Aug. 6, Mueller summoned senior investigators and prosecutors on the anthrax case to his seventh-floor office. The FBI would hold a news conference that afternoon, and he wanted to recap the case’s stunning denouement.

Bruce E. Ivins, an Army microbiologist at Ft. Detrick who specialized in handling anthrax, had committed suicide after his lawyers informed him he was about to be charged with murder for the letter attacks.

Evidence showed Ivins had created and held custody of a batch of anthrax traced by DNA to each of the killings. He had spent hours alone in specially equipped labs just before each batch of letters was mailed.

Mueller let others hold the news conference. Some aides who met Mueller that day think he was reluctant to publicly address the missteps with Hatfill, the bloodhounds and the long delay in focusing on Ivins.

“I think he was personally embarrassed,” said one. “I would assess him as someone that can’t accept the fact that he screwed up.”

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At FBI headquarters, protecting the director from embarrassment was ingrained.

A case in point unfolded in 2011 — just as the Senate was considering President Obama’s request to extend Mueller’s expiring term as FBI director by two years.

The FBI’s Inspection Division, a unit that scrutinizes bureau operations, conducted a three-week examination of the Directorate of Intelligence, a unit that Mueller had created to carry out the shift in preventing terrorism.

“They inspected it and they wrote the inspection report, and it said the whole thing’s broken — set it on fire and start from scratch,” said a former official familiar with the report. Another ex-official confirmed the account.

Mueller’s top aides saw peril in following normal procedure — forwarding the report to the Justice Department’s inspector general for possible follow-up action.

“It was, ‘The director will get skewered. We’ve got to protect him, and we can’t issue this,’” the former official recalled.

The aides kept the report in-house, the former official said, by tweaking its language.

“Anywhere it said ‘inspection,’ they changed it to ‘review.’ And said this was a review, not an inspection, and therefore they didn’t have to issue it to … the inspector general.”

Two years later, Mueller — without citing the inspection — informed Congress that he had restructured the Directorate of Intelligence “to maximize organizational collaboration, identify and address emerging threats and more effectively integrate intelligence and operations within the FBI.”

Trump’s name or brand is not going to back down Mueller. — A former FBI colleague of Robert Mueller During his final months as FBI director, Mueller was again enlisted to help with a thorny matter in U.S.-Russia relations.

In the summer of 2013, the White House asked Mueller to negotiate the release from Russia of Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who stole volumes of classified material on U.S. surveillance operations at home and abroad. Snowden had fled to Moscow after leaking the data to journalists.

Unlike the Cold War spy cases, the U.S. did not offer a trade. The Obama administration wanted Moscow to return Snowden as part of a diplomatic “reset,” an ultimately unsuccessful effort to improve relations with Russia.

Lisa Monaco, the White House’s Homeland Security advisor, tasked Mueller to talk to Alexander Bortnikov, head of Russia’s internal security and counter-intelligence service, the FSB.

For at least a week, Mueller called Bortnikov’s office, starting at 3 a.m. in Washington. Each time, the FBI director was turned aside without getting Bortnikov on the line.

“Mueller just kept calling over there, like begging to talk to the guy,” said a former official. Instead, Snowden was granted asylum in Russia.

The unsuccessful outreach offered Mueller insight into Russian intelligence, which U.S. officials say helped hack and leak Democratic Party emails last year in an effort to undermine U.S. democracy and to help Trump’s campaign.

Investigators and lawyers who have worked with Mueller say that his legacy as special counsel will depend, ultimately, on his resolve, his integrity and especially his judgment.

“If he believes somebody has committed a crime, he’s going to do whatever he can to hold them accountable,” said a former FBI colleague. “Trump’s name or brand is not going to back down Mueller.”

From: Atheist
29-Nov-17
Sounds like a stand up guy! Decorated Marine, hard worker with actual principles and a work ethic that knows no bounds. If he can’t get to the bottom of this, no one can. He will drain the swamp unlike trump.

29-Nov-17
Hahahhaaaaaa!

Mueller is a swamp creature of the 15 foot long, 1200 pound variety! He has been feeding in that swamp for 50 years!

From: JTV
29-Nov-17
'theist you have no idea what a stand up guy is... not with ALL YOUR LIES, and FALSE REGISTRATIONS... your a puke, as much as Mueller is.... Mueller can not be trusted, not with his involvement in Uranium One...

From: Bentstick81
29-Nov-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD.

From: Annony Mouse
02-Dec-17

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From: Annony Mouse
02-Dec-17

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From the Good for the Goose, Good for the Gander Dept. ;o)

Mueller Investigation: Politics, Not Law Enforcement or Counterintelligence

Here’s what I’d be tempted to do if I were President Trump: I’d direct the Justice Department to appoint a special counsel to investigate Iran’s efforts to acquire nuclear weapons, including any Obama-administration collusion in that enterprise.

I would make sure to call it a “counterintelligence investigation,” putting no limitations on the special counsel — just as with the investigation that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has been unleashed to conduct into Trump “collusion” with Russia. That is, I would not restrict the prosecutor and investigators to digging for specified criminal violations. Or, indeed, any criminal violations. I’d just tell the special counsel, “Have at it” — with unbound authority to scrutinize the negotiations surrounding the eventual Iran nuclear deal (the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action).

Would I really expect the special counsel to find that Obama officials conspired with the mullahs to obtain nukes for Tehran? No . . . but hey, as the “Trump collusion with Russia” crowd says, “You never know.” Meantime, under the guise of investigating this highly unlikely “collusion,” I’d want the special counsel to scrutinize closely any variances between what Obama-administration officials were telling Congress and the public about the negotiations and what they were telling the Iranians; to probe any side deals the administration agreed to but failed to disclose to Congress; and to consider whether any laws or policies were violated in such matters as President Obama’s payment of a cash ransom in exchange for American hostages held by Iran.

Why would I do this? Well, because I disagree with Obama-administration foreign policy, of course. Under the Mueller “collusion” precedent, it is evidently now American practice to criminalize foreign-policy disputes under the pretext of conducting a counterintelligence investigation.

It is difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the guilty plea that Mueller just pried out of Michael Flynn... (continued at link)

From: Annony Mouse
03-Dec-17

Annony Mouse's Link
Mueller...a very expensive nothin' burger.

06-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
"Another One! Mueller Deputy Was Personal Attorney of Ben Rhodes, Represented Clinton Foundation"

From: Annony Mouse
06-Dec-17
REPORT: FBI Inspector General Pursuing 27 Leakers, with Major Shakeup on the Way

When I was a kid, the term Federal Bureau of Investigation represented the pinnacle of the American justice system: incorruptible, utterly fair, and ethically... above reproach.

My, how times have changed.

Under the Obama administration, the FBI (and former director Robert Mueller's investigation) appears to have been hopelessly politicized at its uppermost levels. Consider:

A lead FBI investigator -- Peter Strzok -- has been removed from Robert Mueller's special counsel team for texting his mistress a series of various anti-Trump tweets (I'm old enough to remember when having a mistress disqualified you from a TOP SECRET clearance, but -- hey -- I'm an old man). Furthermore, the upper echelons of the FBI have refused requests from Congress to release said texts.

As for Hillary Clinton's illegal email server, the same investigator -- the mercurial mega-scapegoat super-agent is said to have rewritten language to exonerate Clinton rather than criminally charging her.

As for the Mueller "special" impeachment counsel, at least three of the key investigators donated a total of more than $50,000 to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats.

Gee. No conflict there, I guess.

One of Mueller's top investigators, a partisan hack named Andrew Weissmann, actually congratulated then-acting Attorney General Sally Yates for refusing to enforce the President's Travel Ban Executive Order. Because I guess the FBI can overrule the Executive Branch's Chief Executive Officer.

And they say comedy is dead.

Another Mueller "investigator" -- one Jeannie Rhea, if that is her real name -- "was the personal attorney of Ben Rhodes and also represented the Clinton Foundation".

Gee, I'm sure she'll be unbiased.

Fortunately, help may be in the way in the form of an Inspector General. One can dream, can't one?

...Before December, we're going to see other parts of his report coming out after January. And they are looking at Peter Strzok, they are looking at Comey. They are looking at 27 leakers. It would not surprise me if there is a shake-up at the FBI and house cleaning...

...I think that one thing that we are lucky with here is that the layers of this onion have been peeling back. And we have been able to get information slowly but we have been able to get information that is exposing it for what it is. And I think that is the most important thing right now.

As Gregg Jarrett noted, "...[It] is astonishing is that one man with a political agenda exonerated Hillary Clinton and then simultaneously launched the investigation against President Trump."

Astonishing, but not unexpected given the unparalleled corruption and criminality of the most scandalous president in American history* -- one Barack Hussein Soetero Dunham Obama (which is the legal name he prefers, I hear).

From: Atheist
06-Dec-17
What’s astonishing is at today’s Senate hearing, Trump Jr citing atty/client privilidge when neither he nor his father are attorneys. What’s he got to hide?

From: JTV
06-Dec-17
at least he dosnt hide the many false registrations and fake names like your do dweeb ...

From: Atheist
06-Dec-17
I’ve got a feeling Kushner and Trump Jr are next on that indictment list.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Dec-17

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From: Annony Mouse
06-Dec-17
From: Bentstick81
07-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD.

From: Annony Mouse
07-Dec-17
From: JTV
07-Dec-17

JTV's Link
Muellers time my be coming to an end as more and more revelations come to light .... the guy is dirty as all get out and his "team" is nothing but a Clinton cheering squad ... ^^^ link

From: Bentstick81
07-Dec-17
I remember getting scalped for saying that Mueller was dishonest, and a joke, the day he was appointed. I can't believe that someone could think he was a honest. I remember a few on here calling him HONORABLE. Mueller is about as PHONY as atheist. Both are dishonest, as can be.

From: freeglee
07-Dec-17
Right On Atheist!!!!

KEEP THE PRESSURE ON IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!!!!!!!

From: slade
07-Dec-17

slade's Link
Mueller investigation looking more and more like The Revenge of James Comey

From: slade
07-Dec-17

From: slade
07-Dec-17
Judge Who Presided Over Michael Flynn’s Case and Resigned Today — IS OBAMA APPOINTEE WHO ALSO SITS ON FISA COURT!

From: Woods Walker
08-Dec-17

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

From: Woods Walker
08-Dec-17

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Another ghost pic! Not mine......I don't even own a trail cam! Try this one........

From: JTV
08-Dec-17
The swamp is deep... this is worse than the IRS targeting conservative groups, way worse .... the FBI nor the DOJ (weaponized politically) should never be used as they were during the OBAMA regime as a tool to try and take out an opposing candidate, nor after his election ... this stinks to high heaven and the truth is slowly coming out just how dastardly these people are ....

From: Michael
08-Dec-17

Michael's Link
Sooner or later this charade has to end.

08-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Meuller's track record catching up to him.

08-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Maybe Mueller time is DEAD!

From: Annony Mouse
08-Dec-17

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From: Annony Mouse
08-Dec-17
From: Annony Mouse
09-Dec-17

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From: Annony Mouse
09-Dec-17

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Draining the swamp...one leak at a time ;o)

From: Lucas
09-Dec-17
Last link is a good read

From: JTV
09-Dec-17
A good read yes, but some on here will call it fake news because it is from Brietbart .... two supposed 'critical thinkers" in particular ....

From: Annony Mouse
11-Dec-17
The New FBI Agency Everyone Forgot – Did Adam Schiff Just Get Caught in an Elaborate Counterintelligence Sting?…

Outing the leakers...?

From the article:

"...In this example, we believe it is most likely House Intelligence Committee Minority Chairman Adam Schiff (D) was the recipient of the disinformation, and has now exposed himself as a leaker to an elite, previously undisclosed, investigative unit specifically assembling evidence of corruption and leaking at the highest levels of government..."

From: Annony Mouse
11-Dec-17
From: slade
11-Dec-17
Sorry Mouse, the article referenced InfoWars, the Pontificating Critical Thought Police have deemed it a fake news site which lacks any credibility, interesting read but a real conundrum.

From: Annony Mouse
13-Dec-17

Annony Mouse's Link
No interest by the media?

From: slade
13-Dec-17

slade's Link
former Chief Asst. U.S. Attorney Andrew C. McCarthy explains:

Ugly as Mueller’s investigation may look, it’s on track to clear Trump

From: JTV
13-Dec-17
the FNM/MSM dosnt do investigative reporting any longer... its easier for them just to make things up .... they make their own narrative, screw the truth and facts ..

From: slade
13-Dec-17
""Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson admitted in a court document that his firm hired Nellie Ohr, the wife of demoted DOJ official Bruce Ohr to investigate then-candidate Donald Trump.""

From: TSI
13-Dec-17
It’s always been about unseating Trump!The Russia narrative was a fake made up tactic to discredit Trump as a candidate that snowballed into the so called Russia collusion which ironically is being run by the same operatives that created the fake dossier and failed to stop candidate Trump.Meuler was never interested in collusion!

From: Annony Mouse
13-Dec-17
And Now We Know….

#1) …exactly why the White Hats are selectively preparing the larger U.S. electorate in advance of the 1.2 million documents which will outline the background of the Inspector General’s year-long investigation into the politicization of the FBI and DOJ.

The recent IG releases of information, Agent Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr and Nellie Ohr; to include FBI Agent Peter Strzok’s text messages with FBI Lawyer Lisa Page; are strategically sequenced -and timed- in their public release.

The information drop today, which includes the text messages, reveals the bigger plot:

August 15, 2016, FBI Agent Strzok tells FBI Lawyer Lisa Page:

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office that there’s no way he gets elected – but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

“Andy’s office” would be FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe; and the appearance here is a clear outline to use the Steele Russian Dossier, as the foundation to the FISA warrant, which would be considered “an insurance policy” against candidate Donald Trump winning the presidency.

Yes, that would be a conspiracy; being discussed in Andrew McCabe’s office. A few weeks later (October 2016), the FBI and DOJ did get the FISA warrant they were discussing in August 2016.

( ChuckGrassley ? @ChuckGrassley

FBI owes answers abt "insurance policy" against Trump victory...& if nothing to hide, why would senior FBI leaders use secret phones that "cant be traced" to talk Hillary? DOJ needs to give JudicComm full transparency/cooperation 2 restore public trust. FBI CANT BE POLITICAL

#2) …. And now we know why Andrew McCabe cancelled his scheduled appearance on Capitol Hill yesterday. He didn’t have an “Ohr” problem, he had a larger conspiracy issue that he was likely to be questioned about, and someone tipped him off. After McCabe’s cancellation the IG office distributed the text messages to the full House.

#3) …. And now we know why Nellie Ohr, Fusion GPS contract employee and wife of Associate DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr, began using a HAM radio when the operation against candidate Donald Trump was conceived.

Nellie Ohr was hired by Fusion-GPS to specifically work on the Trump project and coordinate with MI6 Agent Christopher Steele. The Steele Dossier would later become the underlying evidence behind the application for the FISA warrant to wiretap Donald Trump and being electronic surveillance.

#4) ….And now we know, so far, on the FBI side of the conspiracy, the years-long IG investigation has captured FBI Agent Strzok, FBI Attorney Lisa Page, and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

Likely the IG has also captured Bill Priestap, head of FBI counterintelligence and FBI Agent Strzok’s boss. Priestap was the guy who Comey blamed for not informing congressional oversight, and Bill Priestap was also the guy who went to the White House present the information against NatSec Advisor Mike Flynn along with Sally Yates (DOJ).

We do not yet know if the IG has captured enough on FBI Director James Comey.

It would appear, at least so far, that Peter Strzok is willing to fall on his sword and take the blame for steering/manipulating the 2016 FBI investigation of Clinton’s emails; perhaps in an effort to protect James Comey. However, will James Comey get caught in the Russian Conspiracy sting? Too soon to tell.

What is obvious from the last 72 hours is that the Inspector General’s office is selectively, and strategically, letting out information that appears to be preparing the general public for a rather extensive, and troubling, bigger story.

Simultaneously, if we accept the IG investigation is ongoing, these releases would also be part of a strategy, the ending of the sting, to see how each of the participants responds. It is likely all of the identified plotters are being actively monitored to see how they are reacting.

video at link

From: Bentstick81
13-Dec-17
Mueller is there to try and come up with some wild scheme, to try and impeach Trump. That's it. mueller is about as PHONY as the TRIO, that come on here. They try to throw $hit on the wall, like mueller, and hope something sticks. Typical hack.

From: JTV
13-Dec-17
it has been said this is waaay more destructive than what Watergate ever was ... this is government entities (FBI/DOJ) being used against a candidate and being weaponized to conspire against the candidate/POTUS ... heads need to roll... all the way to Obama and Clinton ... there is nothing the local dweebs can say nor do to show this isnt true ... its all there and more is coming ..... the REAL Russia collusion is being shown to be of Clintons/Obamas making .. ..

From: TSI
13-Dec-17
Deep state thrives in a depressed economy !When the people start to become less dependant on government the deep state will always work to suppress the people.people dependant on government are easier to control.

From: Annony Mouse
14-Dec-17

From: slade
14-Dec-17

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Sara Carter:

""Who’s spying on who? FBI’s use of NSA foreign surveillance program needs to be investigated, say whistleblowers “The program can be misused by anyone with access to it,” said an Intelligence official, with knowledge of the program.

A controversial NSA surveillance program used to monitor foreigners was also being used by the FBI as ‘backdoor’ to gain warrantless access to American communications, according to numerous former U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials with knowledge of the program.

The whistleblowers, who recently disclosed the program’s process to Congressional oversight committees, say concern over the warrantless surveillance mounted when it was disclosed earlier this year that Obama officials had accessed and unmasked communications of members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign, allegedly without clear justification.""

From: TSI
14-Dec-17
McCabe s insurance policy was the fake dossier!

From: Annony Mouse
14-Dec-17
QOTD: "I listen to all of the CNN clowns insisting that they're 'trustworthy' and 'reliable'. Also 'unbiased'. And I just have to laugh as I remember the old saying: the more they speak of their honor, the faster we counted our spoons.

Early Drafts of Comey Exoneration Memo Said That Hillary Clinton's Secret Serve Was "Likely" Hacked and Accessed by Hostile Powers; This Was of Course Omitted By the Time Comey Publicly Exonerated Her, Softened to "Possible"

From: Annony Mouse
14-Dec-17
From: Thumper
14-Dec-17
Atheist, your "Mueller Time begins" now has a new meaning. How much time do you think he'll get?

Mueller and others have been caught stacking the jury in their favor. When the Judge in Al Capone's trial found the jury had been compromised the jury was replaced. Swamp is a lot deeper than we thought, well maybe not.

From: JTV
15-Dec-17
here is a very in depth report of what is happening now with the Inspector Generals investigation.... heads are going to roll after this ... this is a earthquake in the making.. this will rock the world of the Dems/libs ... this is a long read, but well worth it .....

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This isn't Judicial Watch or members of Congress doing their own investigations that uncovered the #FusionGPS/FBI/DOJ nexus of corruption.

It's this DOJ Inspector General who's been QUIETLY doing his work in the background since January while EVERYBODY focused on Mueller.

Strzok, Page, the Ohrs, Hillary's campaign funding the Trump dossier thru #FusionGPS & trying to hide it by running the $ through a law firm?

The DOJ IG is the guy who uncovered all of this.

Since nobody even knows who this guy is, allow me to introduce you to the DOJ IG: his name is Michael Horowitz.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E…

When Horowitz announced last January he'd been tasked with investigating the DOJ/FBI for political fixing, it received so little media attention even *I* didn't hear about.

oig.justice.gov/about/meet-ig.…

Literally NOBODY at the time in the media paid any attention at all to this official announcement on January 12th, 2017.

oig.justice.gov/press/2017/201…

Here's what Horowitz and his 450 agents were specifically tasked with investigating, and what they have been pursuing QUIETLY since January:

Now, IG Horowitz and his investigators aren't LIMITED to just that; if during their investigation they discover other improper acts by FBI/DOJ officials they can investigate those improper actions as well.

Note the 1st issue Horowitz was tasked with investigating: that's Comey's decision not to press charges against Hillary Clinton & her aides *despite* the obvious fact the law was broken numerous times relating to classified information.

We now know, thanks to the IG & his special agents investigation into this, that Peter Strzok & others in the FBI *knew* Hillary & her aides, Cheryl Mills & Huma Abedin, repeatedly lied in their interviews about Hillary's illegal email server.

Clinton/Mills/Abedin insisted to the FBI agents that they never intentionally sent class. info over nonsecure lines.

Mills & Abedin compounded their lies by claiming they didn't even KNOW about this private server of Hillary's until after she left the St. Dept.

Strzok & others in the FBI at that time had emails in their possession that demonstrated Hillary/Mills/Abedin were sending emails to each other DISCUSSING the private server.

These emails were written, of course, while Hillary was still the Secretary of State.

So Strzok & other agents in the FBI were very well aware they were being lied to extensively during these interviews.

And they made a deliberate decision to let them skate.

So 1 of the VERY FIRST THINGS Horowitz established in his investigation was that proper procedures were NOT followed in this investigation of the email server.

Agents let powerful Democrats boldly lie to them and get away with it.

But, in the course of investigating why FBI agents including Strzok let Hillary & her aides boldly lie to them & then walk away without any charges, IG Horowitz uncovered SOMETHING ELSE.

Not only were FBI agents - who are supposed to be strictly politically neutral at their jobs - giving Democratic politicians & their staff preferential treatment, Horowitz discovers these same FBI agents & others at the DOJ are engaging in blatant political fixing.

In the course of looking into why FBI agents let people tell blatant lies and walk away, Horowitz discovers these same agents making use of the Trump dossier to get a FISA warrant approved for surveillance of the Trump campaign during the election.

IG Horowitz & his special agents then dig into the Trump dossier and how it was used to bolster the case to the FISA court that top Trump campaign team members needed to be investigated/surveilled as possible foreign agents.

Since by August it was know the Trump dossier was an opposition research product of #FusionGPS, it's being used by FBI agents to get a FISA warrant for surveillance of a political campaign is a huge red flag.

In fact, even earlier than this Senator Charles Grassley had become aware of information in which the FBI actually offered to pay $ to the Trump dossier's author, Christopher Steele, to continue his research into Trump. Grassley demands the FBI explain this.

So now IG Horowitz has to investigate the improper use of a political opposition research product by FBI/DOJ officials. There is no way if this dossier was accurately described as political opposition research that it should've been presented to the FISA court.

And it's while researching the Trump dossier that IG Horowitz discovers it's production was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Which tried to HIDE this funding by running the $ through the law firm of Perkins Coie.

By this point, realize what Horowitz has uncovered so far:

1) FBI agents allowed Hillary & her aides to lie during interviews without ANY consequences

2) FBI agents improperly made use of political opposition research to help launch FISA surveillance of a political campaign

3) Hillary Clinton's campaign illegally tried to hide it's funding of the Trump dossier from the FEC by using a law firm.

Now here's what ELSE Horowitz discovers: FBI/DOJ officials who made use of this dossier knew it was tied to Hillary & that it was oppo research.

Through study of emails, text messages, phone calls and other records, Horowitz builds a case that demonstrates top FBI/DOJ people knew this Trump dossier was tied to the HRC campaign and the only way they could use it in FISA court was to MISREPRESENT IT to the judge.

IF Strzok & other FBI/DOJ people had ACCURATELY presented the dossier to the FISA court, it would have been inadmissible as political propaganda/oppo research.

Instead, they chose to present it as the result of INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY work.

The case Strzok & others were making to the FISA court to get that surveillance warrant was that top Trump people were likely COMPROMISED and working as AGENTS OF A FOREIGN POWER, namely Russia.

And instead of saying "And here's our proof, stuff from a dossier compiled by a former MI6 guy being paid by the HRC campaign thru #Fusion GPS!"

the FBI/DOJ decided to BOLSTER their case for the warrant by misrepresenting where this information came from.

Let me explain here it is a SERIOUS CRIME to misrepresent your evidence to the FISA court to pretend you have probable cause to believe people are acting as foreign agents & they need to be wiretapped & surveilled.

At this point, IG Horowitz and his special agent investigators had to be HORRIFIED by what they had discovered.

Now the question becomes: why were FBI/DOJ officials so DETERMINED to get this FISA surveillance of the Trump campaign?

To the point they would commit the crime of misrepresenting the origin/nature of the Russian info in the Trump dossier to the FISA court?

And the answer is: as an 'insurance policy' in case Trump won the election.

Look at all the Strzok text messages that have been released from the IG's investigation thus far.

Did he think Trump was dirty and just chock full of Russian collusion?

Yes he did.

The reason top FBI/DOJ people were determined to get the Trump campaign under FISA-approved surveillance was so they could begin collecting EVIDENCE of all the Russian/foreign collusion they just KNEW Trump & his team MUST be engaging in.

Remember: Hillary's foreign entanglements/corruption were WELL KNOWN to all the highly placed people in the Obama regime. People in the FBI/DOJ knew all about them because they'd just spent EIGHT YEARS making sure she got away with it all.

Now...how did these same people view Trump last year leading up to the election?

From their own writings, we know they believed Trump is just as corrupt as Hillary, if not MORE so.

So how hard would it be to build a case against him if they get surveillance? ??

Given that these people think Trump is even more corrupt that Hillary & must be setting up numerous pay-to-play schemes for himself leading up to the election, and certainly after WINNING it, finding evidence of Russian collusion would be CAKE.

Remember also: at the time Strzok & Ohr and all these others are engineering this FISA court surveillance, they hoped to uncover crimes they could use BEFORE the election to sink Trump's chances to win.

After Trump won the election, the FISA surveillance was SUPPOSED to now be used as an 'insurance policy' to find evidence of Trump corruption & hopefully lead to his quick impeachment.

And here's what's to funny about all of this: They got the surveillance they wanted and they found....NOTHING.

There were no pay-to-play schemes being set up, no illegal secret deals being done.

As I've been saying for going on 9 months now, if any smoking gun had been produced from any of this, it'd have leaked long ago.

Instead of finding any evidence from this FISA surveillance they can use to damage/impeach Trump, what Stzok & others ended up having to do was go after @GenFlynn for making perfectly legal phone calls to the Russian ambassador & manufacturing a process crime.

So here's what IG Horowitz's report is going to show: a highly partisan FBI/DOJ engaged in blatant political fixing to let Democrats skate from serious crimes while actually BREAKING THE LAW to try to nail/manufacture cases against Trump's incoming administration.

Michael E. Horowitz, remember that name.

Once Democrats & DNC Media figure out what he's done, what he's been doing and who's going to prison as a result, what they did to Ken Starr in the 1990's is going to look mild.

***Ken Starr's investigation led to Bill Clinton's impeachment. Michael Horowitz's investigation will have far greater results and will actually to people going to prison for violating their offices and their oaths.***

From: JTV
15-Dec-17

JTV's Link
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/941414700960636928

From: JTV
15-Dec-17
this is the true Russia collusion/conspiracy... there never has been this level of corruption in the DOJ and the FBI ... this is a Clinton corruption and a Comey/FBI corruption scandal..... the IG report will blow the lid off of this like we've never seen before .... it is now time for Sessions to step up and set up these investigations, time to reopen the Clinton Email investigation and do it right this time... it is his duty under the law .... this is one of the largest corruption scandals in recent history, Watergate pales by comparison .....

From: Thumper
15-Dec-17
But what if the Judge's name is in the black book too?

From: K Cummings
15-Dec-17
Interesting read JTV.

I suspect this is why the AG and the Deputy AG keep referring to the upcoming IG report when questioned about certain things.

It can be very frustrating for the Jim Jordans of the world but I have a feeling that unlike many politicians and those with a specific agenda, they don't want to get out in front of the facts.

KPC

From: Annony Mouse
15-Dec-17
More and more, it looks like the "Trump/Russia/Collusion" investigation by Mueller will be one big come back to bite the ass of a lot of people in the Obama administration. Getting harder for the OPRESS© to cover for the Obama operatives...

Comey Memo Edits Warrant Indictments (Guest Post)

Now we know that not only did Hillary Clinton show intent in her handling of classified materials routed through her private server, but that former FBI Director James Comey and his team showed intent in letting her get away with it to the detriment of American national security.

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, in a Thursday letter to current FBI Director Christopher Wray, reveals how edits to Comey’s exoneration memo went beyond changing “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” but edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act but that, since the decision to exonerate her had already been made, they had to submit to the annals of history a lie they agreed upon:

Newly released documents obtained by Fox News reveal that then-FBI Director James Comey’s draft statement on the Hillary Clinton email probe was edited numerous times before his public announcement, in ways that seemed to water down the bureau’s findings considerably.

Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, sent a letter to the FBI on Thursday that shows the multiple edits to Comey’s highly scrutinized statement.

In an early draft, Comey said it was “reasonably likely” that “hostile actors” gained access to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email account. That was changed later to say the scenario was merely “possible.”

Another edit showed language was changed to describe the actions of Clinton and her colleagues as “extremely careless” as opposed to “grossly negligent.” This is a key legal distinction.

Johnson, writing about his concerns in a letter Thursday to FBI Director Christopher Wray, said the original “could be read as a finding of criminality in Secretary Clinton’s handling of classified material.”

“This effort, seen in light of the personal animus toward then-candidate Trump by senior FBI agents leading the Clinton investigation and their apparent desire to create an ‘insurance policy’ against Mr. Trump’s election, raise profound questions about the FBI’s role and possible interference in the 2016 presidential election and the role of the same agents in Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation by President Trump,” Johnson said.

Indeed this does raise profound questions. Coupled with the text messages of lead investigator, FBI Agent Peter Strzok,who has become known as the Zelig of the FBI who mysteriously appeared at every controversial moment, expressing clear intent to prevent the election of Donald Trump, we have before us a criminal conspiracy in which the most powerful law enforcement agency on this planet conspired with one political party to defeat the candidate of the other:

The letter reveals specific edits made by senior FBI agents when Deputy Director Andrew McCabe exchanged drafts of Comey’s statement with senior FBI officials, including Peter Strzok, Strzok’s direct supervisor, E.W. “Bill” Priestap, Jonathan Moffa, and an unnamed employee from the Office of General Counsel (identified by Newsweek as DOJ Deputy General Counsel Trisha Anderson) – in what was a coordinated conspiracy among top FBI brass to decriminalize Clinton’s conduct by changing legal terms and phrases, omitting key information, and minimizing the role of the Intelligence Community in the email investigation. Doing so virtually assured that then-candidate Hillary Clinton would not be prosecuted.

Imagine what was at stake here. If the FBI had just followed the evidence where it led and drew the obvious conclusions, Hillary Clinton would have been indicted, the Democratic Party would have been irreparably shattered , with Donald Trump winning in a popular vote as well as electoral vote landslide. This, in the view of a corrupted and politicized FBI had to be prevented at all costs and the Comey memo had to be sanitized before its release:

In addition to Strzok’s “gross negligence” –> “extremely careless” edit, McCabe’s damage control team removed a key justification for elevating Clinton’s actions to the standard of “gross negligence” – that being the “sheer volume” of classified material on Clinton’s server. In the original draft, the “sheer volume” of material “supports an inference that the participants were grossly negligent in their handling of that information.” …

Furthermore, the FBI edited Comey’s statement to downgrade the probability that Clinton’s server was hacked by hostile actors, changing their language from “reasonably likely” to “possible” – an edit which eliminated yet another justification for the phrase “Gross negligence.” To put it another way, “reasonably likely” means the probability of a hack due to Clinton’s negligence is above 50 percent, whereas the hack simply being “possible” is any probability above zero.

Strzok provided the motive for these activities to cover up the guilt of Hillary Clinton, activities which constitute obstruction of justice in text messages between him and his mistress and fellow FBI Agent Lisa Page: While everybody was predicting a Hillary victory, Strzok had his doubts and elevated himself to the status of savior of America, requiring that Trump be stopped at all costs, with this end justifying any and all means:

Out of all the damning, politically charged anti-Trump text messages released, one text from Strzok to Page on August 15, 2016, raised the most suspicion. It referred to a conversation and a meeting that had just taken place in “Andy’s” (widely believed to be Deputy FBI Dir. Andrew McCabe’s) office. According to Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), Strzok had texted this: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office [break] … that there’s no way he gets elected. I want to believe that. … But I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. … We have to do something about it.”

In another text, Page said: “maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.” Strzok replied: “I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps.”

“This goes to intent,” Jordan said. “We can’t take the risk that the people of this great country might elect Donald Trump. We can’t take this risk. This is Peter Strzok, head of counterintelligence at the FBI. This is Peter Strzok, who I think had a hand in that dossier that was all dressed up and taken to the FISA court. He’s saying, ‘we can’t take the risk, we have to do something about it.'”

What they tried to do about it is called obstructing justice and using the powers of their offices to interfere in a presidential election to materially aid the candidate of their choice. As Rep. Jordan notes, we face the probable reality of a dossier concocted by Russians, paid for by Team Hillary and the DNC, being used to fraudulently trick the FISA court to order surveillance of one campaign to the benefit of the other campaign. The politically motivated unmasking of Michael Flynn dovetails with this criminal conspiracy and explains much about the true purpose of Special Counsel Robert Muller’s probe which ignores Hillary’s collusion with Russia in Uranium One but indicts a Trump adviser for misremembering a legal phone call.. Can anyone say collusion? Then we face the prospect of a weaponized FBI becoming a campaign arm of the Hillary campaign.

We see now the method in the madness of the tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and AG Loretta Lynch, why the FBI issued immunity agreements to Clinton cronies such as Cheryl Mills, never impaneled a grand just, started drafting an exoneration agreement before witnesses were interviewed, and not put Hillary under oath in an interview that James Comey did not attend. The fix was in

One can only hope that Attorney General Jeff Sessions is not asleep at the switch but rather just keeping a low profile as he methodically puts together a damning case of criminal conspiracy, obstruction of justice and, yes, gross negligence prior to an avalanche of indictments starting with Hillary Clinton and working its way down the food chain to include James Comey, Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe and many others.

From: Annony Mouse
15-Dec-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: JTV
15-Dec-17
There is strong circumstantial evidence that an insidious plot unprecedented in American history was hatched within the FBI and the Obama Justice Department to help elect Hillary Clinton and defeat Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

And when this apparent effort to improperly influence the election did not succeed, the suspected conspirators appear to have employed a fraudulent investigation of President Trump in an attempt to undo the election results and remove him as president.

Such a Machiavellian scheme would move well beyond what is known as the “deep state,” a popular reference to government employees who organize in secret to impose their own political views on government policy in defiance of democratically elected leadership.

However, this apparent plot to keep Trump from becoming president and to weaken and potentially pave the way for his impeachment with a prolonged politically motivated investigation – if proven – would constitute something far more nefarious and dangerous.

Such a plot would show that partisans within the FBI and the Justice Department, driven by personal animus and a sense of political righteousness, surreptitiously conspired to subvert electoral democracy itself in our country.

As of now, we have no proof beyond a reasonable doubt of such a plot. But we have very strong circumstantial evidence.

And as the philosopher and writer Henry David Thoreau wrote in his journal in 1850: “Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.”

Newly revealed text messages about the apparent anti-Trump plot are the equivalent of a trout in the milk. It smells fishy.

The Plans

The mainstream media and Democrats dismiss talk of an anti-Trump conspiracy by the FBI and Justice Department as right-wing nonsense – paranoid fantasies of Trump supporters with no basis in facts. But there are plenty of facts that lay out a damning case based on circumstantial evidence.

Recently disclosed text messages between FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page suggest there may have been two parts of the apparent anti-Trump plot.

“Part A” was to devise a way to exonerate Clinton, despite compelling evidence that she committed crimes under the Espionage Act in her mishandling of classified documents on her private email server.

Absolving Clinton cleared the way for her to continue her candidacy at a time when all polls and just about every pundit predicted she would be elected president in November 2016. If Clinton had been charged with crimes she would likely have been forced to drop her candidacy, and if she remained in the race her candidacy would have been doomed.

But “Part A” of the apparent anti-Trump plot was not enough. A back-up plan would be prudent. It seems the Obama Justice Department and FBI conjured up a “Part B” just in case the first stratagem failed. This would be even more malevolent – manufacturing an alleged crime supposedly committed by Trump where no crime exists in the law.

And so, armed with a fictitious justification, a criminal investigation was launched into so-called Trump-Russia “collusion.” It was always a mythical legal claim, since there is no statute prohibiting foreign nationals from volunteering their services in American political campaigns.

More importantly, there was never a scintilla of evidence that Trump collaborated with Russia to influence the election.

No matter. The intent may have been to sully the new president while searching for a crime to force him from office.

But thanks to the discovery of text messages, circumstantial evidence has been exposed.

The Texts

The text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page, who were romantically involved, confirm a stunning hostility toward Trump, calling him an “idiot” and “loathsome.”

At the same time, the texts were filled with adoring compliments of Clinton, lauding her nomination and stating: “She just has to win now.”

One text between Strzok and Page dated Aug. 6, 2016 stands out and looks like the proverbial smoking gun.

Page: “And maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.” (This is clearly a reference to a Trump presidency).

Strzok: “Thanks. And of course I’ll try and approach it that way. I can protect our country at many levels .…”

It is reasonable to conclude that Strzok had already taken steps to “protect” the country from what he considered would be a dangerous and harmful Trump presidency.

Just one month earlier, then-FBI Director James Comey had announced he would recommend that no criminal charges be filed by the Justice Department against Clinton. Given all the incriminating evidence against Clinton, Comey’s view that she should not be prosecuted made no sense by any objective standard.

This is where Strzok played a pivotal role. As the lead investigator in the Clinton email case, he is the person who changed the critical wording in Comey’s description of Clinton’s handling of classified material, substituting “extremely careless” for “gross negligence.”

As I explained in an earlier column, this alteration of two words had enormous consequences, because it allowed Clinton to evade prosecution. This removed the only legal impediment to her election as president.

Documents made available by the Senate Homeland Security Committee also show that Comey intended to declare that the sheer volume of classified material on Clinton’s server supported the “inference” that she was grossly negligent, which would constitute criminal conduct. Yet this also was edited out, likely by Strzok, to avoid finding evidence of crimes.

This seems to be what Page and Strzok meant when they discussed his role as protector of the republic. It appears that Strzok was instrumental in clearing Clinton by rewriting Comey’s otherwise incriminating findings.

Were Page and Strzok also referring to the investigation of Trump that was begun in July 2016, right after Clinton was absolved? After all, Strzok was the agent who reportedly signed the documents launching the bureau’s Trump-Russia probe. And he was a lead investigator in the case before jumping to Robert Mueller’s special counsel team.

If there is any doubt that Strzok and Page sought to undermine the democratic process, consider this cryptic text about their “insurance policy” against the “risk” of a Trump presidency.

Strzok: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office – that there’s no way he gets elected – but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.…”

The reference to “Andy” is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who was also supervising the investigation of Clinton’s emails at the same time his wife was receiving roughly $675,000 in campaign money in her race for elective office in Virginia from groups aligned with Clinton.

What was the “insurance policy” discussed in Andy’s office? Was it the FBI’s investigation of Trump and his associates? Or was it the anti-Trump “dossier” that may have been used by the FBI and the Justice Department as the basis for a warrant to wiretap and spy on Trump associates? Perhaps it was both.

The Dossier

The “dossier” was a compendium of largely specious allegations about Trump, compiled by the opposition research firm Fusion GPS. The dossier was funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. Comey called it “salacious and unverified.”

Various congressional committees suspect the dossier was illegally used to place a Trump campaign associate, Carter Page, under foreign surveillance. When asked about that on Wednesday during a hearing on Capitol Hill, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein refused to answer, which sounds like an implicit “yes.”

Using a dubious, if not phony, document in support of an affidavit to obtain a warrant from a federal judge constitutes a fraud upon the court, which is a crime.

The dossier scandal recently ensnared Bruce Ohr, a top Justice Department official, who was demoted last week for concealing his meetings with the men behind the document.

Ohr’s wife worked for Fusion GPS. This created a disqualifying conflict of interest for Mr. Ohr. He was legally obligated under Justice Department regulations to recuse himself from the Mueller investigation of Russia’s role in the election, but he did not.

Congress needs to find out whether the dossier was exploited as a pretext for initiating the Russia probe against President Trump. It would also be unconscionable, if not illegal, for the FBI and Justice Department to use opposition research funded by Clinton’s campaign to spy on her opponent or his campaign.

Both agencies have been resisting congressional subpoenas and other demands for answers, which smacks of a cover-up. Since the Justice Department cannot be trusted to investigate itself, a second special counsel should be appointed.

This new counsel should also reopen the Clinton email case and investigate the conduct of Strzok, Page, Comey and others who may have obstructed justice by exonerating Clinton in the face of substantial evidence that she had committed crimes.

If Strzok or anyone else allowed their political views to shape the investigations of either Clinton or Trump and dictate the outcomes, that is a felony for which they should be prosecuted.

The Mueller investigation is now so tainted with the appearance of corruption that it has lost credibility and the public’s trust.

It is very much like a trout in the spoiled milk.

From: slade
15-Dec-17

From: slade
15-Dec-17
Rush Limbaugh told his listeners Wednesday:

“Well, there is a theory out there that holds that the inspector general has a dynamite report coming that’s gonna blow this whole thing to smithereens, and these leaks are a way of setting us up — the American people up — for what is coming. So that when it does report, it’s not a series of, “My God, I didn’t know that,” that it’s gonna confirm what these little leaks have informed us week after week after week. Now, I can’t say that I’m familiar with inspectors general and how they operate and all that, so I can only share with you that particular theory.

But since I’m so unaccustomed to leaks benefiting us, I’m so unaccustomed to inspectors general working for us, that, I’m sorry, I’m just automatically suspicious. I’m not characterizing this in any way. I just… These leaks are not making these people look good in any way or stretch the imagination. They are illustrating how this investigation is corrupted. Here Kimberley Strassel’s latest tweet. “This April text from Page to Strzok raises a whole new host of question for FBI.””

16-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Holder's threat gets an answer.

16-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Is he sayin', or just sayin'.....

From: Thumper
16-Dec-17
Holder is afraid of his own jail time.

From: Annony Mouse
16-Dec-17
I don't think atheist's thread is going as intended ;o)

BREAKING: The FBI Has Released New Info About Loretta Lynch's Tarmac Meeting With Bill Clinton

The FBI released a series of email documents Friday afternoon detailing the Department of Justice response to the fallout of the secret Phoenix tarmac meeting between Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton in June 2016. The dates on the emails range from July 1-3, 2016. On July 5, 2016, FBI Director James Comey announced former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would not face criminal charges for mishandling classified information.

A series of emails show one FBI official, whose name and email are redacted, fuming over leaks to the media about the meeting and what happened on the tarmac. The official received an email from a "layman" alleging a local Phoenix police officer who may have talked to a reporter "sounds like a security threat." Officials went back and forth about finding out if the officer was SWAT or simply worked the motorcade and that "at a minimum" he should never work another detail again. One asked if local law enforcement assisting the FBI on motorcades should sign non-disclosure agreements in the future. Another official called an Observer article about the meeting, with details about how President Clinton got to Lynch's private plane, "infuriating." (continued at link)

16-Dec-17
Awe, too bad......t9o bad they are getting caught!

Give that cop a gold metal! Solid gold! And Mr. T damn large!

From: Annony Mouse
16-Dec-17
From: slade
17-Dec-17

From: Anony Mouse
17-Dec-17

From: JTV
17-Dec-17
"Let the games Begin" ....

From: JTV
17-Dec-17
Muellers time needs to end NOW !!

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is accused of acting in complete disregard for the law and must be removed. And so, too, must his entire team.

There is devastating new evidence to suggest that Mueller and his staff of lawyers improperly, if not illegally, obtained tens of thousands of private documents belonging to President-elect Trump's Presidential Transition Team (PTT). The material includes emails, laptops and cell phones used by 13 PTT members.

Critically, a "significant volume of privileged material" was taken by Mueller, according to the Trump transition lawyer, and then used by the special counsel team in its investigation. Mueller's staff apparently admits this egregious violation, which the law strictly forbids.

Under the law, the only remedy is Mueller's dismissal from the case.

The Records Are Private

The Presidential Transition Act states that all records of transition operations are private and confidential.

On November 16, 2016, roughly ten days after Trump was elected president, the Chief Records Officer of the U.S. Government sent a letter to all federal agencies reminding them that "the materials that PTT members create or receive are not Federal or Presidential records, but are considered private materials."

Yet Mueller seems to have ignored the law. Without a warrant or subpoena, his team of lawyers brazenly demanded these private records from the General Services Administration (GSA) which held custody of the materials. The GSA does this as a service to all incoming presidents out of courtesy, but it neither owns the documents nor is authorized to release them to anyone under any circumstances because they are deemed entirely private.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Counsel for the Trump Transition Team has sent a letter to Congress alleging the Fourth Amendment was violated in "failing to obtain a warrant for the search or seizure of private property in which the owner has a reasonable expectation of privacy (Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 489)."

Mueller might contest the claim of an unlawful seizure because the GSA willingly handed over the documents, but this disregards the fact that the GSA broke the law and Mueller surely knew it when he pressured the agency to do so.

Privileged Material

The most serious charge against Mueller is that he obtained, reviewed and used material that is privileged.

For months, Mueller allegedly failed to disclose to the transition team that he acquired these privileged documents. Under the law, he and his lawyers are not entitled to possess or read any of them. Even worse, the transition team says it warned the special counsel six months ago that it had no right to access the records without gaining permission from the PTT.

Courts have clearly stated what prosecutors are supposed to do under these circumstances: "An attorney who receives privileged documents has an ethical duty to cease review of the documents, notify the privilege holder, and return the documents." (U.S. v. Taylor 764 Fed Sup 2nd, 230, 235)

Did Mueller do this? Apparently not. He never notified PTT when his staff of lawyers encountered the privileged documents and he compounded his violation of the law by possessing and accessing them for months.

Only the owner of such materials can waive the privileged that protects them. Since the GSA does not, under the law, own the records, only the transition team can make such a waiver. It did not.

Hence, if any illegally obtained documents have been used in the Trump-Russia case, then the results are tainted and invalid. This is a well-established principle of law.

Mueller Must Be Removed

The use by Mueller of even one privileged document can, and must, result in his disqualification from the case.

The case of Finn v. Schiller, 72 F.3rd 1182, 1189 spells out the required remedy for this violation of the law: "Courts have frequently used their supervisory authority to disqualify prosecutors for obtaining materials protected by the attorney-client privilege."

Statutory law also demands Mueller's removal. Pursuant to 5 C.F.R. 2635.501, government employees, including prosecutors, are directed to "take appropriate steps to avoid an appearance of loss of impartiality in the performance of his or her official duties."

The lawyer for the Trump transition team states that the special counsel's office admitted in a telephone conversation on Friday that it failed to use an "ethical wall" or "taint team" to segregate any privileged records. This is often done to keep them isolated from lawyers and investigators involved in the case.

Yet, Mueller did not adopt such precautionary measures. Instead, he apparently allowed his team to utilize the documents while questioning witnesses in the Trump-Russia case.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Given the insular nature of the special counsel operation, it is reasonable to conclude that all the lawyers and investigators likely accessed the privileged documents. Therefore, not just Mueller, but his entire team must be dismissed. This would include Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who oversees the case.

Either Congress should take aggressive action or the Presidential Transition Team (now Trump for America, Inc.) must petition a federal judge to order their removal.

The integrity of the special counsel probe has been deeply compromised by numerous allegations of corrupt acts. In its current composition, it seems beyond repair.

Gregg Jarrett joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in 2002 and is based in New York. He currently serves as legal analyst and offers commentary across both FNC and FOX Business Network (FBN).

From: Annony Mouse
17-Dec-17
When things begin to backfire on the Mueller investigation fallout, all of the obama rodentia will be fighting for a life raft...

Holder Issues Direct Warning to Trump Admin — ‘Any Attempt to Remove Mueller Will Not Be Tolerated’

Of all the people in the last presidential administration who should keep their #@*&$! mouth shut, it's Eric Holder. If there were any justice in this country, this man at the least would be in jail for lying to congress, selective enforcement of federal law, involvement in massive government corruption......or be shot for treason. But now he is boldly issuing a not so veiled threat if Trump tries to can Robert Mueller. If anything, Trump’s election was a repudiation of Obama and all he and Holder stood for. And yet, here’s Eric Holder acting like he’s the moral authority in this country. Pretty bold for someone who thought they were ABOVE THE LAW.

It’s hard for any rational person to make the argument against disbanding this Mueller special counsel. It's clear that there was no collusion and the investigation has been hopelessly compromised. We now know that Mueller had people on his team who not only hate Trump but appear to have been actively working against Trump since 2016 from their positions of power. Someone needs to remind the thugs from the Obama years that they are no longer in power. They have no authority to say what will or will not be tolerated. That's no longer their choice.

Sounds like maybe Eric is getting nervous what might be said or come to light should people in the DOJ and FBI start to turn.

Where's the falling pianos when you need one.....

From: JTV
17-Dec-17
Obama/Hillary "rodentia" .... oooohhhh, you must mean Freefruity/'theist and LHL ....

From: Annony Mouse
17-Dec-17
Let’s Take a Stroll – Letter of Notice From Trump Transition To Congress Outlining Illegal Search and Seizure by Special Counsel Robert Mueller….

It is my belief, based on mounting evidence, a specific cast of characters -within the Mueller “Russia Election Interference” probe- were placed there to protect people behind the FBI’s initial false claims. Those claims formed the basis for the counterintelligence operation against 2016 presidential candidate Donald Trump.

According to reports, in August 2017 the Mueller team went around the Trump administration in their quest for documents, by directly demanding documents from the General Services Agency (GSA); the entity that hosted the communication network for the Trump transition team.

According to reports, the content of 12 email accounts was handed over to the Special Counsels’ office; consisting of thousands of pages of transition team communication. Innocuous, ordinary transition stuff, but the method of procurement is jaw-droppingly unethical, possibly illegal.

(link to actual letter.pdf)

Now, let’s take a stroll and explain to our neighbors exactly what this entire plot is all about and why they should care….

Here’s the way the entire construct looks in simple outline.

Career officials, managers and staff within the DOJ and FBI wanted to help ensure Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election. Those people were ideologically aligned with President Obama, and held the goal of maintaining progressive advances as part of their motive.

A “small group” was formed within the DOJ and FBI to facilitate this goal. The first goal was to remove Clinton from the burden of the FBI email investigation.

Once that goal was achieved, they moved on to Clinton’s 2016 challenger. By the time the 2016 GOP convention drew near, everyone accepted that challenger would be Donald Trump.

As such the FBI “small group” began monitoring candidate Donald Trump in June/July 2016 as part of a plan toward the benefit of candidate Hillary Clinton.

However, the FBI and DOJ officials also needed an actual basis, a legal justification for their behavior and the time they were spending. The plan to justify that behavior was to create an official counterintelligence operation.

To get the counterintelligence operation going, they needed a reasonable basis for creating one. That basis was the formative seeds of claims of Russian connections to the Trump campaign.

To establish the basis the Russian elements needed for the operation; the DNC and Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS to contract Christopher Steele to write a dossier that would form the legal grounding for the counterintelligence operation.

Fusion GPS hired DOJ Deputy Attorney Bruce Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, who was well versed in counterintelligence operations, CIA operations, and using tradecraft to create illusions.

Nellie Ohr worked with retired British MI6 Agent Christopher Steele to manufacture the Steele Dossier. The dossier would create take innocuous connections between Trump and Russian people, enhance them, fabricate some nefarious appearance, and then be turned over to Bruce Ohr’s counterintelligence buddy in the FBI Peter Strzok.

In essence, the Clinton’s created the Russian “angle” out of thin air; and the FBI and DOJ used that creation as the legal underpinning for the counterintelligence operation.

The cointel op was always just a ruse for wiretapping, surveillance and monitoring of Donald Trump campaign officials.

The FBI (Strzok) and DOJ (Ohr) dressed up the Steele Dossier to apply for a FISA warrant (DOJ Attorney Lisa Page). The surveillance was happening with or without the FISA approval; but the FISA warrant would make the surveillance legal.

The initial application to the FISA Court was so sketchy (June/July 2016) is was actually denied. Denials rarely happen. One-in-a-thousand.

The Steele Dossier was dressed up some more. More stuff added, thanks to Christopher Steele and Nelli Ohr, to the second FISA application in Sept./October. That FISA application again submitted by Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page. That warrant was approved.

If Hillary was elected, the entire counterintelligence operation just disappears into the ether. No-one would ever know about it.

But Hillary didn’t win.

Trump did.

Subsequently, the entire Trump Counterintelligence Operation was likely to be exposed. So the team behind the CoIntel scheme had to make up the “Russian Interference in The Election” narrative, a larger narrative, to cover their tracks.

The manufactured basis for the FISA warrant, ‘Muh Russia’ now needed to become real; or at least have the appearance of being real or justified.

That’s why the goofy “Joint Analysis Report on Russian Interference” was created. Brennan (CIA), Clapper (ODNI), and Comey (FBI), and to a much lesser extent the outsider Mike Rogers (NSA). This became the “17 intelligence agencies” blah.. blah… blah.

It was never 17 intel agencies. It was four. Only three pushed it. Mike Rogers said he had low/moderate confidence in the underlying intelligence within the report. The report was created as evidence to enhance the cover. Nothing more.

[My hunch is if you put the Steele Dossier together with the Joint Analysis Report, you will find 90% of the FISA application documentation.]

Additionally, the entire crew, from the Obama Administration and current career people within the DOJ, FBI, etc., who understood the larger scheme, needed ongoing people to continue ensuring the story was maintained.

That drove the need for a Special Counsel investigation. Mueller’s investigation was really just another way the players within the original scheme could keep a lid on the events in 2016.

That’s why many of the FBI/DOJ “small group”, the crew who cleared Hillary in the email investigation, were also assigned to the Mueller investigation. Controls were needed.

Inside Mueller’s crew, the “small group” essentially works to watch over what information the Trump officials could possibly be discovering…. under the auspices of investigating ‘Muh Russia’ etc. If the “small group” comes across a risky trail being followed, they work to impede, block, delay or deflect anyone from that trail.

That’s the ‘high-level’ summary of the way things look from a researched perspective.

There’s one guy at the heart of this operation who can blow the lid of EVERYTHING.

His name is Bill Priestap.

Priestap’s position in 2016 was Director of Counterintelligence for the FBI.

There’s a growing possibility Priestap has flipped. Start asking about him.

From: Annony Mouse
17-Dec-17

From: Stalker
17-Dec-17
No wonder Hillary can't come to grips with the fact that she LOST!

Incredibly scary to think about if she had won!

From: JTV
17-Dec-17

JTV's Link
oh snap ... Obama weaponized the IRS and then the FBI ... https://www.toddstarnes.com/election/fbi-weaponized-take-trump-presidency/

From: Annony Mouse
29-Dec-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: Annony Mouse
30-Dec-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: Atheist
30-Dec-17
For those of you who attack Mueller and the FBI , you continue to ignore one key fact:

2 Senior Trump White House staffers have pled guilty to lying to the FBI. They willfully admitted it.

There's no way to spin this fact, so you simply pretend it doesn't exist? Mueller is many times the American than Trump is and infinitely smarter.

From: Bentstick81
30-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD. See you are stirring the $hit again. One FACT that we don't ignore, is you are a lying FRAUD.

From: Woods Walker
30-Dec-17
And you have 35+ identities. Talk about pretending!

30-Dec-17
how come there is no penalty for the FBI lying to us?

From: Woods Walker
31-Dec-17
Because they're the government, and are accountable to no one but us, and apparently we the people just don't give a sh*t anymore. We let them make laws that only THEY can selectively apply or flat ignore all together, the bulk of which DO NOT apply to them. Add to that the fact that someone who makes a career of politics walks away easily a multi-millionaire on a salary that for anyone else would leave them very comfortable but NOT extremely wealthy.

As my former Governor/now convict Rod Blagojevich said in a comment related to having the job of appointing someone to then Senator Obama's seat when he ran for President......."It's ****ing GOLDEN!!" And GOLD is exactly what it was worth! OUR gold!!!!

We're getting cornholed because we keep letting the SOBs do it whenever they like.

From: bb
31-Dec-17
"Mueller is many times the American than Trump is and infinitely smarter." How does one go about measuring the degrees of being an American? " infinitely smarter" ???? Yeah that's obvious, A person would have to dumb themselves down substantially to accumulate the kind of wealth Trump has.

From: JTV
31-Dec-17
'Theist your a peniswrinkle .... how many times have YOU lied on here ?? ... Mueller is waaaay off course in his witch hunt... nothing about Collusion has been found, nothing will be found ... are you even aware that there is NO crime for collusion in the sense and terms it is used for campaigns... Yea, you didnt know that did ya dweeb ... there is no there there ....

From: JTV
31-Dec-17
Definition of dweeb slang/synonym for 'theist/FreeFruity/LefthandedLouie : an unattractive, insignificant, or inept person — dweebish play \?dw?-bish\ adjective, slang — dweeby play \-b?\ adjective, slang

From: Annony Mouse
01-Jan-18

From: Annony Mouse
02-Jan-18
THE NOOSE TIGHTENS: Sergei Millian is the link between Putin, Fusion GPS, Clinton and Obama

From the link:

"...What's materializing in front of our eyes is the greatest scandal in American history. Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama were colluding with Vladimir Putin to destroy Donald Trump's campaign..."

From: Thumper
02-Jan-18
The shadow government.

Its been hard to drain the swamp, they're fonding out its not a protected wetlands after all.

From: JTV
02-Jan-18

JTV's Link
Information out on Clinton/FBI ... it dosnt look good for Clinton/FBI/DOJ and all those involved ... this is gonna break the hearts of all the dweebs on here...they're gonna need their safespace's

Republicans on key congressional committees say they have uncovered new irregularities and contradictions inside the FBI’s probe of Hillary Clinton’s email server.

For the first time, investigators say they have secured written evidence that the FBI believed there was evidence that some laws were broken when the former secretary of State and her top aides transmitted classified information through her insecure private email server, lawmakers and investigators told The Hill.

That evidence includes passages in FBI documents stating the “sheer volume” of classified information that flowed through Clinton’s insecure emails was proof of criminality as well as an admission of false statements by one key witness in the case, the investigators said.

The name of the witness is redacted from the FBI documents but lawmakers said he was an employee of a computer firm that helped maintain her personal server after she left office as America’s top diplomat and who belatedly admitted he had permanently erased an archive of her messages in 2015 after they had been subpoenaed by Congress.

The investigators also confirmed that the FBI began drafting a statement exonerating Clinton of any crimes while evidence responsive to subpoenas was still outstanding and before agents had interviewed more than a dozen key witnesses.

Those witnesses included Clinton and the computer firm employee who permanently erased her email archives just days after the emails were subpoenaed by Congress, the investigators said.

Lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee who attended a Dec. 21 closed-door briefing by FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe say the bureau official confirmed that the investigation and charging decisions were controlled by a small group in Washington headquarters rather the normal process of allowing field offices to investigate possible criminality in their localities. The Clinton email server in question was based in New York.

In normal FBI cases, field offices where crimes are believed to have been committed investigate the evidence and then recommend to bureau hierarchy whether to pursue charges with prosecutors. In this case, the bureau hierarchy controlled both the investigation and the charging decision from Washington, a scenario known in FBI parlance as a “special,” the lawmakers said.

The FBI declined comment on McCabe’s closed-door testimony and the evidence being shared with Congress.

Some Republicans on the committee say the findings and revelations have left them more convinced than ever that FBI leadership rigged the outcome to clear Clinton.

“This was an effort to pre-bake the cake, pre-bake the outcome,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a House Judiciary Committee member who attended the McCabe briefing before the holidays. “Hillary Clinton obviously benefited from people taking actions to ensure she wasn’t held accountable.”

Gaetz said he could not divulge the specifics of what McCabe told lawmakers, but that he left the Dec. 21 session believing the FBI had deviated from its “normal objective practices” while investigating Clinton.

The top Democrat on the panel acknowledged the FBI’s handling of the case was unique, but argued Republicans are politicizing their own panel’s work.

“To the extent that the Assistant Director of the FBI was involved in that investigation, and recognizing that the investigation itself presented a unique set of circumstances, his testimony did not raise any concerns that would justify the Republicans’ outsized obsession with Hillary Clinton’s emails two years after the fact,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y) who recently took over as the top Democrat on House Judiciary after former Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) stepped aside after sexual misconduct allegations were made against him.

Gaetz said he has growing questions about the role the Obama Justice Department played in the case.

Former FBI Director James Comey has testified he made the decision not to seek criminal charges against Clinton — with no Justice Department input — because he feared any involvement from the department might taint the findings after then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch met with former President Bill Clinton on a tarmac during the closing days of the probe in June 2016.

He also argued in an initial July 5, 2016, press conference announcing the decision that he did not believe he could show that Clinton intended to send classified information over her server.

But Gaetz said his panel has evidence the FBI took actions while writing the exoneration statement that required Justice input, such as immunizing witnesses in June 2016. He said he would like to learn more about what instructions, sentiments and communications were conveyed between the department and the FBI.

“I think we have more questions than answers based on what we’ve learned,” Gaetz said.

Both parties are likely to learn more in the first quarter of 2018 when the Justice Department inspector general is expected to release initial findings in what has become a wide-ranging probe into the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email case as well as whether agents and supervisors had political connections, ethical conflicts or biases that affected their work.

In the meantime, Republicans on three House committees and the Senate Judiciary Committee have pieced together new evidence from recent interviews and document productions.

That information wasn’t available to them when Comey announced in July 2016 that he would not seek charges against Clinton even though she and her aides had transmitted more than 110 pieces of classified information through her insecure email server, some of it at the “top secret” and “secret” levels.

One storyline that has emerged is that the FBI’s own documents stated there was evidence some laws had been broken, but bureau leaders declined to pursue charges on the grounds they could not prove Clinton and her aides intended to violate the law.

Those concerns were reflected in the initial draft statements Comey and his leadership team began writing in spring 2016. The Hill first reported in November that Comey’s original May 2, 2016, draft included the words “grossly negligent” — the language supporting a criminal charge for mishandling classified information — but it was later changed to the softer “extremely careless.”

GOP congressional investigators told The Hill multiple drafts of the statement also included specific language acknowledging there was “evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information.”

Furthermore, the May 2, 2016, draft included a second passage that suggested the large amount of highly classified information — eight top secret passages and 37 secret passages — that passed through Clinton’s private server suggested criminality.

“The sheer volume of information that was properly classified as Secret at the time it was discussed on email (that is, excluding the “up classified” emails) supports an inference that the participants were grossly negligent in their handling of that information,” the FBI’s original draft read, according to a source who has seen it.

Comey used some of the language the agents had put in the initial drafts of the memo when he made his announcement of no charges.

“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said.

The FBI also confirmed that a key witness, a computer technician who deleted Clinton emails from her server in March 2015 after a congressional subpoena had been issued for them, originally lied to the FBI during his interviews, memos show. The witness's name was redacted from documents released by the FBI but he was identified as an employee of a computer firm that helped maintained Clinton’s email server.

His admission of false statements came one day after the Comey statement was already being drafted, investigators told The Hill.

The computer employee originally told the FBI in a February 2016 interview that he did not recall making any deletions from Clinton’s server in March 2015, FBI records show.

But then on May 3, 2016, the same employee in a subsequent FBI interview told agents he had an “oh shit moment” and in late March 2015 deleted Clinton’s email archive from the server, according to FBI documents reviewed by The Hill.

Lying to the FBI is a federal felony, a crime that former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn recently pleaded guilty to. But the FBI decided not to pursue criminal charges against the witness, and instead gave the technician an immunity deal so he could correct his story, congressional investigators said.

Republican investigators say the most glaring irregularity they have found is the decision to begin drafting a statement exonerating Clinton before much of the investigative interviewing and evidence gathering was even done.

While the first draft of the statement was dated May 2, 2016, FBI records gathered by congressional investigators show agents were still receiving evidence responsive to grand jury subpoenas well after that, including documents and other evidentiary items logged on May 13, May 19 and May 26.

A House GOP lawmaker told The Hill his staff also has identified at least a dozen interviews that were conducted after the drafting effort began, including of some figures who would have key information about intent or possible destruction of evidence.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley's (R-Iowa) staff has a higher number: 17 witnesses including Clinton were interviewed after the decision was already made.

“Making a conclusion before you interview key fact witnesses and the subject herself violates the very premise of good investigation. You don't lock into a theory until you have the facts. Here the evidence that isn't public yet shows they locked into the theory and then edited out the facts that contradicted it,” the GOP lawmaker said, speaking only on condition of anonymity because the documents are not yet authorized for release.

A senior law enforcement official directly familiar with the investigation, speaking only on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media, told The Hill that the FBI “did have evidence of statutory violations” but the decision not to prosecute was driven by a belief that there wasn’t enough proof Clinton and aides intended to violate those laws or even knew they were violating them.

The official also acknowledged evidence gathering continued even as Comey began drafting the public statement, including the execution of an immunity deal on June 10, 2016, with Clinton advisers Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson that resulted in laptops with evidence being turned over to agents late in the probe.

“The leadership had a sense of where the evidence was likely headed and the idea was they would begin drafting their conclusions and if we found anything that changed that sense we’d alert them,” the official said.

The official said the decision to grant immunity to the Clinton advisers as well as the computer technician involved in the email deletions was made “with the idea it would be better to know all the circumstances” before the case was closed out.

Comey has told Congress he made the decision not to charge Clinton after she was interviewed on July 2, 2016.

Congressional investigators told The Hill they also have found some contradictions between the FBI’s official account of what happened and what more recently released documents show.

One that is being pursued aggressively by Grassley involves whether the FBI actually investigated possible violations of the Federal Records Act, which required the preservation of all of Clinton’s work-related emails.

The FBI admits it recovered thousands of State emails that originated or passed through Clinton’s private server — some which had been deleted — that were never turned over to the State Department as government records by Clinton’s team.

While the FBI believed none of those were deleted intentionally to keep them from the government, the Records Act allows for a misdemeanor charge in each instance where a government document is destroyed carelessly, investigators said.

Comey told Grassley back in 2016 that the FBI did investigate whether the unlawful destruction of federal records occurred.

But Grassley’s staff has now obtained a sworn affidavit from an FBI agent that directly contradicts the former director’s assurance. The agent testified under penalty of perjury that the Clinton email case did not address the destruction of federal records, Grassley said.

The longtime Senate chairman went to the Senate floor before the holidays to raise another concern: the FBI did not pursue criminal charges when Clinton’s email archives were permanently deleted from her private server days after a subpoena for them was issued by a congressional committee investigating the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi.

The deletion occurred on the same day Clinton’s former chief of staff and her lawyer had a call with the computer firm that handled the erasure using an anti-recovery software called BleachBit, Grassley said.

“You have a conference call with Secretary Clinton’s attorneys on March 31, 2015, and on that very same day her emails are deleted by someone who was on that conference call using special BleachBit software,” Grassley said. “The emails were State Department records under subpoena by Congress.

“What did the FBI do to investigate this apparent obstruction?” Grassley asked. “According to affidavits filed in federal court — absolutely nothing. The FBI focused only on the handling of classified information.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367141-congressional-investigators-find-irregularities-in-fbis-handling-of

From: Atheist
02-Jan-18
JTV, I’ll speak slowly. There is currently no investigation of Clinton, Obama or any democrat. None. Zero. The focus right now is on trump and his team. By a fantastic public servant and decorated Marine Bob Mueller. He will get to the truth and you will accept his findings. Why? Because you have no choice. Trump said no one on his team had any Russian contacts. We know that’s not true. How? 2 Indictments for lying to the fbi. With more coming. Let the investigation play out. Of trump is innocent, no worrries! But trying to squash this investigation isn’t a good look. Why the fear of Muellers team? Oh right they’re biased. Maybe you don’t recall Clinton’s special prosecutor. Ken Starr? A self admitted Bush guy, conservative. And yet he was allowed to conduct his investigation and we all know how that turned out. Justice was done. So now fair play says let Mueller finish his investigation. Or are you too afraid of what he’ll find?

From: JTV
02-Jan-18
Damn, your a dweeb ...... Mueller is in deep crap right now, the witch hunt is a failure... he had to drum up charges that were not even related to Trump and his campaign .... and those "charges were minor" .... once again there is no there there.... I guess in the mind of a piss ant liberal like you, the Inspector General's investigation is not an investigation .... smh ...

From: JTV
02-Jan-18
like I said, Mueller is in deep crap right now

WASHINGTON — In early January, news that the Justice Department’s inspector general launched an investigation into the government's disputed handling of the Hillary Clinton email inquiry was quickly overtaken by the chaotic run-up to President Trump’s inauguration.

Nearly a year later, Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s wide-ranging review of the FBI and Justice’s work in the politically-charged Clinton case now looms as a potential landmine for Russia special counsel Robert Mueller.

For months, Horowitz’s investigation — which has amassed interviews with former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, former FBI Director James Comey and other key officials — had been grinding on in near anonymity. That is, until earlier this month when the inspector general acknowledged that Mueller was alerted to a cache of text messages exchanged between two FBI officials on his staff that disparaged Trump.

The communications, involving senior counter-intelligence agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page, were gathered in the course of Horowitz’s internal review of the Clinton case, which Strzok also helped oversee. Horowitz’s investigation is not examining Mueller’s operation. But the disclosures already have provided a hammer to Trump loyalists who are escalating their criticisms of the legitimacy of the special counsel’s inquiry.

Earlier this month, FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein only highlighted the potential gravity of the inspector general's work when they repeatedly urged Republican House committee members during separate hearings to withhold judgment about allegations of bias within the FBI until the internal Justice probe is completed.

Justice officials have indicated that a report is likely in the next few months.

"The inspector general's investigation is very important," House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., told Rosenstein at a Dec. 13 hearing. The deputy attorney general cited the probe multiple times as the reason for declining to respond to lawmakers' questions about how the texts might affect Mueller's probe.

"It is very encouraging to us that (Horowitz) is doing what I think is good, unbiased work," the chairman said

Once it's completed, the inspector general’s review also threatens to give opponents fodder to unleash fresh criticism of the FBI – which Trump has singled out in scathing rebukes since Mueller's indictment of former national security adviser Michael Flynn earlier this month. Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and pledged to cooperate with the special counsel, was the fourth Trump campaign official to be charged in the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

Chris Swecker, a former FBI assistant director, said the text communications unearthed by Horowitz have handed leverage to attorneys representing current and possible future defendants in the Mueller investigation, either in possible plea negotiations or at trial.

"Two star witnesses have been created for the defense," Swecker said, referring to Strzok and Page whose communications could be introduced as evidence of an investigation biased against Trump.

Strzok was removed from the Russia investigation this summer immediately after Mueller was informed of the communications in which the agent described Trump as an "idiot" while expressing a clear preference for Clinton. Page, meanwhile, had completed her temporary assignment to the Russia inquiry and had returned to bureau headquarters when the texts were discovered.

More: Peter Strzok, FBI agent removed from Robert Mueller's Russia probe, called Trump an 'idiot'

Swecker said Mueller acted appropriately in dismissing Strzok, but fears that the damage has already been done.

"I never heard anything related to politics come out of (Mueller's) mouth," Swecker said, referring to his experience working closely with the special counsel when he served as FBI director.

"But none of this is good for Mueller or his reputation for fairness," Swecker said. "Who knows what else the IG (inspector general) has."

Mounting questions about the FBI's continuing credibility – including Trump's jab that the bureau's reputation was in "tatters" – have landed hard at the agency. The FBI was sent reeling in May when Trump abruptly dismissed Comey for his handling of the Russia inquiry.

Wray, who took over in September, has publicly defended the bureau's reputation in the wake of Trump's attacks. He was joined late Tuesday by the FBI Agents Association, whose members issued a rare, collective defense of their own.

"Attacks on our character and demeaning comments about the FBI will not deter agents from continuing to do what we have always done – dedicate our lives to protecting the American people," the group said in a written statement.

More: FBI chief Chris Wray defends bureau after Trump says its reputation is 'in tatters'

More: President Trump and Sessions disagree on president's criticism of FBI

Pat Cotter, a former federal prosecutor, said the specter of Horowitz's inquiry should have "zero effect on how Mueller and his team do their jobs."

"But this is a political event, too," Cotter added. "To the extent that this (agents' conduct) will be used to discredit, distract or obfuscate the Mueller investigation, maybe it will work.''

For Horowitz, the Clinton email inquiry may be the most consequential investigation he has launched since his installment as Justice's watchdog in 2012. But the former public corruption unit chief in the Manhattan U.S. attorney's office has not shied from controversy in the past five years.

Months after taking office, Horowitz issued a scathing account of a botched gun-trafficking operation that allowed an estimated 2,000 firearms to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartel enforcers.

The inspector general's review of the so-called "Fast and Furious" operation managed by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives recommended 14 federal law enforcement officials for discipline, resulting in a dramatic shakeup in leadership at the ATF. The operation was halted when two of the weapons were found at the scene of the 2010 slaying of border patrol agent Brian Terry.

A separate 2015 report authored by Horowitz's staff found that U.S. Drug Enforcement Agents posted in Colombia had engaged in sex parties involving prostitutes who were supplied by local drug cartels. The review concluded that some of the 10 agents involved admitted attending the parties where a local Colombian police offer often stood guard, protecting the agents' firearms and other property.

Less than a month after Horowitz's report, then-DEA chief Michele Leonhart announced her retirement from the agency.

In the review of the Clinton email investigation, authorities are examining whether the Justice Department and FBI followed established "policies and procedures'' when then-FBI Director Comey publicly announced that the bureau would not recommend criminal charges against Clinton related to her use of a private email server while she was secretary of State.

The inspector general is not evaluating the merits of the now-closed criminal inquiry or challenge the conclusions not to prosecute Clinton. Rather, it will focus on Justice and FBI policies that guided the probe.

Former Justice inspector general Michael Bromwich said that the office has a long established record as "a reliable and independent voice" that has held some of the most powerful institutions to account.

The disclosures of the agents' text messages, he said, "has certainly re-focused the spotlight on investigation that many people may have forgotten about but remains an important piece of work that needs to be completed."

More than once, Bromwich found himself at the center of a firestorm while inspector general. In 1997, Bromwich authored a damning review of the FBI's crime laboratory on the eve of the federal trial of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. While McVeigh was ultimately convicted and executed, the lab had been heavily involved in examining evidence in that case.

"Michael (Horowitz) is a very solid guy with exactly the right background for the job. It's a job that doesn't make you many friends," Bromwich said. "And I don't think a lot of people will be happy when it's over. But I think he is going to call it as he sees it."

from USA Today ..

From: JTV
02-Jan-18
all this goes right over your head .. see if you can comprehend this ..

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is accused of acting in complete disregard for the law and must be removed. And so, too, must his entire team.

There is devastating new evidence to suggest that Mueller and his staff of lawyers improperly, if not illegally, obtained tens of thousands of private documents belonging to President-elect Trump's Presidential Transition Team (PTT). The material includes emails, laptops and cell phones used by 13 PTT members.

Critically, a "significant volume of privileged material" was taken by Mueller, according to the Trump transition lawyer, and then used by the special counsel team in its investigation. Mueller's staff apparently admits this egregious violation, which the law strictly forbids.

Under the law, the only remedy is Mueller's dismissal from the case.

The Records Are Private

The Presidential Transition Act states that all records of transition operations are private and confidential.

On November 16, 2016, roughly ten days after Trump was elected president, the Chief Records Officer of the U.S. Government sent a letter to all federal agencies reminding them that "the materials that PTT members create or receive are not Federal or Presidential records, but are considered private materials."

Yet Mueller seems to have ignored the law. Without a warrant or subpoena, his team of lawyers brazenly demanded these private records from the General Services Administration (GSA) which held custody of the materials. The GSA does this as a service to all incoming presidents out of courtesy, but it neither owns the documents nor is authorized to release them to anyone under any circumstances because they are deemed entirely private.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Counsel for the Trump Transition Team has sent a letter to Congress alleging the Fourth Amendment was violated in "failing to obtain a warrant for the search or seizure of private property in which the owner has a reasonable expectation of privacy (Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 489)."

Mueller might contest the claim of an unlawful seizure because the GSA willingly handed over the documents, but this disregards the fact that the GSA broke the law and Mueller surely knew it when he pressured the agency to do so.

Privileged Material

The most serious charge against Mueller is that he obtained, reviewed and used material that is privileged.

For months, Mueller allegedly failed to disclose to the transition team that he acquired these privileged documents. Under the law, he and his lawyers are not entitled to possess or read any of them. Even worse, the transition team says it warned the special counsel six months ago that it had no right to access the records without gaining permission from the PTT.

Courts have clearly stated what prosecutors are supposed to do under these circumstances: "An attorney who receives privileged documents has an ethical duty to cease review of the documents, notify the privilege holder, and return the documents." (Arnold, 2004 U.S. Dist. Lexis 19381, at 30.)

Did Mueller do this? Apparently not. He never notified PTT when his staff of lawyers encountered the privileged documents and he compounded his violation of the law by possessing and accessing them for months.

Only the owner of such materials can waive the privileged that protects them. Since the GSA does not, under the law, own the records, only the transition team can make such a waiver. It did not.

Hence, if any illegally obtained documents have been used in the Trump-Russia case, then the results are tainted and invalid. This is a well-established principle of law.

Mueller Must Be Removed

The use by Mueller of even one privileged document can, and must, result in his disqualification from the case.

Courts have frequently used their supervisory authority to disqualify prosecutors for obtaining materials protected by the attorney-client privilege. (In re Grand Jury Proceedings John Doe #462, 757 F.2d600 Granger v Peyton, 379 F.2d 709, Arnold v. Cargill Inc., No. 01-2086, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 19381.)

Statutory law also demands Mueller's removal. Pursuant to 5 C.F.R. 2635.501, government employees, including prosecutors, are directed to "take appropriate steps to avoid an appearance of loss of impartiality in the performance of his or her official duties."

The lawyer for the Trump transition team states that the special counsel's office admitted in a telephone conversation on Friday that it failed to use an "ethical wall" or "taint team" to segregate any privileged records. This is often done to keep them isolated from lawyers and investigators involved in the case.

Yet, Mueller did not adopt such precautionary measures. Instead, he apparently allowed his team to utilize the documents while questioning witnesses in the Trump-Russia case.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Given the insular nature of the special counsel operation, it is reasonable to conclude that all the lawyers and investigators likely accessed the privileged documents. Therefore, not just Mueller, but his entire team must be dismissed. This would include Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who oversees the case.

Either Congress should take aggressive action or the Presidential Transition Team (now Trump for America, Inc.) must petition a federal judge to order their removal.

The integrity of the special counsel probe has been deeply compromised by numerous allegations of corrupt acts. In its current composition, it seems beyond repair.

The original version of this column incorrectly cited a case called "Taylor." The correct case name is "Arnold." A revised citation appears above. Additionally, the Finn case was incorrectly quoted. Additional cases have been cited in support for clarification.

Gregg Jarrett joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in 2002 and is based in New York. He currently serves as legal analyst and offers commentary across both FNC and FOX Business Network (FBN).

From: Bentstick81
02-Jan-18
atheist. You are a FRAUD. You sound REALLY sure, this time. You wanna bet???

From: trublucolo
02-Jan-18
JTV you really don't expect atheist to read all that do you ?

From: JTV
02-Jan-18
he/she/it cant comprehend what it means anyways even if he/she/it could or did read it all .... it just proves a point into the ignorance and how brain dead the left is and how they believe what ever their Dem masters tell them to believe ....

03-Jan-18
It DOES prove that!

AGAIN!!

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