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From: Pat Lefemine
02-Feb-18
Fox news just reported a summary of the report. Yes, it is that bad. People need to go to jail. This is unacceptable in our Country.

From: slade
02-Feb-18

slade's Link
Here it is, you can decide if it meet's all of the hype.

From: DL
02-Feb-18
After 8 years of Obama nothing surprises me.

02-Feb-18
if the fisa warrant was obtained without fully disclosing who paid for and made the dossier then those who asked for it and the ones to told the fbi to ask for it should go to jail.

From: slade
02-Feb-18
Sorry the link is to a site our Critical Pontificating Thought Police deemed a right wing conspiracy site. There are so many hits there servers are having a hard time.

From: Trax
02-Feb-18
There is a lot more to this story that needs to come out. Just think about what we don't know about OBOZO, the Clinton cabal, and the manipulation by our own federal law enforcement agencies pertaining to this and similar items.

From: Pig Doc
02-Feb-18
Would like to see Comey doing the perp walk but I don't think it will happen.

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
It meets the hype. And goes all the way to Comey's desk.

I have the same concern. If people are willing to violate Prosecution and Lawyering 101 rules, what else have they done?

From: Pat Lefemine
02-Feb-18
Implicated are Comey, Stroizk, McCabe, and Rosenstein. Trump was right, the fix was in for Clinton.

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
Calling on Jeff Sessions. Is he still alive?

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Bruce Orr secretly continued to meet with Steele after Steele had been trying to sell the dossier.Orrs wife worked for Fusion (Steele’s boss)watergate is not even close to this!

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
Sessions is not supposed to comment on active cases. And this one may require a special prosecutor.

Tucker Carlson is a must see tonight.

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Look who signed the fisa requests all 3

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
Here's the problem, part 2. Let's assume they didn't know all of this stuff at the beginning but they learned of it later. You have an affirmative duty to report that to the court, correcting past mistakes. We do make mistakes in this profession, but when we find them, we immediately send a filing to the court to correct the error. You don't let it sit for months. And it's hard to believe nobody ever knew this stuff.

Some folks are sending retainer checks to lawyers as we speak.

From: gadan
02-Feb-18
So the dossier was the primary reason for the special counsel and it also mentions media sources. So Hillary and the Dems pay 12 million to Fusion owned and operated by the Russians, it is filled with outright lies and distortions, and this is the justification of a special counsel? Hillary and Dems colluded with the Russians and got Obama to sick his justice dept on the opposition. Put them all in jail!

From: Woods Walker
02-Feb-18
Watch....the closer this get's to Hillary the more bodies will start appearing. It'll be like the baptism scene from Godfather I.

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
The dossier wasn’t the main reason. Papadopoulos was. It says it clearly in writing. This is simply a MEMO. Not a report, but the memo written with no co text. This is the opening trump needed to fire Rosenstein and that’s it. One Saturday night massacre coming up! Be careful what you wish for!

From: Trax
02-Feb-18
Obviously it's time to gut the FBI. Trey Gowdy would be a good one to implement that and take it over. It may be time to relieve Sessions. It is high time to hire the right special counsel to investigate Comey, Mueller, and the rest of this cabal. Mueller needs to feel some real heat, they all do. On top of that in the very least Hilda needs to be called under oath to testify on her alleged crimes. Circumventing the law by having a home server being used for confidential conversations and classified items is not alleged to get things started there.

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
The fisa requests had to be approved by a judge who saw that Carter Pae was providing valuable info and was acting as a foreign agent. It’s no surprise it was renewed 3 Times. Also th fisa was signed in 2013. Well before the Steele dossiers existence. In other words Page and Trump possibly, we’re under surveillance since 2013!

From: slade
02-Feb-18

slade's Link
TOM FITTON: “Will Rosenstein be Fired?” Memo Shows FISA Court Was Misled by Deputy AG Rosenstein – POTUS Trump May Have to Act

From: bigeasygator
02-Feb-18
bk, from a legal perspective, how would known bias (from Steele or from the fact that the dossier is oppososition research), impact the approval of the warrant? Is it a question of skepticism of the source that would then raise the bar regarding corroborating information or does it essentially disqualify the source all together?

From: elkmtngear
02-Feb-18
Papadopoulos was a freaking volunteer, you tool! Didn't receive a dime from Trump, unlike Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS, which received huge amounts of money from Hillary Clinton. Andrew McCabe is the who testified before the House Intelligence Committee : "the FISA warrant would not have been obtained without the Dossier".

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
Speaking of Mueller.

BK, I seen an article where Mueller asked for Flynn’s sentencing to be postponed. It was due to this memo, dossier etc. not really sure if it’s true or not.

Another article I seen was Gates trial lawyer quit the case. Stating this will never go to trial.

Do you think Flynns case be thrown out?

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
BK, I hear what your saying loud and clear. I guess I am impatient. Lol

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
This bizarre argument that that Russia investigation is tainted because some of the intel came from the Steele dossier is flawed because parts of the dossier have been corroborated. 1). There is no explanation of the standard for which a fisa is granted. So no context there 2). No acknowledgement that Steele is a respected British agent working closely with American intel on Russia for a decade! 3) no confirmation that Mueller had anything to do w the fisa warrant. He was added much later. This memo is a big fat DUD.

From: slade
02-Feb-18

From: Trax
02-Feb-18
Like always, you're blind atheist. It is obvious how damaging this document is for more than one power players. On top of that though why was the FBI and all the stinking leftists in Congress trying to stop the release? This is just the tip of the iceberg, and they did not want to give reason for investigations to go further. I can tell you blind and dumb sheep, investigations are going to go on further!

From: slade
02-Feb-18

slade's Link
“Tip of The Iceberg” – The Pending Intelligence Memo is The Beginning, Not The End…

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
It clearly violates confidentiality. and it demeans the fbi. But this memo falls short, way short of watergate. Name one law that was broken as a result of reading the memo.

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
If you’re asking the court for an order in an ex parte hearing, there is no other side. You have to be completely honest about your sources, and the weaknesses of your information. Add the 4th amendment prohibition against unreasonable searches and seizures creates a heightened standard for truth and accuracy with the court. Even if the first filing was done in good faith, there’s a duty to update every later filing. Four times they failed to be at the very least accurate, if not truthful to the court. This is a butt ugly set of facts for anyone whose fingerprints are on any of these FISA requests.

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
The democrat claim about harm to national security is also now proven horse crap.

From: Pat Lefemine
02-Feb-18
Hard to believe you would ask this question.

The FISA court justification - for spying on the opposition party in a Presidential election - was a flimsy dossier that was unilaterally discredited? And then it was promoted by FBI officials with clear ties to Clinton, and outspoken Trump-hating agents?

From: Brotsky
02-Feb-18
The memo poses no threat to national security, exposes no intelligence gathering methods or means, exposes no sources. Where are the "grave concerns" in this memo? Or are the "grave concerns" related to people at DOJ and the FBI keeping their pensions? What is really sad and unfortunately not shocking in the least is the spin you are already seeing on this from the mainstream media.

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
The fisa was issued in 2013. Well before the campaign. Trump was included due to the Russian involvement in his business in 2013. A flimsy dossier? It’s been corroborated by 3 other countries intelligence and by EVERY intelligence agency in the US. Are they all corrupt? Everyone of them? That’s a stretch even you have to admit.

From: Bentstick81
02-Feb-18
boy atheist. you are really getting into it today. You sound like pelosi. 8^)))

From: Bentstick81
02-Feb-18
We see a lot of spinning replies on here, from a select few. We are use to it.

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Plug has been pulled from the swamp!Whos going down the drain?

From: Mike in CT
02-Feb-18
Jeff,

As impressive as the spinning is it pales beside the sheer hubris of posting multiple times under a false registration (about #38 or so) on the site owner's thread.

Not totally sure if that's hubris or pure stupidity......maybe both.....

From: Michael
02-Feb-18

Michael's Link
I wonder if Comey is looking in the yellow pages right about now.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Interesting reaction to the "memo" from the stock markets, today. Ouch!

I'm reading a typical application for a FISA warrant includes dozens, if not hundreds of pieces of evidence for the courts to consider before granting the warrant. If that is the case, the dossier was only one part of the application. I'd like to review the rest of the evidence, if any, used in the application.

I sense we are only getting a cherry-picked part of the whole story, here.

Matt

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
Where is the bad faith? Where is the broken law? When the fbi learns that a man is contacting Russians, they investigate and use surveillance. Has anyone asked why trump would add Page to his campaign team as a foreign policy adviser? Why isn’t that being asked. That’s a major red flag that caught the fbis attention. As it should! The Dutch and Australian intelligence advised the FBI that Page is a Russian operative. Then he gets hired by trump. And you find this normal?

From: Bentstick81
02-Feb-18
Was that a tear drop that just hit my keypad??? 8^)))

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Page has been on the FBI's radar since 2013. I find it rather hard to believe that Steele's dossier was the only "evidence" they used to obtain the warrant on him.

Let's see the entire application for the warrant, not just Nunes cherry picked portion.

Matt

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
It will soon surface that trump added Papadopoulos, Flynn Manafort and Page because Of their ties to the Kremlin. The fbi was using surveillance on Page and Russian mobsters in NYC. Trump somehow got on their radar as a result of that surveillance. That’s the real story. 4 separate fisa judges approved the warrants and the renewals. They must’ve had plenty of evidence in order to do so. One final thought. One does not work this hard to discredit and ultimately end an investigation to prove ones innocence. They just don’t.

From: slade
02-Feb-18
""I sense we are only getting a cherry-picked part of the whole story, here.""

Not surprised you would be trying to spin this away from your beloved party and Dear Leaders FBI/DOJ: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

From: Bentstick81
02-Feb-18
atheist. You want to bet on that??? My offer is still up.

From: jjs
02-Feb-18
Weaponization of any law enforcement agency goes against the freedom of this country and needs to be terminated asp. John McCain was the first one to run to the FBI with the fake documents and he is screaming that the ones that wanted this to be expose was doing Putin's work, John needs to take a look in the mirror.

From: slade
02-Feb-18
And now we get to hear from the old dithering fool from AZ.

From: Tiger eye
02-Feb-18
Riddle me this Batman, if all of God fearing athiest's hypothesis are true and Trump colluded with the Russians, everything in the memo is just noise ie how they got there. Why then the uproar over its release.

Me thinks thou protest too much.

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
This is damning against the FBI.... as I predicted the local degenerates are obfuscation and deflecting .... The FAKE fisa was used to get the warrants... the judges were lied to... the Obama administration allowed the weaponization of a Government entity to SPY on American citizens... this is far far worse than Watergate... this memo is as bad as I thought it would be ... the Mueller witch hunt needs disbanded NOW !!

From: rdohn
02-Feb-18
Lying to a FISA court is a crime period. Don't forget Muller indicted a veteran for the Anthrax letters and when Bush asked are you sure Mullers response was 100% sure. He ruined that vets life and he was cleared for no wrong doing. They had to pay him $6,000,000.

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
From Breitbart:

"MEMO RELEASED: FBI Officials Knew Political Origins of Dossier, But Used It Anyway

by Kristina Wong, 2 Feb 2018

The House Intelligence Committee released its classified memo detailing alleged abuse by senior FBI and Justice Department officials on Friday, after the president approved its release.

Among the memo’s findings are:

The anti-Trump dossier funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee formed an “essential” part of the initial and all three renewal surveillance applications against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page;

The political origins of the dossier were “known to senior DOJ and FBI officials,” but those origins were not included in applications to obtain the warrant;

Also used to justify the surveillance warrants against Page was a news story supposedly corroborating the dossier, that was pushed by the dossier author Christopher Steele himself — yet the FISA application incorrectly says Steele did not provide the information in the article;

Perkins Coie — the law firm for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee hosted a meeting with Steele, Fusion GPS and media (this revelation makes it harder for the Clinton campaign and the DNC to deny they knew about the dossier, though Clinton and other top DNC officials at that time have denied knowing about it); Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source, after the FBI learned that he made an authorized disclosure of his relationship with the FBI to liberal media magazine Mother Jones, and he lied to the FBI about his previous media contacts with Yahoo! and other outlets;

Steele — although portrayed as a “boy scout” by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson — had personal bias against candidate Donald Trump, telling senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr that he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president”;

Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr assisted with the dossier, but the FBI or the DOJ did not disclose this connection in the application for the FISA warrant, even though Bruce Ohr worked “closely” with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and then Rod Rosenstein;

At the time that the FBI used the dossier to obtain the spy warrant on Page in October 2016, head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division Bill Priestap had assessed that the corroboration of the dossier was still in its “infancy,” and after Steele was terminated as a source, an FBI unit assessed his reporting as only “minimally corroborated”;

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that no warrant would have been sought without the dossier;

The FISA warrant also mentioned information related to another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, even though there was no evidence of cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos;

The memo does not state what the information about Papadopoulos was, but said that information was the trigger to the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation on Russian meddling and collusion in late July 2016 (he had told an Australian diplomat at a London bar that a Maltese professor connected to Russia had told him he had dirt on Clinton in the form of emails);

Peter Strzok, the No. 2 at the FBI’s counterintelligence division opened the bureau’s investigation on Russian meddling and collusion (text messages between him and fellow FBI official and lover Lisa Page show that he held an anti-Trump bias)."

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
All along, it was the Clintons, the DOJ/FBI, Fusion GPS, that was COLLUDING with some damn foreign who knows what to try and influence this past election and bring down a sitting POTUS....and yet the Dems were accusing Trump of this "collusion" crap.... damn .....

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
GG, and with the wave of his hand ....Pffffft ..... as I predicted... (damn I'm good)

From: BowSniper
02-Feb-18
When did the first FISA warrant get issued for Page? Was it 2013 or 2016? That is a pretty important part of the story that Atheist is trying to peddle.... you'd figure that can be easily proven one way or another. I have not had a chance to read memo yet, and it might not include that info.

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
GG, it has been reported that Ron Rosenstein testified that without the Steele dossier, they would not have gotten a FISA warrant.

The FBI didn't conduct their own investigation here, as is their normal practice. They relied on an unverified political party's opposition research piece, four times, to obtain a FISA warrant. Think about that. An unverified political hit piece was used to justify a surveillance against an american citizen, repeated 3x, which, according to Rosenstein's testimony, was essential to getting the warrant.

From: Squash
02-Feb-18
Reminiscent of the days of J Edgar Hoover. This is why Congress enacted oversight of the FBI director in 1968. But with a corrupt Obama administration history was allowed to repeat itself. But I’m not holding my breath for heads to roll, the DC swamp is one giant federally protected wetland.

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
I was under the understanding the first FISA warrant was October 2016.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
If you actually read the Steele dossier, instead of listening to talking head's opining about it, you'll realize it's written in a manner that makes it unverifiable. I'm no FISA judge, but even I recognize that.

Do you honestly think this obviously unverified dossier is the only evidence the FBI had on Page? Furthermore, do you think the FISA Judges who granted the warrant, and subsequent renewals, didn't recognize the dossier was unverifiable?

The more I read about the FISA process, the more meaningless this Nunes memo becomes. Unless someone can prove the dossier was the ONLY evidence used to obtain the Page warrant, and that the FISA judges where complicit in illegally issuing the warrant and renewals, I don't see this memo changing much of anything.

Matt

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
and as I recall, yes, the first warrant was 10/21/16.

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
FBI used a Yahoo news article to collaborate the Dossier that Steele was pushing on behalf of Clinton but the Yahoo article was supplied by Steele!

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

"Do you honestly think this obviously unverified dossier is the only evidence the FBI had on Page? Furthermore, do you think the FISA Judges who granted the warrant, and subsequent renewals, didn't recognize the dossier was unverifiable? "

Yet the FBI went forward with the dossier anyway. That would seem to be proof positive that, 'Something is rotten in Denmark."

Or in this case, at the FBI.

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
With the wave of GG's hand ...pfft ....

What TSI just wrote... they piggy backed off one another ...... the FISA court was never told the role of the DNC, Clintons, etc... even thought the seniors people in the DOJ/FBI knew... this was crooked as hell..... the info known WAS NOT shared with the FISA court....

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
I thought it was McCabe that testified no dossier no warrant. It’s in section 4 if I remember right.

From: Trax
02-Feb-18
Again, tip of the iceberg. If there was nothing to this the FBI and all of the leftists in Congress would not have been wetting their pants about releasing it. I'm all for releasing more info as time moves on but this is going to initiate a much deeper investigation.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Kyle.

I'm reading the typical application for a FISA warrant is 80 pages worth of information that attempts to justify the warrant being issued.

I suspect the dossier was just one piece of a long list of evidence provided by the FBI. I also suspect the FISA judges considered the unverified nature of the dossier in their decision, but felt there was still enough verified evidence to issue the warrant and renewals.

It seems to me the easiest way to find the truth would be to release the ENTIRE application, not just the cherry-picked portion that supports a certain narrative.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
02-Feb-18
What was the purpose of the memo? If someone did something illegal then arrest them. As of right now this is all political (motives and spin). Until we get all the facts this is just more political BS.

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
What we're seeing here is yet more proof that Sybil not only knows nothing about the law, he also doesn't 'know nothing' about how to read or comprehend.

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

"I suspect the dossier was just one piece of a long list of evidence provided by the FBI. I also suspect the FISA judges considered the unverified nature of the dossier in their decision to issue the warrant and renewals, but felt there was still enough verified evidence to issue the warrant."

Doesn't matter!

If the FBI brought the dossier to the FISA court without acknowledging it was a compromised, politically oriented document bought and paid for by the DNC, then people at the FBI committed a crime when they did that.

Jail time!

From: BowSniper
02-Feb-18
You mean when Sybil/Atheist/PZ said 2013 he was lying???

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
FBI agent Bruce Orr was sharing classified intel with his wife,who was working for Fusion research who Hillary hired to create the dossier.looks like a crime by Orr?

From: SmokedTrout
02-Feb-18
The whole thing make me wonder what the judge was thinking. Was the judge being sloppy, not asking questions he/she should have asked? Or was the judge being lied to? If I was that judge I'd be a little more than pissed they tried to pull the wool over my eyes.

Regardless, the inclusion of this stuff in a FISA warrant smacks of the same incompetence as we witnessed in the Bundy trial. It's either willful neglect of their duties, or it's political corruption. Seems like either one is grounds enough to be let go.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Kyle,

Exactly what crime was committed by the FBI for not disclosing who paid Steele for the dossier? Who paid for it has no bearing on the accuracy, or lack thereof, of the information contained within it. That's for the judges to decide, isn't it?

Perhaps BK can shed some light on the actual crimes committed.

Matt

From: Brotsky
02-Feb-18
"Who paid for it has no bearing on the accuracy, or lack thereof, of the information contained within it."

I'll tell you whatever you want to hear in a dossier if you pay me enough. See how that works?

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

It's called 'Full Disclosure," and as bk noted, failing to disclose all relevant information is a crime.

From: Atheist
02-Feb-18
-Carter Page has been under FISA surveillance since 2013. -The FISA warrant against him was extended three times because the court judged it was producing useful intel. -The warrant predates the Steele dossier by YEARS.

-Trump brought a man into his campaign who was under active US Government surveillance because of suspicious contacts with known Russian intel agents and assets for years before being hired. -Deputy AG Rosenstein did not approve the initial warrant, only the (3rd) extension.

From: Bentstick81
02-Feb-18
BULLSHIT ALERT!!! 8^)

From: BowSniper
02-Feb-18
Each FISA extension is only 90 days, so your math (and storyline) is not right, goofball. Page may have been under FBI surveillance for any number of reasons or methods, by that is NOT the same as claiming the FISA warrant goes back to 2013.

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Not true Athiest.He was approached in 2014 by FBI to tell him Russian agents might try to approach him.In 2016 they used a Fisa to spy on Carter Page.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Again, I think, or at least hope, that when a judge reads a dossier full of undisclosed sources and uncorroborated claims, they would take that into consideration when making a their decision, regardless of who paid for it.

If not, then we're talking about not only a corrupt FBI, but also a corrupt and complicit FISA judge, or judges. At which point, who do we trust for the truth? Trump? Congress? Rush? Spike Bull?

I say release the entire FISA application for the Page warrant. Otherwise, we'll continue to just get bits and pieces that support a certain agenda.

Matt

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

What matters is not if the FISA judge accepted the dossier as evidence, but simply that the FBI presented it to him in the first place without noting it was a phony, politically oriented documemt paid for by the DNC!

That in itself is incredibly incriminating evidence that there people at the FBI who are corrupt and need to spend YEARS in a federal penitentiary.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Kyle,

You seem to be focused more on who paid for the dossier than the actual content of the dossier. You really should read it, then ask yourself if you would accept it as credible evidence if you were a FISA judge. I certainly wouldn't.

I'm saying no judge in his right mind would issue a warrant based solely on the dossier, unless he too was complicit in a crime.

Matt

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Fact is FBI altered or omitted or both intel they should have made aware the FISA Judge this they acquired a warrant under false pretences

From: Coyote 65
02-Feb-18
What surprises me is they actually bothered to get a Fisa Warrant. It is kinda like a drug king pin getting a concealed carry permit.

Terry

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Ethics are subjective but facts and procedures are not!

From: bigeasygator
02-Feb-18
“The FBI didn't conduct their own investigation here, as is their normal practice. They relied on an unverified political party's opposition research piece, four times, to obtain a FISA warrant.”

On what information are you making that assessment, bk? The FBI says there are significant omissions of fact which I would assume is could be other information and intelligence that either builds on or corroborates the dossier. Saying the extensions are relied on the dossier seems like a stretch - these extensions require new information, do they not? And just because elements of the dossier may not have been verified, it doesn’t mean internal intelligence that corroborates other elements of the dossier are invalid, right?

02-Feb-18
It strikes me that Trump knew and stated from the get go that they were spying on his team but he just let it ride. He and his team knew and had a plan. Sessions recused himself from the investigation, leaving Rosenstein on his very own and no way to implicate Sessions. They even played it up 2ith some phony theatrics for the press giving the real investigation some c9ver. Now, finally, the scata hits the fan and the bad guys are left holding the bag all by themselves.

Yep, fabulous checkers!

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
Yahoo news story Steele provided to give the allusion there was a collaborative source for his dossier which the FBI used to spy on Citizens was in fact a Russian!

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
When Trump found out he was being spied on, he left Trump Towers .... He was vindicated with this today .. this was a YUUUge abuse of the FISA and weaponization of government entities ....

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
The Dems are in this deep, those involved within the FBI are in this deep, the FNM is in this deep ... this whole thing sucks ...

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

Why are you choosing to ignore the point of my post?

It matters not what the judge decided.

It only matters that the FBI intentionally neglected to give the court full disclosure on what they knew!

Good grief!

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
GG is another arm of the FNM... obfuscate and deflect ..... it is what he does, it is what they do ....

From: Rocky
02-Feb-18
GG,

That the dossier was used as evidence, foreknowledge in place by the FBI of false and misleading contents indicts the FBI. All other evidence, if any with such weight as the dossier may have held to the FISA judge, does not necessarily fast track a warrant. They obviously used the dossier to substantiate their request. Who is to say the judge was not politically biased also and signed off a multitude of times for the same warrant? Additional condemning evidence must be brought forth for each separate time you ask for a FISA warrant. That means the threshold of evidence to obtain one becomes greater with each attempt, which was granted. What and where is this greater evidence?The target here for the original FISA warrant has not been charged till this day and as reported after the memo release is assembling a team of lawyers for his "counter" strike citing his 4th.

Carter Paige is in for some bigtime $$$$$$$$$.

The Rock

From: Solo
02-Feb-18
This was all conducted on the belief that HRC would win the presidency, and then no one would ever know the truth. They gambled and LOST Bigly.

Stupid leftists.... They don't realize the power of the Truth...... LOL... And I love witnessing the Truth in action. These people must do time for this, regardless of their usual "I didn't mean to do it" crap. Comey is already pretending that he didn't know what he did was wrong. Fricken Chicken..... :^p ...

From: Huntcell
02-Feb-18
Best case scenario the big name players in Obo’s administration including Hilliary, spend time in the big house. It puts the Democratic Party in such shambles and disarray that the very name and any association to it, is toxic . As the former unjailed members scramble to reunite under a new banner it Will be another generation (30yrs) before they ever gain a presidency or majority in either chamber.

I am going all in.

From: JTV
02-Feb-18
Pete King says Comey is nothing but a talking head for the Democrat Party right now.... the dems are in heart attack mode right now... they are having conniption fits over this .... this whole Fisa scandal/Obama gate should result in indictments against the perpetrators who tried to upset the Trump campaign and him as a sitting POTUS.... as I predicted, the Dems are in full blown deflect obfuscation mode ....this is history in the making ... I'm glad to be here to see it ...

From: Solo
02-Feb-18

Solo's Link
I'm all in there with you, Huntcell. I am concerned about our horribly infected court system that has been intentionally infiltrated by leftist judges for many years now. That's all been conducted on the premise of systematically implementing the communist manifesto in America. In particular, steps #16 & #20 in the link.

Those two steps deal specifically with what we've been witnessing in our wrongful court decisions and the gross deception in our media outlets. And thanks to the many spoiled rotten, lazy ass government fatcats we've funded (at their own behest), these steps have become significant problems that will also need to be rooted out from our society.

That's where I aim my prayers over this problem. We know the Solution, personally. And it's all about applying His Word directly over these temporary circumstances we are seeing.

From: Annony Mouse
02-Feb-18
Interesting to note and consider...all the top players in the septic tank of the FBI and DOJ are political appointees. I doubt if many of the actual field agents will do much to support their corrupt leadership. The stench of Obama's politicization of government needs to be cleansed with full penalty of the law...the ultimate historic perp walk.

The DOJ-FBI Swamp

The FBI at this point is damaged goods. Probing for collusion since the 2016 Presidential election has produced nothing, and the Mueller investigation has gone far afield from the original purpose. The results, contrary to Adam Schiff and other bleating sheep on the mainstream media has been disappointing. What they have come up with so far as nothing more than process crimes of lying to the FBI. Gen. Flynns crimes were even called a “non-event” until FBI Agent Peter Strzok got involved.

Peter Strzok is the main feature of the entire probe. Changing words in an exoneration delivered by James Comey, being in charge of the investigations of Hillary Clinton, (not under Oath and not recorded in any way), Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills who blatantly lied over 200 times and were given immunity, Michael Flynn ( found to have lied to the FBI by entrapment) and overall the catalyst of the Russian probe into President Trump. It is amazing that he found any time for diddling his mistress and sending e mail to her.

It was Peter Strzok who interviewed Mills, Abedin, Clinton and Patrick Kennedy, undersecretary for management for the State Department that all claimed they could not recall the details of the acquisition of Clintons server, nor even how it was set up in a non classified location and used to send and receive highly classified information. All were given immunity by the FBI, led by Peter Strzok and the laptops destroyed.

And what to say about James Comey. Comey was a Clinton sycophant all the way back to his days as a U.S. Attorney. In 1997 the Clintons had made Sandey Berger the National Security Advisor, a representative to the 9/11 commission and has stolen classified information, but was let off with a $50,000 fine and to avoid any explanation of what had been taken. It is interesting to note that it was James Comey, serving as Deputy attorney general who let Sandy Berger, off with that small fine for stealing classified material from the National Archives and the cover up that followed..

It was James Comey when as U.S. Attorney James Comey closed the case of clemency for the Hasidic enclave called “New Square” that members had been accused of having four members convicted of fraud. Hillary visited the community and the case was summarily closed before the New York election that put her in place for her run for President as a public figure who have never lived in the state that made her a Senator.

Andrew McCabe is another member of the Clinton crime syndicate, working with Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, Strzok’s mistress to foment the current insurrection. In March of 2017, McCabe was heard to say to other high ranking FBI agents “ first we fu*k Flynn, and then we fu*k Trump which garnered raucous applause from at least 16 top FBI Officials, as reported in True Pundit. These same FBI personnel are now using “burner disposable phones to stay ahead of the investigation that will be starting, a breach of federal law. Anyone who is found using one of the phones should be summarily dismissed as it is a violation of federal law. McCabe was scheduled to testify in front of the House Intelligence Committee but was held back because of the finding of Bruce Ohr, who worked for McCabe meeting with FusionGPS, and his wife Nellie actually working for Fusion GPS.

Fusion GPS is the Hillary hired opposition research group that developed the phony dossier that started the Mueller probe into Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. A probe which has been largely discredited and is basically a group looking for a crime that doesn’t exist. With the assistance of the media and politicians like Adam Schiff they continue to push the investigation into unrelated areas in search of a crime. Fake News CNN, has been totally discredited, and even Allyson Camerota saying the dossier has “mostly” been verified can’t change the fact that the only portion of the dossier that is true is that Carter Page traveled to Russia to give a speech. CNN partakes in “agit-prop” to do nothing more that to distribute falsehoods as news under cover of once being a reputable news source.

All of this and more has come out in bits and pieces because the DOJ IG has made it available, none of this information came willing from the DOJ or the FBI. It appears that those at the higher echelons consider themselves above the maw, and that the only oversight they need it that which they place upon themselves. They seem to forget that they work for the American people, and the integrity of the rank and file members of the DOJ and the FBI have suffered because of the lies, innuendos, and outright fabrications of the Obama-Hillary sycophants at the top.

So we have come to the point that we are at now. The convenient loss of five months of FBI emails that closely resembles the IRS-Lois Lerner debacle with tapes that were lost for two years. No one has determined whose e mails were “lost” . Was it only Strzok and Pages emails that disappeared, or how many other FBI agents have no way of retrieving information. Why did it take five months until one day after Mueller was named Special Council that the system mysteriously started working again.

Is it a coincidence that the “lost” emails cover the time of the Presidential transition, the firing of the Lying FBI Director James COmey and up until the appointment of a Special Council? There are many people that have answers to questions that many Americans are asking. Everyone from Lisa Page, who worked as the advisor to Andrew McCabe, the Deputy FBI director. The Inspector General needs to fully investigate along with the Congressional Committees just what the “secret Society” that is mentions in the Strzok emails means. There are even rumors that they met “off-site”. What were they planning and who were members of this “secret society”?

And how many of the missing texts can be used to prove that there are contingency plans to cause actual physical harm to the President. A high ranking FBI official has actually confirmed this. The Secret Service under the auspices of DHS needs to investigate this concern, and see how it ties int to the “secret society the Peter Strzok and Lisa page and probably others were discussing. It is time to fully drain the DOJ and FBI swamp, put people in jail and gives the premier law enforcement arm of our government back to the people

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
I'm not an expert in federal criminal law. But here are some issues I see.

First, when you sign a document as an attorney, your signature is an affirmation that after a reasonable amount of investigation, the facts presented are true and correct. And even afterwards, should you find out they are not true and correct, you have a duty to correct.

Second, the hearing before a FISA judge is ex parte, meaning only one side is present. So, you're obligated to present both sides, and any exculpatory evidence, because you don't have an adversary at the adjacent table to challenge your claims.

Third, this was done to conduct a search of a person, which implicates the 4th Amendment prohibition against unreasonable searches and seizures. Relying on unproven or false evidence to obtain a FISA warrant would suggest a violation of Page's civil rights.

Fourth, knowingly submitting a false statement to a judge is perjury. Yes, we all do make mistakes. This is different. There's a different standard for pleadings, but even so, this is a violation of the public trust, even if not a crime.

Under Colorado state law, you can be convicted of the crime of attempting to influence a public official by fraud and deceit. That has been used to convict for submitting an altered version of a prior court order in one case I know of, where an attorney's client did a cut and paste on a prior order. I represented the attorney because there were some serious attorney-client privilege issues that required he be protected. A quick search did not find a federal equivalent.

Fifth, if these people are so freaking dishonest to do this, you can bet your brand new F-350 pickup this is not the only time something like this was done. There are certain pleadings I file that place me, and my client, at risk of a fee award or worse should we be wrong. We don't file them unless we have a licensed professional willing to stake his reputation (not the attorney, but an expert in psychology, for example) that the allegations have a valid basis in fact. An ex parte FISA warrant, where you're not troubled with opposing counsel to keep you honest, that is based upon false or shoddy investigations, may be a violation of the law. I can't imagine it is not an ethical violation for any attorneys who had their fingerprints on this affidavit for FISA warrant.

Federal judges are notoriously serious people. This is a gross betrayal of the public trust.

If we have people in the executive branch filing knowingly deficient requests for FISA warrants, this is a constitutional crisis, whether there are criminal implications or not.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Kevin,

Thanks. Your professional legal opinion is always welcomed amongst the keyboard attorneys we have around her.

My question still remains.

The Nunes memo accuses the FBI of failure to fully disclose all the information about the dossier. Specifically, who paid for it. But it doesn't dispute anything contained in the dossier. Nor does it discredit any other evidence in the application for the warrant, or the subsequent renewals.

So, does that failure of disclosure make the original warrant and renewals illegal, or invalid?

Matt

From: Annony Mouse
02-Feb-18
“Tip of The Iceberg” – The Pending Intelligence Memo is The Beginning, Not The End…

There continue to be questions about the substance behind the pending release of the House Intelligence Committee memo. With that release in mind, today it is worthwhile remembering this is the beginning of exposing the corruption within the DOJ not the end...

For several years the U.S. justice department has maintained an attitude of non-accountability within its ranks. The Obama years elevated that attitude and provided multiple examples of a DOJ gone rogue.

A complicit media enables that attitude by engineering a false narrative the U.S. Justice Department was/is an independent fourth branch of government; unaccountable to congress and entirely separate from the executive branch.

The House Intelligence Memo is simply using the example of currently known FISA abuse to open the door and show the U.S. electorate how corrupt this unaccountable institution has become. Behind that door are very uncomfortable realities for all of those who constructed the weaponized agency; and also those who have benefited from it. (continued at link)

Article (worth reading) concludes:

There are going to be many more revelations as the investigations into the FBI and DOJ continue. Combine that understanding with the pending OIG Horowitz report, and we have only just begun to see how bad this is…

The key aspect to begin restoring a system when it has fallen into the clutches of corruption, is to remove their internal image of unaccountability. The DOJ and FBI are part of the Executive Branch and they are accountable to congressional oversight. We need to constantly remind people of that, and push back against this insufferable media-generated narrative of the DOJ being an independent fourth branch of government.

From: TD
02-Feb-18
I find it interesting that one of the complaints about this memo is that it is a "partisan" memo released for political reasons....... yet the same people have no such issues about using a totally partisan dossier created for purely political reasons as cause to issue a warrant. That our highest law officials knowingly did this...... wow.... heads should roll.

"I was wiretapped!" at the time brought heaps of scorn from many corners, here as well. They all now pretty much should apologize or just shut up and walk away.....

From: Michael
02-Feb-18

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From: JTV
02-Feb-18
Who paid for the Dossier ?? ... Clinton and the DNC and a unnamed #neverTrumper....

Who paid for it? During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

Clinton Campaign and Democratic Party Helped Pay for Russia Trump Dossier After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information.

In October, Mr. Trump said in a Twitter post that his party was outraged at Mrs. Clinton’s involvement.

From: HA/KS
02-Feb-18
"I'm saying no judge in his right mind would issue a warrant based solely on the dossier," That might depend on who appointed the judge.

From: NvaGvUp
02-Feb-18
GG,

For the thousandts' time!

It doesn't matter a whit if the dossier was credible or not!

It only matters that the FBI brought the dossier to the FISA judge, presenting it as evidence, without letting him know it was totally a political document which was paid for by the DNC!

Why do you keep refusing to recognize that??????????

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
GG, the warrant is valid until a subsequent judicial officer declares it to be invalid. That does not mean it was right. I do not know the procedure for invalidating a FISA warrant for false or misleading information.

I'm familiar with a Denver case where the warrant was unverified, and a man was killed when the Denver PD went to the wrong home. He was awakened to people breaking down his door, grabbed a gun and a Denver cop shot and killed him in the dark. His family got several million dollars for that. Remember that case? Hispanic fellow, I think it happened around 2000.

I don't understand why you don't seem to care about ex parte presentations where the court is only told half the truth.

From: Solo
02-Feb-18
Matt, I'd just encourage you to take your time and think about the *facts objectively as they come your way. As time unfolds, I believe you'll get it right. I appreciate your input along the way, as I'm encouraged they will change as time unfolds.

*Hint: Stories have two sides. Facts only have one.

From: HA/KS
02-Feb-18
A guy is driving down the highway obeying all traffic laws. He gets pulled over and the officer says he has a search warrant for the car. He asks what the search is for and is told that they are looking for evidence of poaching.

The search warrant was issued on the basis of a report that the guy had killed a pheasant illegally and had it in the car.

No pheasant is found, but during the search, they guy is asked about some dried green leaves. He tells the cop that it is alfalfa leaves.

Laboratory tests reveal that it is NOT alfalfa, but clover leaves.

He is charged with lying to LE during an investigation.

His attorney discovers that the original warrant was issued because his ex-wife reported the pheasant incident. It was discovered that she was vacationing in Cuba at the time she made the report, so had no way to have actually observed what was alleged and became the basis for the warrant. The cop that asked for the warrant knew this, but still used the perjured information to get the original warrant.

Will the charges stick?

Should the cop be charged?

Should the guy still have to pay alimony?

Is it safe for him to eat the brownies he got in the mail with a Cuba return address?

From: bigeasygator
02-Feb-18
“I don't understand why you don't seem to care about ex parte presentations where the court is only told half the truth.”

It will be interesting to see the minority memo. I think the question is whether the detail about the dossier being opposition research being left out is half of the truth or is it closer to 5% of the truth. Its impossible to say at this point how much the FISA warrant depended on the dossier as only one side of the story is being told now. There are elements about the memo that certainly look bad for the FBI/DOJ, but without the appropriate context and the full suite of information, it’s hard to say how bad it is.

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
Well, since McCabe in testimony, according to several sources, that they would not have gotten the FISA warrant without the dossier, I'm comfortable believing it was an important part of the application. And since that's a statement against interest, it's not hearsay. It sure as hell was not in his best interest to admit that.

From: HA/KS
02-Feb-18
Even more than the FBI/DOJ, it looks bad for obama and clinton and the entire leftist political hierarchy.

From: Michael
02-Feb-18
Devin Nunes answers a few good questions on Bret Baier’s show.

I agree if the public could see the FISA application it would answer a lot of questions.

From: Solo
02-Feb-18

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
Henry, given the facts as you've presented them:

1. No, since the officer knowingly lied on the application, the evidence discovered as a result of the fraudulently obtained warrant is fruit of the poisonous tree. The case on this issue in law school was Wong Sun v. US. 2. He could but probably would be just fired. 3. This is where no fault divorce sucks. 4. Those brownies may be evidence of a federal crime, if they are laced with marijuana. So, he could report the crime, and get his revenge that way.

From: TSI
02-Feb-18
The only reason any of this was discovered is because their boss lost the election to their enemy.

From: JL
02-Feb-18
I too would like to see the minority report. You can then compare it point-to-point with the Nunes report and then make a judgement. Schiff better have some concrete counterpoints otherwise folks will see thru the BS. He has been hanging his hat on the dossier for a long time.

From: Rocky
02-Feb-18
"Its impossible to say at this point how much the FISA warrant depended on the dossier as only one side of the story is being told now". Andy boy himself admitted under questioning and oath and in his own words that the FISA warrant was based upon the dossier. What story are you talking about? The memo was not a story it was a summary. The story is why did the dems and the FBI say that the release of this memo would impact national security? That was a outright lie if you read the memo. What was revealed? Nothing, just like the dems side of their "story". This is the death knell the libs have been fearing and this nightmare is quickly coming to fruition. Let's all re-live the Republican primary, and say a prayer.

The Rock

From: TSI
02-Feb-18

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From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
"GG, the warrant is valid until a subsequent judicial officer declares it to be invalid.

Thanks, Kevin. That answers my question.

Kyle, I wasn't ignoring you. You just haven't made a point worth responding to. Nunes memo exposes a possible failure to disclose information about the dossier. It doesn't invalidate the warrant, or any of the information gathered under the warrant until another Judge says so. That's what I was getting at.

Have a great evening gents. I'm going to shift gears and decide where to park some stock profits before they all dwindle away. I notice Trump hasn't bragged about the raging markets this week.

Matt

From: Solo
02-Feb-18
Yeah, okay. Then go ahead and treat the stock market bullishly while there's a bear at the helm, Matt. Please let us know how that works out for ya.....

From: bad karma
02-Feb-18
GG, but knowing what we know now, I'd expect a FISA judge to be bringing some people into his courtroom quickly and rip them apart so much that they may not be able to tell which one was their original porthole.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Solo,

Thanks for your advice, but I've been managing my own portfolio for 3 decades. I've developed a pretty good sense for when to take profits or let them ride. I personally think this correction still has legs, so I'm going bearish for a while.

Matt

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Kevin,

We certainly agree on that. Thanks, again.

Matt

From: Solo
02-Feb-18
So you believe the market's heading down awhile. Okay....

From: Grey Ghost
02-Feb-18
Yes I do. If I'm wrong, I'm fine with missing out on a few percentage points. At this stage of my life, I'm more concerned about preserving what I have than making it grow.

Matt

From: brunse
03-Feb-18
BK and other knowledgeable contributors:

What can a fisa(fisc) judge accomplish by addressing the lawyers pleading for the warrant?

Will the judges likely be identified publicly?

Is it a correct assumption that the fisa (fisc)judges were appointed rather than elected?

Is their any chance the whole story will ever be released to a degree allowing the public to know if the judges acted appropriately with the information they were presented?

Thank you

From: JTV
03-Feb-18
The FBI relied heavily on the dubious Steele dossier, as well as a Yahoo! News article based on the salacious document, to obtain a surveillance warrant against a Trump campaign adviser prior to the 2016 election, according to an explosive but controversial memo approved for release by the White House on Friday.

The memo, which was crafted by House Republicans, also says that the FBI’s deputy director, Andrew McCabe, told Congress that a FISA warrant against the campaign adviser, Carter Page, would not have been granted without use of the dossier. That despite the FBI later determining that very little of the Democrat-funded document was corroborated.

And in another stunning revelation, the memo asserts that Justice Department official Bruce Ohr was used to pass information from the author of the dossier, Christopher Steele, to the DOJ.

Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, worked at the time for Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm research firm that commissioned the dossier. Bruce Ohr, who worked closely with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and Rod Rosenstein, passed his wife’s opposition research on Trump to the FBI, the memo says.

The memo also says that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who wrote the dossier, told Ohr during a meeting prior to the election that he desperately wanted to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.

Steele at one point told Ohr that he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”

“A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves,” President Trump said Friday, shortly after the White House sent the memo to the House Intelligence Committee for release to the public.

It’s already been widely reported that the dossier was used by government officials to justify a spy warrant against Page, a 46-year-old energy consultant who joined the Trump campaign in March 2016.

But the memo reveals that the FISA application “extensively” cited an Sept. 23, 2016 news article that was in effect planted by Fusion GPS.

That is significant because the article, written by veteran reporter Michael Isikoff, is itself based on the unverified dossier. Isikoff was among a small group of reporters who in September 2016 was briefed on the dossier by Steele and Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson.

A private investigator who knows both Steele and Isikoff told The Daily Caller last year that the pair are good friends, having been fixtures of the Washington, D.C. journalism circuit for decades.

The FISA application made no mention of the link between the Isikoff article and the dossier. Instead, the article was treated as corroborating evidence for the dossier. The memo says that the FISA application “incorrectly assesse[d]” that the Isikoff article was based on information separate from the dossier.

“That’s truly insane,” Page told TheDC on Friday about the Isikoff article’s link to the FISA.

Page, who is suing Yahoo! over the article, said that he “look(s) forward to updating my pending legal action” in the case to include the allegations from the memo.

The FISA warrant against Page was granted by a judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on Oct. 21, 2016, shortly after Page left the Trump campaign. In order to obtain the warrant, FBI and Justice Department officials had to convince the judge that there was probable cause to believe that Page was acting as an agent of Russia.

The FISA warrant on Page likely included additional information beyond the dossier and the Isikoff article. Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013 when he was approached by members of a Russian spy ring for recruitment. He claims he was not recruited and that he cooperated with the FBI in that case.

News articles are sometimes used in FISA applications. The New York Times recently noted that articles can be cited to convince a judge that a surveillance target may begin concealing their activities after become the focus of news coverage.

While Steele and Simpson met with reporters from The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The New Yorker as well, Isikoff was the only journalist initially briefed on the dossier to publish an article based on the document.

The memo says that Perkins Coie, the Clinton campaign law firm that hired Fusion GPS, hosted a meeting with Simpson, Steele and reporters.

That would appear to conflict with reporting about Marc Elias, the Perkins Coie lawyer who served as general counsel for the Clinton campaign and DNC. Though Elias was who set up the deal with Fusion GPS, CNN reported in October that a source familiar with the project said that Elias was not involved in pitching the media on behalf of Fusion GPS.

Elias did not respond to a request for comment on that potential discrepancy.

Isikoff’s report did not identify Steele or refer to a Democrat-funded dossier. Instead, it laid out Steele’s allegations about Page and reported that U.S. law enforcement officials were investigating the campaign adviser’s contacts with Russians.

The article quoted an unnamed U.S. law enforcement official confirming that investigators were looking into the allegations about Page.

“It’s on our radar screen. It’s being looked at,” the unidentified source told Isikoff.

Isikoff’s article, which was touted in a Clinton campaign press release after publication, cited claims from a memo Steele wrote on July 19, 2016. It alleges that during a well-publicized trip to Moscow earlier that month, Page met secretly with two Kremlin insiders, Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin. The dossier also alleges that Page worked with former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort as part of a “well-developed conspiracy” with Russians to influence the election.

Page has denied ever meeting Sechin, Diveykin or Manafort and refers to Steele’s report as the “dodgy dossier.”

No evidence has emerged validating the claims made about Page in the dossier. The Republican memo says that FBI counterintelligence chief Bill Priestap has said that an investigation into the dossier’s veracity was in its “infancy” when it was used in the FISA application.

**During a Senate hearing last June, Comey called the dossier “salacious and unverified.” **

****The memo also says that McCabe told the House Intelligence Committee in December that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.” ****

Simpson, the Fusion GPS founder, has also been unable to offer evidence to corroborate any of the dossier’s allegations during interviews with congressional committees investigating Russian interference in the election.

Isikoff’s article has caused some confusion among reporters and pundits, as it has often been cited as independent confirmation of Steele’s dossier. It only became clear last April that Isikoff’s article was based on the document when Steele submitted court filings in London, where he is being sued. In the document, Steele said he was directed by Fusion GPS to brief reporters on his Trump investigation.

The memo also focuses heavily on McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s involvement in obtaining FISA warrants against Page.

The memo says that Rosenstein signed off on one renewal for the Page warrant shortly after taking office in April. McCabe, who abruptly quit as FBI No. 2 earlier this week, signed off on one application, and James Comey okayed three applications when he served as FBI Director. On the Justice Department side, then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates and then-Acting Deputy Attorney General Dan Boente also approved warrant applications.

Critics of the memo have expressed concern with Rosenstein’s prominence in the document. They say that President Trump might use the information to fire Rosenstein in order to clear a path to remove Special Counsel Robert Mueller from the Russia investigation.

Steele’s relationship with the FBI regarding Trump began in July 2016, shortly after he begin investigating the Republican. The ex-spy reached out to an FBI contact on July 5 to provide a briefing of his findings. He met with FBI agents again in Rome in early October and was told that he would be paid if he could corroborate other findings in the dossier.

The FBI never paid Steele, and according to the memo, the bureau “suspended and then terminated” him as a source because he violated the bureau’s rules against leaks to the media.

Steele was a direct source for Mother Jones reporter David Corn. Corn, who is co-writing a book with Yahoo’s Isikoff, published an article on Oct. 31, 2016 in which he quoted Steele anonymously and revealed details of the dossier.

The Republican memo asserts that Steele violated one of the FBI’s “cardinal rules” and had demonstrated that he was a “less than reliable” source for the bureau.

The memo provides another new detail about Page’s FISA warrant. The document says that the application mentions information regarding former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos. (RELATED: Revelations From Glenn Simpson’s House Intel Interview)

While on the campaign, Papadopoulos was in contact with a London-based professor who claimed in April 2016 to have learned that the Russian government obtained Clinton-related emails. The date is significant because it was not publicly known at the time that Russian operatives had hacked Democrats. In May 2016, Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat named Alexander Downer about the information he had received from the professor.

Downer relayed the information to his associates in July 2016, and the FBI was informed about the conversation later that month. The memo notes that the Papadopoulos information “triggered” the FBI investigation into possible Trump campaign collusion.

*****It says that there is no evidence that Page and Papadopoulos engaged in a conspiracy. Page has told TheDC that he interacted infrequently with Papadopoulos during the campaign....... From the Daily Caller 2-2-2018

From: Sixby
03-Feb-18
GG: just Nunes cherry picked portion. just Nunes cherry picked portion. Is three the charm? That is how many times you have said cherry picked/ You should use it more. The MSM has said cherry picked about 20, 000 times today. Its all you got. Not innacurate, Not that it does not all point to the same conclusion , that the Dems and FBI misled the FISA court and McCabe said that without the Document there would have been no FISA Warrant. Simple facts escape people with and agenda/ I suspect that you may be getting Democrat talking points in your email. Especially since every reporter and Democrat supporter is selling the Cherry picking . Tell us how that all works/

God bless, steve

From: bigeasygator
03-Feb-18
Again, I’d like to hear from the other side. The Dems have said that McCabe quote is taken out of context and the FBI has called the memo inaccurate, so I’ll reserve judgement until I hear their version of events. I could still see a scenario whereby elements of the dossier are corroborated and verified to the point that it really wouldn’t matter what the origin of the dossier was. Nothing about the memo suggests anything about the dossier was wrong. There’s a difference between something being unverified and being false - and to my knowledge I have yet to see anything that suggests any of the dossier is false. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Based on what I’ve read, the FISA process is rigorous and not a check the box exercise and that judges tend to view FISA warrant applications with a fair bit of skepticism until convinced otherwise. If that is indeed the case, and if the dossier was basically “all they had” so to speak, I struggle to believe that a federal judge wouldn’t have known to a high degree the quality of the source upon which the application was based.

So certainly things look sloppy, but no one really knows how sloppy, or how nefarious (if at all). As for the broader Obama/Clinton conspiracy, I don’t see anything at all from the memo that implicates them. For the conspiracy narrative to hold any water, one would have to believe that officials appointed by a Republican president, including one confirmed by a Republican Senate, were part of a plot to bring down that same Republican president, and that they successfully hoodwinked FISA judges selected by the Republican-appointed chief justice of the United States. I don’t see that being the case.

From: zeke
03-Feb-18
Maybe someone, perhaps BK, can inform me and maybe all of us. Is colusion with the Russians against the law? I agree it is not something good in a politician. Did the US not conspire against the Prime Minister of Israel in their last election? I admit I know little about the law, but I have heard that the Mueller is investigating something that if proven true is not a violation of law, only a violation of ethics. If his investigation of ethics is used lies and half truths is that not ironic.

From: Rocky
03-Feb-18
BEG, Do yourself a favor. The quote as a whole" the FISA warrant would not have been issued without the dossier" and justify in any terms the intention and meaning of that phrase. The "other" side is "the FISA warrant would not have been issued without the dossier" but.......but what?

The Rock

From: gflight
03-Feb-18
"I know why hucksters and charlatans target right wingers. You're a bunch of suckers."

I know why hucksters and charlatans target left wingers. You're a bunch of suckers.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
BEG,

Good post. You've come to the same conclusions I have.

Matt

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
Brunse,, FISA judges are appointed by the chief justice. No federal judicial officers are elected. I don't see a list of them, Because of the nature of FISA warrants, they're on call, and I suspect, culled from a list of fed judges in the DC metro area and perhaps a bit beyond. Perhaps there's some stuff done electronically,, I just do not know. This is a secret court, and so, much of what it does and how it is done is also secret.

Incidentally, FISA courts originated in 1978.

If the FISA procedure was rigorous, there'd be more applications rejected than the numbers I'm reading. Around 1 of 200, or so..... Think about t his. 99.5% of the time, they get the go ahead for surveillance?

Here's Glenn Greenwald's take on the oversight:

According to The Guardian, "The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants".[37] Glenn Greenwald, who published details of the PRISM surveillance program, explained:

that this entire process is a fig leaf, "oversight" in name only. It offers no real safeguards. That's because no court monitors what the NSA is actually doing when it claims to comply with the court-approved procedures. Once the Fisa court puts its approval stamp on the NSA's procedures, there is no external judicial check on which targets end up being selected by the NSA analysts for eavesdropping. The only time individualized warrants are required is when the NSA is specifically targeting a US citizen or the communications are purely domestic. When it is time for the NSA to obtain Fisa court approval, the agency does not tell the court whose calls and emails it intends to intercept. It instead merely provides the general guidelines which it claims are used by its analysts to determine which individuals they can target, and the Fisa court judge then issues a simple order approving those guidelines. The court endorses a one-paragraph form order stating that the NSA's process "'contains all the required elements' and that the revised NSA, FBI and CIA minimization procedures submitted with the amendment 'are consistent with the requirements of [50 U.S.C. § 1881a(e)] and with the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States'". As but one typical example, The Guardian has obtained an August 19, 2010, Fisa court approval from Judge John D. Bates which does nothing more than recite the statutory language in approving the NSA's guidelines.

Once the NSA has this court approval, it can then target anyone chosen by their analysts, and can even order telecoms and internet companies to turn over to them the emails, chats and calls of those they target. The Fisa court plays no role whatsoever in reviewing whether the procedures it approved are actually complied with when the NSA starts eavesdropping on calls and reading people's emails. The guidelines submitted by the NSA to the Fisa court demonstrate how much discretion the agency has in choosing who will be targeted. ... The only oversight for monitoring whether there is abuse comes from the executive branch itself: from the DOJ and Director of National Intelligence, which conduct "periodic reviews ... to evaluate the implementation of the procedure". At a hearing before the House Intelligence Committee Tuesday afternoon, deputy attorney general James Cole testified that every 30 days, the Fisa court is merely given an "aggregate number" of database searches on US domestic phone records. ... The decisions about who has their emails and telephone calls intercepted by the NSA is made by the NSA itself, not by the Fisa court, except where the NSA itself concludes the person is a US citizen and/or the communication is exclusively domestic. But even in such cases, the NSA often ends up intercepting those communications of Americans without individualized warrants, and all of this is left to the discretion of the NSA analysts with no real judicial oversight.[39]

Back to my comments: I'm not sure what the actual FISA judge can do. I think the remedy is likely coming from another source. They can certainly ban anyone who is not considered credible from their courtroom. I've seen that done. They can also refer people for sanctions against their license.

Zeke, I know of no crime in the state or federal laws called collusion. But that word is frequently used, where I think conspiracy would be more appropriate, as in a conspiracy to circumvent campaign laws. A conspiracy is an agreement to break the law, coupled with some actions in furtherance of the conspiracy. You and, say, GG, could agree to rob a bank. But to prove a crime, something other than just agreement needs to happen, like GG going to the bank with a hidden camera and photographing the layout, for example.

I don't watch Hannity. I think he oversells his stories. But I do practice law, and have grave concerns about what the Obama administration was doing with the FBI and DOJ. It's funny, but I'm not hearing anyone on the left complaining about invasion of privacy.....or abuse of power.....

Look at what happened here. The Obama admin used the FISA court to start surveillance against a nobody in the Trump campain based on a political hit piece. But the FISA warrant allows the scope of the surveillance to spread to anyone he speaks to, their emails and phone calls. It shouldn't take too many iterations before the surveillance gets to Kevin Bacon.

From: bigeasygator
03-Feb-18
Rocky, I’m going off of a number of reports regarding Democrats familiar with this statement. They are saying it is not an accurate characterization of his testimony - I don’t know if that means he was misquoted (doubt it) or that there’s additional context that gives that quote a different meaning (which is more likely). I can think of reasons why that might be the case, but without all of the information and the other side’s story at this point it’s purely conjecture. Again, that’s why the American public should be able to hear from the other side and be allowed to make up their minds after both sides of the story are told.

From: Tonybear61
03-Feb-18
Sounds like atheist IS Hillary or Bill..

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
These are the same Democrats who lied about the national security damage that supposedly would be caused by releasing the Nunes memo. If you read the memo, there's nothing in it that compromises sources or methods of investigation. No credible person would make that case. Anyone that claimed otherwise is not to be believed.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
I agree, Kevin, both sides tried to oversell the significance of this memo. Which tells me it's just political vomit-ball, as usual.

It is ironic that the right is trying to discredit a FISA system they created while the left is defending it. Roles have certainly reversed in that regard.

Matt

From: Rocky
03-Feb-18
bk...and there it is and will lay.

BEG, Politicians are masters of the universe, speaking in complete novels and never saying a meaningful word. I say release EVERYTHING not classified. The result would be Washington would not have a enough diplomats to field a dart team, but bring it on.

The Rock

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
GG, the FISA courts originated in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, during the Carter years.

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18

bad karma's Link
Here's a Wikipedia link, which has some good information, and a list of the judges, current and former.

Yes, Wikipedia can be tweaked. But for information that has a link to the documents from which the opinion is based, it's a lot more reliable.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
"GG, the FISA courts originated in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, during the Carter years."

Kevin,

That's true. But didn't the Patriot Act expand on the FBI's authority to search and compile telephone, emails, financial records, etc...without a court order, for the purpose of "foreign intelligence information"? And isn't that the crux of what we are discussing, or at least a large part of it?

Matt

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
It was always expansive, and yes, it got worse later. But to be fair, that wasn't a solely Republican vote for approval.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
That's true also. But, I recall a strong opposition to the Patriot Act by the left, who claimed it was a further violation of 4th amendment rights, while the right defended it as necessary for national security in the wake of 9/11. In fact, we had a number of spirited debates on this very subject, here, when the Patriot act was introduced. I was in the minority of people who opposed it.

Matt

From: JTV
03-Feb-18
Funny that at one time the Dems called for transparency, and then they were against it.. all the stupid claims they made against bringing this memo to light were not there... typical .... all political rhetoric... Americans looked at the memo and saw abuse of the FISA by the FBI/DOJ/Obama administration and see the scandal and conspiracy with Clinton/DNC at the head of it. this is where there is a "there there"..... this conspiracy will shake this country to its core....... the typical hand wavers/deniers (ie: dweebs) on here have once again proven to show themselves to be the partisian hacks they are ... they have embarrassed themselves. Every bit as much as the Left/Dems did yesterday blowing this revelation of crime off ..... Thank god we have those that see this as the conspiracy and scandal that it is.... some here, same as the TV Dems, will never be able to see the truth nor the light of the truth 'cause their heads are buried so far up their friggin asses ...

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
GG, if you'll recall, I was one that also predicted abuses, and that it would be reigned in. But at the time it was passed, I knew that an overreaction would occur. That's what politicians in the pay per click era do.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
As usual, Kevin, we agree on far more points than not.

Matt

From: Beendare
03-Feb-18
Whats going to be interesting is in 4-6 months from now. So far we have only heard from the political appointees. Now we have a situation where the rank and file FBI and Gov employees can come forward without having to worry about the stinky politicos shutting them down-

Oh this is going to be good! And there is enough of an indication the State dept was dirty as well so the investigation will include them- YES!

My predictions; 1) The rank and file FBI /DOJ employees will want everyone to know; its only the top brass thats corrupted. 2)there will be incontrovertible evidence that the FBI/ DOJ was weaponized to play politics. 3) The state dept will be nailed for the same playing politics....Clinton Foundation will be shut down.....but Hillary will skate since she ran the dirty tricks stuff through law firms.

4) new legislation will be enacted stating the feds can go after law firms and they can't hide behind client privilege if the evidence points to illegal act.

From: BowSniper
03-Feb-18
The FISA process as a whole doesn't have to be bad, to have this one particular case be an abuse of power. This case can stand alone. Like Watergate where Nixon operatives broke into the offices of the political opposition... this time Hillary supporters exploited the FISA system to spy on her political opponent. Using evidence that was not really evidence, supported by a Yahoo news story narrated by the same guy to support the non-evidence. And according to Steele himself, for the purpose of stopping Trump from becoming president!

From: bad karma
03-Feb-18
There's no oversight to FISA. And so, it's an easy thing to abuse. So, Congress needs to roll up their sleeves and find a way to manage this.

From: TD
03-Feb-18
If I recall then the Patriot Act was enacted there were a great many conservatives against it. Constitutional ones under constitutional fears.

From: Squash
03-Feb-18
My prediction, we will be debating this issue a year from now, and won’t be any closer to the truth or conviction of any law breakers.

From: Grey Ghost
03-Feb-18
"If I recall then the Patriot Act was enacted there were a great many conservatives against it. Constitutional ones under constitutional fears."

Not in Congress. Only 3 House and 0 Senate republicans voted nay. There were 62 House and 1 Senate democrats that voted nay. Overall it passed easily, which I thought was a shame.

Matt

From: BowSniper
03-Feb-18
There is a legitimate purpose for the Patriot act and FISA courts. Spying on the political opposition in collusion with one political party is NOT it.

From: Beendare
03-Feb-18
Well. looking at this objectively; Mueller has indicted Flynn, Papadapolous and the Manafort

[B]Flynn[/B] for lying to the FBI and it doesn't appear to be anything important

[B]Papa[/B] was a wanna be...heck he lied on his FB and Linked in pages to make himself look important. Well he fooled someone to get into the Trump circle if even for a short time. Bit player- nothing there

[B]Manafort[/B] now this guys picture pops up when you do a google search for 'swamp creatures'. He is as slimy as it gets. Connected to Trump for about 5 mo...and ever since they have been distancing themselves from him. Does he have anything connecting Trump to Russians? If so, I think it would have come out by now..but Manafort is dirty. Good article on him; [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-paul-manafort-and-why-is-he-at-the-center-of-the-trump-russia-probe-2017-3"]http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-paul-manafort-and-why-is-he-at-the-center-of-the-trump-russia-probe-2017-3[/URL]

Could Trump be trying to muddy the waters on any dirt Mueller has? Its possible...but right now it appears the State dept/ FBI/ DOJ played politics colluding against him....

From: Annony Mouse
03-Feb-18

Annony Mouse's Link
Chuck Grassley Memo Comes Next – Question Surrounds FBI Knowledge of Steele Shopping Dossier To Media…

From: Annony Mouse
03-Feb-18
FBI Warns Republican Memo Could Undermine Faith In Massive, Unaccountable Government Secret Agencies

Applying Dan Rather’s “fake but accurate” standard of journalism, FBI Director Christopher Wray is fictionally quoted as follows:

“Making this memo public will almost certainly impede our ability to conduct clandestine activities operating outside any legal or judicial system on an international scale. …If we take away the people’s faith in this shadowy monolith exempt from any consequences, all that’s left is an extensive network of rogue, unelected intelligence officers carrying out extrajudicial missions…”

Moonbats like Adam Schiff screamed so loud to suppress the memo because like the media, the federal government’s permanent bureaucracy is a subsidiary of the Democrat Party.

(note: The Onion) ;o)

From: JTV
03-Feb-18
Beendare .. APPEARS ?? ... no, it is now fact that the upper echelons of the FBI/DOJ/Clinton/DNC put out a fake dossier, and then the FBI/DOJ used that fake dossier to use FISA to SPY on Americans ..... this whole thing stinks to high heaven ... The FNM is also complicit in this by the continuing narrative of Trump/Russia collusion, when it is now shown it is Clinton/FBI/DOJ-Russia collusion.... this is only the beginning, and the f'n dems will cry the whole way to the gallows ....

From: freeglee
03-Feb-18
Nothing Burger Delixe with cheese!!!!!

Quit deflection and games playing??!!!!

Impeach Trump NOW!!!!!

From: JTV
03-Feb-18
Freefruity is back, never once has it typed a coherent sentence ... Impeach for what ? ... You are the illegitimate child of Maxine Waters arnt you ... dweeb ..

From: Michael
03-Feb-18

Michael's embedded Photo
Michael's embedded Photo

From: HA/KS
03-Feb-18
If Watergate was $.02 worth of slime, this (what we know so far) is at least $1,000.00 worth of slime.

Has the FBI/DOJ objected to the release of the democrat version of the memo?

If not, that is proof that both FBI and DOJ are invested in this for political reasons only, not for protection of national interests.

I believe that the dems version of the memo should go through the same vetting process as the republican version and be released (barring actual harm to what should be kept secret).

04-Feb-18
You or I, jail don’t pass go...Hillary and the others, Teflon!

From: TD
04-Feb-18
GG, I said conservatives...... not congressmen.......

From: Atheist
04-Feb-18
In August '13, Carter Page bragged he was a Kremlin advisor—two and a half months before Trump traveled to Moscow and met with Kremlin agents. Page would mysteriously appear on Trump's NatSec team in January '16. Are the two facts connected? You decide. He had ZERO experience on any campaigns but there he was hired by trump. Here's what's stunning , the FBI meets with Page in June 2013 and says the Russians are trying to recruit you as a spy. Page doesn’t respond. Two months, he claims on recordings, to be a Kremlin advisor.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18

JTV's embedded Photo
I am Paul Zeidan... I approve of all the illegal activities and the spying the Obama Administration did on the Trump campaign and the associates of such..... i am a F'n dweeb of the most hideous kind .....
JTV's embedded Photo
I am Paul Zeidan... I approve of all the illegal activities and the spying the Obama Administration did on the Trump campaign and the associates of such..... i am a F'n dweeb of the most hideous kind .....
2/4/2018 'theist still typing like he dosnt know crap ....dweeb

From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
atheist. Not too long ago, you were spouting off to us about letting mueller finish his investigation, on Trump. How come you don't want the memo to get investigated, at least looked into???? Oh, and by the way, you are a Liar and a Fraud. 8^)))

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
Let me see if I understand this. Carter Page is supposedly a Russian agent, and this has been known since at least 2013 by the FBI. Yet, in five years, he has not been indicted for being an agent of a foreign country. And, the FBI, "knowing" he is a foreign agent, and supposedly having the facts to back it up, goes to the FISA court with a request for surveillance on Page based on the Steele dossier. There just is not enough peyote in Arizona for that explanation to make sense.

What does make sense is that the FBI was used, at its highest levels, to be a political investigation arm of the Obama administration for the Hillary campaign. If the FBI can obtain a FISA search warrant, to tap every phone call, email, text, and those you communicate with, based upon an unverified political hit piece, the 4th Amendment means nothing.

Anyone not concerned about this is in the too stupid to live category.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
Oh, and the standard to get a FISA warrant is not to simply claim that a person may be a foreign agent, but that the person must already be "engaged in clandestine activities for or on behalf of a foreign entity." Not kinda sorta maybe, or being a "Kremlin advisor" or any of that other dishonest nonsense spewed by serial liars.

The law does not allow the FBI to call an American an "agent of a foreign power" unless they can show the person "knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power" AND the nature of their activity is criminalized.

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/959533952183631872

From: Grey Ghost
04-Feb-18
"Let me see if I understand this. Carter Page is supposedly a Russian agent..."

Has the FBI stated they "knew" Page was a Russian agent since 2013, or just suspected so? Your whole premise is based on the answer to that. I suspect some these type cases could take years to compile enough evidence for a indictment. No?

Also, aren't you assuming the dossier was the only piece of evidence used to obtain the warrant? Do we know that for fact?, Or did the FBI have 3 years worth of other evidence including the dossier.

Another thing. Has anyone actually disproven the information in the dossier? The focus seems to be on who paid for it, not on the accuracy of it. All I've read is that is was "unverified" at the time that it was submitted as evidence.

Matt

From: longbowbud
04-Feb-18
of course BK you are right. The dumbshit analist, I mean atheist, knows that. He is just tweaking you all to get a rise out of everyone. The liberals will just continue to throw up smokescreens and hang on to the stupid theories until the elections. It is the basis for all this crap, power.

Until they get it back and all is right in their f`d up world, we are going to have to endure the bs.

Just imagine if Trump was president and did this same thing to Osama when he was running, the world would stop and heads would roll.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
GG, the FBI must "know" a person is a foreign agent to get a FISA warrant. It's not enough to suspect it. That's the standard.

And in a FISA hearing, given that it's the most secretive court in the nation, you can't just walk in with unverified information to get a FISA warrant. It requires independent confirmation of the claims.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
Yes. The true test of the partisans is reverse the parties and see if they're upset.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
And not to defend Carter Page here, but one can be an agent of a foreign government, but not be a national security threat. For example, if one is assisting Russia with trade with, say, importing Vodka, one is an agent of Russia, and must register as such. To fail to register is a crime. But that's not a national security issue, and not sufficient to take it to the FISA courts.

From: Grey Ghost
04-Feb-18
Kevin, so do we know everything the FBI presented to the FISA court on Page? I'm thinking not.

Also, my question remains about the voracity of the dossier. Even Nunes memo doesn't dispute the information in the dossier, it merely alleges failure to fully disclose.

Matt

From: Michael
04-Feb-18

Michael's Link

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
Help me connect a few of the dots, bk. The memo itself says the counterintelligence investigation was kicked off in July regarding statements George Papadopoulos made (reported by an Australian diplomat). Could the “new” investigation not have generated information or intelligence that ultimately resulted in the FISA application?

Also, wouldn’t the above standard suggest they had a lot on Page and the subsequent renewals also suggest that they were continuing to prove probable cause? Seems to me that all of the information left out of the memo might indeed show exactly that Page was knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power and that it was criminal, could it not?

With regards to the wiretapping and trying to influence the election, I don’t know how fast these things work. But the approval was obtained less than three weeks before the election. That doesn’t seem like much time to me to gather meaningful intelligence and, ultimately, make it public if your goal is to impact the election.

Just asking questions.

From: brunse
04-Feb-18
Thank you BK got the reply.

So a broad likely overreaching law is passed and judges sign away? Just “doing their job”

Thus, further degrading my opinion of our current political system of loading politically active judges. Not all but enough to push adgendas.

From: Thumper
04-Feb-18
Looking like the LWL Democrats are in total denial this morning. ROTFLMAO

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
As usual, with a wave of his hand, GG schluff's this off ... GG would be a good sit in host when Joe Schmo and Mika arent on ..... as said earlier, the dems/libs on here would be FULL DENIAL mode after this came out... again I was correct .... something GG seldom is ..

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
GG, the issue is not whether or not all or part of the information in the Steele dossier at some later date is found to be true. The issue is, when presenting it to the FISA court as they did, whether they knew, or had reasonable belief to know after a thorough investigation, it was true. If not, they had an obligation to disclose the uncertainty of the information in detail to the court. A reasonable investigation would have included, for example, an investigation as to how that Yahoo article came about. Instead, it was Steele promoting his own dossier to Yahoo, not independent corroboration.

Remember, we're talking about an extremely high level of surveillance on a person, which except for this supposedly limited exception, is a clear 4th amendment violation. This is for prevention of the next big terrorist attack, not for some routine criminal activity.

And stop for a moment and think about this. This is the freaking FBI. IF they're investigating a paper crime, they'll have an army of agents checking sources, generating FD302 reports, getting documents, etc. That's not what was done here.

In a part of my practice, I can get ex parte orders. With a motion to restrict parenting time, I can get an order prohibiting a parent from seeing his/her child until a hearing within 14 days by alleging that the parent's contact with the child places the child at imminent risk of physical or emotional harm. I get the order automatically. But I'd better have a police report alleging serious harm, or a psychologist ready to testify before filing, or I'm risking a fee award against me or my client. I had that issue once, and refused to file because my client could not provide independent corroboration of the story. My client fired me because I would not file it. Three months later, there was a $13,000 fee award entered against him. (And no, he never called to apologize.)

BEG, if a new investigation uncovered facts warranting a FISA investigation, they would undoubtedly have disclosed them in the subsequent applications. IT would have been to their benefit to do so. I'll presume that smart career prosecutors will add things if the new information benefits their case. But that's not what happened here. And for Page, no, the standard is that they have to have PC that he is acting in a clandestine manner on behalf of a foreign entity AND the acts are criminal in nature to ask the FISA court to conduct surveillance. You don't get to use a FISA warrant to find probable cause. You get a FISA warrant after you have probable cause and you're using it to investigate/prevent criminal activity. (I'm using that term rather than terrorism because even financing terrorist activities would fit this.)

When you have government officials deceiving a federal disttrict judge, not once, but four times, to conduct partisan political activity, it's a serious problem. Reverse the parties and tell me whether you'd be okay with Trump having the FBI go do the same thing to, say, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris and whatever other person they think might be a 2020 candidate. If you're honest with yourself, you'd have to say it's wrong in both cases.

From: Grey Ghost
04-Feb-18
Without seeing the entire FISA application in which the dossier was part of, and the subsequent information used to get the renewals , I don't think anyone can honestly say whether the warrant on Page was valid, or not.

I caught Hugh Hewitt on the tube this morning. He spent 2 years reviewing hundreds of FISA applications for 2 attorneys generals. He said the material omissions on the Page warrant certainly hurts the FBI's status with the FISA courts, but it won't change anything with respect to the special council investigation on Russian meddling.

So, the memo doesn't appear to be the bomb shell that the right sold it as. Nor was releasing it a national security risk as the left claimed. Nor does it vindicate Trump as he claims. Political vomitball as usual.

Matt

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
I think it is a bomb shell, in that it shows the justice department was used for political means in an election. It doesn't affect other parts of the Russian investigation.

And I'm disappointed you can't, or won't, see that.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18

JTV's Link
for the dead heads that STILL havnt read the memo ..

From: Grey Ghost
04-Feb-18
Kevin, forgive me for placing more confidence in the opinions of a attorney who spent 2 years reviewing hundreds of FISA applications than yours.

Certainly no offense intended.

Matt

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
And you repeatedly miss the point. I give up.

From: Rhody
04-Feb-18
He didn't disagree with Hugh Hewitt, he disagreed with you as to weather it is a serious matter or not.

From: Atheist
04-Feb-18
Being a foreign agent is not alone a crime. Joining trumps team as they are being investigated for Russian ties is certainly suspicious enough to be investigated. So let me get this straight now. They claim it's the FBI's fault that the Trump Campaign and employees were making deals with the Kremlin? Who forced trumps team to lie about Russian contacts?

From: Annony Mouse
04-Feb-18
From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
atheist. You can stop all your crying by showing us PROOF of Trump - Russia Collusion. So lets see your proof.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
once again for the dweebs and the dead heads that infest this place... THERE IS NO THERE THERE ...

From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
atheist. It is really easy to see that the dems are trying to control the next election, with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Seems you haven't figured that out yet, on purpose of course. russia, democrats, obama, hillary, putin, they are all the same.

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-18
Mouse, the answer to all 9 questions may be because he was acting on orders from obama

From: elkmtngear
04-Feb-18
"Russian Contacts"...oh, you mean the Russian Ambassador, whose job it is to talk to people in D.C.? The guy who has "spoken words" with practically everyone on both sides of the aisle?

Keep reaching, dips**t !

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
“But that's not what happened here. And for Page, no, the standard is that they have to have PC that he is acting in a clandestine manner on behalf of a foreign entity AND the acts are criminal in nature to ask the FISA court to conduct surveillance. You don't get to use a FISA warrant to find probable cause. You get a FISA warrant after you have probable cause and you're using it to investigate/prevent criminal activity.”

Sorry if I’m not totally following, bk. Without the entire application, how do you know that’s not what happened here?

Given the standard you laid out above, it would seem they had a lot more on Page than an unverified dossier. It would also seem that new information confirming the original suspicions and probable cause was obtained prior to each extension, or else three extensions wouldn’t have been granted. If the proper standards were followed, is this not true?

From: Michael
04-Feb-18

Michael's Link
This interview helps in gaining some answers.

I highly doubt the american people will ever see the FISA application. So we must rely on those who have seen it.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
BEG, sorry, McCabe's testimony before Congress about the dossier being the basis for the FISA warrant answers your question. And Comey calling it "salacious and unverified" doesn't help, either.

From: Amoebus
04-Feb-18
"Far worse than Watergate"?

I think you meant to type " Far worse than Waterworld". And I agree, the memo is slightly worse than that awful movie.

From: Annony Mouse
04-Feb-18
Too bad this does not have pictures and written at the "Dick and Jane" level of comprehension as it is unlikely that the likes of Atheist (Paul Zeidan--and his other guises such as Ryan from Boone) and others of similar comprehension abilities, but this does answer many of the comments made about this document.

House Intel Committee Responds to Democrat-Media Talking Points: HPSCI (PDF)

FISA MEMO: CHARGE AND RESPONSE

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
Got it. The assessment is based on one statement from McCabe for which we do not have the full transcript and for which the other side says is taken out of context. Could there not be a scenario where elements of the dossier were corroborated with other intelligence and information, even as the remainder (or even bulk) of the document was unverified? I could see that scenario leading to that exact statement from McCabe and, with context, not being nearly as scandalous as it is being made out to be. With regards to Comey’s testimony, there’s a difference between saying the whole dossier is garbage and saying parts of it are “salacious and unverified.” When you go back and read his testimony, it’s pretty clear he was saying the latter.

Again, I’ll be interested in seeing what the other side has to say. It still doesn’t explain withholding the source of the funding of the dossier, though I’ve read reports that the FISA court did know it was an opposition research piece. We’ll see...or maybe we won’t.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
I suspect you're hoping for that. But even if so, that does not explain why, after Comey said the dossier was salacious and unverified, it was used in subsequent FISA filings. Nor is it easy to see how that would be out of context. All of these senior people and not one brought up this stuff to the court? You do realize that even junior lawyers know better than this, right?

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-18

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: Iktomi
04-Feb-18
Color me skeptical. I trust the wingnuts who put forth this memo about as much as I do the democrats.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
those that dont see all this for what it is, the FBI/DOJ/Clinton conspiracy, and the use of the FISA court to spy on an American civilian(s) and a presidential candidate.. then afterwards use the same falsehoods to try and unseat the same once he had became POTUS ..... you guys must be blind, or such partisan hacks that you hate this country so much you believe what your Democrat masters feed you ... your a bunch of sad sacks, thats for damn sure ... what will you dweebs say when charges are brought forth against the perpetrators ........ remember, this is only the beginning of the investigation into the conspiracy and collusion of these people ....

From: Annony Mouse
04-Feb-18

From: bb
04-Feb-18
According to Nunes, the corroborating evidence that was submitted to the Fisa Court was a "media report". No doubt by one of the upstanding media sources that are embedded within this country. No doubt the FBI needs to dig into this a little deeper and get to the bottom of all the shenanigans. then again there may be no need as I'm sure the Democrats memo will clear all of this up.

From: longbowbud
04-Feb-18
it is an exercise in futility to try and get one of the liberals on here to admit that this was a hitjob on Trump and that the democrats did something, even a little something wrong here. They are just not going to give an inch, it would be admitting they were wrong,or worse yet, that the republicans might be right. It is entertaining to watch ,but they are dug in to their position, and are not going to budge. You could have a smoking gun memo or email from osama, hiilary, huma and wasserman stating their intentions in black and white and gg and the like would still find a way to twist it and throw up smokescreens to pretend they are right. Just look at iktomi`s post as a perfect example. They are not going to get it, cause they dont want to get it.

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
You can go back and read what he said, bk. He said parts of it were salacious and unverified. He didn’t say the entirety of the dossier was unverified.

If there were other parts that were verified and corroborated either by intelligence or information gathered ahead of the initial application and as part of the subsequent follow ups, wouldn’t you expect it to be used in the filings?

I don’t see why parts being unverified would negate parts that were verified, if (that’s a big if cause none of us know what was part of the applications in their entirety) that were the case.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
You're still not getting it. It's not a matter of a negating b, since we don't know what a or b are, and what weight to give them. NEITHER DID THE COURT!!!!!!!

That's the dishonesty. They're in a hearing where there is no opposition and they concealed that the information presented to the court was not verified. The Court could not weigh the information because of what they were told and not told. How freaking hard is this? Lawyers don't get to deceive the court in contested hearings, much less ex parte hearings. They freaking cheated in the most secret court in the nation, on material facts. And you clowns are like "what's the big deal?" Good Grief.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
Beg, you dont see because you dont want to see.... its been said, its been pointed out, what you need is a baseball bat to the side of the head so to speak to knock some common sense into ya ...lol ...

The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
Steele’s numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling—maintaining confidentiality—and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

During this same time period, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. ***The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.***

The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel’s Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an “insurance” policy against President Trump’s election.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
everything was based on falsehoods and lies .......there should have never been a Mueller investigation .... since Trump was elected, thai all cont not be covered up, which os what would have happened of Clinton was elected.... The whole Muellergate investigation was another way for the conspirators to try and stop Trump ...

From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
mueller. What a freakin joke. Might as well had atheist do the investigating. Mueller is a dip$hit.

From: trublucolo
04-Feb-18
"How freaking hard is this?" Only as hard as someone being as deliberately disingenuous as beg always is. He's not here for an honest debate, he's only here to wordsmith his always evasive argument and hoping you misspeak in yours so he can claim his gotcha moment. What's hard for me to understand is why you all bother wasting your breath with him.

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
tru, to an extent that goes for any of these dems ... they only see what they want and that is because they hate Trump so much.....

From: BowSniper
04-Feb-18
Even if by some chance there was something to Page and his interactions with Russians to be investigated... even if by some chance he tried to arrange for some contact between Trump and Russians... WHERE is there any evidence after a year that any contact happened, that Trump worked with the Russians in any way to swing the election??? Nothing.

At the same time, we have direct evidence (this FISA dossier scandal) that certain bad actors in the FBI and DOJ were actively working to swing the election for Hillary. And we have yet to hear from the IG !!

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
“they concealed that the information presented to the court was not verified. ”

I guess it is hard for some of us. Hypothetically speaking, if I have a dossier that makes ten claims and four of them are verified and corroborated and enough that, on their own, they would be grounds for approving a warrant, how important is it to characterize the other six claims or the dossier as a whole? If it wasn’t revealed that the dossier was opposition research (again, the other side is saying this was known by the court) BUT that information wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the warrant application, then I don’t really see the big deal. Is it sloppy? Yeah. Scandalous of constitutional crisis? That seems like a stretch at this stage. I get that it’s an ex parte hearing, but again, if these omission of fact would not have changed the outcome, I don’t see the big deal. In other words, saying “information was omitted that wouldn’t have made one bit of difference in the approval of FISA warrant” doesn’t scream scandal to me, but that’s the engineer in me speaking.

From: Annony Mouse
04-Feb-18

Annony Mouse's Link
The entire situation...Mueller probe, DOJ/FBI and FISA, etc. all come from the fact that everyone of the Obama operatives in the various departments, the Democrat Party and the media were under the impression that Hillary would win and not one iota of the things that have come to light would be exposed. The Podesta email leaks, Debbie Wasserman's foreign IT agents with access to the DNC servers, Hillary's multiple email problems...all that would have been washed under the bridge. These stooges have a record of sloppy attention to detail, which has been kept from the light of truth by a lapdog media.

These were the elites of our establishment government who have for years played at and won at political chess.

Unfortunately for all of them, Trump won the election. He's playing checkers.

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-18
"kept from the light of truth by a lapdog media"

Without a free press, we are doomed as a nation.

Unfortunately, the majority of the press is currently self-imprisoned by their leftist ideologies.

From: Sixby
04-Feb-18
Mueller is a Marine. What is Maddog Maddis? Why did Muellers investigation contain only Liberal Democrat Hillery supporters ? Why is Trump not firing Mueller? Why did Jeff Sessions recuse himself? Why was Rod Rosenstein appointed? Why is Trump allowing this to continue despite overwhelming evidence of his innocence? What more is coming? Who will it indight? Ask yourselves some questions and start thinking instead of reacting.

God bless, Steve

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
- Mattis was a marine - Mueller’s team is not made up of only democrats - If Trump is innocent, why would he fire Mueller? That would look terrible for him - Sessions recused himself for meetings with Russians that weren’t disclosed - Rosenstein was appointed by the Trump administration for their opinion of his qualifications, his objectivity, and his integrity. Not sure why else they would appoint him. - If he is innocent, why wouldn’t he let the investigation run its course?

The answers to those questions are pretty easy and straightforward. Again, usually the simplest explanation is the best.

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-18

HA/KS's Link
"Again, usually the simplest explanation is the best."

And yet, leftists are inventing multiple any wild and weird explanations of why what is simply stated in the memo does not show widespread corruption in the obama/clinton reginme.

From: Sixby
04-Feb-18
Once a Marine, always a Marine,Trump is and always has been innocent, Why should he fire anyone now. Sessions recused himself because Democrats were accusing him of meeting nefariously with the Russian Ambassador doing his job as a US Senator. However there may be more to it than that. People need to be exposed . As to Rosenstein, Are you absolutely positive that is why he was appointed. Remember draining the swamp. Did The acting ATT Gen expose himself by renewal of the FISA? Or is he acting under direction? He had to know that the FiSA was gotten by the introduction of the Dossier. We have unanswered questions but they will not be unanswered long.

God bless, Steve

From: freeglee
04-Feb-18
Big Burger Biggie Nuthun with cheddar sauce!!!

IMPEACH TRUMP NOWWWWWW!!!!!!!

From: JTV
04-Feb-18
what a f'n dweeb.. ... Freefruity, you give liberals a bad name .... smh

From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
FREEloader, Take a hike dip$hit

From: Bentstick81
04-Feb-18
HA/KS. Democrats can't, and will not tell the truth. It's Impossible.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
Nobody with a brain is saying that this made no difference. You're trying to rationalize deceit with your own deceit.

Apparently, ethics are malleable to you depending on which side is ignoring them. At least be honest and admit it.

From: Michael
04-Feb-18

Michael's embedded Photo
Michael's embedded Photo

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
There are a lot of people that are saying the court did know the fact that the dossier was opposition research. I also haven’t heard anyone say opposition research is not admissible evidence, so if elements of the dossier were important and independently verified I don’t see what the problem is.

Everyone and their brother knows that parts of the dossier have not been (nor likely ever will be) verified...if it’s such a key part of the application package I have a hard time believing a Federal judge wouldn’t have understood the nature of the dossier. From everything I’ve read, the FISA court is far from a pushover and the process is rigorous.

If the court was indeed unaware of the nature of the dossier and who was behind it, I have no idea why that detail was left out and what the motivations behind that were and neither do you or anyone else beyond those people behind the scenes so to speak. It’s just conjecture at this stage. Which is why I’d like to see the whole package and hear the other side of the story.

I guess from my perspective, if they had enough inside intelligence and corroborating information that would have resulted in a warrant regardless of who was behind the memo, it doesn’t feel like a huge ethics violation.

From: bad karma
04-Feb-18
That was a long winded way of saying the end justifies the means. You don't know jack tofu about legal ethics.

From: bigeasygator
04-Feb-18
I’m saying if a piece of information is immaterial to the outcome, then omitting it (unintentionally or intentionally) doesn’t seem like much of an ethics issue to me. I understand in this scenario that’s still a big if. I’ve made no bones about viewing this from my perspective and never claimed to know anything about legal ethics.

From: slade
05-Feb-18

slade's Link
TRUMP WAS RIGHT! FISA Warrant Allowed FBI to Spy on Carter Page And ALL OF TRUMP CAMPAIGN

From: bad karma
05-Feb-18
I’ve made no bones about viewing this from my perspective and never claimed to know anything about legal ethics.

Well, you're commenting on the legal ethics of failing to accurately disclose something to a federal judge in an ex parte hearing. Thank you for admitting that you're commenting about something you know nothing about.

McCabe testified that the dossier was an important part of the request for a FISA warrant. So, the whole basis of your argument is like "If the Patriots had won the superbowl, Tom Brady would have six championship rings."

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
It’ll be interesting to see what McCabe actually said and in what context - you’ve already misrepresented Comey’s quotes on this thread, so I can also see it being done to McCabe’s quote. I do find it ironic that you are putting a lot of weight on the ethics not telling the whole story given the ex parte nature hearing of the FISC when this memo only represents one party’s version of the story.

Let me ask my question a different way. Is there anything the Dems can say in their memo that would diminish the significance of the Repubilcan memo?

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-18
Doesn't really matter how much weight the Dossier had to get the FISA Warrant...the main concern here is the fact that Hillary Clinton and the DNC were able to pay for, and secure a document born of Russian Collusion, that was then used as evidence to secure permission for surveillance by Obama's FBI. Those facts are indisputable, and criminal.

From: Atheist
05-Feb-18

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-18
Yes, libtards only cite History, when it serves their purpose.

What was that you were you saying about Comey, when he re-opened Hillary's e-mail investigation?

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
Comey was HATED by the left when he reopened on Clinton... Now he is their hero ?... it goes to show how screwed up these dweebs are.... In all actuality, the Clinton investigation was never closed ....

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
atheist. Yes you should. Have you noticed that they only became corrupt, under the democrats. Still waiting for that PROOF of Trump and Russian collusion. You disappeared for a few days, AGAIN. Running, when you can't prove your B.S. you are throwing out here. Typical of a LIAR. You seem to be getting nervous about this memo. You've been crying your a$$ off, ever since it came out. 8^))))

From: Amoebus
05-Feb-18
JTV - "Comey was HATED by the left when he reopened on Clinton... Now he is their hero ?... it goes to show how screwed up these dweebs are...."

Is that better or worse than the repubs loving him when he re-opened the investigation during the last 2 weeks of the election but hating him now?

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
Nah, we always despised Comey.... I know I did, the clown was dripping slime ...

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
Now, reporting says Steele has had a criminal referral and that referral states Clinton fed info to Steele at the same time Steele was compiling the fake dossier ...... as stated before, more and more just keeps coming out against these criminals

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
elkmnt, what is criminal about what you described? Best as I can tell, none of those things you described are illegal.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18

Annony Mouse's embedded Photo
Annony Mouse's embedded Photo
;o)

From: Glunt@work
05-Feb-18
What a mess, we are investigating a President for conspiring with Russians based on a dossier that was built with the Russians. Putin must feel like Nick Foles.

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-18
"elkmnt, what is criminal about what you described"?

Well, I guess the FBI is above the law in most cases. But, it would set a good precedent...Trump could have someone write up a smear Dossier on his rival in 2020, and use his FBI to win!

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
Now out, is that the Dem memo will corroborate what was in the Nunes memo about the FISA judge being lied to and not being told about Clinton and what was in the application ... Schiff is not disputing facts of the memo, he is attacking Nunes....that tells a bunch right there

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
elkmnt, this stuff happens all the time. Obama was born in Africa, Hillary gave away our Uranium, Trump colluded with the Russians. If any of the opposition “smear” tactics did turn up potentially illegal activities, it should be reported to law enforcement.

From: bb
05-Feb-18
Reported to law enforcement? Law enforcement is the issue here.

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
BEG, the only thing you got right there was that Clinton did give away the uranium to the Russians (well, didnt "give", they/foundation got paid royally for it), The IG's report should be damning on that.............. well, maybe the Africa thing also ;0)

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
bb, elkmnt described a bunch of things that had nothing to do with law enforcement. I was responding to that.

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
I’m gonna put that diploma up with my other ones, Annony!!

From: BowSniper
05-Feb-18
The argument for government corruption and political bias as the highest levels of the FBI/DOJ is that they submitted this largely unverified dossier as evidence to obtain a warrant and wiretap members of a presidential campaign. The argument against the GOP memo is that the dossier must be important and verified or it would not have been included in the FISA.

The memo itself was said to be factually accurate by all parties. But opponents say it is missing other important facts that make the memo misleading as a whole. But if the facts of the memo as presented by House GOP intel committee remain true - we have Comey saying the memo was unverified, we have McCabe saying the warrant would not have been obtained without the dossier. We have learned that the dossier was bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign to influence the election, and that Steel was a British spy using Russian sources. And the FISA evidence also included a Yahoo news story (also sourced from this same guy Steel) And that high ranking officials in the FBI and DOJ were meeting with Steel who made it clear he wanted to prevent Trump from becoming president, which was noted in FBI interview files.

It defies logic why the DOJ would use such garbage as evidence on an official FISA request (dossier plus yahoo news story from same source) unless they really needed it to try and obtain the warrant.... ie: could not have obtained the warrant without it. And KNOWING how biased and politically corrupt the dossier was ahead of time, it screams Watergate style attack on the political opposition for the DOJ to initiate wiretapping using such sources. That would be like Trump getting a FISA warrant to wiretap Ted Cruz using the National Enquirer story about his dad standing near Oswald in a photo!!

At least, that is where we are now. What dem statements in defense change any of the above?

From: Grey Ghost
05-Feb-18
I'd like to read Schiff's memo. It seems only fair to get both side's version.

Better yet, I'd like to see the actual FISA application, and subsequent info used for renewals. Probably not going to happen, unfortunately.

Matt

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
The guy at the center of the FISA warrant is on Laura Ingram tonight, Carter Page ... I want to see what he has to say ...

From: Anony Mouse
05-Feb-18
Matt...on Rush Right now, Nunes has stated that the Democrat memo is going through the same process and MORE Republican members have viewed it than Dems. Also much more needs to be released about the the corruption of the leadership of the FBI, DOJ and other officials of the Obama administration.

Theses organizations have fought tooth and nail to keep this from coming to light to the Congressional investigation. Only in light can the infection be cured.

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
as I said earlier ...

Clinton associates were "feeding" allegations to former British spy Christopher Steele at the same time he was compiling the controversial anti-Trump dossier paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign, according to an unclassified memo from senior Senate Republicans who recently made a criminal referral.

Those Republicans, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had asked the Justice Department in January to investigate Steele based on evidence they say suggests he lied to the FBI about his contacts with the media (a violation of 18 USC 1001) -- or the FBI misrepresented Steele’s statements.

The lawmakers are now asking the FBI for an emergency review of their criminal referral so it can be made public, with limited redactions.

Steele already is under scrutiny over the unverified Trump dossier, which a House Intelligence Committee document released last Friday alleged was at the heart of the FBI and DOJ’s request for a surveillance warrant for a Trump associate.

The memo from Grassley and Graham, which is now public for the first time, provides new insight into Steele’s circle of contacts during that time. While heavily redacted, the memo states Steele said he received information that came from "a foreign sub-source who 'is in touch with (redacted), a contact of (redacted), a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to (redacted).”

grassley graham split Sens. Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham have made a criminal referral regarding ex-British spy Christopher Steele.

"It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele's work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility," the senators wrote to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the Russia probe, and FBI Director Christopher Wray.

"...there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility,” the senators wrote.

Entire sections of the memorandum were redacted by the FBI on the basis that it contained classified information, though a review of the document shows the FBI redacted references to media reporting, including a Washington Post story available on the Internet.

The senators are asking for a declassification review because much of the information was declassified by the president when the House Intelligence Committee memo was released Friday. The memo found the dossier was used to obtain a surveillance warrant on Trump campaign aide Carter Page -- and neither the FBI nor Justice Department told the national security court that it was financed by the DNC and Clinton campaign, and bureau contact with Steele was terminated over his contact with the media.

While the FBI fought the release of that memo, the senators also say the FBI’s claims “mischaracterize and misstate” the amount of classified information in the Steele referral. The senators are asking that the FBI and Justice Department “immediately review the classified referral in light of [Friday’s] declassification and provide the Committee with the declassified version by no later than February 6, 2018.”

In a heavily redacted Jan. 19 letter, Gregory A. Brower, assistant director for FBI congressional affairs, said the FBI "respects" the committee's commitment to transparency but the bureau "cannot and will not weaken its commitment" to protecting classified information because it is in the public domain.

"Public reporting about (redacted) does not affect the FBI's policy with respect to classification (redacted) nor does it diminish our obligations (redacted),” he wrote.

The House Intelligence Committee has long struggled with the FBI and Justice Department over access to Trump dossier and surveillance records. After August subpoenas were ignored, the committee threatened to hold Wray and Rosenstein in contempt of Congress before a deal was reached.

The memo detailing alleged surveillance abuse by the FBI and Justice Department was fully declassified after the committee followed a long-standing congressional rule which asks the president whether he objects to the record's release. In this case, the president exercised his powers as commander-in-chief to immediately declassify the document.

Catherine Herridge is an award-winning Chief Intelligence correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC) based in Washington, D.C. She covers intelligence, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Herridge joined FNC in 1996 as a London-based correspondent.

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
I’d only change two things to what you wrote. Comey has said “parts” of the dossier are “salacious and unverified,” not all of it. McCabe did allude to the dossier being important, but we don’t know what parts of the dossier were important.

It seems to me like there’s a bunch of the dossier that is salacious and unverifiable and, therefore, immaterial (like the golden shower piece). It also seems to me that there are likely parts of the dossier that were indeed corroborated by independent intelligence or evidence which ended up being critical in getting the FISA approval (based on the Dems assertion that the memo cherrypicked information, the FBI’s statement regarding omission of facts that made the memo inaccurate, and the fact that the warrant was approved in the first place). Don’t know which parts.

Like GG, I would love to see the applications.

From: BowSniper
05-Feb-18
The GOP memo is documented as being factually accurate, though incomplete. I would welcome seeing a similar factally accurate memo from the Dems stating what was left out that would change the readers perception. But NOT a bunch of maybes. I don't want to see a BS response about how maybe the dossier had some verified parts too - state clearly what really was verified through independent sources. Or how maybe there was other solid evidence to mandate the FISA warrant - state what other non-Steele evidence was used. And not that Page might have tried to collude with the Russians to swing the election - but rather what evidence is there after a year to show that he actually did... or that Trump was a part of it.

And while we will likely never know what was said in these intercepts, I want a list of American's names that were unknowingly recorded during the Page FISA wiretapping. And the names of Americans un-masked by the prior Administration during foreign surveillance. Me thinks that a list heavy with Trump campaign members will show a politically based fishing expedition and the use of our intelligence services (willing or not) for political malfeasance.

From: Grey Ghost
05-Feb-18
When Trump tweets out praise for Nunes, calling him an "American hero" for his memo, and claims it "totally vindicates" him (which it doesn't), then he immediately mocks "Little Adam Schiff", calling him a "liar and leaker" prior to the possible release of Schiff's memo....something is very, very wrong with this picture.

Matt

From: slade
05-Feb-18
The only thing that is wrong is ignorance. Schiff was already caught leaking info in a sting.

From: BowSniper
05-Feb-18
One ought to able to separate what Trump says and tweets from the actual substance of the investigations and house memo. Trump is just pumping up his own soundtrack... like that guy in every hip-hop song that randomly shouts "Hey" and "Yeah" in the background.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
Matt...Nunes was speaking on Rush about the memo(s). Aside from saying that the Democrat memo would be released after it went through the same process as the Republicans and that more Republicans had viewed the Democrat's version, he went into great detail about how hard it was to obtain information since originally subpoenaed last summer and the fact that the officials (not agents) had done everything that they could to keep them secret. He also said that this first memo release was merely the tip of the iceberg of the political corruption seen from political appointees from the Obama administration.

Elsewhere, Nunes also mentioned that there have been over 100 leaks by Democrats from the committee since last summer and indicated that most seemed to be linked to Schiff who has been caught doing so.

No "Rush filter" when it came to Nunes comments today on his program.

From: bb
05-Feb-18
If Adam Schiff told me it was daytime, I would have to look to make sure.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
From: Grey Ghost
05-Feb-18
Mouse,

Personally, I've heard enough from Nunes. I'd like to hear the other side of the story.

Matt

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
Spinning...

Hillary Clinton Now Claims Dossier On Trump That She Lied About Paying For Was Just “Opposition Research”…

Via Town Hall:

Twice failed Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is finally admitting her campaign paid for the Russian dossier on Donald Trump, albeit by default, and is calling it typical “opposition research.”

During an interview with The Daily Show Wednesday night, Clinton argued the Trump campaign colluded with Russian officials to win the presidential election and denied any wrong doing in hiring Fusion GPS and a foreign spy.

Not surprisingly, Clinton misrepresented the original hiring of Fusion GPS by a Republican donor. That donor was Peter Singer, who hired the firm on behalf of the Washington Free Beacon to do research on all of the GOP candidates during the primary, including Trump. Fusion GPS did not employ Christopher Steele, a British spy, to do any of this work. When the Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS after Trump won, Steele was hired and worked with Russian officials to come up the infamous and salacious dossier.

Keep in mind the Clinton campaign and DNC officials have denied paying for the dossier for nearly a year, but were forced into an admission after a subpoena from House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes revealed both entities had in fact employed Fusion GPS to create the dossier.

Keep reading…

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
GG, the only reason YOU want the other side, is you want a gotcha moment .... not because you want transparency ... you believe it will be more inline with your way of thinking, a democrat way, which means full of bullcrap, lies and false innuendos...

From: HA/KS
05-Feb-18
Are the FBI and DOJ also fighting the release of the leftist version of the memo? If not, then it is obvious that they are not working for truth, justice, and the American way.

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
The FBI’s issue with the Republican’s memo is related to, and I quote, “grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy.”

My guess is that they will welcome the Democratic memo if it adds context to the concerns they had about the Nunes memo.

I see the House intel committee just voted to release the minority memo. It’s in your hands now, Mr. President.

From: Grey Ghost
05-Feb-18
It will look very bad for Trump if he refuses to release the minority memo. After all, why not get it all out on the table, if he has nothing to hide?

Matt

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
If I was Trump, I would say NO, to releasing the memo. Until mueller gets done with wasting our tax dollars, on absolutely nothing. I would make mueller say if he had anything on Trump, or not. This dumba$$ wasting our tax dollars, on absolutely, nothing, is BS. It's been over a year. Either the idiot has something on Trump, or not.

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
it is so much fun watching the Dems/FBI/DOJ/GG/BEG spin this ... anyone with common sense saw that the FNM/DEMS/FBI are biased in their hate towards Trump and towards the Nunes Memo... now they wait with open arms and baited breath for the Dem version to come out ... since I'm never wrong, I will say again with certainty the Fake News Media and the political hacks in the FBI/DOJ and those that have been fired and demoted will LOVE, absolutely LOVE this version of the ( Schifty Schiff) memo when it hits .... they will be crying SEE SEE, looky here, I told ya, I told ya !! (but yet, the Nunes version is more believable )..... even our own resident Schifty Schiff (GG) will be atop his beloved perch crying down to the peons... SEE, SEE, I told ya, I told ya and there will be portions within the Schifty that will corroborate the Nunes version, and they will be ignored by the left/Dems/GG/BEG ..... sometimes I hate being right all the time ...

From: Grey Ghost
05-Feb-18
"...since I'm never wrong."

LOL. Priceless.

Matt

From: bigeasygator
05-Feb-18
He sounds a little antsy doesn’t he, GG?

JTV, what’s Sara saying about the Dem memo?

And I asked before but maybe it was missed. BK, is there anything that the Dem memo could say that would diminish the significance of the Nunes’ memo?

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
Well, a better question would be, How much of the dems memo is lies? I bet 90% of it is bull$hit.

From: JTV
05-Feb-18

JTV's Link
you guys do miss a lot ....here is ANOTHER important memo from the Senate and Sen. Grassely that shows just how dirty Steele is.... so much goes right over your heads it aint funny ... if you'd stop watching CNN/MSNBC you might learn something.......... nah, that aint ever gonna happen ...

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-02%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral).pdf

From: HA/KS
05-Feb-18
Republicans voted 100% to release the dem memo.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
Nunes today said that more Republicans than Democrats had actually read the Dem's memo. Footnote was that most of the Dems who did not read, could not read. ;o)

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
Ya, no $hit Annony. Look at the dems we have on here. It's not our fault they want to prove it daily. 8^)))

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
House Committee Votes To Release Democratic Memo On FISA Application

While Democrats didn’t want you to see the Nunes memo, GOP votes for you to see theirs. Nunes memo was made as part of the staff examination of the evidence. The Democratic memo was made purely to spin from GOP memo. But GOP sitll voted for it showing more class than Democrats.

Via Daily Caller:

The House Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence voted unanimously Monday evening to release the Democratic FISA memo to the public, sending the document to the president to decide whether he wants to approve its release.

Republicans voted to declassify the Democratic memo, which reportedly weakens allegations made in the memo crafted by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes. The committee’s unanimous vote sends the Democratic memo to the White House, giving President Donald Trump five days to decide if he wants to declassify and release it to the American public, Politico reported.

While Trump has the power to block the memo from being released, the White House said it would “entertain” the possibility of approving its release.

Keep reading…

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
Oh...and regarding the veracity of Schiff:

Schiff’s Latest Bizarre Claim: Russian Ads Promote 2nd Amendment “So We All Kill Each Other”

California Congressman Adam Schiff now says that Russian ads aimed at pushing Americans to kill each other

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms… and,as The Duran’s Alex Christoforou writes, according to California Congressman Adam Schiff, those pesky Russians are using bots to promote the second amendment with an ultimate goal of having Americans ‘kill each other.’

Once again, another brilliant plan hatched by Putin… good thing Schiff caught on to it and can now begin seizing American’s guns so as to thwart Russia’s evil plan.

On Thursday Democrat Schiff spoke to a crowd at the University of Pennsylvania, where the TDS – ‘Russia hysteria virus’ infected Schiff told the crowd Russian ads promoted the Second Amendment during the 2016 election “so we will kill each other.”

NTK Network reports…

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Thursday that Russia promoted content that supported the Second Amendment on social media during the 2016 election because they wanted Americans to kill one another.

“You had the content that was clearly anti-Hillary, and you had the content that was very pro-Trump. But even the bigger quantity of content that was being pushed through social media was just content designed to pit us against each other,” Schiff said while speaking at the University of Pennsylvania.

Which is false!

Facebook executive Colin Stretch told the US Senate Judiciary Committee in November that the total number of those illegitimate ads are a drop in the ocean — less than 0.004 percent of all content — or about 1 in 23,000 news feed items.

Russia didn’t flip the election.

And then Schiff exclaimed:

“They also trumpeted the Second Amendment. Apparently Russians are very big fans of our Second Amendment. They don’t particularly want a Second Amendment of their own, but they’re really glad that we have one.”

“The Russians would be thrilled if we were doing nothing but killing each other every day, and sadly we are.”

Mr. Schiff’s constant delusional comments are so irrelevant to most Americans – and so unbelievable to many – that it should be no surprise to anyone that The Democrats favorability is sliding and Trump’s is rising.

From: JTV
05-Feb-18
Here is what Sarah Carter IS saying about the Senate/Grassely/Steele memo/dossier and if you want to know she is saying about the Dem memo, she's on Hannity tonight... tune in, you just might learn something .....nah, that wont happen ..

A new and highly redacted document released Monday by the Senate Judiciary Committee reveals that former British spy Christopher Steele, the man behind the unverified and controversial dossier, wrote an additional memo regarding alleged Russian collusion with President Donald Trump but that the information was largely based on information provided by allies of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Lindsey Graham, R-SC, sent a criminal referral regarding Steele’s involvement in the dossier to the Department of Justice referral January 4. The criminal referral confirms that allies of Clinton and the Obama administration were providing Steele with what they deemed damaging information on then candidate-elect Trump. The Senate Judiciary Committee spent more than a month in talks with the DOJ about what parts of the referral, which was classified Top Secret, should be redacted from the document before it became public.

“One memorandum by Mr. Steele that was not published by Buzzfeed is dated October 19, 2016. The report alleges (redacted), as well as (redacted). Mr. Steele’s memorandum states that his company “received this report from (redacted) U.S. State Department,” that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub-source who ‘is in touch with (redacted) US State Department,’ that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a sub-source who ‘is in touch with (redacted), a contact of (redacted) of (redacted) a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to (redacted).”

“It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility,” the criminal referral states.

In the document, Grassley and Graham noted that “there is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility.”

The pair of lawmakers also allege that Steele was compiling information on Trump and his campaign before being hired by now embattled research firm Fusion GPS, which was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign for his work.

“Pursuant to that business arrangement, Mr. Steele prepared a series of documents styled as intelligence reports, some of which were later compiled into a ‘dossier’ and published by Buzzfeed in January 2017,” the referral states. “On the face of the dossier, it appears that Mr. Steele gathered much of his information from Russian government sources inside Russia.”

According to several U.S. Officials who spoke to this reporter, Cody Shearer, a former journalist and close ally of Hillary and Bill Clinton, was closely connected to Steele and shared information with the former spy. Shearer worked in the 90s for President Bill Clinton.

Steele, whose prior work with British intelligence gave him access to U.S. intelligence and State Department officials, also appeared to be in contact with Jonathan Winer, a current State Department official who also worked under then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Winer is the “State Department’s Special Envoy for Libya and Senior Advisor for MEK resettlement,” according to the State Department website.

Another connection to the second dossier, according to several sources who spoke to this reporter, is close friend and advisor to Hillary Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal. As reported several weeks ago, Blumenthal’s connection to the dossier still remains somewhat of a mystery but according to several sources he allegedly was one source that Steele used to verify certain aspects of his dossier.

Department of Justice officials declined to comment on Blumenthal or the dossier.

FBI officials also declined to comment.

Blumenthal did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Blumenthal worked as a White House aide for Bill Clinton, and later worked with the Clinton Foundation after being denied a role by Obama Administration officials with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to reports. Politico revealed that Blumenthal was being paid $10,000 a month by the Clinton Foundation.

In 2015, emails released by the State Department showed the extensive and ongoing working relationship between Clinton and Blumenthal. The emails also revealed that then-Secretary of State Clinton would seek Blumenthal’s advice on Libya, according to the emails. Blumenthal regularly sent Hillary Clinton “vaguely sourced” “intelligence cable style” briefings while she was Secretary of State.

The Guardian was the first to publish Shearers’ involvement with what is being described as a second anti-Trump dossier.

Grassley and Graham filed the criminal referral on Steele after comparing information given to the committee from the FBI to Steele’s own statements.

“As explained in greater detail below, when information in those classified documents is evaluated in light of sworn statements by Mr. Steele in British litigation, it appears that either Mr. Steele lied to the FBI or the British court, or that the classified documents reviewed by the Committee contain materially false statements,” the criminal referral states.

From: trublucolo
05-Feb-18

trublucolo's Link

From: slade
05-Feb-18
trub, different schiiff, but matrried to Soros it still smells like schiff

From: bad karma
06-Feb-18

bad karma's Link
Here's Hugh Hewitt, saying both that the omission is a very big deal, and quoting a federal judge that would have immediately rescinded the warrant. So, go ahead, take Hugh Hewitt's take against mine.....oops.

From: bigeasygator
06-Feb-18
BK, is there anything that the Dem memo could say that would diminish the significance of the Nunes’ memo?

From: Anony Mouse
06-Feb-18

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-18
Sorry, Kevin, I refuse to pay the Wash Post fee to read their articles, so I can't view your link.

On the program I watched, Hugh said the material omissions made the FBI look very bad, but that it wouldn't change the course of the Russian meddling investigation at all. That's the point I was trying to make.

Did Hugh say something different in your link?

Matt

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-18
The Dem memo could "say" lots of things trying to diminish what was revealed by the GOP memo... but is anything they say actually supported by fact???

They could "say" Page was in contact with russians, but was any of that contact nefarious on Page's part? Were Russian overtures to Page ever accepted or acted upon by Page in an illegal manner?

The biggest points in the GOP memo are (1) would the warrant have been granted without the Steele dossier and yahoo news story? (2) was the judge told the source for both was a Clinton paid op-research package?

Further - once this merry little band of anti-Trump DOJ/FBI members (McCabe, Comey, Yates, Strzok, Ohr) established wiretapping of Page, who else in the Trump Campaign did they happen to "monitor" in the process? And how widely were these intercepts shared back to the original funding source, Clinton's Campaign team. THERE is your 21st century Watergate.

From: bigeasygator
06-Feb-18
“The biggest points in the GOP memo are (1) would the warrant have been granted without the Steele dossier and yahoo news story? (2) was the judge told the source for both was a Clinton paid op-research package?”

I would argue that those aren’t points in the GOP memo, but rather questions left unanswered by the memo.

GG, that’s more or less what he article said. The biggest takeaways I took from the article was the omission of fact was bad, but how bad depends who all was involved in the process to leave out the info. He made the point that the warrant may very well have been approved, but that it was a breach of trust. Also, made the point that it’s likely a bigger indictment of the staff that prepare and review these applications, and less of an indictment of the folks at the top (Comey, Rosenstein, etc) as they likely don’t review every single detail in these applications. The only way they are really implicated is if they discussed leaving this info out ahead of time. That said, he makes the point that there’s no excuse for not disclosing this info and that it will have ramifications with respect to the warrant process.

From: bigeasygator
06-Feb-18

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Hey Annony, I think the new diploma looks pretty good!

From: slade
06-Feb-18
Spin this bowlibs.

The FBI sought FISA warrants FOUR TIMES to spy on Carter Page.

The warrants on Page then gave the Deep State access to spy on all of the Trump campaign officials.

Now this… According to reports from 2016 Carter Page was previously working as an undercover informant for the FBI.

In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]

Sources: ? In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov. LINK HERE In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY.

? In 2016 Reuters published an article, based on the ongoing court case, going into detail about court records. LINK HERE

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The FBI eavesdropped on meetings involving Russian intelligence personnel in New York City, including a suspected spy posing as a trade representative, by hiding recorders in binders containing supposedly confidential information about the energy sector, U.S. prosecutors said.

The hours of covert recordings from 2013 were disclosed in papers filed in Manhattan federal court on Tuesday in the case of Evgeny Buryakov, a Russian citizen who U.S. prosecutors say posed as a banker while participating in a Cold War-style spy ring.

[…] According to prosecutors, in April 2012, Sporyshev met an undercover FBI employee posing as an analyst at a New York energy firm at an oil and gas industry conference.

? In April 2017, writing a story about Carter Page, and trying to enhance/affirm the Russian narrative, they outlined Page’s connections to the Trump campaign, the New York Times referenced Page’s prior connection to the operation. [Notice how the story is shaped] LINK HERE:

Russian intelligence operatives tried in 2013 to recruit an American businessman and eventual foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign who is now part of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia’s interference into the American election, according to federal court documents and a statement issued by the businessman.

The businessman, Carter Page, met with one of three Russians who were eventually charged with being undeclared officers with Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the S.V.R. The F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Page in 2013 as part of an investigation into the spy ring, but decided that he had not known the man was a spy, and the bureau never accused Mr. Page of wrongdoing.

It is transparently clear that Carter Page was the Under-Cover Employee (UCE) of the FBI in the 2013 case.

Carter Page was working for the FBI.

From: Michael
06-Feb-18
BEG, That’s priceless thanks for the laugh. :)

From: slade
06-Feb-18

slade's Link
Here is the link to the entire article..

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-18
Thanks for the summary of Kevin's link, BEG.

I also noted that Hugh agreed with one of the other talking heads on the show when he stated the Nunes memo didn't "vindicate" anyone of allegations in the Russia investigation.

Matt

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-18
BEG - those are exactly the accusations made in the GOP memo... that McCabe stated the warrant would not have have been granted without the Steele dossier and yahoo news story, and that the judge was not told the source for both was a Clinton paid op-research package.

The Dems are claiming that is not true. So far the Dems say the FISA application noted the source was partisan but that does NOT refute the GOP claim that evidence was never identified as being funded by the Clinton campaign.

And what McCabe exactly said could be settled with transcripts, if the Dems would actually provide.

Comey sure showed his Clinton/Dem allegiance when he expressed outrage at a 4 page GOP memo but not a peep about the 10 page Dem memo. He is in this deep state scandal up to his 6ft 6" eyeballs!!

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-18
GG - I would agree that this GOP memo does not vindictate Trump in the Russia collusion probe. Apples and oranges at this point.

But would you agree that that this GOP memo does vindicate Trump's claims last year that he was being wiretapped?

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-18
Bowsniper,

Page was a member of Trump's campaign. The FISA warrant authorized surveillance on him. I'd say that pretty much explains any "wiretaps" that may have been found in Trump's hotel. The memo doesn't prove Obama ordered those wiretaps, or that the wiretaps were targeting at Trump, as he claimed.

Matt

From: bigeasygator
06-Feb-18
No, that's not what the memo says, Bowsniper.

McCabe has no statements connected to the use of the Yahoo News Story. With respect to the Yahoo News story, the memo says "2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed." The memo is pointing out that this is not corroborating evidence; running with this bit of information to the point of saying a warrant would not be granted is taking it a lot further than the memo does.

Also, McCabe did not say a warrant would not have been issued without the dossier, he is quoted as saying a warrant would not have been sought without the dossier (I will concede a warrant can't be issued if it is not sought, but he didn't say the warrant wouldn't have been issued). The memo says, "Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information." Again, what information led to the granting of the warrant and how important the dossier is in gaining the surveillance approval is still a question, particularly when the other side is saying McCabe's testimony is misrepresented.

So I'll stick to my assertion that those aren't points raised by the memo, they are questions that arise from the points raised in the memo that have yet to be answered.

From: bigeasygator
06-Feb-18
What GG says. Trump said this "just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism." That's a lot different than saying "just found out the FBI was doing surveillance on one of my campaign team."

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-18
Which is also a lot different than saying anti-Trump Hillary supporters in the Obama DOJ initiated a FISA warrant using Clinton funded sources to wiretap Page and other members of the Trump team, including Trump himself. Which is how it appears to many right now.

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-18

elkmtngear's embedded Photo
elkmtngear's embedded Photo
Riddle me this...

From: JTV
06-Feb-18
But yet The NSA Director Visited Trump at the Trump towers, spoke to Trump and the very next day, Trump moved all his campaign people, etc. out of the Tower and to a more secure location... Yes, Trump was being surveilled by the Obama administration ...

On 7 November - the day before the country went to the polls - former British MP Louise Mensch reported the order was approved in October.

According to Ms Mensch, it was issued in connection with a private server and activity between two Russia banks.

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-18
I suspect surveillance information was collected on anyone Page communicated with inside and out of Trump's hotel, including other campaign members and Trump himself. That's kinda the point of surveillance.

As already established, the memo doesn't invalidate the warrant, or any of the information collected under it, until another judge says so. We also don't know what other information was used, other than the dossier, to obtain the warrant, or if some portions of the dossier were validated and therefore accepted as probable cause by the FISA courts.

Matt

From: JTV
06-Feb-18

JTV's Link
Those damn dirty dirty Dems ....smh ... ^^^

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-18
So now the right is claiming the minority memo is a security risk? I take it that's what they mean by "sensitive details". Funny how the tables have turned.

Matt

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-18
A Democratic memo, written by a guy who has already been caught in several outright lies, filled with "fake news"? Tell me it ain't so :^D

From: Sixby
06-Feb-18
10 pages from the Dems heavily laden with TS details that have to be redacted , done purposely to make the Republicans and Trump out to be editing real information out on purpose. What a bunch of devious liars!!!!!!! This will go through exactly the same process as the Republican papers. The Republicans and Trump are not hiding one single thing and the left knows it. Simply another ruse to obsfucate the truth by the slimy left. God bless, Steve

From: JTV
06-Feb-18
Never ever ever trust a Dem... never ...

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-18
As long as the white house lets the FBI and national security agencies do all the redacting (if any) necessary, Trump is sitting pretty. He should just make those same people who cried about national security with the GOP memo personally sign off on this one as well. Schiff? Rosenstein? Bring Panetta and Comey back for a personal blessing.....ha!

From: Michael
06-Feb-18

Michael's embedded Photo
Michael's embedded Photo

From: TD
06-Feb-18
Pretty much sums it up nice and tidy......

06-Feb-18
There you go. Make th3 Demon commies at the head of the agency do the redactions!

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-18
It is true that the memo cannot exonerate trump - or anyone else. In fact, it has not even proven that leftists are not now plotting armed rebellion in D.C.

A negative cannot be proven, thus the importance of "Innocent until proven guilty." in our justice system.

The memo does prove that there is a lot of reason to believe that the entire FBI/DOJ under obama/clinton were a crime cartel that is still deeply embedded and needs to be rooted out entirely if we are to save the republic.

Denials of this from the Bowsite leftists is further proof of just how insidious the leftists in our nation and our government have become.

From: JTV
06-Feb-18
Hot on the heels of the House memo exposing deep state corruption comes an equally explosive document from the Senate that shows the story behind the phony dossier is even worse than you thought.

Senators Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham have released a heavily redacted, yet very revealing copy of their criminal referral against ex-British spy Christopher Steele, the author of the dubious dossier we now know was parlayed into a FISA warrant by Trump-hating operatives at the Justice Department.

Grassley and Graham tell us that, while working on a second dossier for Clinton opposition research firm Fusion GPS, Steele was being fed information directly from the Obama State Department and from Clinton allies as well as his usual, sketchy Russian sources. That’s right, teams Clinton and Obama were working with a foreign spy to undermine then-candidate Donald Trump.

" … Mr. Steele's memorandum states that his company received this report from (redacted), U.S. State Department, and that the report was the second in the series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub source who is in touch with a contact of (redacted), a friend of the Clintons who passed it to (redacted).”

The Grassley-Graham memo goes on to say “it's troubling enough that the Clinton campaign funded Mr. Steele's work, but [worse] that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele's allegations. It raises huge additional concerns about his credibility."

So, in addition to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee paying $12 million for a phony, fake-news Russian propaganda dossier to influence the election, we now learn that her associates and the Obama State Department teamed up with Russian sources to funnel allegations to Steele for a second dossier.

The senators are also accusing Christopher Steele of lying either to the FBI or to the British courts.

"There is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility," they wrote.

This Grassley-Graham memo also details how Steele was using his first phony dossier to brief several mainstream media outlets, you know, the folks who bring you fake news, in the summer and the fall of 2016. British court records show Steele acknowledged he peddled his memo to The New York Times, Washington Post, Yahoo News, The New Yorker, and, of course, CNN.

However, since he was working for the FBI, he would have been barred from leaking to the media. In fact, the FBI later cut ties with him when it learned he had broken the rule. So who did he lie to, the FBI or the British courts?

It’s hard to keep all the memos and dossiers straight. If you’re scoring at home, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released a memo over the objections of Democrats and the media that showed how the FBI used Steele’s first dossier to get a federal warrant to spy on people close to Trump. The Democrats hope to release their own “memo,” which is not a memo at all but just a sour-grapes rebuttal to the committee’s. The Grassley-Graham memo is a third document that tells us Obama and Clinton operatives fed Steele information to try to damage Trump.

The dossiers, and there are apparently two of them, were cooked up by Steele and are completely unverified claptrap. Yet, the FBI marched one of them into a Federal Intelligence Surveillance Court and presented it as evidence. Months later, then FBI Director James Comey admitted it was completely unverified.

And here's what the left and your corrupt media won't tell you: the FISA judge was never told that Hillary Clinton was paying for the phony dossier containing Russian intelligence lies about Donald Trump. And they don’t seem to care that it was first used to try to influence an election, then to get a warrant to spy on an opposition candidate.

The incestuous ties between Fusion, Steele, the Clinton campaign and the Obama Justice Department are alarming. Clinton hired Fusion, which hired Steele. Steele was working with the FBI at the same time. The wife of a top Justice Department official, Bruce Ohr, was hired by Fusion to work with Steele.

The goal of the whole, unseemly syndicate? To launder Russian lies about Donald Trump through the U.S. government, so they could weaponize our own intelligence and law enforcement network against the man who now sits in the Oval Office.

From Fox/Hannity

From: JTV
06-Feb-18

JTV's Link
Ive been sayin' wait till the IG's report comes out .... it will really be fun then watchin' these dems squirm ..

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/372457-ig-poised-to-reignite-war-over-fbis-clinton-case

From: JTV
06-Feb-18
Few people have heard of Michael Horowitz, but that’s about to change.

Horowitz, the Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general, is an increasingly critical player in the controversy surrounding the FBI, President Trump and the Russia investigation.

With little fanfare, he has been conducting a sprawling probe of the FBI’s handling of the 2016 investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server. His full report, which could set off shockwaves, is expected by the early spring.

A political appointee in both the Bush and Obama administrations, Horowitz’s yearlong investigation already reportedly contributed to the early resignation of Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. And his work has been felt in other ways.

Horowitz also uncovered a series of text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that led special counsel Robert Mueller to remove Strzok from his team. Those texts have fueled accusations among GOP lawmakers that Mueller’s probe is tainted by partisanship.

Those who know Horowitz portray him as an independent voice.

“He is really one of the smartest and fairest people I have ever had the pleasure to work with,” said Bill Hamel, who served as assistant inspector general for investigations at the Department of Education. “He’s a straight shooter and a fair guy. He’s an honest broker.”

But Horowitz’s reputation will be put to the test when he releases the findings of the Clinton investigation. No matter what he concludes, it’s likely to create a political firestorm, coming at a time when both Republicans and the White House are charging that political bias is rampant at the Justice Department and at the FBI.

Horowitz attracted public attention early in his career as an assistant U.S. attorney in New York for prosecuting corrupt police officers in the infamous “Dirty 30” case in the mid-1990s.

He later moved to the Justice Department’s criminal division in Washington, where he served as chief of staff for a period spanning the Clinton and Bush administrations.

Bush later appointed Horowitz to a six-year term as a commissioner of the U.S. Sentencing Commission, an agency within the judicial branch that writes sentencing guidelines for federal courts. He was then selected by President Obama to serve as the Justice Department’s top watchdog in 2011.

His job is demanding. Horowitz oversees a department of nearly 500 employees who are responsible for investigating waste, fraud, abuse and misconduct within the Justice Department.

“You’re there to help the agency succeed in doing its job,” said Hamel, who has known Horowitz since his days working in New York. “They have to be independent to do that job. They can’t be swayed by political issues.”

He is best remembered in his current role for coming down hard on regional officials at Justice and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for the infamous “Fast and Furious” operation in which officials allowed the illegal sale of firearms in a botched effort to track Mexican drug cartels.

Just six months into the job, Horowitz issued a report eviscerating law enforcement officials in Arizona for a “significant lack of oversight” and disregard for “the safety of individuals in the United States and Mexico.”

While the investigation absolved Attorney General Eric Holder of blame, Horowitz recommended that the Justice Department consider potential disciplinary action for 14 officials involved.

“It was just a remarkably intense first six months on the job. I know I wouldn’t have chosen to walk into the job that way. Looking back on it, it was sort of trial by fire,” Horowitz told The Washington Post in 2014. “You sink or you swim pretty quickly, and fortunately I didn’t sink. People can use their own judgment about how well I swam.”

Horowitz also clashed with the Obama administration over Justice and the FBI bucking requests for documents from the inspector general’s office.

Horowitz’s work has earned him respect among his peers. He has been twice elected to lead the Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, the independent panel of inspectors general across the federal government.

“He is a man of the utmost integrity who is willing to call the shots as he sees them,” said Stanley Twardy, a Stamford, Conn.-based lawyer who has known Horowitz professionally since his days as a U.S. attorney.

Horowitz formally announced last January that he would investigate allegations of wrongdoing by Justice Department and FBI officials leading up the 2016 election, in response to demands from both Democrats and Republicans.

It’s possible that both parties will get political ammunition from Horowitz’s report.

The inspector general is examining whether then-FBI Director James Comey broke FBI procedure with his public disclosures about the Clinton case, including the letter that he sent to Congress a few weeks before the election. Before Trump fired Comey, Democrats were outspoken in their criticism of those decisions, saying they violated procedure and cost Clinton the election.

But Horowitz is also looking into allegations that McCabe should have been recused from the investigation. Republicans, including Trump, have seized on reports that McCabe’s wife accepted campaign contributions from Clinton ally and former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe when she ran for state office in Virginia, calling it a clear conflict of interest.

Finally, Horowitz is also looking into unauthorized disclosures of information.

Lawmakers have pressed Horowitz to expand the scope of the probe to include Comey’s firing or Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s recusal from the separate investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Horowitz has not committed to looking into Comey’s firing, signaling that doing so could present a conflict with Mueller’s investigation.

Horowitz’s probe has become all the more relevant in light of McCabe’s decision to step down last week. According to The New York Times, Christopher Wray, whom Trump installed as FBI director last year after Comey’s ouster, had raised concerns about details of the forthcoming inspector general report that led him to propose that McCabe be demoted.

The Washington Post subsequently reported that Horowitz is examining why McCabe seemingly did not move forward for several weeks on a request to examine new emails in the Clinton investigation that were found on former congressman Anthony Weiner’s (D-N.Y.) computer.

“There are a lot of legitimate questions that I hope would be answered by this inspector and that probably aren’t going to paint the DOJ or the FBI in a particularly good light,” said Ron Hosko, a former official in the FBI’s criminal investigative division.

The findings could further play into GOP charges of political bias at the FBI, which critics view as part of a broader effort to inhibit Mueller’s investigation.

The text exchanges between Strzok and Page came to public light when the Justice Department delivered them to GOP-led panels in Congress in December and also reportedly allowed journalists to view them.

“These text messages prove what we all suspected: high-ranking FBI officials involved in the Clinton investigation were personally invested in the outcome of the election and clearly let their strong political opinions cloud their professional judgment,” House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) told Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein at a hearing in December.

The Justice Department came under fire from Republicans in January when lawmakers discovered a five-month gap in the text messages; Horowitz has subsequently said he recovered the missing exchanges and would provide copies to the department, which could decide to release them to Capitol Hill.

Horowitz told lawmakers last November that his investigators had reviewed roughly 1.25 million records and conducted dozens of interviews in connection with the ongoing investigation.

At the time, he said he expected the report to be issued by March or April.

Otherwise, the inspector general has remained tight-lipped on the status of the investigation, including the potential widening of its scope.

His statement last January contained an important caveat. “If circumstances warrant,” it said, “the [inspector general] will consider including other issues that may arise during the course of the review.”

From: Bentstick81
06-Feb-18
It's going to be the same that it's been for a little over a year now. It doesn't matter if Trump releases the dem memo, or not. The dems have a bunch of lies to cover, which ever way Trump chooses. If i was Trump, I wouldn't ok the memo. Schumer renigged on his word, about the deal with DACA, and what trump wanted in return. dems proving to America, that they can't be trusted.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-18

Annony Mouse's Link
McCaul Urges Release of Classified Material that Made Up Basis of GOP Memo Wants DOJ inspector general to investigate FBI surveillance application of ex-Trump aide

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-18
The Nunes memo revealed a damning omission

Having reviewed hundreds and hundreds of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant applications as the final stop between the FBI and the desks of Attorneys General William French Smith and Edwin Meese III, I read the Nunes memo as revealing one major fact that stands out above all other revelations: The FISA warrant for surveillance on Carter Page (and the three subsequent renewals of the warrant) omitted a material fact. While the FBI admitted that the information came from a politically motivated source, the bureau did not disclose that the source had been financed by Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. That is a damning omission...

more at link

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-18

HA/KS's Link
Further proof that it was indeed the leftist entrenched D.C. establishment that conspired to collude with Russians - see link.

From: JTV
06-Feb-18
WaPo wants money to read it....nope ... aint doing that

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-18
Speaking of watergate, check out the latest release of texts between the two dirty FBI lovebirds. They have them saying they need to keep Obama informed, and renting "All the Presidents Men" to brush up on watergate!

Some of you are deliberately wearing blinders to support a personal agenda/crusade, but this whole thing is a massive scandal. It's like the OJ murders, where you think a tight glove makes him innocent.... while there is everything but a Heisman trophy found in the bushes!!

From: bigeasygator
07-Feb-18
It's not blinders, Bowsniper. It's Occam's razor.

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-18
BEG - And you don't think the simplest explanation is that the Clinton campaign has loyalists willing to break the law to try and take down Trump? You believe watergate happened, right?

Hell, the petty Dems even stole "W" keys from the government computers because they were angry Bush won. Do you believe Bush really won that election?

For that matter, do you believe OJ killed Nicole and Ron?

From: JTV
07-Feb-18

JTV's Link
OUCH......this will leave a mark

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/criminal-referral-backs-up-nunes-on-dossier-claims-as-dems-push-rebuttal-memo.html

From: JTV
07-Feb-18

JTV's Link
and now this Obama involved and knew what was going on ?? !!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5362821/FBI-lovers-texts-Obama-wanted-info-Clinton-email-probe.html

From: bigeasygator
07-Feb-18
Are there "loyalists"? Sure.

Do I believe that Obama, Comey, Sessions, McCabe, Rosenstein, multiple Federal judges, and the rank-and-file members of the FBI are all "loyalists" willing to either break the law or turn a blind-eye towards criminal behavior in an effort to get HRC elected or to bring down Trump? No, I don't.

And for the record, yes to Watergate, Bush won, and OJ did it.

From: Grey Ghost
07-Feb-18
"Do I believe that Obama, Comey, Sessions, McCabe, Rosenstein, multiple Federal judges, and the rank-and-file members of the FBI are all "loyalists" willing to either break the law or turn a blind-eye towards criminal behavior in an effort to get HRC elected or to bring down Trump? No, I don't."

Me neither. I think some folks have been watching the Jason Bourne movies a little too much.

Matt

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-18
BEG - I don't see how Sessions makes that list, nor the rank and file members of the FBI as a whole. You are painting with an exaggerated brush in an effort to deflect. Even YOU must admit that the two senior FBI agents Paige and Strzok texting had a deliberate pro-Hillary anti-Trump agenda. And this guy Ohr whose wife actually worked for Fusion GPS. All so extremely biased against Trump that the were removed from the case! Don't you think they might have taken anti-Trump actions during the Hillary email and Russian probe given they were working on those cases for some time before being caught and removed??

And the political bias of Steele is without question, since his work was funded by Clinton and he made those specific comments about stopping Trump actually recorded in FBI files. Yet his biased anti-Trump research was submitted as evidence for a wiretap warrant on Trump campaign members?? Would you dispute that??

And Comey, who leaked to the press in an effort to take down Trump, who signed the wiretap papers 3 times. And Sally Yates who signed the warrant papers once, do you think she holds no Trump animosity??? And McCabe... are you suggesting he did not work with a political agenda and retired with honor???

Federal Judges without Bias??? You mean like the liberal 9th circuit judges attempting to stop trumps immigration bans, or the liberal activist judges opposing Trump on their illegal sanctuary cities??

Nah, never happens. All that obvious political bias was just talk, and none of them took any real action to affect the election. If it does not fit, you must acquit!

From: JTV
07-Feb-18
and again the blind leads the blind ... some are to dense to see what is before them ....

when is a conspiracy a conspiracy ?? .... when it is a conspiracy ....

From: elkmtngear
07-Feb-18
More layers are being peeled back each day, proof of corruption seems to be scaling higher up the chain...this thread may break the all-time record!

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-18
The all time record? More people believe in bigfoot than this warrant being an innocent coincidence. Ha!

07-Feb-18
YES! I expect that there is more than enough evidence available to put the whole lot in prison, some for murder involvement, IF justice is fully meted out.

From: bigeasygator
07-Feb-18
BowSniper, you don't see how the head of the DOJ makes that list? Rosenstein's boss? How man who recused himself and paved the way for Mueller (who I forgot to put on the list) to take over needs to be part of the conspiracy for this thing to play out like people are saying it is?

Who do you think is doing the field work and providing all the input that goes into things like the FISA application? That work is not done by any of these executives -- it's done by the rank-and-file of the department.

Bias is important to understand. Do Page and Strzok look biased? Hard to argue against that. Does that mean they broke the law or were incapable of doing their job? Not necessarily. If they were so biased, why on Earth did they take the decision to announce they were reopening the Clinton investigation ahead of the email. Because, even if their personal biases pushed them in a different direction, it was the right thing to do.

Was Steele biased? Appears so. If Steele uncovered illegal activity conducted by Trump's team does his bias negate that? Absolutely not. His credibility needs to be questioned, but it doesn't change facts. If we were to ignore every piece of information that was born out of some sort of bias, this thread wouldn't exist as it is entirely based on a partisan memo by individuals who are biased. You guys act like bias exists only in one direction.

What reason did Comey have to want to bring down Trump when he signed off on surveillance? What was Sally Yates' reason? What, they just didn't like Trump and held some deep-seeded obligation to their old boss or a political luster that they saw fit to do whatever they could, up to and including breaking the law, to have him removed? Sure, whatever.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-18
What was the reason? To do whatever they could to assure that nobody with power and authority would ever reveal just how treasonous the obama/clinton crime cartel had been.

07-Feb-18
Also, what if Sessions recused himself, perhaps with Trump's full knowledge and approval as part of their strategy to allow them plenty of rope, so as to avoid any and all appearance of involvement while his underlings took the responsibility for what they all did.

From: TD
07-Feb-18
Why was the ATF turned into a political weapon smuggling guns to mexico? Why was the IRS weaponized against political opponents? You KNOW Obamas AGs, both of them were politically biased to the degree that one was cited for Contempt of Congress and the other was taking private meetings on the tarmac with Bill while Hillary was under investigation by the AG. Looking VERY likely the FBI has been compromised from within as well. And people act like it has never happened before (J. Edger ring a bell?) and never will again. BS. It takes vigilance and the need to both ask questions and have them answered, then verified and proven the answers were full and truthful.... or I guarantee it will happen. Not just "again" but over and over and spread like cancer.

It's either some Polly Annish fantasy world...... or a hate for Trump (or the right) that anything justifies the means.... so they're OK with a "few bad apples" or people bending the rules..... as long as the outcome "is best for the country...." which I think the same FBI agents involved with handling both the Clinton investigation AND investigating/wiretapping Trump have been proven saying.... almost verbatim.

From: Bentstick81
07-Feb-18
The democrats will always live in denial, on anything they do, that's illegal. They can do no wrong. Just keep giving them more rope, to hang themselves. Can't fix stupid. 8^)))

From: JTV
07-Feb-18
Clinton the DNC/ Wasshername Schuuuultz RIGGED the rpimary election so Bernie couldnt get in.... that was a conspiracy .... the Dems were so fearful of Trump during the lead up to the election they would try anything to stop him... a conspiracy of many actors is easily believed and is what happened... then it continued into after the election as they tried to unseat a sitting POTUS ... and the Dem on here and in the fake news media run cover for these pukes.... schluff it off with a wave of their hand ..... despicable is what this whole conspiracy/scandal is .... everything predicted about it is now coming to fruition and the dems/FNM are even becoming more unglued ... this is history in the making ..

From: Grey Ghost
07-Feb-18
The last I checked political bias is not a crime. Steele's, Page's and Strzok's biases don't prove, or disprove, the validity of the dossier, nor the validity of the Page warrant, nor the validity of the Russian meddling investigation in general.

As I see it, all we have so far is someone at the FBI, or someone involved in the FISA application review process, failed to disclose who ultimately funded the dossier, instead they just called it "opposition research". And, it's been *alleged* portions of the dossier were unverified at the time it was used as evidence to obtain the warrant, and remains so.

The right has attempted to discredit every person involved, including many of their own appointed officials, in an effort to invalidate the warrant and the Russian meddling investigation. So far, nothing has changed with either of those.

And now we have our POTUS sitting on the minority rebuttal to the "memo" that he claims "totally vindicates" him, yet I haven't heard a single legal scholar even hint that anyone was been vindicated yet.

Let's see the minority memo, Mr. President.

07-Feb-18
Wonderful!

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-18
Seeing the texts shows that the obama/clinton crime cartel and their minions thought they knew better and were more important than both the will of the American people and the constitution.

From: elkmtngear
07-Feb-18

elkmtngear's embedded Photo
elkmtngear's embedded Photo
This:

From: TD
07-Feb-18
If the "totally vindicated" the POTUS was referring to was his campaign being wiretapped, which the media, the left and pretty much everybody anti-Trump came down on him about...... yeah..... I'd say he was totally vindicated..... turns out it was they who were wrong, Trump was right. Haven't heard nor seen any apologies yet though.....

From: bigeasygator
07-Feb-18
Trump's claim that he (not Page, not his campaign) was wiretapped by Obama (not the DOJ/FBI) is nowhere near being vindicated. If he would have said "Unbelievable!! Just found out the FBI wiretapped Carter Page!" he would be vindicated. That's not what he said. He chose his words on purpose and he's, at this stage, still wrong.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-18
So, you are driving along innocently and some runs into the passenger side of the car. You say "someone ran into me."

Of course, you are not telling the truth. They either ran into your passenger, or your car. They did not run into you.

From: JTV
07-Feb-18
"Still wrong" (lol).... like GG/Beg always are ... with a wave of their hand .... you two should get a gig at CNN or MSNBC, you'd fit right in ... smh ...

From: JTV
07-Feb-18

JTV's Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ejHPr9OFN0

From: TD
07-Feb-18
Yeah... right..... how could I have not seen it was Carter Page they "needed an insurance policy for...." or " this was for the good of the country...." or they needed to form a secret group for.....

good grief.....

From: JTV
07-Feb-18

JTV's Link
just tossin' this out there ......

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/outstanding-president-trumps-approval-rating-tops-barack-obama-4-points-time-presidency/

From: bigeasygator
07-Feb-18
Henry, in your scenario, Trump’s accusation was closer to saying “Ford Motor Company assaulted me!” than “someone hit me.”

From: trublucolo
07-Feb-18
Libertarian my ass.

From: bad karma
07-Feb-18
The last I checked political bias is not a crime. Steele's, Page's and Strzok's biases don't prove, or disprove, the validity of the dossier, nor the validity of the Page warrant, nor the validity of the Russian meddling investigation in general.

Acting based on political bias is. And the latest texts between Strzok and Page certainly suggest this.

And quit using nonsequiturs to say "that doesn't affect the validity of the dossier. It's disingenuous and you know it.

As I see it, all we have so far is someone at the FBI, or someone involved in the FISA application review process, failed to disclose who ultimately funded the dossier, instead they just called it "opposition research". And, it's been *alleged* portions of the dossier were unverified at the time it was used as evidence to obtain the warrant, and remains so.

4 someones. And no, it's not alleged, it's admitted in testimony by Comey. Get it right.

The right has attempted to discredit every person involved, including many of their own appointed officials, in an effort to invalidate the warrant and the Russian meddling investigation. So far, nothing has changed with either of those.

Worthless claim, since there is no one position of "The right." Trey Gowdy certainly has not. You're taking the Sean Hannitys of the world and trying to force everyone else to adopt their positions.

And now we have our POTUS sitting on the minority rebuttal to the "memo" that he claims "totally vindicates" him, yet I haven't heard a single legal scholar even hint that anyone was been vindicated yet.

And that has nothing to do with the evidence. It's his opinion. Nothing more.

Come on. I expected better of you.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-18
Any normal case that had this much manufacturing of evidence followed by other prosecutorial misconducts would be thrown out and charges brought against the prosecutor(s) - regardless of innocence of guilt of the charged party.

From: Sixby
08-Feb-18
First, Every moron knows that no one is being investigated for a specific crime. Regardless of all the evidence, both false and real that people keep fighting about. The Mueller investigation is bogus in that there is no clear or declared crime being investigated. We do need a real criminal investigation. Of Hillery Clinton, of destruction of Federal property with intent to hide criminal activity. Specifically of anything concerning Russian payments to Bill Clinton and to the Clinton Foundation for services rendered (Uranium 1) just for starters. Establishing private servers for use as Secretary of State which exposed people and operational processes and Top Secret Information to the entire world. We most certainly could find those Emails in Iran, Pakistan, England, Germany, Austria, N Korea, China and any other state that employs pro hackers. She even posted to the POTUS which would open up his emails to those nations. Talk about a criminal. She paid millions of dollars to Fusion GPS to find anything they could on Donald Trump., FEd them information she wanted in the dossier and then had McCAin feed it to the FBI which was already weaponized with leadership in the tank. Then we have McCAbe, Comey , and LOrd only who else or how many conspiring to set Hillery free with the directions coming directly from the Loretta Lynch cabal under orders from Hillery ViA direct talks on the tarmac with Bill Clinton. Where did Loretta Lynch get her orders from? We have proof up to her but is there real proof that goes further up the chain. Lets see ., Is Samantha Powers , (KEY) who got over 275 outings of US citizens from the corrupt NSA ran by Brennen the weak link? How about the gal that Trump fired that was interm head of the justice dept? Was she connected to both FBI and Comey and McCabe , Haven't heard anything from her but definately a Hillery fan and a Trump hater. Some link will break, This truck is going down the hill and over the cliff. Can't wait.

God bless, Steve

From: Grey Ghost
08-Feb-18
"And quit using nonsequiturs to say "that doesn't affect the validity of the dossier. It's disingenuous and you know it."

Please don't misquote me. I said, it doesn't "prove, or disprove..." not "affect". I believe that to be a factual statement.

4 someones. And no, it's not alleged, it's admitted in testimony by Comey. Get it right..

Comey's testimony doesn't dismiss the entire dossier. He called portions of it "salacious and unverified". In fact, he refused to answer the question when asked if any of the criminal allegations in the dossier were verified. Re-read his testimony carefully.

Worthless claim, since there is no one position of "The right." Trey Gowdy certainly has not. You're taking the Sean Hannitys of the world and trying to force everyone else to adopt their positions.

My apologies for generalizing.

And that has nothing to do with the evidence. It's his opinion. Nothing more.

Obviously Trump's opinion has nothing to do with the evidence. I'll give you that.

Come on. I expected better of you.

Likewise.

Matt

From: zeke
08-Feb-18
The last I checked political bias is not a crime. And the last I checked Russian collusion is not a crime.

From: Tiger-Eye
08-Feb-18
Political bias is not a crime but it goes toward motive. Combine that with manufactured evidence you have a mistrial, contempt of court, and most likely disbarment for the lawyer(s) involved if not jail time.

From: bad karma
08-Feb-18
It amazes me that there are people here who wish to justify the Obama administration's obtaining a FISA warrant based primarily, if not completely, on not FD302 investigative reports, but a political hit piece authored by a far from credible source. And that it's also apparently okay to not bother to disclose the nature of the source of the information to a judge in an ex parte hearing, not once, but four times.

And even funnier, when I was told that someone trusted Hugh Hewitt more than me, I later posted a Hewitt article quoting a federal judge who would have immediately invalidated the warrant upon hearing of this, it is blown off.

But that's okay, it's only the most invasive surveillance one can be subjected to, and after all, Page was helping the Trump campaign. So, it's not a big deal.

From: bigeasygator
08-Feb-18
Here's what I have a problem with, at this stage:

Implicating Obama. Haven't seen a single shred of evidence that connects Obama in anyway. Continuing to highlight the Obama administration is obviously a way to perpetuate the partisan conspiracy theory. Why not be more factually accurate and say "the Obama administration's obtaining and the Trump administration's extension (three times) of a FISA warrant?" No need to respond to that, I think we all know the answer.

Nobody has seen either the minority memo or the underlying FISA application and has no clue how important the dossier (on its own) was in obtaining the warrant. We have no idea what kind of intelligence and evidence was used to corroborate parts of the dossier.

I read the Hugh Hewitt piece, and responded to it. Again, my takeaways were using quotes directly from the article 1) it is a "damning omission" and "breach of trust" and looks bad for the FBI. 2) "The FISA court to which the application was made might well have issued the warrant even if it knew the provenance of the intelligence" 3) "That an omission of a material fact occurred in the warrant application does not indict former FBI director James B. Comey or any of the other reviewing or approving officials up to and including Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein." And yes, I read what the judge said in that article. I would also guess that all judges wouldn't have acted the same. I'd also imagine that in responding to the show cause order, the warrant might have been reissued. Hard to say at this stage.

Without the whole story, it seems to be a lot of conjecture on both sides at this stage. To that end, is there anything the Democratic memo can say that would diminish the significance of the Nunes memo, bk?

From: Grey Ghost
08-Feb-18
It amazes me that some choose to jump to the conclusion that a FISA warrant was obtained "primarily, if not completely" by a partially unverified and non-disclosed piece of evidence. We have no idea if portions of the dossier were verified, or not. Nor do know what other evidence was presented to justify the warrant.

It also amazes me that some choose to use the above assumption to conclude that a suspicious warrant renders the entire Russian meddling investigation invalid.

And even funnier, when I accurately paraphrased what Hugh Hewitt said on the program I watched, I then get accused of "blowing off" a quote that Hugh included in a later article that I still haven't read, all because of a bruised ego.

Matt

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-18
These same people who think it too far fetched for Hillary loyalists to fake evidence in order to wiretap Trump's team, somehow believe the Tom Clancy novel of claimed collusion between Trump and Russia to steal the election. With no evidence and no quid pro quo (like the Uranium One deal or cash payoffs to Bill Clinton) from Trump other than his bombing their Syrian allies and arming the Ukranians against then. Yeah, a true manchurian candidate, ha!

How far would Obama/Clinton people go to advance their cause (the Obamacare lies, the Iran nuke deal, the private email servers, the Bengazzi lies about a Youtube video, John Kerry advising the Palestiaians against us, etc)

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-18
Ohhhh that Trump is tricky, blowing up 100 Syrians this morning to only make us THINK he is not doing Putin' bidding!! The oldest double secret manchurian trick in the book!

Where Obama only LOOKED like he was helping the Iranians sending plane loads of cash to them. When he was really just making us look soft to give them a false send of security!

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-18
BEG -the Obama connection is the text from FBI agents Paige and Strzok (the dirtiest anti-Trump players in this scandal) stating that "potus wants to know everything we are doing".

In addition, on June 30 2016 they wrote anothet text explaining how they changed the wording in a Comey report from "President" (Obama at that time) to instead read just "another senior government official".

From: bigeasygator
08-Feb-18

bigeasygator's Link
BowSniper, saying Obama wants to know "everything we're doing" can mean just about anything. As the attached WSJ points out, we have no idea what the text refers to and "FBI employees said it refers to preparation to brief Obama about Russian interference in that year's election." This exchange happened to be days before he confronted Putin regarding the meddling.

So, yeah, it could be a President wanting to get up-to-speed on an issue...or it could be a President wanting to influence and weaponize the investigative arm of the government. Occam's razor.

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-18
WHY do those who overuse terms like "Occam's Razor" always fail to apply that same argument to their own claims.... i.e. the Trump / Russia collusion theory ??????

From: JTV
08-Feb-18
again with the wave of their hand .... smh .... yep, they should get a gig on CNN

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-18
Maybe it was innocent when Paige and Strzok (the two dirtiest players in this FBI investigation, who were reassigned off the case because of their anti-Trump bias/animus) were saying Obama wanted to know they were doing. And when they talked about renting the movie "All the Presidents Men" to brush up on watergate, it was for their kids school book report assignment. And maybe when they were in McCabe's office taking about an insurance policy they just wanted to save an extra 15% with Geico!

From: bigeasygator
08-Feb-18
I don't think there's anything that implicates Trump directly, and I've never accused him of such. I do think there's a bunch of shady dealings that are fact that contradict the statements coming out of his mouth that there was no contact with Russians (including the Page warrant, the Trump Tower meeting, etc). I think it's worth following up on those.

This doesn't mean a crime was committed. I think his biggest exposure is likely on obstruction of justice, but I think it all seems like a stretch with respect to actual crimes being committed.

With regards to the Strzok text regarding "potus wants to know everything," it's worth following up on that. Nowhere have I ever said none of these things ARE nothing. What I've said is my initial reaction to all of these scenarios is the theory that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the best - that doesn't mean it's always right. That is counter to a lot of folks here who are ready to indict with incomplete, ambiguous, and vague information.

From: JTV
08-Feb-18
BEG, you never played connect the dots ? ... the dots are making one heck of a picture right now ... those dots are post daily on here... they point to a conspiracy within the upper echelons of the DOJ/FBI and higher who exonerated Clinton and her minions when they should have been charged with crimes ... Clinton and the DNC RIGGED, yes RIGGED the primary against Bernie Sanders, this is a proven fact, and yet you refuse to believe there are those that would do the same against another candidate ....

From: JTV
08-Feb-18
Beg, here are some dots for you to connect on Clinton ...

As Investigations Of Misconduct Mount, Can Hillary Clinton Avoid Jail? 1/08/2018

Clinton Scandals: As the media focus on Donald Trump's mental condition and whether he can be kicked out of office using the 25th Amendment, something far more significant is taking place: Former slam-dunk-future-first-woman-president Hillary Clinton, after avoiding any serious scrutiny for her misconduct while secretary of state, now sits at the center of a growing number of investigations — any of which might lead to a special counsel and criminal charges.

No doubt, Democrats, who with the leftist media allies have ginned up bogus charges of Russian collusion against Donald Trump, would like the Clinton investigations to go away.

But they won't. In recent weeks, new developments have made it shockingly clear that questions about Clinton's possibly criminal conduct are growing. All of these have come in the last month:

The Department of Justice is looking into what looks like a pattern of "pay-to-play" surrounding the Russian-linked Uranium One deal and the Clinton Family Foundation.

DOJ is taking a hard look at Hillary Clinton's clearly illegal use of a home-brew email server to conduct classified State Department business, a decision that opened U.S. secrets to possible hacking by the Russians, Chinese and other potential foes. New revelations from a Judicial Watch report show, for instance, that 18 classified emails were found on the laptop of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of top Hillary aide Huma Abedin. That's a clear violation of the law.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, in a deal with the FBI, will get full access to the FBI's Russian collusion investigation, including unedited files and memos, and access to witnesses.

Meanwhile, Nunes also gained access to the banking records of opposition research firm FusionGPS, which may show the extent of Hillary Clinton's involvement in funding the so-called Clinton dossier that the FBI used to request surveillance on Trump campaign officials.

As reported in IBD recently, a new Federal Election Commission complaint filed by the Committee to Defend the President (CDP) claims Clinton's "Hillary Victory Fund" used state chapters of her 2016 campaign to get around campaign donation limits, a violation of the law. "Roughly $84 million may have been laundered in what might be the single largest campaign finance scandal in U.S. history," wrote Dan Backer, a campaign finance and political lawyer who works with CDP. Perhaps most devastating for Clinton, an Office of the Inspector General investigation has been ongoing as part of recent congressional probes. That report is due out Jan. 15, but may already be in the hands of Congress. As the financial website ZeroHedge noted, "The OIG report ... is expected to present (OIG's) findings to Congressional investigators regarding a wide variety of alleged bias and malfeasance by the FBI, the Clinton campaign, and the Obama Administration — both during and after the 2016 election." From Investors.com

From: bigeasygator
08-Feb-18
JTV, having a bunch of dots (some stronger than others) doesn't mean they are all connected. And again, seeing the DNC favor a candidate in a scheme that involves a few people to be in on the gig is a lot different than a conspiracy that implicates multiple government agencies (from the top to the bottom), involves multiple federal judges, and involves the involvement of appointments across two presidential administrations. Again, this DOJ/FBI/Obama/Clinton thing requires a lot more dots and a lot of unproven assumptions to assumptions - way more than the DNC primary thing. Not saying it didn't happen...I'm saying I'm skeptical.

From: Beendare
08-Feb-18
OMG, so the left side argument is that all of that political bias means nothing?

The big question Here; Why didn't the FBI corroborate the Steele claims before going to FISA? It sure seems like their bias got in the way. Especially when they knew its originations were from Clinton....and didn't tell the court. Those 2 tidbits are pretty good indicators.

It was Comey himself in previous testimony so much as said it was 'Salicious and unverified'- or something to that effect. Total breaking of FBI procedure...can't blame the rank and file FBI on that...it rests solely with the upper brass. >>>---------------->

Then wiretapping a presidential candidates office......OMG, why even bother....whatever was said there will never see the light of day.....oh wait, unless that big mouth Adam Schiff character gets it then it will be front page headlines. I don't think that guy has every kept a secret in his life.....tells you his popularity is more important than his character.

From: Bentstick81
08-Feb-18
Pi$$ on the dems. They are more of a threat to America, than any country could be.

From: bigeasygator
08-Feb-18
Beendare, nobody knows how much of the dossier has been verified. I would guess there are plenty of parts that have been corroborated with independent intelligence and they weigh heavily in the application. There can still be salacious and unverified parts (which is what Comey said - that parts were salacious and unverified, not all of it). Again, that’s why it would be nice to see more information.

From: Bentstick81
25-Feb-18
Anyone have any updates on this???

From: JTV
25-Feb-18

JTV's Link
Right here .... ^^

From: JTV
25-Feb-18

JTV's Link
And here see link and Read ... ^^

From: bigeasygator
25-Feb-18
Well, the Schiff memo is out and it challenges the Nunes memo in a few key areas:

1. The dossier was only narrowly used in the FISA application and that there was a host of additional information used in the four warrant applications.

2. The court was made aware that the dossier was a political hit piece aimed at discrediting the Trump campaign.

3. The Yahoo article wasn’t cited as corroborating info but instead to inform the court of Page's public denial of his suspected meetings in Moscow.

4. Parts of the dossier were indeed confirmed and corroborated by independent sources.

5. The dossier was not the reason for conducting a counterintelligence investigation into Page. That investigation was started nearly two months before the FBI was made aware of the dossier.

From: JTV
25-Feb-18
the Dem memo is a big NOTHING BURGER... its nothing and does nothing to over run Nunes memo.... the Dems and such as our local dweebs will seize on it... there is no there there with the Dem memo ...

From: JTV
25-Feb-18
SaraCarter.com .....House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes said the Democratic opposition memo did not change the facts or change the outcome of the investigation’s finding his committee released in their own partisan memo several weeks ago.

On Saturday the much anticipated Democratic memo written by ranking minority member of the committee Rep. Adam Schiff, R-CA, was released and surmised that former British spy “Christopher Steele’s raw intelligence reporting did not inform the FBI’s decision to initiate its counterintelligence investigation in late July, 2016” among other assertions. The dossier played a significant role in the investigation into President Trump’s 2016 campaign and alleged that members of the Trump campaign were colluding with the Russian government against then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

“The American people now clearly understand that the FBI used political dirt paid for by the Democratic Party to spy on an American citizen from the Republican Party,”

Nunes, R-CA, fought back Saturday against Schiff. Nunes said the Democratic memo did not dispel the original findings of the committee, which he noted were also validated by an investigation headed by the Senate Judiciary Committee into Steele and his role in providing the FBI with the unverified dossier. Senate Judiciary Chairman Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC, made a criminal referral to the Department of Justice last month and released their findings after receiving approval from the FBI.

“The American people now clearly understand that the FBI used political dirt paid for by the Democratic Party to spy on an American citizen from the Republican Party,” said Nunes in a statement released Saturday. “Furthermore, the FISA court was misled about Mr. Page’s past interactions with the FBI in which he helped build a case against Russian operatives in America who were brought to justice,” said Nunes, in a statement.”

“It defies belief that the Department of Justice and FBI failed to provide information to a secret court that they had provided to an open federal court regarding their past interactions with Mr. Page, ” Nunes said.

Carter Page told this reporter Saturday that the accusations made against him in the Democratic memo will backfire and he is requesting that all his FISA applications be made public.

He said the “latest smear campaign by DNC loyalists is going to turn out the same way as their original multimillion dollar attack of 2016.”

“As we’ve seen many times before with the felonious news leaks of the past year, this new round of misinformation surrounding efforts by Washington to illegally influence the 2016 election inflicts even more damages on the instigating perpetrators from the swamp,” he said. “Today’s memo further underscores the critical importance of the immediate disclosure of all my FISA applications and other relevant documents.

The documents have also been requested by the House Intelligence Committee, both Congressional Judiciary Committees, Judicial Watch, the New York Times and Yale Law School, he added.

But Schiff and the Democrats argued that Nunes’ committee left out crucial information in the memo they released last month on their investigation. Schiff argued that the FBI did reveal to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that the dossier was possibly connected to the political opposition.

However, in a point by point rebuttal of Schiff’s memo, Republican’s point out that it was not the case. But rather, the FBI obscured the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee actually began funding Steele through the Fusion GPS research firm beginning in April, 2016.

“As clearly stated in the GOP memo , none of the Page FISA applications “disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts,” stated a point by point document released Saturday from the Republican committee members. “Instead, the FISA application relies on a convoluted statement buried in a footnote. This is clearly an attempt to avoid informing the Court, in a straightforward manner that t he DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. (Taking a cue from DOJ and FBI, the Democrat memo omits any reference to the DNC or Clinton campaign.)” s=”column”>

The Republican statement went on to say that the “footnote obscures, rather than clarifies Steele’s political motivation — and what DOJ and FBI officials actually knew about the dossier’s political origins . The footnote “speculates” on the “likely” motivation of “U.S. Person”

Here’s the point by point refutation from Republicans of the Democratic memo:

Democrats: Christopher Steele’s raw intelligence reporting did not inform the FBI’s decision to initiate its counterintelligence investigation in late July, 2016.

Republicans: As stated in the declassified GOP memo on FISA abuse, information about Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos “triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in the late July 2016 by FBI agent Peter Strzok.” Once underway, the inve stigation was fueled by Christopher Steele’s dossier, which the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) used to get a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on Carter Page. DOJ and FBI’s reliance on the DNC – and Clinton – campaign funded dossier in court filings, not the overall investigation, is the focus of the GOP memo.

Democrats: DOJ’s FISA warrant application was based on “compelling evidence” and “probable cause” of Page’s pre-campaign activities.

Republicans: The Democrat memo fails to explain why, if evidence of Page’s past activities was so compelling, the Steele dossi er was used in the FISA application at all, much less formed the “bulk” of the Page FISA application.

The Democrat memo also fails to explain why, if DOJ and FBI had “probable cause” that Page was a Russian agent, they waited until shortly after receivin g the Steele dossier to seek a warrant. (As noted on page 3 of the Democrat memo, the dossier “reach[ed] the counterintelligence team investigating Russia at FBI headquarters” in “mid – September 2016,” just a few weeks before the initial FISA application.)

Additionally, the Democrat memo — like the FISA application itself — paints an incomplete and misleading picture of Page’s past activities and interactions with the FBI . Both omit that, in a secretly – taped statement reproduced in a 2015 federal court filing, a Russian intelligence officer called Page “an idiot.” This omission could mislead the reader regarding the Russians’ assessment of Page’s capabilities and utility, and it is troubling that DOJ failed to provide to a secret court material information fro m a public court filing .

By participating in voluntary interviews with FBI, Page cooperated with the successful prosecution of t he Russian intelligence officer who called him “an idiot” — and two of his colleagues.

Democrats: A specific subsection of the Page FISA application refers to Steele’s reporting on Page and his alleged coordination with Russian officials.

Republicans: As confirmed by Senators Grassley and Graham’s criminal referral of Steele, the dossier formed “a significant portion ” of the Carter Page FISA application.

Democrats: DOJ provided additional information obtained through multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele’s reporting.

Republicans: At the time of the initial application, all of the Steele dossier’s specific claims about Page — including that he met with Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin in Moscow in July 2016 — were uncorroborated by any independent source, and they remain unconfirmed.

Democrats: DOJ provided the Court with “more than sufficient information to understand the political context of Steele’s research.”

Republicans: As clearly stated in the GOP memo , none of the Page FISA applications “disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts.”

Instead, the FISA application relies on a convoluted statement buried in a footnote . This is clearly an attempt to avoid informing the C ourt, in a straightforward manner that t he DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. (Taking a cue from DOJ and FBI, the Democrat memo omits any reference to the DNC or Clinton campaign.)

Moreover, the footnote obscures, rather than clarifies Steele’s political motivation — and what DOJ and FBI officials actually knew about the dossier’s political origins . The footnote “speculates” on the “likely” motivation of “U.S. Person” — Fusion GPS co – founder Glenn Simpson — while intimating that “Source #1” — Steele — was unaware “as to the motivation behind the research.” In fact, as disclosed in the GOP memo and confirmed by the Graham – Grassley referral, Steele was motivated by a “desperate” desire to keep Donald Trump from becoming President.

Democrats: DOJ explained the FBI’s reasonable basis for finding Steele credible

Republicans: FBI’s reliance on Steele’s credibility was badly misplaced. Steele violated FBI’s trust by making unauthorized disclosures to the media in October 2016, resulting in his termination as an FBI source.

Moreover, as explained in Senators Graham and Grassley’s declassified criminal referral of Steele, he “told the FBI he had not shared the Carter Page dossier information beyond his client [Glenn Simpson] and FBI,” and DOJ “repeated that claim to the FISC” — four times . In reality, in September 2016 — before the initial FISA application — Steele had personally shared dossier information with:

Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News , which published a September 2016 article on Page usin g Steele’s information (as now publicly confirmed by Isikoff); At least four other U.S. media outlets (confirmed in Steele’s May 2017 U.K. court filing, which was made before — but not disclosed in the June 2017 FISA renewal); Associate Deputy Attorney Ge neral Bruce Ohr, whose wife was employed by Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Trump (as described in the GOP memo); A senior State Department official, Jonathan Winer (publicly confirmed by Winer in a Washington Post op – ed); Perkins Coie , the law firm for DNC and the Clinton campaign (as described in the GOP memo). Finally, notwithstanding FBI’s confidence in Steele , at the time of the initial FISA application the agency had virtually no visibility into the credibility of Steele’s sub – sources and sub – sub – sources who originated the dossier’s allegations.

Democrats: The GOP memo does not cite evidence that Steele disclosed to Yahoo News details included in the FISA warrant.

Republicans: As noted in the Democrat memo, both the initial FISA application and the Steele dossier include the allegation from Steele that Carter Page met with two specific Russians, Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin, in July 2016. A September 2016 article by Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News contains the exact same allegation , attributed to a “well – placed Western intelligence source.” Steele has admitted to meeting with Yahoo News in September 2016, and Isikoff has publicly confirmed that Steele was a source for the article.

Democrats: DOJ never paid Steele for the “dossier”

Republicans: As clearly stated in the GOP memo, FBI authorized payment to Steele for the dossier information — before he was terminated as an FBI source for making unauthorized disclosures to the media. This financial motivation was not disclosed to the Court.

Democrats: The GOP memo’s reference to Bruce Ohr is misleading.

Republicans: Steele’s desperation to keep Donald Trump from becoming President — described in the GOP memo and confirmed by the Graham – Grassley referral — was known to senior DOJ official Bruce Ohr before the initial FISA application, and known t o FBI before any of the renewals. (The summary of Ohr’s first interview with FBI about Steele is dated November 22, 2016.)

Remarkably, neither Steele’s bias, nor Ohr’s relationship with Steele or the FBI, nor the fact that Ohr’s wife worked for Fusion GPS on its DNC – and Clinton campaign – funded Trump research, was disclosed to the Court in any of the FISA applications.

Democrats: Peter Strzok and Lisa Page’s text messages are irrelevant to the FISA application.

Republicans: Strzok opened the counterintelligence investigation of which the Carter Page FISA application was a part. Additionally, both Strzok and Lisa Page were members of the team conducting the investigation, which page 3 of the Democrat memo itself describes as “so closely held.” Especially given the small size of the team, the apparent bias of the investigators displayed in Strzok – Page text messages is highly relevant to an analysis of the investigation, including the controversial decision to seek a FISA war.

From: Annony Mouse
25-Feb-18
DECONSTRUCTING THE SCHIFF MEMO: From the First Bullet, a Litany of Lies and Disinformation

"...But, thanks to the Timeline of Treason, we can easily find the contradictions, fabrications, and propaganda woven throughout the Schiff document.

Don't believe the article, then check out Timeline of Treason for yourself.

From: bb
25-Feb-18
"4. Parts of the dossier were indeed confirmed and corroborated by independent sources."

Moscow is a city in Russia, Trump is the US President, Putin is the Russian President.....

"3. The Yahoo article wasn’t cited as corroborating info but instead to inform the court of Page's public denial of his suspected meetings in Moscow." I seem to remember the denials were of meetings in Prague, which the lack of entries on his passport seem to corroborate. And we're to believe anything Schiff says because he has a long history of being trustworthy?

From: JTV
25-Feb-18
and it was Schiff who was pranked by the Russian radio DJ's and he fell for it ...lol ... ...yea, like I believe any damn things the dems say or print .... all they do is cover for Obama and Clinton and the rest of the buttwipe administration (Obama's)

From: Annony Mouse
25-Feb-18
Chairman Nunes CRUSHES Schiff’s Memo With Point by Point Refutation

Note: too many big words and not enough pictures for the likes of Paul Zeidan, indoctrinator extraordinary of Briarcliff Manor HS to understand.

From: JTV
25-Feb-18
Ooooops, Schiff screwed up again ..... LOL ....

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