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05-Feb-18
The House Intel Committee has voted unanimously to make Dem counter-memo public. Question is, will trump allow it. Whats interesting is that the Nunes, Republican memo was voted on along party lines. Democratic memo is voted unanimously. Tribal politics at its finest.

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18

05-Feb-18
The vote to release the new memo gives President Trump five days to decide whether or not to release something that might undercut what he considered personal vindication.

IF Trump releases the memo, will iit be redacted (edited) so he can remove whatever incriminates him? If he refuses to release or redacts, it should speak volumes!

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-18
In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee – In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He’s a Spy…

In 2013 Carter Page was working as an under-cover employee (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial. [Note – Pay attention to the names in the following citations]

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From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
ryan from boone. (atheist) It won't matter if Trump releases the LYING Dems memo, or not. You have already came up with excuses, no matter which one he does. I hope he doesn't let the memo out. mueller was suppose to be investigating russian collusion. Now it's obstruction of justice. What will it be next? Trump should be vindicated. There is nothing on the collusion, so now dip$hit mueller has moved to o- of justice. That isn't what mueller was selected for. One thing that Trump is guilty of, is proving to everyone on here, just how much of a dumba$$ you are. PRICELESS! 8^)

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
hey atheist. Mark Levin is going to be on Hannity in fifteen minutes. You and the rest of the dems need to watch him tonight, and i would like to see any of you guys prove what he says, wrong. This oughta be good. 8^))

From: Bentstick81
05-Feb-18
He is really sharp. He is hitting on great points. I agree JTV.

From: Sixby
06-Feb-18
Keep investigating Shiff, You don't know half of it or how wicked his background is and what it is rooted in. Check out his grandfather and where their money comes from.

God bless, Steve

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-18
Speaking of two memos...

A Tale of Two Memos: Mulvaney, Nunes Missives Both Press Rule of Law

The story of the Trump administration this year has been the story of two memos. There is the Nunes Memo, from the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, describing “abuses” by the FBI and the Department of Justice in wiretapping a volunteer adviser to the Trump campaign.

And there is the Mulvaney Memo, from the acting director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Mick Mulvaney, which has gained less attention but which may ultimately be even more significant in restoring the rule of law.

The Mulvaney Memo, issued January 23 as an email to all CFPB employees, is worth carving into granite, or at least quoting at some length. It encapsulates a humility and restraint and respect for rule of law that is often all too lacking in government.

Mr. Mulvaney wrote, “We don’t just work for the government, we work for the people. And that means everyone: those who use credit cards, and those who provide those cards; those who take loans, and those who make them; those who buy cars, and those who sell them. All of those people are part of what makes this country great. And all of them deserve to be treated fairly by their government.”

“It is not appropriate,” he went on, for any government entity to ‘push the envelope’ when it comes into conflict with our citizens. The damage that we can do to people could linger for years and cost them their jobs, their savings, and their homes. If the CFPB loses a court case because we ‘pushed too hard,’ we simply move on to the next matter.

“But where do those that we have charged go to get their time, their money, or their good names back? If a company closes its doors under the weight of a multi-year Civil Investigative Demand, you and I will still have jobs at CFPB. But what about the workers who are laid off as a result? Where do they go the next morning?”

Then this: “On regulation, it seems that the people we regulate should have the right to know what the rules are before being charged with breaking them. ... I intend to execute the statutory mandate of the Bureau to protect consumers. But we will no longer go beyond that mandate. If Congress wants us to do more than is set forth in the Dodd-Frank Act, they can change the law. Until then, we will enforce the law as currently written.”

The idea that people “should have the right to know what the rules are before being charged with breaking them” may seem like common sense, but in contemporary times it has seemed more like a distant ideal than actual government policy or practice.

So the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of Law at NYU Law School, Richard Epstein, could write in a 2013 article in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, adapted from remarks at a 2012 Federalist Society Symposium, that, “it is perhaps only wishful thinking to believe that we can return to a pristine era in which these basic principles — known, consistent, and certain rules applied prospectively by neutral judges — apply.”

For that definition of the rule of law, Mr. Epstein cited the English philosopher John Locke’s 1689 Second Treatise on Government, which inspired the founders of America. Locke wrote, “the ruling power ought to govern by declared and received laws, and not by extemporary dictates and undetermined resolutions... that both the people may know their duty, and be safe and secure within the limits of the law; and the rulers too kept within their bounds, and not be tempted, by the power they have in their hands.”

With the notable exceptions of Matt Levine of Bloomberg News, who praised the Mulvaney Memo, and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, which reprinted a version of it, the mainstream press corps greeted it with derision. The New York Times ran a front-page news article impugning Mr. Mulvaney’s integrity by suggesting, with no evidence, that he’d been improperly swayed by donations to his previous campaigns for Congress, and by a decision by one industry group to have a convention at a Trump-branded hotel in Florida.

The Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post covered the story under the headline “How Mick Mulvaney Is Dismantling a Federal Agency,” describing Mr. Mulvaney as “malicious” and “perverted.”

It’s a good thing the Times and the Post weren’t around during the American Revolution, because if they’d have given John Locke’s Second Treatise the treatment they are giving the Mulvaney Memo, we’d all still be taking arbitrary orders from Buckingham Palace.

Instead of hurling insults at Mulvaney or questioning his motives, the Washington press corps might consider other ways of advancing this newsworthy story. It could start by asking whether Mr. Mulvaney — who also serves as director of the White House Office of Management and Budget — intends for this approach to apply government-wide, or just to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It might ask President Trump the same question.

Already, there are at least some hopeful signs that the answer is yes, and that we’ll see fewer shakedowns and vendettas. In December the Federal Reserve even released a proposal to “increase the transparency of its stress testing program” for banks.

In the end the Nunes Memo and the Mulvaney Memo both get at a similar theme — that government officials, whether FBI agents or consumer financial protection bureaucrats, need to follow the law, and that the law should be known in advance and applied impartially. More than 300 years after Locke’s Second Treatise, you’d think this would not be such an intensely controversial point. Perhaps Professor Epstein was right when he called it wishful thinking. Good for Mr. Mulvaney, though, for giving it a try.

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-18

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Of Course: Adam Schiff and the Democrats Lard Up Their Rebuttal Memo with "Sources and Methods" Information, In Order to Force Trump to Redact It Or Deny Its Release, So They Can Claim "See?! He's Afraid of All Our Evidence"

Notice, however, the dogs that aren't barking: While the intel agencies and FBI screamed about "sources and methods" information in the Nunes memo that was never there, they're being quiet about Adam Schiff stocking this #FakeNews memo full of stuff he knows has to be redacted.

All of a sudden they're quiet about "sources and methods," because they're in on the con.

(Links at link)

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-18
Mouse, I stated multiple times that the litmus test on FBI/DOJ would be whether they treated both memos the same.

From: Bentstick81
07-Feb-18
Have you noticed that none of the dems on here wanted to try and prove Levin wrong. Pretty much proves that the $hit the dems bring on here is bull$hit, and lies.

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