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Are We Headed for a "Great Depression"?
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gflight 04-May-18
HDE 04-May-18
Spike Bull 04-May-18
MT in MO 04-May-18
Beendare 04-May-18
Woods Walker 04-May-18
slade 04-May-18
Woods Walker 04-May-18
JTV 04-May-18
Trax 04-May-18
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Woods Walker 04-May-18
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Trax 05-May-18
MT in MO 05-May-18
jjs 05-May-18
bad karma 05-May-18
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Beendare 10-May-18
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JTV 11-May-18
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Lever Action 13-May-18
Gingerale 14-May-18
Woods Walker 14-May-18
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Annony Mouse 14-Jul-18
Bowman 28-Aug-18
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From: gflight
04-May-18

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"Over 1,100 leading economists sent a letter to President Donald Trump urging the president to reverse course on recent trade tactics — lest the US repeat one of the biggest mistakes of the Great Depression.

The letter, organized by the conservative-leaning National Taxpayers Union, warned that recent tariffs and trade protectionism were harmful to the US economy. The economists cited a 1930 letter that warned Congress against passing the Smoot-Hawley Act, a large package of tariffs that many studies cite as a major reason for the depth of the Great Depression."

I still have mixed feelings and hope he just gets a better deal with our trade partners. We will see.....

From: HDE
04-May-18
We discussed this in my economics program a few years back. It was brought up as an item of discussion and yes, it could happen again. Only this time it would pale the Great Depression.

04-May-18
So now the lefties want an economy by consensus too!

Except for government interference, the Great Depression would not have been so great. Our history has been scrubbed so many times that reality is hard to come by. This country used to suffer from a much more volatile economy so there is plenty of historical examples. For instance, there was an equally bad depression in 1920 which the government did nothing about and it corrected itself in less than 18 months.

Let the free market work without all the idiot politicians trying to control things and, yes, on the small scale, we will have more corrections, but overall we will have a more stable economy without being forced to carry buggy whip manufacturers into the 22nd century, if you will.

From: MT in MO
04-May-18
Some people think we just had one. The difference between 1929 and today is there is lots more gov't social safety net spending than there was then. People don't hardly notice a down turn. What do you call an economic condition that adds more people to welfare and food stamps than at any other time in history? I'd call it a depression...

Will we have another one? As sure as it will rain somewhere today...particularly at the debt levels we see today. And not just federal debt. Personal debt is way up (mostly credit card and student loans), corporate debt is way up (bond issues and just plain old borrowing)...Some people think the next down turn will occur when the bond markets wake up and start treating a lot of corporate as junk, which a lot of it is.

Upward movements in long term interest rates will bankrupt some of these over extended companies because they cannot pay back the debt they have today at current rates and with higher interest rates appearing to be on the way, they won't be able to refinance today's debt at lower rates.

Downturns in the markets are a natural process of capitalism. The down turns are supposed to be used to flush out the weak hands. Instead the powers that be have been propping up the weak hands and letting them continue to go further and further in debt. The problem is, unlike the Federal Government, these weak companies cannot print their own money or influence interest rates. Market forces will eventually catch up to them...JMO

From: Beendare
04-May-18
No....but if you are worried about your investments in the stock market there is an easy solution; rotation.

You can hedge, buy/sell or rotate your investment allocation when the market is over sold...or vice versa. Before the "buy and hold' crowd blasts that strategy....I'm not talking go all in...then sell everything at the perceived peak.

There are happy mediums where you may not always outperform but you protect a significant amount of your assets from a huge drop.

From: Woods Walker
04-May-18
"Some people think we just had one. The difference between 1929 and today is there is lots more gov't social safety net spending than there was then. People don't hardly notice a down turn. What do you call an economic condition that adds more people to welfare and food stamps than at any other time in history? I'd call it a depression..."

BINGO!!! My property lost A ****ING THIRD of it's worth, my business and most all the other in my industry shrunk, and the foreclosure rates of people who for DECADES had no trouble paying their mortgage skyrocketed. In a way it was a blessing that my dad passed away 8 years ago so he didn't have to live through TWO depressions!

From: slade
04-May-18
Record exports cut US trade deficit to $49 billion by AP3 May 2018640

WASHINGTON (AP) — Record exports trimmed the U.S. trade deficit in March, the first drop in seven months in a massive gap that President Donald Trump is determined to shrink with an aggressive America first policy.

The Commerce Department says the trade deficit — the difference between what America sells and what it buys in foreign markets — slid to $49 billion, down from $57.7 billion in February and lowest since September.

Trump has vowed to bring down America’s massive deficits, which he blames on bad trade agreements and abusive practices by U.S. trading partners.

Exports rose in March to a record $208.5 billion, led by shipments of civilian aircraft and soybeans. Imports slipped 1.8 percent to $257.5 billion.

The United States ran a $20.5 billion surplus in the trade of services such as education and banking. But that was offset by a $69.5 billion deficit in the trade of goods.

Top administration officials are visiting Beijing this week for talks aimed at reducing America’s huge trade deficit in goods with China, which fell 11.6 percent in March to $25.9 billion. Trump is threatening to slap tariffs on up to $150 billion in Chinese products, and the Chinese have targeted $50 billion in U.S. products, including soybeans and small aircraft.

The administration is also seeking to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada, and has slapped tariffs on imported steel and aluminum.

Despite the reduction in March, the trade gap is up 18.5 percent to $163.4 billion so far this year.

The president views trade deficits as a sign of economic weakness that can be brought down by more aggressive trade policies. Most economists say they are caused by bigger economic forces, mainly the fact that the United States consistently spends more than it produces.

The trade gap has continued to rise since Trump entered the White House partly because the U.S. economy is strong and American consumers have an appetite for imported products and the confidence and financial wherewithal to buy them.

From: Woods Walker
04-May-18
Ultimately time will tell, but right now I think I would trust a person who's spent their entire working life in the private sector MAKING MONEY over some idiotic career politician who is about as qualified to run the American economy as I am doing brain surgery, and this INCLUDES the equally incompetent TV talking heads and their "polls". And this goes for BOTH sides of the aisle.

From: JTV
04-May-18
April unemployment 3.9% .... Trump Approval 51% ...

From: Trax
04-May-18
Previous to the election of President Trump we had 12 years of liberalism with 4 years of a nation recovering from a terrorist attack before that. Thank God we had conservative leaders like Newt Gingrich before that to force Slick Willy to follow their lead to a degree. Of course this nation was facing economic peril, and we have struggled. This nation was poised for a great economic recovery and then OBOZO was elected. That America hating race pimp set us back years, instead of a booming long term recovery we could only pee out a shadow of that. Now we have a president who has set the stage and created an environment for great economic prosperity. The swamp, led by the likes of Mueller and the liberal power snakes in Congress, are attacking Trump at every turn trying to not only slow him down but throw him out so they can once again seize their power. Every citizen in this country should be cheering for President Trump, he has every career politician and every blind dumb sheep against him.

From: sleepyhunter
04-May-18

sleepyhunter's Link

04-May-18
Trax , holy crap can you sling some BS. Bill Clinton presided over an amazing economy thanks to tech and Silicon Valley. Newt was a reptile standing in the way.

But this one really made me spit out my bourbon. “The nation was poised for a great recovery before OBOZO was elected...”.

Dude, we were losing over 200,000 jobs a month and hundreds of thousands of homes were going into foreclosure per month. Banks were about to shut their doors and all 3 car companies were about to go under. And do you think that would’ve solved itself? At least be a man and admit Obama stopped the bleeding. Hate him all you want but don’t be factually incorrect for the sake of a few pats on the back from some yahoos. You’re better than that.

From: Bentstick81
04-May-18
y f IMposter. You are a LYING, PHONY, FRAUD. Can you put anything on here that isn't a LIE??? And to think that you think Trump LIES. You make Trump look like a saint. 8^)))

From: Woods Walker
04-May-18
,"....... holy crap can you sling some BS."

You must have been looking in a mirror when you typed this! You are ****ing nuts.....really. Get some help.

04-May-18
What a F’ing idiot...Pat, get rid of the fool!

From: Trax
05-May-18
Slick Willy Clinton was just smart enough to bow to the likes of Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey and John Kasich. Willy was clueless but he signed Newt’s legislation which balanced the budget. Newt’s Contract with America was everything Willy was against. Parasite Barack Hussein OBOZO is perhaps the dumbest person to ever reside in the White House, but that is not what makes him the worse president. Obama is an America hating race pimp, a statist and socialist who was selling we the people and our sovereignty as a nation to the global cabal. His goal was to see this nation sink so other “less fortunate” could rise. He is and was a traitor. Economies run in cycles, administrations can only lessen or increase their effects. OBOZO was in a great position to see this country boom with new business and prosper, we were entering a cycle of recovery. He instead created an environment that stifled business growth, sending business overseas and incentivizing retraction instead of growth. He took an opportunity for record setting robust growth and flushed it down the toilet like one of his stinking turds. He has been a blight on this nation, a cancer. Blind dumb sheep like Paul Zeidan continue his work, sheep like him are the turds I speak of.

From: MT in MO
05-May-18

MT in MO's Link
Pretty interesting article that pretty much explains why one should not trust everything the economists say...

From: jjs
05-May-18
Yes, this country has been running on the edge of a big financial default, $20 Trillion + $200+ Trillion of unfunded liabilities and fiat currency it is not if but when. Social engineering from LBJ to current city, county,state and Fed without balance budget control is coming due. What is sad the real estate mortgage is back to no-doc that what brought the housing market down, Canada is going down the same road now. Illinois taxes of 100% are just paying the state pension program and it is or about to be rated in junk bond status. Gold/silver, Bible and bullets are going to be the only safe investments. As I referred once before, Trump will either go back to the Gold Standard or call a Jubilee which will cause some pain but will stop the death spiral. Anyone else has a better solution out of this let here it. Money talks and BS walk and PZ is disqualified from this discussion since he is a good socialist-progress-communist.

From: bad karma
05-May-18
Do the math. What happens when the interest on the national debt becomes so big that it overwhelms the rest of the budget. Government will try to inflate their way out of it.

From: bluedog
05-May-18
Kevin ,(and anybody else's thoughts also),

What's your opinion of the recent tax cuts regarding the national debt?

From: bad karma
05-May-18
They should have been accompanied by even larger spending cuts.

From: hmaxims
08-May-18
Let's all remember that Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School.

From: slade
08-May-18
now that's funny

09-May-18
Haha! You so called fiscal conservatives got sold out by a con man that convinced you that the debt and deficits only matter when a Dem is in Office. Years from now history will remember who blew the deficit up and who voted for it. Congratulations. You own this now.

From: Bentstick81
09-May-18
y f IMposter. "You so called fiscal conservatives got sold out by a con man". Hey i didn't vote for obama. 8^)))

09-May-18
PutZ, in typical Soros-DemocommiE fashion, you are all too conveniently forgeting Obama's DOUBLING of the debt!!

Wont I love it when Obama and all his cronies end up in pink jump suits picking up trash along the highway for Joe Arpaio.

From: Beendare
10-May-18
I've seen Clinton speak after he was president. His comments would be easy to find.

He admits to presiding over one of the biggest booms in history; the internet revolution. made his job real easy with money flooding in....though he left out that part. In fact the speech I saw he emphasized finding the "Next Internet" boom.

I think its funny how almost all of these politicians think. They never want to run a tight ship....just always looking to spend money on something.

I also think its funny that so many polarized citizens get bogged down in Trump debate when Congress is the real problem.

From: Beendare
10-May-18
Woods, where are you that property values dropped by a third?

I might have to take a road trip.

From: bad karma
10-May-18
I was not fooled by anyone. Trump is what I expected in some areas, in some, better than expected. And no, I did not vote for him, nor did I vote for the evil queen.

From: JTV
11-May-18

JTV's Link
and yet, the Trump economy is still on a roll and this country is better off than it has been in over 8 years ... and buttwipe libs like PutZ would love to put an end to this ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/nancy-pelosi-accurate-to-say-i-want-to-roll-back-gop-tax-cuts

From: JTV
11-May-18

JTV's Link
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/feds-collect-record-taxes-through-april-still-run-3854b-deficit

From: Lever Action
13-May-18
Economic collapses are orchestrated by the FED. Policy of this sort does not cause collapse. If a collapse does occur, the excuse (for public consumption) may well be connected to this policy but (as in 1928-1930) the real reason is FED policy.

From: Gingerale
14-May-18
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From: Woods Walker
14-May-18
Well glory be.....we have yet ANOTHER talking anus here on the CF to go with Paulabe and Fruitfly!

From: elkmtngear
14-May-18
No, just a spammer. Trying to drive traffic to her text link.

From: Annony Mouse
14-Jul-18
Market Analyst Mohamed El Erian: “USA is poised to win a trade war”…

Financial markets are essentially betting parlors. Mohamed El Erian is considered to be one of the better, perhaps currently the best/most influential, financial market analysts in the world. What El Erian outlines is something we have discussed at great length.

“When people realize that at the end of the day, the U.S. will prevail, because [China] is a less open economy, because [the U.S.] is a more dynamic economy, that ultimately you may end up in a situation where the U.S.’ position in global economic terms is better off.”

The multinationals (corporations and financial entities) don’t like President Trump; nor do they like any politician who expresses economic nationalism – with the exception of Chinese President Xi Jinping, whom they had been using as the fulcrum for their investment betting on the U.S. as following a service-driven economic model.

Trump has crushed that fulcrum. The economic globe is in a state of flux while it resets to the natural fulcrum with the U.S. as the centerpiece. Previously we have explained the dynamic of this flux-time as the space between two economic engines. Only President Trump could pull off this reset… his plans therein were assembled over decades.

Ultimately capital investment follows the pathway to the strongest and most consistent return. It is the natural order of finance for money to flow to toward strength. President Trump, and the dynamic economic team carrying out the America-first economic agenda, knows this truism will remain the one constant in an ever changing universe.

That’s why team Trump don’t worry about downside market fluctuations, outside of trying to remove talking points from the media narrative engineers. The team knows ultimately the money will flow toward the MAGAnomic result; a more ‘balanced’ U.S. economy.

Enhanced MAGAnomic policy to support a manufacturing and production base only increases the balance within the U.S. economy. Balance equals stability. Balance eliminates wealth disparity. Balance supports the middle-class of the economy. A strong middle-class equals a strong country.

With a strong country the influence of the U.S. increases. Global security is a downstream benefit from U.S. strength. Ultimately, at the 30,000 foot level, that’s why those who plan to benefit from global instability always need to focus on weakening the U.S.

Few people ever discuss the motives behind President Trump in this regard. Why give up the extraordinary indulgences afforded from a life of wealth accumulation? Why walk into the hardest task ever?… Think about it.

“Well, I don’t really have to do any holding together, now that I figured out what Trump is up to. He is shaking things out, but counting on Trump gravity to pull things back together as he moves along.

He is moving “forward” at speeds Obama could not even dream of.

You and I will be anti-Trump trolls one day and MAGA heroes the next. Get used to it. Trump speed is the new normal. Some will call it flip-flopping, but that’s not what it is. Trump is dodging and weaving through reality faster than the reality can react to disrupt his plans.

I was explaining this to my wife. This is a roller-coaster now. Trump is no longer waiting for people to keep up. He is taking his bewildering art-of-the-deal campaign schtick into geopolitics, and for a lot of people who can’t keep up or hold on, it will be a rough ride.

Trump is no longer playing only with evil and cunning players who are still predictable, easily beatable dopes, like Hillary. He is playing against killers, with his own team of killers, and all the while he has scheming creeps like Hillary, BGI, SPLC, and the neocons gunning for him. Snake Ryan ready to bite when nobody is looking. “Warhead” McCain screaming for Russian blood. Psycho Kim and Samoa Obama plotting some kind of intrigue to take him down. And THOSE are the lightweights.

This is the majors now. Trump has to outwit world-class adversaries and “frenemies” by defining the deals that they will agree to. One minute they will think Trump is their friend – the next minute, a cunning, bitter foe.

And he has to do this with evil cheerleaders like Warhead, Linderace, Dipsy Dowd, Maggie Haterman, and Fake Yapper trashing him or praising him alternately, no matter which way he goes. They can’t keep up, either.

Neither can many around him. I think that half of the problem with advisers crashing into each other is they don’t realize what Trump is doing.

And people will trash you, and they will trash me. Get used to it. I’ve already caught plenty of people mocking me. Well, just wait a week in Trump time. Look stupid and conned by Trump one minute, and you look like a sage three days later.

Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more. Trump has stood by and watched Perfect murder Good for 8 years – maybe longer. He’s not gonna do it. He’s going to deliver the best outcome possible, and he’s not waiting for us to feel relaxed about it.

Best presidency ever! Just hang on. More winning is coming, but a lot of people are going to scream that it’s all over at EVERY turn.

The best way through this is to define viewpoints, not people, because people will shift as they change position and velocity in Trump gravity. Bash the neocon, warmonger, and dopey globalist positions – not the people who are going to hold them one moment and come loose from them later.

Trump is Jupiter moving through the asteroid belt. He is going to pull people into his orbit. A few will get slung off into space, but most will come along for the ride of their lives.

I am ON the Trump Train for good, even if I scream that I want off and can’t take it.

In the end, I only want to scream “TOO MUCH WINNING!!!”

~ Wolfmoon, April 11th, 2017

From: Bowman
28-Aug-18

Bowman's Link
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28-Aug-18
Lol...Trump speed!

28-Aug-18
Great characterization! Thanks, Anony!

From: K Cummings
28-Aug-18
Not sure how I missed your 2 week old post Anony Mouse, but there is not much to disagree with there. I've often said that when it comes to trade, while there might be temporary discomfort, at the end of the day, China (and others) need us a heck of a lot more than we need them.

Having said that, I can't help but ask what a "muzzy swine" like El Eriam could possibly know about the American economy, and even if he did, why should we trust him? How do we know that he's not just engaging in "Taqiyya," and this isn't all just an elaborate plot to make America fail so the "goat humpers" can complete the caliphate, implement Sharia law, and make the entire country a "no-go zone?"

:)

KPC

From: Will
28-Aug-18
Who knows. The economy is so, so different in terms of numbers of businesses and types of businesses compared to the Great Depression time frame... Hard to imagine everything would work the same way. The government safety nets are definitely used as well... See: "The Great Recession" as an example.

It feels to me, like the evolution in business types and possibilities may change how it impacts people. For example, if you work on one type of business or in a specific region, a new depression or recession could hurt you more than someone in another region or line of work. If you work in an industry that's teetering on extinction or marginalization, you are likely in more trouble than some one who does not.

Sure hope we dont have one... That's not something any of us need.

From: Pig Doc
28-Aug-18
How ironic - on the day the stock market hits the highest level in history there are people hand wringing about a depression. Wow.

From: gflight
28-Aug-18
NAFTA by another name is not my idea of trade dealing. Did the farmers get their bailout today?

From: Pig Doc
28-Aug-18
What's your solution genius?

From: BIGHORN
28-Aug-18
The only way to balance a budget is to stop spending so dang much. Unfortunately, Trump had to spend a bunch to build our military back up due to Obama cutting military budgets and spending on the slackers in our country.

From: gflight
28-Aug-18
Hold out like he promised. Make them pay for the wall as promised. This guy is all smoke no fire.

From: slade
28-Aug-18
""All smoke no fire"" This coming from the rabid paulbot who supported the greatest do nothing who ever ran for office.

28-Aug-18
Obama a “do nothing?” How do you think we avoided the largest recession and housing market crash since the Great Depression. Did you think people forgot about that or were you hoping so?

28-Aug-18

From: JTV
28-Aug-18

JTV's Link
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2017-10-02/former-president-barack-obamas-real-economic-record-isnt-pretty

From: JTV
28-Aug-18

JTV's Link
Thank god we got Trump in there... Obamas economic policies were a disaster and Clinton would have continued the drag under.... There is now more than enough proof to show Trumps policies are working, albeit, there is still work to be done .. ...

https://observernew.blogspot.com/2018/06/yes-trumps-policies-are-working.html#.W4XdmvZFzIU

From: JTV
28-Aug-18

JTV's Link
face the facts PutZ ..

https://nypost.com/2017/04/01/obama-was-terrible-for-economic-growth/

From: bigeasygator
28-Aug-18
We’re not near depression, but I do question whether our economic levels (be they employment, prices, GDP growth) are sustainable. We’ve been riding on a six to seven year recovery and I don’t see much headroom. We’re at full employment, enacting protectionist trade policies, the Fed is anxious to raise rates, etc. In other words, I see some headwind and a potential correction because of this...but unless we have some kind of crisis (which no one ever predicts), we’re nowhere near recession or depression.

28-Aug-18
Obama was real good for Iran’s economy.

From: Pig Doc
28-Aug-18
"Hold out like he promised. Make them pay for the wall as promised. This guy is all smoke no fire."

What does the wall have to do with a depression? Nothing. The cost of building the wall is less than 1% of the budget and the budget has little to do with a potential depression. Any other brilliant ideas? I didn't think so...

From: gflight
29-Aug-18
What does a 4 month old thread have to do with today? You the thread police?

29-Aug-18
"Having said that, I can't help but ask what a "muzzy swine" like El Eriam could possibly know about the American economy, and even if he did, why should we trust him? How do we know that he's not just engaging in "Taqiyya," and this isn't all just an elaborate plot to make America fail so the "goat humpers" can complete the caliphate, implement Sharia law, and make the entire country a "no-go zone?""

ROTFLMAO!!!

From: Grey Ghost
29-Aug-18
“Be fearful when others are greedy.....”

Matt

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