Spike Bull 's Link
“Kent State remains a glaring example of government impunity, it sends a message that protestors can be killed by the state for expressing their political beliefs. This lack of accountability and hostility towards peaceful expression flies in the face not only of our Constitution, but also our international human rights commitments.”
Own guns, spare parts, and BMB.
Films I watched the protesters were throwing rocks, bottles, bricks and setting fires, and looting. Not exactly a real peaceful non-violent protest as portrayed by the left.
"The most well known protest involving the Vietnam War occurred at Kent State University in Ohio in May 1970. Kent State students held an anti-war protest. That evening several incidents occurred, including rocks and bottles being thrown at police officers and the lighting of bonfires. Students, other anti-war activists, and common criminals began to break windows and loot. "
"The Soviet Union wisely spent more money on funding of U.S. anti-war movements during the Vietnam War than on funding and arming the VietCong forces.--- Stanislav Lunev, highest ranking GRU officer to defect from the USSR"
Imagine how they will treat us after they have taken away all our firearms and we have no recourse other than rocks and bottles?
We will be just like those protesting the rigged elections in Russia, or Iran, or Venezuela.....
MT in MO's Link
If I remember my history correctly that is exactly what John Adams argued in their defense...and the redcoats were found not guilty of murder...by a jury of continentals...
Link has more details, but I didn't have time to read it all...
Know something true about the facts before passing judgement.
Hey Spike, if burning down ROTC buildings, throwing bricks, rocks, and bottles at firefighters and Natl Guardsmen is what you consider "peaceful expression" you're as nutty as Big Bear says you are!
Squash, nice to here you're still not only anti law enforcement but anti servicemen. The troops were ordered to fire after a shot, fire cracker, ect went off. This was while ROTC building was still smoldering! Guess you think the guardsmen should just wade into a mass protest and maybe wrestle the protesters to ground and no one would get hurt?
Just like MK111 says... "Know something true about the facts before passing judgement".
Maybe you have seen this quote:
"If they treat the citizens that badly while we are armed to the teeth imagine how they will treat us once we are disarmed."
What lead up to the Kent Shootings was four days of civil unrest. There had been unrest in the months leading up to this. The governor declared a state of emergency after the first day when the local authorities had lost control and the Natl Guard was activated. Beside some of the local businesses and parts of the campus being vandalized the ROTC building was set on fire. Firefighters and police had rocks and bricks thrown at them. Two days later, there were 77 guardsmen attempting to disperse an estimated crowd of 2,000 with tear gas. Sometime during all this, the guard thought they were being fired upon. The order was give to shoot but even then only a small portion of the men fired their weapons. This was very unfortunate. I feel once the protest became violent and those participants choose to stay, after being ask numerous times to disperse THEY were responsible for the outcome.
Instead of me making a smart ass comment, I'll just ask what course of action you would've taken in that setting?
You own every action as well as the consequence of every action that takes place within and under your command...those that do not understand that ownership are unfit. Blaming the individual guardsmen is like blaming their rifles.
I do despise the protestors though I defend their right to protest.
The deaths and injuries can be laid directly at the feet of the lawless protesters. Sadly, two of the dead had nothing whatsoever to do with the protest, they were just walking to class.
I understand what you are saying but I guess it depends on how you look at it. Had the students not been engaged in an unlawful protest, the national guard would have never been called and nobody would have ever been killed. Those people are dead as a direct result of a conscious decision made by the student "protesters" (aka criminals) to engage in criminal activity.