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Thumper 12-May-18
JTV 12-May-18
Annony Mouse 12-May-18
bowbender77 12-May-18
Woods Walker 12-May-18
GSX 12-May-18
Woods Walker 12-May-18
Bentstick81 12-May-18
Solo 12-May-18
Shuteye 13-May-18
Lever Action 13-May-18
JTV 13-May-18
K Cummings 13-May-18
JTV 13-May-18
Bentstick81 13-May-18
Bentstick81 13-May-18
K Cummings 13-May-18
Trax 13-May-18
JL 13-May-18
K Cummings 13-May-18
JTV 13-May-18
Glunt@work 13-May-18
Bowfreak 13-May-18
Will 13-May-18
K Cummings 13-May-18
Pig Doc 13-May-18
Trax 13-May-18
Will 13-May-18
Trax 14-May-18
Spike Bull 14-May-18
slade 15-May-18
From: Thumper
12-May-18
That during the election said Trump wasn't really a conservative but a liberal?

From: JTV
12-May-18
Putz/Lefty/GString/Jimbo, etc. are hangin around I'm sure... they have to be very embarrassed by now I would think... or just plain stupid .. or both

From: Annony Mouse
12-May-18
Sorry, Thump/Jeff...he's neither. He's a pragmatist. Identifies problems and provides a solution. Think the American voters are just tired of politicians of either ilk whose record is one of talking, but never delivering. The proREgressive left and the #neverTrumper GOP are being shown to be the embarrassing fools. And the voters have been rewarded with a President who is delivering on his promises...a rarity among the political class.

From: bowbender77
12-May-18
x2 Mouse

From: Woods Walker
12-May-18
X3

From: GSX
12-May-18
Make America great again!!!!

From: Woods Walker
12-May-18
" Think the American voters are just tired of politicians of either ilk whose record is one of talking, but never delivering."

You are SOOO right on that one!

From: Bentstick81
12-May-18
Mouse. Good post

From: Solo
12-May-18
Yep... Jack captured it. Trump's simply a pragmatist. No better way to compliment a man than concluding he's a real doer instead of just being another talker.

I love this guy, Trump. He's a lot like me. Or, maybe I'm more like him. What an honor either way....

Sure is nice that nobody is accusing me of crap I ain't done on a nationwide venue... That'd be a distinction betwixt the two of us.......

From: Shuteye
13-May-18
Mouse is correct and Trump is exactly what this country needs.

From: Lever Action
13-May-18
Anyone who knew Trump over the last 40 years, knew that Trump was/is Democrat leaning. The reason people dont know that is because they are either, not from NY nor pay attention to the news OR They dont know what a Democrat is or believe the Liberals who stole the Democratic party, are actually Democrats.

Trump just looks like a conservative because the left is so Progressive today. Like Regan, Trump is a Democrat who watched his party leave him.

From: JTV
13-May-18

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There is nothing that Trump has done that has a Democrat lean to it... the f'n Dems and the FNM/MSM are up in arms over all that Trump has done... he's got the POS Dems panties in a wad.... WINNING !! .........http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/13/trump-triumphs-on-north-korea-stands-strong-on-iran-but-media-attacks-continue.html

13-May-18
Hmm, I recall a candidate that said we shouldnt have a president thats under investigation, so vote for him? I recall a candidate that accused his opponent of Pay for Play, and then discovered his personal attorney was selling access to him. I recall a candidate that claimed using a private server was inappropriate and then he began using his own personal phone to tweet I recall a candidate that claimed the moral high ground and then we find out he had several affairs and then paid them off to keep quiet. I recall a candidate that complained the deficit is too high and will never be paid off, then he exploded it by a trillion dollars with a tax break for the top 1% I recall a candidate that promised to bring back coal jobs and manufacturing jobs, then he keeps his clothing factories over there and no coal jobs come back. But hey, if you're proud of that, good on you!

From: K Cummings
13-May-18
"Anyone who knew Trump over the last 40 years, knew that Trump was/is Democrat leaning.

I used to feel the same way, and was quite vocal about it during the primary. Since he has been elected, he has not really governed that way, which leads me to believe that even his left leanings in NY were simply a matter of doing what he needed to do to get things done in the environment that he lived in (i.e. a pragmatist).

"There is nothing that Trump has done that has a Democrat lean to it..."

This is false. If you do nothing more than follow the posts here on the CF, Trump has successfully managed to anger the right on a number of occasions...and from an ideological standpoint, rightfully so.

I would go one step further and add populist to the mix. In my mind, Trump is a pragmatic populist.

KPC

From: JTV
13-May-18
There will NEVER be a perfect POTUS that will make every conservatvie happy ... if he can get 70-80% of his agenda accomplished, that is doing good.... Trump would do even better if we didnt have such a screwed up congress and the FNM/MSM is that is so left leaning....... There is no one Repub. that ran against Trump that could have done what he has.... Obama was a disaster, and Clinton would have been worse ..... despise Trumps few short comings, I'm glad he's in there...

BTW... PISS OFF PutZ !! ... go play with yourself on a major interstate ....

From: Bentstick81
13-May-18
WOW! y f IMposter. Sounds like YOUR life story if you would run. Can't wait for your next reply, so you can hang yourself and PROVE to everyone here the DUMBA$$ you are. Like i said, every time you try to discredit Trump, you describe yourself. YOU make Trump look like a saint. PRICELESS!!! 8^)))

From: Bentstick81
13-May-18
y f IMposter. Hmmm, I remember YOU saying we need GUN LAWS to make our students safer. How come you can't give us that GUN LAW? You said you would leave the CF if Trump won POTUS. Why are you still here?? Just about every reply you put on here are LIES. Why do you LIE on here? You LIE about your registrations. Why do you do that? The list could go on and on and on. Yep, you are soooo much better than Trump, Right??? I would trust Trump, 100 times more than i would you, the LYING, PHONY, FRAUD. 8^)))

From: K Cummings
13-May-18
"There will NEVER be a perfect POTUS that will make every conservatvie happy ... if he can get 70-80% of his agenda accomplished, that is doing good...."

I agree, but to say "There is nothing that Trump has done that has a Democrat lean to it..." is simply not true. Credibility is lost when we aren't honest with ourselves and others.

KPC

From: Trax
13-May-18
President Trump is obviously on the good road of becoming one of the great presidents of all time. In contrast with Parasite OBOZO being one of the very worst, and an America hating race pimp to boot.

President Trump is indeed a pragmatist, but most of his moves conservative. That’s why he’s rated the most conservative President in modern times, more so than Ronald Reagan. That according to the ACU and Heritage Foundation.

From: JL
13-May-18

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Maybe a voice of reason....Ronaldus Magnus.

From: K Cummings
13-May-18
Good post Trax.

We'll see what Trump does as time goes on...especially if he gets a second term. Even "conservative" presidents tend to get more liberal as time goes on, owing more people more things, and eventually thinking about their legacy and wanting more to be liked than governing based on what got them elected.

I think Trump has a real chance of not succumbing to the first trap, as he doesn't owe anyone much of anything but the second trap (wanting to be liked) might be a problem for him.

I hope and pray he remains relatively immune to the political trappings that are Washington, and prove to gobble so many up.

KPC

From: JTV
13-May-18
KPC, I hope you are correct on that ... lets hope Trump stays true to himself and the country ... sure, he'll make mistakes on the way, but for what he has done so far he will be a notable POTUS thats for sure .. I give him a A- for now ..

From: Glunt@work
13-May-18
After the previous 8 years, it wouldn't have taken much to be an improvement. Luckily for America, we have done better than just improve. Speaking of pragmatism, I know I will never get the kind of President and Congress that fits my ideal set-up. I'll take gaining some yards in the right direction.

From: Bowfreak
13-May-18
I agree Trump is pragmatic and a populist.

If he changed to a Democrat tomorrow but presided the same way he'd still get my vote.

From: Will
13-May-18
At the risk of getting torched... if a left leaner (admittedly, that's me, a registered independent) laid a good point on here or noted they didn't like something President Trump was doing or did, they would be torched in a nano second. What would the point be?

Regarding President Trump, I am not a fan of how he leads or his communication style. Not a fan of his environmental policy approach to this point. Not convinced that the tax plan (though it should nicely benefit me the next few years financially) will work long term, at least not enough to off set the debt end of things. I could go on... But Ill get crushed enough for those points.

Now, the NK thing... Lets see how this shakes out. Did he do something perfectly, or did the North Korean's actually play him like a fiddle? Sure appears like it's going a good direction right now, fingers crossed it stay's that way. If he pulled it off, and a year from now things are progressing positively on the Korean Peninsula Ill feel better. 2 years and it's still going, cool. Ill be taking that into consideration as I enter the voting booth.

People arguing President Obama or President Trump are "greatest ever" level presidents, to me, are suffering from "what I see now I believe" thinking. It's like a 14 year old today being 100% sure LeBron is better than MJ. I mean, we have had presidents lead us out of the great depression, through WWII, through the civil war, etc. Heck, President Regan working to end the cold war - Whoa! I remember watching the video of the wall coming down and people reaching across the line... A HUGE (pun not intended) moment in world history!

Are either of them (President Obama or Trump) Calvin Coolidge? You guys would say President Obama. I wouldn't. I'm not ready to put President Trump there, or near the top either...

From: K Cummings
13-May-18
"Not convinced that the tax plan (though it should nicely benefit me the next few years financially) will work long term, at least not enough to off set the debt end of things."

Sorry Will but that is a red herring. The debt has more to do with expenditures than revenue. If the federal government collects 3 trillion dollars in revenue and spends 4 trillion, collecting 5 trillion and spending 6 trillion won't help.

Let's not kid ourselves. Nothing, repeat NOTHING will change unless and until we stop spending more than we collect. How much we collect has never been the issue.

I have clients that never made more than 50k per year and yet they have retired millionaires. I also have clients that make ten times that amount or more and can't stay ahead of their bills.

It's really not that difficult.

KPC

From: Pig Doc
13-May-18
Obama had 8 years and accomplished nothing unless you are in favor of running up $8 trillion in debt. And if you think Hillary would have been a better president than Trump you have some serious mental issues.

From: Trax
13-May-18
Does being a “registered” Independent make you left leaning? Your naivety is apparent. I am an Independent, and I can assure you I am not left leaning.

His communication style is rough and seemingly amateuristic. It is also authentic, refreshing, and extremely effective. I love his environmental common sense approach to policy. The tax cut was needed, although not quite big enough. It also should have been combined with major spending cuts, but not all is under the president’s control. We’ve risked nothing in North Korea. Their dictator has risked everything. President Trump has gotten farther than any president in history in terms of the Korean Pennisula. It certainly looks like a major accomplishment is at hand. We will know soon. Now explain it to us how in any way we could have been played like a fiddle? The fat little gargoyle Un had two choices. To live and enjoy guaranteed peace with trade agreements and a new relationship with not only the USA but all the world. Or die. You mention Calvin Coolidge. With obvious complete ignorance. Reagan kept a portrait of Coolidge in the Oval Office for good reason. We only have a bit more than one year with President Trump. What I said is based on that one year, so far, he is on the path of greatness. He certainly is.

From: Will
13-May-18
KPC not disagreeing there.

At the most basic point, that's certainly true. We have to spend less. In an organization as massive as the government accomplishing that is a lot more complex than at the home or business level. How does that change the equation? The time course it works across? The input? The output? I'm confident you know more about the financials than I do. That's a serious question above! When you consider the breadth of government, how do the ripples of financial decisions move? Compared to a home or business, the layers upon layers of systems and functions seems complicated enough that it would not function in quite the same way... and that simply changing the math may "work" mathematically in the shortest time span, but is it the best way for the complex system to function? At it's best for the people it serves? I do not know!???

Makes me think of that Einstein quote, paraphrasing, "make things as simple as they should be, but no simpler."

Apologies in advance, about to shut my phone and may not be online for a day. So I'll be slow in response.

From: Trax
14-May-18
The new embassy in Jerusalem is officially opened with ceremonies today. Just one of many moves that others before President Trump promised but failed to deliver on.

The Heritage Foundation right after the presidential election comprised a list of over 300 things a president would do if he were truly a conservative. President Trump in a little over one year has accomplished over 60% of them. He is a pragmatist no doubt, but leads with conservatism.

14-May-18
Anony and Trax, X 2!!

While no where near as likeable a personality as Regan, Trump is doing many of the things we have asked for over the last decade plus things we didn't know enough to ask for.

Certainly you can call him a pragmatist, a populist also, if you wish, but I will call him effective!

And, for the record, I am registered as an independent because the Repugs and Demons are both way too far left for me.

From: slade
15-May-18

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