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KSflatlander 04-Jun-18
AT Halley 04-Jun-18
Glunt@work 04-Jun-18
Pig Doc 04-Jun-18
tinecounter 04-Jun-18
KSflatlander 04-Jun-18
Michael 04-Jun-18
JTV 04-Jun-18
Mike the Carpenter 04-Jun-18
K Cummings 04-Jun-18
sleepyhunter 04-Jun-18
'Ike' (Phone) 04-Jun-18
Buckiller 04-Jun-18
Solo 04-Jun-18
Pig Doc 04-Jun-18
Trax 04-Jun-18
South Farm 04-Jun-18
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Grey Ghost 04-Jun-18
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Pig Doc 04-Jun-18
JTV 04-Jun-18
Shuteye 04-Jun-18
Mike the Carpenter 05-Jun-18
Will 05-Jun-18
Pig Doc 05-Jun-18
sleepyhunter 05-Jun-18
bigeasygator 05-Jun-18
MT in MO 05-Jun-18
South Farm 05-Jun-18
sleepyhunter 05-Jun-18
JTV 05-Jun-18
HDE 05-Jun-18
Bentstick81 05-Jun-18
KSflatlander 05-Jun-18
Michael 05-Jun-18
sleepyhunter 05-Jun-18
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JTV 05-Jun-18
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Mint 05-Jun-18
sleepyhunter 05-Jun-18
Pig Doc 05-Jun-18
Will 06-Jun-18
Grey Ghost 06-Jun-18
KSflatlander 06-Jun-18
Mint 07-Jun-18
Will 07-Jun-18
Grey Ghost 07-Jun-18
TD 07-Jun-18
From: KSflatlander
04-Jun-18
Trump is talking about pardoning himself and says he has the legal right. In my opinion this is dangerous talk. The President is not above the law. I do not think the intention of the constitutional frames to allow the president to pardon himself if he committed a crime. Trump is starting to talk like a king of a monarchy. Very dangerous talk in my book.

From: AT Halley
04-Jun-18
HA HA HA Trump is trolling the MSM

From: Glunt@work
04-Jun-18
Im not sure anyone is clear on whether or not that's legal. I do know that you can only pardon after an offense has been committed. It would sort of be an admission that an offense was committed.

From: Pig Doc
04-Jun-18
Some people are just too simple to understand the art of the deal.

From: tinecounter
04-Jun-18
Self pardon; I don’t know. But I agree with Glunt, a precharge or preconviction pardon would seem to “indicate” an offense. There is precedent; if you recall President Ford pardoned Nixon after Nixon resigned and before he was charged with any federal crime. Don’t believe there was any doubt of an offense.

From: KSflatlander
04-Jun-18
I get the “art if the deal.” Mask your decisions and rhetoric with stupidity.

From: Michael
04-Jun-18

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Is he really stating he himself believes he has that right?

He does ask the question why would he if he has done no wrong.

I agree with Pig Dic. This tweet has a purpose. It’s to get the left and the media talking about it. Trumps end game on this isn’t about him pardoning himself. What is the real reason?

From: JTV
04-Jun-18
done in jest, it is not something seriously he would even think about.. look at those already unhinged over this .... nothing like giving the MSM/FNM and fellow dupes ulcers on a Monday ..... Now, about that NK summit .....

04-Jun-18
Trumps way of letting Obama know he absolutely held the key to his own freedom, but he was to obtuse to understand it. Just another form of hidden communication and another way to get the left’s panties all bunched up.

From: K Cummings
04-Jun-18
I'm not sure who the better troll is, Trump or Atheist.

The scale is obviously different, but everything they post gets the same reaction from the same people.

KPC

From: sleepyhunter
04-Jun-18
Trump merely poking fun at the left and doing a wonderful job of it.

04-Jun-18
^^^ This...

From: Buckiller
04-Jun-18
It is just talk to rile up the libs and the MSM before the IG report comes out. Trump isn’t going to pardon himself.

From: Solo
04-Jun-18
Trial balloon designed to make a couple of points....

#1 - He's not guilty of any charges they're seeking to lay on him, and....

#2 - .....the democrats are wasting everyone's time & money, and are, in fact, obstructing justice in their own slimy & destructive ways.

From: Pig Doc
04-Jun-18
You are clueless KS. Trump has no intentions of pardoning himself and has said so. The stupidity exhibited here is suggesting otherwise.

From: Trax
04-Jun-18
Blind dumb sheep liberals are gullible enough to take the bait. Stack them up and knock them down!

From: South Farm
04-Jun-18
Pardon himself of what???

04-Jun-18
It is trolling the media, underlining the stupidity of the left, but most of all it is a message to Mueller! Trump just made the shot across Mueller's bow and Mueller will sink himself.

04-Jun-18
17 Million so far spent on all this BS! Demwits take the House, expect it to go from there...

From: Grey Ghost
04-Jun-18
I'm no legal scholar, but the idea that the POTUS is above the law doesn't sit well with me.

Since there's no legal precedence for this claim, I can't imagine Trump's motive for making it. Fortunately, the SCOTUS will have the final word if it comes to that.

Matt

04-Jun-18
In 1974 the DOJ said clearly that Nixon could not pardon himself.

The fact that we’re even discussing this should alarm people but hey, this is trumps america now.

From: bb
04-Jun-18
The fact that we have this DOJ and FBI should alarm more people...but hey...it's still Obamas swamp

From: Solo
04-Jun-18

From: K Cummings
04-Jun-18

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If you bother to break down what Trump tweeted, you will find that he is correct.

1. "As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute power to pardon myself..."

True statement. You or I may not agree, but numerous legal scholars have indeed stated that the POTUS has the power to pardon himself, and Trump apparently agrees. No different that those who agree with the legal scholars who are just as convinced that he doesn't have that power.

2. "...but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?"

Can't argue with that one either.

Doesn't say he's going to. Doesn't say he wants to. Doesn't say he should. Just the opposite actually.

Nothing more than attempt to get the media's shorts in a bunch...and it worked.

KPC

From: Pig Doc
04-Jun-18
The media, and a few dopes on the CF.

From: JTV
04-Jun-18

JTV's Link
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/06/04/mark-levin-mueller-cannot-indict-trump-and-questions-pardon-comments

From: Shuteye
04-Jun-18
The only way to get rid of Trump is impeach him and that won't happen.

05-Jun-18
Actually, the only way to get rid of Trump is elect someone else in 6.5 years.

From: Will
05-Jun-18
It hit's me reading this... If his prime mission with noting that, paraphrased, "scholars say I can pardon myself" is to flame up the "MSM" and Left... Isn't that intensely un-leader like? President Trump, whether you are excited about his work or not, is president to all of us.

As a leader, shouldn't you be trying to bring EVERY one forward? While I admit that I'm not a fan of his approach, or many of his policy choices... It's seems that if President Trump wants to make America Great Again, that he would want to do things which do NOT polarize people and camps further. Instead, it seems like every decision is about how to make all of us more ticked off.

Ill put it this way, if your kid played on a little league team, and was trying to make the a kid up to bat ON HIS OWN TEAM mess up or play poorly or look ridiculous would you be pumped up and think it was making the Post 218 Little League team better?

Hugely over simplified. I just cant understand the concept of a leader intentionally trying to push away or inflame a large portion of those they serve. That's not a deal making tool or productive in pretty much any way other than causing polarization and distrust.

From: Pig Doc
05-Jun-18
He won the election. Trump doesn't and shouldn't care if he ticks off some liberals. This is about getting things done, which he is doing in spades. You can't drain the swamp acting like a wimp in a high school popularity contest.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Jun-18
""Instead, it seems like every decision is about how to make all of us more ticked off. ""

I'm not ticked off. My 401K is doing great after 8 yrs of stagnation from the previous president. Military is rebuilding. Economy is improving. Jobs are plentiful. Wages are on the rise.

From: bigeasygator
05-Jun-18
Your 401k stagnated over the eight years prior to Trump being elected??? Seeing as the market returned about 147% over the eight years Obama was President, you might want someone else making your investment decisions!

From: MT in MO
05-Jun-18
"President Trump, whether you are excited about his work or not, is president to all of us."

You mean like Obama was everyone's prez except for those bitter clingers in fly over country?

From: South Farm
05-Jun-18
As long as he's getting libtards panties in a bind I'm satisfied with the job he's doing; the rest is just icing on the cake.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Jun-18
""Your 401k stagnated over the eight years prior to Trump being elected???""

Yes it did. Greatly improved.

From: JTV
05-Jun-18
Like Ive always said, a good day is when I piss off a lib... that still holds true... Trump enjoys messin' with the FNM/MSM... he has the platform to do so, and he STILL gets the job done he's been hired for.. why not have some fun .....

From: HDE
05-Jun-18
"Yes it did. Greatly improved."

My investments did just fine over the past 8 years, but doing even better now...

From: Bentstick81
05-Jun-18
" A good day is when I piss off a lib." X2. Just goes to show you that Trump is making sure the libs and media have something to chase. I don't care who likes me and what i stand for. Trump, i feel, is the same way. Trying to get this Ol Country back to it's feet, isn't going to be easy, especially when the libs want to RULE over it. Keep up the good work Trump. Who cares who LIKES him?

From: KSflatlander
05-Jun-18
If what constitutes a good day is pissing anyone off is a sad existence. Must be great campfire company.

Some here think they understand the underlying meaning in trumps words. He’s just playing the media like a fiddle. Be careful cause one day he might actually do exactly as he said.

Pig Doc- are you a Trump whisper as you say or are u a Trump stooge? It’s really hard to tell. You’re like that bully sidekick in the school yard. When the bully makes a mistake you jump in the and say “he meant to do that...all a part of the plan.” And I’m clueless right.

Yeah, Trump doesn’t care who likes him. That’s too funny... have you ever listen to his rally speeches? Narcissist overload.

From: Michael
05-Jun-18
I don’t think anyone on the CF could possible understand what it’s like to have the Media critizise you whether you do good or not. In the media’s eyes Trump was guilty before the investigation even began.

I can see plain as day why Trump is pissing them off deliberately.

As for pissing off people in General. Joe Rogan has an interesting take on it last Sunday on Ben Shapiros POD cast. You can’t be afraid of pissing people off. Your going to do it no matter what.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Jun-18
I read today Trump uninvited the Eagles to the White House. I saw some humor with the decision. It really pissed off leftist media and the Eagles players saying they wouldn't come to the White House.

From: buckhammer
05-Jun-18
Sleepyhunter........if your 401k was stagnant during President Obamas presidency you need a new investment advisor. The DJIA average was 7949.00 on his inauguration day in 2009 and closed at 19732.00 on his last day in office. Sorry you didn't take advantage of the great run like the rest of us did.

From: JTV
05-Jun-18
Get over yourself KS, most here know your a half assed lib anyways ..... Liberals are the bain of this great country... their attempt to destroy it dosnt fly in my book... if you havnt realized by now, I despise liberals and cant stand most Dems... I want this great country to succeed, liberals dont, or at least not in a form that keeps it great.. ..

From: Bentstick81
05-Jun-18
You can always tell when a LIB gets pi$$ed. Comical. 8^)

From: Mint
05-Jun-18
The answer is the Constitution. Trump has the power to pardon himself but the Justice Dept. has the precedent that they will not indict a President while he is serving. Pres Trump can be impeached by the House and then the Senate can vote to convict him.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Jun-18
"" Sorry you didn't take advantage of the great run like the rest of us did. ""

My 401K is fine. It's been productive for the last 30 yrs. It's really been productive since Trump took office. Obama didn't help the economy. He burdened it. That's over now thank goodness.

From: Pig Doc
05-Jun-18
"Pig Doc- are you a Trump whisper as you say or are u a Trump stooge?"

Neither. You don't have to be too bright to look at what Trump actually said, what Giuliani said in follow up, and what the political consequences of a POTUS actually pardoning himself would be to realize that it was nothing but posturing. Only dopes and the MSM took it as a threat.

"You’re like that bully sidekick in the school yard."

Nope. I was the guy beating up the bully.

From: Will
06-Jun-18
I know it's not the only marker of the economy, perhaps it's not even a good one... but for the stock market to go roughly 7.5 to 19.7K seems a pretty good bit of progression. Maybe it could be 30K if he'd just let it rip vs "burden it".

I consider myself conservative on some issues and liberal on others, a centrist really. I just do not get the idea that liberals / conservatives are bad simply because they associate with a given line of thought. That seems like it misses reality on a lot of levels. Now, sociopath... I'm cool with that being bad :).. Some things just are bad, I get that. But thinking liberally or conservatively... I dont get "bad" from those. Just different.

Ill go back to my earlier post though, ticking off a group of people is not a leadership move. I'm not sure what it is, but it's not being a leader. Yes, a leader will make decisions that some under them do not agree with. Those folks may be pissed off about the decision for sure. That is far different from "trolling" them. PZ get's railed daily for trolling on here, but it's totally cool for President Trump or any "conservative" to troll the MSM or a Liberal or all Liberals etc any time? It's an interesting consideration.

From: Grey Ghost
06-Jun-18
....."but for the stock market to go roughly 7.5 to 19.7K seems a pretty good bit of progression."

Not really, considering over half of that run was just getting back to pre-2008 crash levels, which took over 5 years. In reality, most 401Ks saw weak growth, overall, during Obama's term, relative to their pre-Obama highs.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
06-Jun-18
Get over myself...lol. Your the one who is absolute and making generalizations.

On somethings I’m liberal on others I’m conservation. I judge individuals based on my experience with them. I have many friends that I don’t agree with politically but that doesn’t mean they are bad people. Most of my family are conservatives. Your generalizations show your intellectual immaturity. JTV...I’m sure if we met face to face for a beer we could find something in common right. Because I have social liberal leanings am I your enemy?

If Trump is just playing the media then I don’t think is a smart play. What’s the end game? If you have lied then it will catch up to you in the end. Mom drilled that into my head. I would never exchange my honor for a job or at the expense of my family. Based on what I have seen of Trump I just don’t get the impression he’s an honest person with the country’s best interest in mind. That doesn’t mean I’m a never trumper. I hope I’m wrong and trump is successful. I agree his media coverage is mostly negative but he’s not blameless. Never a good idea the ask a pornstar to keep a secret. I feel bad for his wife and young son.

This talk of pardoning himself is detrimental to the American core regardless of whether he truly means it or not. And nobody but trump knows his true intentions regardless.

From: Mint
07-Jun-18
The problem with the market during Obama's term is that the Fed printed money under Quantitative Easing 1, 2, & 3 which raised the market and not actual gains in the value of the market. Sure there was some growth after the credit crisis but not like it should have been if we had a strong economy.

From: Will
07-Jun-18
So, if you take the 10 months post the "great recession" the market went up from 6500~ by 61% under Obama. Going from about 7.5K to 19.5K~ over his term seems very solid.

Policy's certainly can become smoke and mirrors, but one could very easily make a claim that the work of the previous administration set the stage for gains to continue. Certainly, President Trump's policy choices may impact the continued rate of change or performance in general of the market. The teetering economy from President Bush into Obama was more than just an american thing, it was international. President Obama's administration was in the white house 8 years and during that time the markets grew tremendously, at least in terms of the "score" so to speak. That's continued with President Trump. You could make the case, and it pains me to say this, that "both" are doing a good job for one's portfolio. If President Trump is still there in 6 years we will have a good comparison.

Going back to the OPs title though, about president's self pardoning. It may or may not be legal, but tweeting about it just looks ridiculous and seems a strange decision to make.

From: Grey Ghost
07-Jun-18
"Going from about 7.5K to 19.5K~ over his term seems very solid."

From 7.5K, the markets had no where to go but up. 401Ks didn't see any overall growth until it reached 14K sometime in 2013. And, as Mint pointed out, that was mostly due to printing money, not actual gains.

Matt

From: TD
07-Jun-18
AND part of the problem with the printed money is it didn't go into "shovel ready jobs" as they now admit was another outright lie....... much if not most of it went to states who's pension programs were tanking and companies such as GM and Solyndra that was pouring money down a hole.

I remember at the time statements to the effect "it doesn't matter how the money gets out into the economy.... we could drop it out of airplanes and it would be the same..." Not true IMO. Money is a tool to accomplish things. Very much matters how and why it is spent as when it is spent on airports and highways and harbors, etc. there are tangible assets after the money is spent as well as it getting into the overall economy. Handing money out has not tangible public benefit, but only personal benefits to those it is handed out for doing essentially nothing.....

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